SHERIDAN

[wee john]

I have been saying it for months, this guy is not good enough, how many have changed you minds?
i reckon he gave the ball away at least 10 times today and also never crerated anything he whole match.
JUST THE NORM AS FAR A I CAN SEE.

WHERE ARE YOUR MOM NOW.
nowhere, same as him.

we need a creative midfield player in his position, open yer eyes!

[ST GAZ]

this guy is not good enough

I think he is good enough for us however only as a defensive midfield player and really should need that for maybe 8 to 10 games a season.

never crerated anything he whole match.


totally agree this guy is not creative, why does he need to take all the free kicks and corners ?

He's pish at them :x

Yesterday every corner on saints right went into the six yard box and the left side went to the penalty box, no variation whatsoever, the opposition knew exactly where the ball was going every time.We don't need to try and hit James every time ,why cant someone else take them ? every free kick / corner is a stupid wee floaty ball .

We are the best footballing in the division that there no doubt however we are the most predictable side in our play and every team knows how to frustrate us and i'm afraid that is largely down to Mr Sheridan inability to create anything!

:x

[mainstand]

IMHO Sheridan has been the player of the year so far.

breaks up play starts it gets players going overall a player we could not have done without.

STGAZ have you never thought that with the beanpole in teh box you should be floating in a cross for him to try and get his head on to it, as for being predicatble i think we had 3 freekicks today where he tried short balls or wee chips into the are etc.

Someone said this before but I think the role that he plays at Saints is very similar to teh one played by Lennon at Celtic and dare I say it Riley at Saints last year.

Without SHeridan in the team we woudl be a lot worse off than we are at present.

[Broggy Man]

I have been saying it for months, this guy is not good enough, how many have changed you minds?
i reckon he gave the ball away at least 10 times today and also never crerated anything he whole match.
JUST THE NORM AS FAR A I CAN SEE.

WHERE ARE YOUR MOM NOW.
nowhere, same as him.

we need a creative midfield player in his position, open yer eyes!

John you are being very unfair and judging by the time of your post you are drunk :***: I dont see it is sheridens job the creation is for his central partner along with Sheerin (wizard :?: only because he can make himself disappear for long periods of time) and Ive run of ideas Stevenson. We had yesterday more creation from Stanic than the rest of them put together. Sheriden does his job well and most of the time its due to the complete lack of movement that he has to go back.
so in short John :shock: :shock: open your eyes :shock: :shock:

[HeronAddict]

John you are being very unfair and judging by the time of your post you are drunk I dont see it is sheridens job the creation is for his central partner along with Sheerin (wizard only because he can make himself disappear for long periods of time) and Ive run of ideas Stevenson. We had yesterday more creation from Stanic than the rest of them put together. Sheriden does his job well and most of the time its due to the complete lack of movement that he has to go back.
so in short John open your eyes

Spot on, Sheridan's job isn't to create, its to play as an anchoring midfielder, break up oppostion attacks and put tackles in, a role I think he's been brilliant in. Because of the general lack of creativity in the midfield, he's had to try and become a playmaker as well, but that just isn't his game. That's why we need a creative central midfielder to play alongside him (not instead of him) and personally if you were going to criticise anyone from the midfield yesterday it would be Stevenson. Sheerin had a decent game I thought, but as always Stevenson hardly touched the ball after half-time.

Also the point that he shouldn't take the set pieces is totally wrong. Ok we could probably do with more variation, but I assume hitting James is a pre-planned tactic, not something he chooses to do. Sheridan's corners and free kicks almost always cause problems, and we've scored plenty of goals from them this season.

[Real Madrid]

At the moment Sheridan is the midfield

Apart from Stanic the only player who looked like he was trying at points yesterday

Yes it would be good is we had someone more creative in there with him

[gc7969]

Agree Sheridan is a defensive midfielder, nothing more. However the punt to James in the area is easliy cut out as has anyone ever seen James actually JUMP for a ball. He tends to try and lean into it or hold down his marker.

Sheridan has been a good player but his age is showing. He needs McManus, McInespie, Moon etc to come in and give him options rather than Cuthbert. There are better crossers of the ball and using several players during the game to take them would speed up the play and not let the opponents get set. i.e. Sheridan coming 60 yards to take a free kick or corner when Sheerin, if still visible on the pitch, Stanic etc could take it quickly.

