Isnt it time........

[lethamsaintee]

we stood up for ourselves and let it be known that we are not happy at the way things are at saints right now.
for 5 years now the club has drifted further and further away from anywhere near good enough, how long is a transitional period?
we laugh at other teams for their finacial woes (livi, pars etc) but they are still in the spl and at least livi have won a national cup. something saints will NEVER do if we continue our slipslide.
it is time for geoff brown to leave the club and for someone else with fresh ideas to come in, i am reliably informed that the bloke who owns wisemans dairies was willing to put

[lethamsaintee]

half my rant has dissapeared!!

anyway the guy from wisemans was going to put 5 million into the club but brown told him where to go.
we had a chance to establish ourselves in the spl but brown chose not to pay the players who had got into europe any more and 1 by 1 they left the club, leading them to be replaced by inadequate players. we have been slipsliding for 5 years and we are not showing any signs of proggessing.
i feel sorry for coyle and believe with a decent boardroom he coulkd do well.
i love saints and have been a loyal fan for years but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

[MUZZ]

geoffs been good for us, i know lots disagree but we have had good times under him as well as bad and we shouldnt forget that. geoff is right to keep the finances tight to prevent us going into big debt. fair do's if someone wants to come in though.........

[Scobby_SJFC]

In what way are you suggesting ?

[lethamsaintee]

geoffs been good for us, i know lots disagree but we have had good times under him as well as bad and we shouldnt forget that. geoff is right to keep the finances tight to prevent us going into big debt. fair do's if someone wants to come in though.........

so you are happy for us to be a mediocre first division team til the ennd of all time?

[lethamsaintee]

In what way are you suggesting ?

we have to let brown know we are not happy at progression at the club and we expect changes, we just go with the flow too often.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Sad but thats what we are now MEDIOCORE

btw who the hell is our commercial director? they are not doing a good job !

[mainstand]

half my rant has dissapeared!!

anyway the guy from wisemans was going to put 5 million into the club but brown told him where to go.
we had a chance to establish ourselves in the spl but brown chose not to pay the players who had got into europe any more and 1 by 1 they left the club, leading them to be replaced by inadequate players. we have been slipsliding for 5 years and we are not showing any signs of proggessing.
i feel sorry for coyle and believe with a decent boardroom he coulkd do well.
i love saints and have been a loyal fan for years but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Are you sure about the Wiseman story. Geoff has already stated that the only offer he ever had was from a property developer and had his doubts about the reasoning behind it.

Neither of the wisemans are AFAIK even into football.

As for letting them know people aren't happy what do you want them to do?? for god sake give Coyle time!!!!!!!!!

[lethamsaintee]

half my rant has dissapeared!!

anyway the guy from wisemans was going to put 5 million into the club but brown told him where to go.
we had a chance to establish ourselves in the spl but brown chose not to pay the players who had got into europe any more and 1 by 1 they left the club, leading them to be replaced by inadequate players. we have been slipsliding for 5 years and we are not showing any signs of proggessing.
i feel sorry for coyle and believe with a decent boardroom he coulkd do well.
i love saints and have been a loyal fan for years but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Are you sure about the Wiseman story. Geoff has already stated that the only offer he ever had was from a property developer and had his doubts about the reasoning behind it.

Neither of the wisemans are AFAIK even into football.

As for letting them know people aren't happy what do you want them to do?? for god sake give Coyle time!!!!!!!!!

if you read my post its not coyle i have the issue with, its the board who i feel are now suffocating this club.

[mainstand]

Sad but thats what we are now MEDIOCORE

btw who the hell is our commercial director? they are not doing a good job !

Can I ask on waht basis you are saying this. I think that the commercial side is speaking for itself in that the profit made from it are supporting the CLub. We have a thriving conference centre, games all sponsored a major company sponsoring us and local companies sponsoring the youth set up and the Club mini bus. Other than pulling money out of thin air what is he not doing.

The commercial directors name etc is on the Club website.

[mainstand]

half my rant has dissapeared!!

anyway the guy from wisemans was going to put 5 million into the club but brown told him where to go.
we had a chance to establish ourselves in the spl but brown chose not to pay the players who had got into europe any more and 1 by 1 they left the club, leading them to be replaced by inadequate players. we have been slipsliding for 5 years and we are not showing any signs of proggessing.
i feel sorry for coyle and believe with a decent boardroom he coulkd do well.
i love saints and have been a loyal fan for years but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Are you sure about the Wiseman story. Geoff has already stated that the only offer he ever had was from a property developer and had his doubts about the reasoning behind it.

