Minutes silence or not??

[StevieC]

At Easter Road today the whole of the ground applauded for the duration of the minutes silence.

It was certainly more moving than having a minutes silence, which are often interrupted by late-comers or neds hell bent on spoiling them.

Should this replace a silence or should it be saved for players like George Best?

[Kevin]

At Easter Road today the whole of the ground applauded for the duration of the minutes silence.

It was certainly more moving than having a minutes silence, which are often interrupted by late-comers or neds hell bent on spoiling them.

Should this replace a silence or should it be saved for players like George Best?

It's hard enough to get the fans at McDiarmid to applaud as it is, let alone for a whole minute and for a player that the majority have never seen play :?

[Chansey]

This happened in the games down south aswell, strange as all the games had a minutes silence yesterday, yet today all had a minutes applause, anyone know why it was different today?

I do prefer the minutes applause in this situation though!

[pezza70]

They had a minutes applause at the sydney v adelaide game last night here

I think as long as their is a show of respect, then both are good.

As for the scum bag fans at the Man City v Liverpool game and their behaivour, they should be ashamend of themselves

Im sure if a legend of their club had passed on, they would be dirty if United fans bood and whistled during a minutes silence, it works both ways.

[Chansey]

should have heard the leeds utd fans.....they were singing " we hate man u, and we hate man u" all the way through it, useless twats!!

[blueheaven]

I've always thought it should be a minute's applause - it's a much more positive form of respect, it's impossible for individuals to ruin, and it means that those who don't wish to take part don't have to.

I do think though that, whether it's applause or silence that's being used, there's far too many of them nowadays. Personally I think there should only ever be one when it's someone directly related to the club. Without meaning any disrespect to George Best, I didn't really see any need to have a minute's silence for him at a St Johnstone v Stranraer game. He didn't play for either club, and if a Saints legend was to die I wouldn't expect Man United to hold a silence.

[Cagey]

Best was a football legend. The best footballer ever produced by the UK & it was entirely appropriate that we should have shown our respects.
Celtic opted for minutes applause for obvious reasons so I think a few followed.

[mapleleaf]

I agree that it doesn't matter what form it takes. We pay tribute to those who have enriched our lives, not just those who are locals.

George Best is worthy of tribute simply because he was one of the rare ones, one who could take the game to higher levels. I would stand in silence or I would put my hands together to show my appreciation for a sublime talent.

As for those who showed disrespect? Well, you get them anywhere, the kind who are so spiritually povery stricken that they cannot see past their own limitations. Look, rather, at the real fans of the game who, around Britain and around the world stood and were quiet or stood and applauded. Those are the real football fans and the real people. Eff the rest.

Smudge 8)

[wee john]

I've always thought it should be a minute's applause - it's a much more positive form of respect, it's impossible for individuals to ruin, and it means that those who don't wish to take part don't have to.

I do think though that, whether it's applause or silence that's being used, there's far too many of them nowadays. Personally I think there should only ever be one when it's someone directly related to the club. Without meaning any disrespect to George Best, I didn't really see any need to have a minute's silence for him at a St Johnstone v Stranraer game. He didn't play for either club, and if a Saints legend was to die I wouldn't expect Man United to hold a silence.

Totally agree 100%.
Saints were under pressure to have a minutes silence, otherwise we would not have had one.
Where does it end, Jinky Johnstone, Billy McNeil, Dalglish, Law......
Will all these clubs have a minute silence for players like that, who have arguably achieved more in the game than Best, and certainly done more for Scotland.

[StevieC]

This happened in the games down south aswell, strange as all the games had a minutes silence yesterday, yet today all had a minutes applause, anyone know why it was different today?

Today it was teams he'd actually played for .. Man Utd, Fulham and Hibs ... and they all won 2-1!!

[TheBigCheese]

I've always thought it should be a minute's applause - it's a much more positive form of respect, it's impossible for individuals to ruin, and it means that those who don't wish to take part don't have to.