[Chansey]

I have been saying it for months, this guy is not good enough, how many have changed you minds?
i reckon he gave the ball away at least 10 times today and also never crerated anything he whole match.
JUST THE NORM AS FAR A I CAN SEE.

WHERE ARE YOUR MOM NOW.
nowhere, same as him.

we need a creative midfield player in his position, open yer eyes!

What are you talking about man!?!?!? :shock: :? Sheridan has been by a country mile our best player of the season, you're picking up on the things he does wrong as he has got to do the jobs of our other 'midfielders' on many occasions. His work rate and enthusiasm should be picked up by the other players, and we might start going places again.....

[blueheaven]

I think Sheridan's been our best player this season by miles, although I agree that he had an off-game yesterday and did give the ball away quite a lot. I'd also point out, though, that when he did give away the ball he immediately chased after it in order to try to rectify his mistake. So, even when he's a bit off-form, he never hides or puts his head down and he carries on fighting.

Clearly the midfield's not right at the moment but I don't think Sheridan's the problem. We need a creative, attacking, energetic midfielder who can play further forward, and also some natural width. Neither of those two problems are Sheridan's department or his fault.

[Dev]

Now that this season is pretty much over we need to look at how we can improve for next season. In midfield we are going to need to carry out major surgery as I don't think any of our current midfielders should be retained for next season.

Sheerin, McCann, Stevenson and Janczyk are simply not good enough. They are all ineffective and are average footballers who will not get us out of this league. I suppose that in fairness we haven't seen a lot of Scrabble but what I have seen hasn't been particularly impressive. I've also heard that he is very, very lazy. So I'd probably punt him. Paul "Wizard" Sheerin is garbage. We need to get rid of this slow and lazy waste of space. He's playing better this season than last but he still doesn't do enough on a consistent basis. Two good games in a season isn't enough.

I think John Henry is a good player but his lack of fitness is a big problem. We have to stop signing players who are always going to be injured.

It looks like the Davester will be on his way very soon, so that's another midfielder gone. I don't know what the story with McAnespie is but will he be away soon too?

Darren Sheridan has been our best midfielder this season but he should not be retained for next season due to his age. I think he'll just be too old next season to play regularly. I think in the near future we'll also see something that we were warned about by Clyde fans - apparently he struggles for fitness in the second half of the season. It'll be interesting to see if this happens with us.

Don't think I've missed anyone out, so that leaves us in a bit of a mess in the summer. Hopefully we'll make a start on sorting things in January - we need to bring in someone better than what we have who will actually make a difference to the side long term. I suppose that's easier said than done. Remember the impact that Jenkinson and Sekerlioglu had when they arrived? That's what I want to see now. They came in at about this stage of the season with a view to winning the promotion the year after. I don't know where these players will come from but I hope Coyle has some sort of plan.

I'm 37.

[Cagey]

Dazza has been our best player all season. He has been a bit less effective in the past 2 games but that may because he is carrying an injury. If this is the case he should not be playing. This is also true about others in the team which rflects on Coyle for playing unfit players. We are supposed to have the biggest pool in the league. Indeed most of us thought it was too big a pool but we still kep playing unfit players.

[dave mc]

Not a lot to disagree with Dev,though i wouldn't form an opinion by "what i've heard",do think Janny is worth a run,once he's fit to see what he can do.Never thought Keyring it had first time round ,so won't change my opinion on that,the problem is,finding better players on our terms!

[chopper]

I think Sheridan has been less effective in the games where clubs are sitting in looking for a draw - ie Stranraer twice, Queen of the South away. This is because his job is to break up the attacks through the midfield, and if there is no midfield or big attacks from teams, then Sheridan is out the game as he goves us nothing going forward (in fact, Mark Reilly IMO was a better attacking midfielder than Sheridan :shock: ).

Against St.Mirren/Hamilton who are more likely to attack us, he comes through with big games - just nothing happens against Stranraer, Brechin, Queens or Airdrie!!!

[blueheaven]

(in fact, Mark Reilly IMO was a better attacking midfielder than Sheridan :shock: ).