Neither of the wisemans are AFAIK even into football.

As for letting them know people aren't happy what do you want them to do?? for god sake give Coyle time!!!!!!!!!

if you read my post its not coyle i have the issue with, its the board who i feel are now suffocating this club.

They are certainly IMHO not doing that. What exactly do you want them to do?? Tell us!!

[lethamsaintee]

Sad but thats what we are now MEDIOCORE

btw who the hell is our commercial director? they are not doing a good job !

Can I ask on waht basis you are saying this. I think that the commercial side is speaking for itself in that the profit made from it are supporting the CLub. We have a thriving conference centre, games all sponsored a major company sponsoring us and local companies sponsoring the youth set up and the Club mini bus. Other than pulling money out of thin air what is he not doing.

The commercial directors name etc is on the Club website.

what about the away kit fiasco - a total joke.

and as for the mediocre bit - do you honestly believe we are any better than that?

[lethamsaintee]

half my rant has dissapeared!!

anyway the guy from wisemans was going to put 5 million into the club but brown told him where to go.
we had a chance to establish ourselves in the spl but brown chose not to pay the players who had got into europe any more and 1 by 1 they left the club, leading them to be replaced by inadequate players. we have been slipsliding for 5 years and we are not showing any signs of proggessing.
i feel sorry for coyle and believe with a decent boardroom he coulkd do well.
i love saints and have been a loyal fan for years but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Are you sure about the Wiseman story. Geoff has already stated that the only offer he ever had was from a property developer and had his doubts about the reasoning behind it.

Neither of the wisemans are AFAIK even into football.

As for letting them know people aren't happy what do you want them to do?? for god sake give Coyle time!!!!!!!!!

if you read my post its not coyle i have the issue with, its the board who i feel are now suffocating this club.

They are certainly IMHO not doing that. What exactly do you want them to do?? Tell us!!

realise that they have taken the club as far as it can go with them at the helm.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Well look at the crowd on saturday! Hardly promting the club now is it

Perth is a big place lots of people, Yet somehow we dont attract. We should be out there getting the fans throught the gate. Also whatsthe shop about DOSENT even accept visa or switch.

Well Done !

[mainstand]

what about the away kit fiasco - a total joke.

and as for the mediocre bit - do you honestly believe we are any better than that?

We have been down this road so many times now that it is getting tiresome. The Club are taking this up with the Company and if you want them to dump XARA then it will cost the Club a lot of money as they would have to but their training kit and playing kit all that they get free at present. The strip will be out by Xmas.

[Scobby_SJFC]

not the kit am moaning about really

[lethamsaintee]

what about the away kit fiasco - a total joke.

and as for the mediocre bit - do you honestly believe we are any better than that?

We have been down this road so many times now that it is getting tiresome. The Club are taking this up with the Company and if you want them to dump XARA then it will cost the Club a lot of money as they would have to but their training kit and playing kit all that they get free at present. The strip will be out by Xmas.

yeah its great isnt it? - it will be outdated in may great value at thirty quid

[lethamsaintee]

Well look at the crowd on saturday! Hardly promting the club now is it

Perth is a big place lots of people, Yet somehow we dont attract. We should be out there getting the fans throught the gate. Also whatsthe shop about DOSENT even accept visa or switch.

Well Done !

exactly - but geoff has already said the club doesnt need the fans, and they seem hell bent on pushing them away (saint kev for example)

[Scobby_SJFC]

it will be good one day when we have so little fans only the main stand will be open !

[MUZZ]

geoffs been good for us, i know lots disagree but we have had good times under him as well as bad and we shouldnt forget that. geoff is right to keep the finances tight to prevent us going into big debt. fair do's if someone wants to come in though.........

so you are happy for us to be a mediocre first division team til the ennd of all time?not all, and i've made my feelings known about that but what i'm saying is geoff isnt all the bad lad u make him out to be. he could easy have went for it after our uefa cup crack and chased more and more of it and crippled us. we could be in same boat as likes as dundee and the rest. our time will come again, we're not too bad fianancially as far as i know so have faith. i'd rather be mid first division like we are than 10million in debt in the spl. at least we know we'll be here next year unlike some.

p.s owen coyle IMO is the man to take us forward and will go on to great things as a manager

[john1962]

Its all very well moaning but please say something constructive. If you bring a problem to the table please also bring a solution.

Saints are and probably always will be a provincial up and down club. We have no divine right to be in the SPL. But we do have a right to expect that the board manage the club well enough to keep us in existence.