I do think though that, whether it's applause or silence that's being used, there's far too many of them nowadays. Personally I think there should only ever be one when it's someone directly related to the club. Without meaning any disrespect to George Best, I didn't really see any need to have a minute's silence for him at a St Johnstone v Stranraer game. He didn't play for either club, and if a Saints legend was to die I wouldn't expect Man United to hold a silence.

Totally agree 100%.
Saints were under pressure to have a minutes silence, otherwise we would not have had one.
Where does it end, Jinky Johnstone, Billy McNeil, Dalglish, Law......
Will all these clubs have a minute silence for players like that, who have arguably achieved more in the game than Best, and certainly done more for Scotland.

I also agree. I seem to remeber Saints and Dunfermline getting slated by Hugh Keevins for not having a minutes silence for some former Celtic player who died about 5 years ago, I think he said something like "a Lisbon Lion had just died, what did they expect would happen?" The thing is the guy was nothing to do with either club and didn't even have a lot of Scotland caps; in situations like this there is no reason to have a minutes silence, we wouldn't expect Celtic to hold a minutes silence for any ex-Saints players.

[Kevin]

Saints were under pressure to have a minutes silence, otherwise we would not have had one.

Who put them under pressure? When I got to the stadium at 1.30 we wer enot going to have one but at 2.30 Stewart Duff came to the box and told me we were. Maybe they got a directive from the SFA or it was from the referee. Certainly nobody was 'pressuring" for the silence either on here or in the ground.

Be interested to hear your side of the story John......... :?

[StDuncM]

The minutes applause or silence should have been for the nurses and doctors who cared for Best during his illness/addiction. He was an alcoholic longer than he was the fantastic footballer everyone raves about.

That said, may he RiP.

[taylorboy69]

In all honesty, who agreed with their being a minute's silence at McD on saturday there?
I personally feel that is shouldn't have happened. My reasoning behind this is simple, he has no connection with our club.
i feel although he was an excellent player etc, i find it hard to accept that there was one. I respected the minutes silence but i could not help feeling that if Best was recognised with a minutes silence then the old war vetran from Black Watch who was 109 years old and from Perth when died (EG MORE CONNNECTION TO PERTH) is surely more deserving.
What next, Minutes Silence for Jean Rattray?
Comments?

Sorry Blueheaven :oops:

[Watty]

Big enough Avator TB69??

I think it pretty much down to personal opinion on the subject of the minutes silence, not as if it was something that could really be voted on before happening really.

[blueheaven]

Sorry Blueheaven :oops:

That's okay, but your avatar's too big! Can you choose a smaller one please? Cheers! :P

[taylorboy69]

no problem with avator - just like others!!

With regards to Minute Silence - I feel strongly that it should not have happened - was not too pleased when i discovered it was going ahead!!!!

[Saintkev]

Only clubs that a person represented should do it and it should be a minutes noise... Drew & Don mean something to me and they were great for this club. As people they, have been dealt a cruel hand in later life and they deserve to have their lives marked by those who want to.

Best had chances to correct his spiral, but didn't (I know it's not easy) and he means very little to me and therefore in my eyes is less worthy of it.

If we are forced to do it for 'legends', where do we draw the line, who deems who is a legend?

At a Saints game, we should have a minutes noise for a former representative of the club at the next home game after a death.

[TheBigCheese]

It seems daft that Saints had a minutes silence for George Best - a guy with no connection to the club who died as a consequence of his lifestyle - but failed to have one for Gary Thomson when he died in quite tragic circumstances.

[taylorboy69]

Here Here

Exactly what i am trying to say. Its a sad day when it happens for Best and not someone who donned the saints strip.

[wee john]

Saints were under pressure to have a minutes silence, otherwise we would not have had one.

Who put them under pressure? When I got to the stadium at 1.30 we wer enot going to have one but at 2.30 Stewart Duff came to the box and told me we were. Maybe they got a directive from the SFA or it was from the referee. Certainly nobody was 'pressuring" for the silence either on here or in the ground.

Be interested to hear your side of the story John......... :?