Are you Starkers in disguise? :P

[Broon]

Sheridan is a good player defensively, its unfair to judge him going forward as he is a defensive midfielder. You dont see anyone saying Milnes rubbish because he cant fly an aeroplane - its not his job.

I still think we can create a decent midfield out of what we have at the club though. Scotland is out biggest goal threat but I still reckon we would be good with:

Milne Dobbie

Stanic Sheridan Stevenson Scotland

Fozzy James Ruti Mensing

Cuthbert


Stanic looks composed running at players and puts a good ball in - he is easily the best choice for left midfield. Scotland on the right will give us another player capable of running at full-backs. The middle of the park is weak but Stevenson will at least give us a bit of height. I would have no problems with McManus or Moon being given a shot. I missed the first few games of the season so I have no idea how good Jancyzk is.

[john1962]

Other than Stevenson I like that team. Please dont ask me who I would have in his place though.

[erchie]

david blunkett thinks the wee fellas a quality player ! :wink:

[wee john]

What part do people not understand?
He should not be in centre midfield if his job is not to create, drive forward, shoot.
You answer it yourselves by saying he is a defensive midfield player, his job is to break up play. It is really simple, drop him back.
Give us a football player in that important position.
As for having a couple of bad games :***:
he has been rotten for weeks.
Oh I forgot, he's been carrying an injury, good one.
As I said, where are your MOM for him now?
That was one of the answers put forward before.
Are his true colours now showing?

[wee john]

I think Sheridan has been less effective in the games where clubs are sitting in looking for a draw - ie Stranraer twice, Queen of the South away. This is because his job is to break up the attacks through the midfield, and if there is no midfield or big attacks from teams, then Sheridan is out the game as he goves us nothing going forward (in fact, Mark Reilly IMO was a better attacking midfielder than Sheridan :shock: ).


Chopper, exactly what I have been saying for months, he is no good to us when we are the dominant team.
But hey the sun shines oot his erse and we would be near relegated if it wasn't for him :P
The bit about Reilly is a bit OTT though :***:

[chopper]

The bit about Reilly is a bit OTT though :***:

It was nice to see Reilly getting involved in the red card of Docherty last night - something he must have taken from the Darren Sheridan book on midfield general play!!!

[wee john]

I have been saying it for months, this guy is not good enough, how many have changed you minds?
i reckon he gave the ball away at least 10 times today and also never crerated anything he whole match.
JUST THE NORM AS FAR A I CAN SEE.

WHERE ARE YOUR MOM NOW.
nowhere, same as him.

we need a creative midfield player in his position, open yer eyes!

John you are being very unfair and judging by the time of your post you are drunk :***: I dont see it is sheridens job the creation is for his central partner along with Sheerin (wizard :?: only because he can make himself disappear for long periods of time) and Ive run of ideas Stevenson. We had yesterday more creation from Stanic than the rest of them put together. Sheriden does his job well and most of the time its due to the complete lack of movement that he has to go back.
so in short John :shock: :shock: open your eyes :shock: :shock:

Aye yer right, I was drunk, but I have not been drunk for 3 months solid, still been sober enough to see Sheridan hold us back.

[Broggy Man]

Aye yer right, I was drunk, but I have not been drunk for 3 months solid, still been sober enough to see Sheridan hold us back.

John i can tell by your rosey cheecks and your big red nose every week :***: :***: :***: :***: :***: :***:

[wee john]

IMHO Someone said this before but I think the role that he plays at Saints is very similar to teh one played by Lennon at Celtic and dare I say it Riley at Saints last year.
.

Lennon plays deeper and Celtic do not rely on him creating, driving forward or shooting.
We need Sheridan to play behind a real football player.

[wee john]

[quote="Saint RoryWhat are you talking about man!?!?!? :shock: :? Sheridan has been by a country mile our best player of the season, you're picking up on the things he does wrong as he has got to do the jobs of our other 'midfielders' on many occasions. His work rate and enthusiasm should be picked up by the other players, and we might start going places again.....[/quote]

Rubbish, he has not been our best player by a country mile.
I'm picking up on things he does wrong because it happens all the time, that is no good to us.
Imagine someone picking up on things he's doing wrong :oops: god, what am I thinking, I'll just ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen.
His work rate is top notch, but that does not make him a good player, my work rate would be top notch too.