As for Perth being a big place, since when? Last I read the population is less than 45K so when we were getting 4.5K the we were getting 10% of the population, approximately the same as the Old Firm.

[HeronAddict]

but geoff has already said the club doesnt need the fans

Sorry, but where and when exactly did he say this? This is exactly the sort of tiresome rubbish that pisses me off about some saints fans. You seem to be implying that we have some sort of divine right to be doing much better than we currently are. Can i ask why? In reality we're a relatively small provincial club, whose proper place is probably near the bottom of the SPL or at the top of the first, with the odd fantastic season where we qualify for Europe etc.

Do you want our board to suddenly start spunking money around like its going out of fashion? Sure it might be exciting for one season, but then you end up like Dundee, struggling for survival, because you're spending far more than is coming in. In any case, it seems to me that we have pushed the boat out a bit financially this season - I can't imagine players like Milne and Scotland are earning 200 quid a week.

As for our declining support, you're right that is a problem, but attendances are down throughout Scottish football, its not just a problem we have. When all kids see on the TV is Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Rangers, Celtic etc, its not hard to understand why they wouldn't be that keen to come and see Saints v Stranraer on a freezing saturday in November. Perth's never exactly been a hotbed of football anyway, yet when we do start to do better, as I'm sure we will do under Coyle, the crowds will go back up.

[lethamsaintee]

Its all very well moaning but please say something constructive. If you bring a problem to the table please also bring a solution.

Saints are and probably always will be a provincial up and down club. We have no divine right to be in the SPL. But we do have a right to expect that the board manage the club well enough to keep us in existence.

As for Perth being a big place, since when? Last I read the population is less than 45K so when we were getting 4.5K the we were getting 10% of the population, approximately the same as the Old Firm.

the solution is simple, allow investors to invest! over the years there has been people willing to put there own money into the club and the board have denied people that chance.

[MUZZ]

Its all very well moaning but please say something constructive. If you bring a problem to the table please also bring a solution.

Saints are and probably always will be a provincial up and down club. We have no divine right to be in the SPL. But we do have a right to expect that the board manage the club well enough to keep us in existence.

As for Perth being a big place, since when? Last I read the population is less than 45K so when we were getting 4.5K the we were getting 10% of the population, approximately the same as the Old Firm.

the solution is simple, allow investors to invest! over the years there has been people willing to put there own money into the club and the board have denied people that chance.like who for example? i would honestly feel that the powers at be wouldnt turn down investment for no good reason?

[john1962]

Its all very well moaning but please say something constructive. If you bring a problem to the table please also bring a solution.

Saints are and probably always will be a provincial up and down club. We have no divine right to be in the SPL. But we do have a right to expect that the board manage the club well enough to keep us in existence.

As for Perth being a big place, since when? Last I read the population is less than 45K so when we were getting 4.5K the we were getting 10% of the population, approximately the same as the Old Firm.

the solution is simple, allow investors to invest! over the years there has been people willing to put there own money into the club and the board have denied people that chance.

What evidence do you have for that statement? Tell me who? If you can supply some facts then I will be on your side.

[lethamsaintee]

but geoff has already said the club doesnt need the fans

Sorry, but where and when exactly did he say this? This is exactly the sort of tiresome rubbish that pisses me off about some saints fans. You seem to be implying that we have some sort of divine right to be doing much better than we currently are. Can i ask why? In reality we're a relatively small provincial club, whose proper place is probably near the bottom of the SPL or at the top of the first, with the odd fantastic season where we qualify for Europe etc.

Do you want our board to suddenly start spunking money around like its going out of fashion? Sure it might be exciting for one season, but then you end up like Dundee, struggling for survival, because you're spending far more than is coming in. In any case, it seems to me that we have pushed the boat out a bit financially this season - I can't imagine players like Milne and Scotland are earning 200 quid a week.

As for our declining support, you're right that is a problem, but attendances are down throughout Scottish football, its not just a problem we have. When all kids see on the TV is Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Rangers, Celtic etc, its not hard to understand why they wouldn't be that keen to come and see Saints v Stranraer on a freezing saturday in November. Perth's never exactly been a hotbed of football anyway, yet when we do start to do better, as I'm sure we will do under Coyle, the crowds will go back up.

brown said in a recent interview that the club could survive through its commercial activities alone and in essence could manage without any bums on seats.

i realise that we are a small provincial club and all i am asking is progression, we are at the same stage as we were under billy stark a couple of years ago yet people are happy now.

and no i am not saying we should expect the board to start spunking money around but they should begin to listen to people who are willing to invest in the club. at hamilton its the directors own money being used. in that respect they give nothing - the only times brown has given the club money it was a loan, which he got back with interest. remember all he did with the asda deal was broker it, it never cost him anything and all the good that has come to the club has been from the outside - the donation of the land by farmer mcdiarmid etc.