They were put under pressure by being asked to have a minutes silence.
I was informed that it was a phone call from the SFL/SFA late in the day that requested the silence.
Immediately Saints as a club are under pressure, damned if the do damned if they don't.

[Kevin]

Saints were under pressure to have a minutes silence, otherwise we would not have had one.

Who put them under pressure? When I got to the stadium at 1.30 we wer enot going to have one but at 2.30 Stewart Duff came to the box and told me we were. Maybe they got a directive from the SFA or it was from the referee. Certainly nobody was 'pressuring" for the silence either on here or in the ground.

Be interested to hear your side of the story John......... :?

They were put under pressure by being asked to have a minutes silence.
I was informed that it was a phone call from the SFL/SFA late in the day that requested the silence.
Immediately Saints as a club are under pressure, damned if the do damned if they don't.

I'm just glad it wan't an English player, eh John :***: :***: :***:

[wee john]

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I'm just glad it wan't an English player, eh John :***: :***: :***:

I would give any person a minutes respect, even the queen of e***and :***: , but IMHO there is a time and a place. I think in the past 3-4 years we have had more minute silences than we have had over the 40 years before that. That says alot about when it appropriate and when not.
I also believe that pressure is put on clubs/individuals to have these tributes and in 90% of the cases there would be no tributes at certain matches without the pressure of "will we or won't we", "they are so we will have to".
Princess Di was a perfect example where pressure from outside football postponed an International match againts the SFA's wishes.
Different altogther from the weekend but the same principal.

[wee john]

You can expect the SFA to announce in the near future that a minutes applause is preferred.

[blueheaven]

I also believe that pressure is put on clubs/individuals to have these tributes and in 90% of the cases there would be no tributes at certain matches without the pressure of "will we or won't we", "they are so we will have to".
Princess Di was a perfect example where pressure from outside football postponed an International match againts the SFA's wishes.
Different altogther from the weekend but the same principal.

Yup - I think that false grief is just a massive part of our culture these days. For some reason it's become fashionable for everyone to want to be seen to care whenever a high-profile person dies, even when it's someone they neither knew nor bothered about while they were alive. I'm not sure where it comes from, but I reckon the OTT general public reaction to Princess Diana's death does have a lot to do with it. It's something that really makes me cringe, but it's also something that's quite difficult to speak out about without just sounding like a heartless sod. I think it's a shame because we're now in a situation where, when a minute's silence comes along that we do all genuinely care about, it's going to be devalued by the fact that everyone will feel like they've had to stand through one every other week.

[chopper]

To give an idea over the silence/applause debate - Man Yoo have received numerous requests from their supporters clubs for both so they are having a silence tonight against the Baggies in the Carling Cup tie where fans of both sides will hold up pictures of him (hopefully the silence will last longer than a minute if the Albion have their way :) ) followed by a minutes noise on Saturday when they play Pompey in the league (that game being after the funeral on Saturday morning).

[TheBigCheese]

There was a thing in The Guardian yesterday about the origins of having a minutes applause in Italy. Apparently it started because people were embarassed by the constant disruption to minutes of silence so the fans began to clap to drown out any other noise. They are still officially a minutes silence.

[Finners]

i prefer clapping but the roar you get after a minutes silence must be encouraging for the players!

[saintsam90]

i prefer the mins applause to be quite honest i dont know why though 8)

[chopper]

In the wake of Drew Rutherford's passing and obviously noting that we will remember him when we play Ross County on Boxing Day - how should we remember him, with a minutes silence or minutes appreciation?

[Saintkev]

Appreciation of course!

[StDuncM]

A minute of cheering and handclapping is less likely to meet with derision by the opposition fans.

[wee john]

A minute of cheering and handclapping is less likely to meet with derision by the opposition fans.

A bit disrespectful to County fans Dunc M, they would never disrespect a minutes silence.

[StDuncM]

Sorry wee john, I was generalising and not being specific in this instance.

[wee john]

Sorry wee john, I was generalising and not being specific in this instance.

Got ya.
I did not realise you were speaking generally.
You are correct of course.

[taylorboy69]

Silence

[Tranmere Saintee]

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