[wee john]

I think Sheridan's been our best player this season by miles, although I agree that he had an off-game yesterday and did give the ball away quite a lot. I'd also point out, though, that when he did give away the ball he immediately chased after it in order to try to rectify his mistake. So, even when he's a bit off-form, he never hides or puts his head down and he carries on fighting.

Clearly the midfield's not right at the moment but I don't think Sheridan's the problem. We need a creative, attacking, energetic midfielder who can play further forward, and also some natural width. Neither of those two problems are Sheridan's department or his fault.

So it is okay to give the ball away frequently as long as you fight to win it back?
"we need a creative, attacking, energetic midfield player who can play further forward"
spot on, but we cannot get that without Sheridan moving back and letting that player play in centre midfield.

[wee john]

Dazza has been our best player all season. He has been a bit less effective in the past 2 games but that may because he is carrying an injury. If this is the case he should not be playing.

Try the past 6/7 games

[wee john]

Sheridan is a good player defensively, its unfair to judge him going forward as he is a defensive midfielder. You dont see anyone saying Milnes rubbish because he cant fly an aeroplane - its not his job.


But he is in the centre of midfield and that position sees more of the ball than most players on the park, so his job is to drive forward, create moves but he just can't do it.
That is my whole point.

[wee john]

I've tried to back up most of the replies, hope I havn't missed anything.

For people to reply by saying he is a defensive midfield player, attacking is not his job, they are backing up my point, he should not be in there if that is the case. He should be deeper and we should have a central midfield player in front of him.
Let him win the balls in front of the defence and then he can give it to the midfield player in the centre to create and drive.

[wee john]

Aye yer right, I was drunk, but I have not been drunk for 3 months solid, still been sober enough to see Sheridan hold us back.

John i can tell by your rosey cheecks and your big red nose every week :***: :***: :***: :***: :***: :***:

Yer getting me mixed up wi Erchie :***:

[blueheaven]

I think Sheridan's been our best player this season by miles, although I agree that he had an off-game yesterday and did give the ball away quite a lot. I'd also point out, though, that when he did give away the ball he immediately chased after it in order to try to rectify his mistake. So, even when he's a bit off-form, he never hides or puts his head down and he carries on fighting.

Clearly the midfield's not right at the moment but I don't think Sheridan's the problem. We need a creative, attacking, energetic midfielder who can play further forward, and also some natural width. Neither of those two problems are Sheridan's department or his fault.

So it is okay to give the ball away frequently as long as you fight to win it back?
"we need a creative, attacking, energetic midfield player who can play further forward"
spot on, but we cannot get that without Sheridan moving back and letting that player play in centre midfield.

No, I don't think it's okay for him to give the ball away frequently - but I don't think he does it very often, and I was just trying to point out that, even when he has his poorer games, he doesn't shy away from his mistakes and he tries to rectify them. Every player makes mistakes from time to time, so I'd rather have a guy showing Sheridan's attitude when he makes them than someone who hides when in that situation. He hasn't been getting the MoMs lately because his form has dipped a little - I don't think anyone's denied that.

I do agree with you that we could try moving him back a bit, but surely if that's the main issue then the real problem you have is with the manager and his tactics, rather than the player himself?

[Saintkev]

Lennon plays deeper and Celtic do not rely on him creating, driving forward or shooting.
We need Sheridan to play behind a real football player.

Correct, but is it Sheridan's fault that we don't have that player so he has to try to perform this role too?! Don't think so!

[wee john]

Lennon plays deeper and Celtic do not rely on him creating, driving forward or shooting.
We need Sheridan to play behind a real football player.

Correct, but is it Sheridan's fault that we don't have that player so he has to try to perform this role too?! Don't think so!

Correct it is not his fault, never said it was, but just because it is not his fault does not hide the fact that he cannot do it and therefore playing the role he does is no good to us.
How hard is this to get thru?
Most people admit it, but do not see him as a problem :roll:

[erchie]

well stevie wonder still likes him ! got his mom award all season ! yah cheeky cnut !