[lethamsaintee]

Its all very well moaning but please say something constructive. If you bring a problem to the table please also bring a solution.

Saints are and probably always will be a provincial up and down club. We have no divine right to be in the SPL. But we do have a right to expect that the board manage the club well enough to keep us in existence.

As for Perth being a big place, since when? Last I read the population is less than 45K so when we were getting 4.5K the we were getting 10% of the population, approximately the same as the Old Firm.

the solution is simple, allow investors to invest! over the years there has been people willing to put there own money into the club and the board have denied people that chance.

What evidence do you have for that statement? Tell me who? If you can supply some facts then I will be on your side.

it is common knowledge that ann gloag was prepared to invest in the club, yet through a personal fall - out with brown many years ago this has been denied.
as i said earlier wiseman was prepared to invest 5 million into the club, this comes from a good source that i would not let slip.

[john1962]

Surprise surprise, common knowledge and a good source. No facts

[MUZZ]

when was this '5 million' to have been offered. in this day and age i doubt geoff wouldve knocked it back

[blueheaven]

the solution is simple, allow investors to invest! over the years there has been people willing to put there own money into the club and the board have denied people that chance.

Are you basing this on fact or rumour, lethamsaintee? GB has continually said that the Wiseman story is a load of tosh and quite simply never happened. He's also said on more than one occasion that he'd be happy to step down if the right offer came in, but in his whole time at the club there's only been one piece of interest, and that was from someone who he suspected only wanted to get their hands on the land McDiarmid is on.

I totally agree that Geoff should not be immune from all criticism, but you don't really seem to be suggesting anything constructive. It always amazes me when people say things like "Geoff should go". How can he just "go"? He needs someone to buy the club from him before he can do that, and I think we should all be very aware of the fact that, in the hands of someone else, there could be all sorts of disastrous consequences. Just look at the way so many other clubs have been run in recent seasons (although I would have to concede that administration doesn't appear to be as bad as it is portrayed, and certainly didn't seem to do Motherwell much harm - plus Livi are still in the SPL and the Coags aren't doing much worse than us).

Of course I'm not happy to be a middle-ranking First Division club for evermore, but the recent change of manager and decision to give Coyle a decent wage budget to spend proves that GB does still have ambitions for the club. However, he and the board decided to give the job to a man with next to no management experience and, while we'd all have loved to run away with the league this season, we have to be realistic and say that the guy is going to need time to learn his trade.

By the way, you mention that you think the fans should be standing up in some way to be noticed - well there was an after-match protest arranged a couple of years ago and hardly anyone turned up!!

[lethamsaintee]

Surprise surprise, common knowledge and a good source. No facts

listen mate, i am only telling you what people talk about. this is the problem with saints fans - caught up in the "we got a corner in the 6th minute, so we are doing ok" thing.

realise people - we are going nowhere.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Its all very well moaning but please say something constructive. If you bring a problem to the table please also bring a solution.

Saints are and probably always will be a provincial up and down club. We have no divine right to be in the SPL. But we do have a right to expect that the board manage the club well enough to keep us in existence.

As for Perth being a big place, since when? Last I read the population is less than 45K so when we were getting 4.5K the we were getting 10% of the population, approximately the same as the Old Firm.

45 000 is a bigish town so why cant we attract people from the town and other places around? why because other clubs make an attempt to lure young fans to come to games by offering them incentives! we hit then with hefty prices !

[lethamsaintee]

the solution is simple, allow investors to invest! over the years there has been people willing to put there own money into the club and the board have denied people that chance.

Are you basing this on fact or rumour, lethamsaintee? GB has continually said that the Wiseman story is a load of tosh and quite simply never happened. He's also said on more than one occasion that he'd be happy to step down if the right offer came in, but in his whole time at the club there's only been one piece of interest, and that was from someone who he suspected only wanted to get their hands on the land McDiarmid is on.