[HeronAddict]

Most people admit it, but do not see him as a problem

That's because he isn't the problem! While I (kind of) understand the point you're trying to make, shouldn't your criticism be aimed more at Stevenson or Sheerin rather than Sheridan? Every successful team needs to have an anchoring midfielder - look at Makelele at Chelsea, Viera at Arsenal, Lennon at Celtic, even Millen or Reilly (eek!) at St. Mirren.

Sheridan performs this role brilliantly for me. He's very effective at breaking up opposition attacks, his passing is, despite your opinion, normally very accurate although he didn't have his best game on saturday, and his delivery from set pieces is excellent. Stevenson and Sheerin, who Sheridan does play deeper than from what I've seen, are supposed to be the creative influences in the team. Yet in my opinion they simply do not consistently contribute enough, which forces Sheridan to almost take on the role of two players.

It's therefore easy to criticise him whe he gives the ball away, but I think we'd be a much poorer team without him. At the moment I certainly don't see who else in the current squad we could put in to replace him, as you seem to be suggesting needs to be done, and if we get a quality playmaker in alongside him in the transfer window then hopefully we'll see him play the role he's supposed to play properly.

[chopper]

Every successful team needs to have an anchoring midfielder - look at Makelele at Chelsea, Viera at Arsenal, Lennon at Celtic, even Millen or Reilly (eek!) at St. Mirren.

That is true for games where clubs attack you - but against Queens, Stranraer, Brechin and Ross County this season he has been anonymous. The reason - he hasn't had attacks to break up so has had to adapt to a more attacking role, which is not his game. For me, he is great to have against St. Mirren, Hamilton and Clyde as they tend to attack us and gives him work in his proper role, although the lack of creativity throughout the team at the moment is noticeable and seems to have coincided from when Janczyk picked up his injury.

[blueheaven]

lack of creativity throughout the team at the moment is noticeable and seems to have coincided from when Janczyk picked up his injury.

I think that's a very good point. Janczyck, like all of our players, may have his faults, but one thing I do think he has that our other midfielders don't is the ability to pick out - and play - a through ball for the strikers. I'm sure he assisted quite a few chances (and maybe even goals) at the start of the season when he was playing.

[templeofsaints]

lack of creativity throughout the team at the moment is noticeable and seems to have coincided from when Janczyk picked up his injury.

I think that's a very good point. Janczyck, like all of our players, may have his faults, but one thing I do think he has that our other midfielders don't is the ability to picj out - and play - a through ball for the strikers. I'm sure he assisted quite a few chances (and maybe even goals) at the start of the season when he was playing.

True - the backheel for Dobbie at Hamilton springs to mind.

[Saintkev]

That is true for games where clubs attack you - but against Queens, Stranraer, Brechin and Ross County this season he has been anonymous. The reason - he hasn't had attacks to break up so has had to adapt to a more attacking role, which is not his game. For me, he is great to have against St. Mirren, Hamilton and Clyde as they tend to attack us and gives him work in his proper role, although the lack of creativity throughout the team at the moment is noticeable and seems to have coincided from when Janczyk picked up his injury.

Rubbish... Who ever attacks Celtic? They need a Lennon, Who attacks Arsenal etc etc...

A good attacking team still needs a Sheridan so that the rest of the midfield etc, can attack and rest-assured that someone is waiting to mop up any breakways behind them if required (hence the reason he seems quieter or if you are being overly harsh (Chopper) anonymous). Sheridan has been tremendous this season, we need a good creative midfielder, but that is not Sheridans fault and I'm impressed that he has tried to fill this role at times as nobody else is taking responsibility for it.

[McCallum]

Sheridan has been our best player this season. I can't believe someone can see him as 'just the norm'.

He has had a few bad games but on average he has been a quality player and his passing has been crisp. His work rate is brilliant and should set an example for the rest of the team, some of which are not pulling their weight. The fact his work rate is top notch does not make him a good player - true. However, IMO that doesnt matter if he's clearly already a good player.

I would think it's clear the likes of Stevenson, Sheerin, Ando....(the list goes on) have performed much worse than Sheridan this season. I'm sure there's many more MOM's coming Sheridan's way.

[MUZZ]

sheridan IS decent player in a more defensive role but in an attacking mode he cant cut it IMO.