I totally agree that Geoff should not be immune from all criticism, but you don't really seem to be suggesting anything constructive. It always amazes me when people say things like "Geoff should go". How can he just "go"? He needs someone to buy the club from him before he can do that, and I think we should all be very aware of the fact that, in the hands of someone else, there could be all sorts of disastrous consequences. Just look at the way so many other clubs have been run in recent seasons (although I would have to concede that administration doesn't appear to be as bad as it is portrayed, and certainly didn't seem to do Motherwell much harm - plus Livi are still in the SPL and the Coags aren't doing much worse than us).

Of course I'm not happy to be a middle-ranking First Division club for evermore, but the recent change of manager and decision to give Coyle a decent wage budget to spend proves that GB does still have ambitions for the club. However, he and the board decided to give the job to a man with next to no management experience and, while we'd all have loved to run away with the league this season, we have to be realistic and say that the guy is going to need time to learn his trade.

By the way, you mention that you think the fans should be standing up in some way to be noticed - well there was an after-match protest arranged a couple of years ago and hardly anyone turned up!!

because it seems they are happy with the way things are.

[john1962]

Surprise surprise, common knowledge and a good source. No facts

listen mate, i am only telling you what people talk about. this is the problem with saints fans - caught up in the "we got a corner in the 6th minute, so we are doing ok" thing.

realise people - we are going nowhere.


I know what people talk about, the world is built on gossip. I am just asking for some facts before I go slagging off people.

[MUZZ]

Surprise surprise, common knowledge and a good source. No facts

listen mate, i am only telling you what people talk about. this is the problem with saints fans - caught up in the "we got a corner in the 6th minute, so we are doing ok" thing.

realise people - we are going nowhere.partick thistle, airdrie, dundee and raith rovers are good examples of why we should be greatful for what we have. imagine supporting one them. must be hell to see your fall so far in short space of time

[Scobby_SJFC]

I do agree with lethan saintee

[john1962]

Its all very well moaning but please say something constructive. If you bring a problem to the table please also bring a solution.

Saints are and probably always will be a provincial up and down club. We have no divine right to be in the SPL. But we do have a right to expect that the board manage the club well enough to keep us in existence.

As for Perth being a big place, since when? Last I read the population is less than 45K so when we were getting 4.5K the we were getting 10% of the population, approximately the same as the Old Firm.

45 000 is a bigish town so why cant we attract people from the town and other places around? why because other clubs make an attempt to lure young fans to come to games by offering them incentives! we hit then with hefty prices !

I agree that we dont do enough to attract young fans and that the prices are too steep. Although Parent and child is best value in the league I believe.

[blueheaven]

Surprise surprise, common knowledge and a good source. No facts

listen mate, i am only telling you what people talk about.

Oh, come on - when you say "common knowledge", it sounds like you actually mean "common rumour". Does the fact that people talk about something make it fact? Seriously, do you really think the club would turn down a multi-million pound investment without a pretty good reason? What you're suggesting just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

We may be in no better a position right now than we were under Stark, but Coyle has progressed things from last season so you could call that improvement. He's only just built his team and now he needs time to improve as a manager and get us playing consistently well. Other than simply showing a bit of patience and giving the manager time to prove his worth, I don't know what you're suggesting we, as fans, can actually do?

By the way, did you go to the after-match protest?

[Scobby_SJFC]

what am saying is that we should be more in the community to try and gain more fans more promoting the club !

[john1962]

what am saying is that we should be more in the community to try and gain more fans more promoting the club !

Dont disagree with that at all. Can never do too much.

[Scobby_SJFC]

good stuff :D

[MUZZ]

in trying to get more people to come. i think cut price entry is good idea but they pick the less attractive games for it.

make dundee on jan2 tenner entry and you'll get a hell of a turnout

[1884]

Also whatsthe shop about DOSENT even accept visa or switch.

Well Done !

Aye, it does! I have my merchant slip from last week to prove it! :shock:

[1884]

the solution is simple, allow investors to invest! over the years there has been people willing to put there own money into the club and the board have denied people that chance.

When the Chairman took ill a couple of years ago, he stated publicly that if/when the right offer came in he would walk away happy in the knowledge that St Johnstone Football Club was in safe hands and the City of Perth would still have a professional football club.

The 'right offer' has never materialised.

[Davie D]

when do saits ever advertise themselves,if it wasnt for this site i along wiyh others who stay out with Perth would have no idea what was going on ,i asked a couple of years ago if the club could do some some thing on radio Tay for example and got told thnere is news in the PA and thats all they would consider.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Also whatsthe shop about DOSENT even accept visa or switch.

Well Done !

Aye, it does! I have my merchant slip from last week to prove it! :shock:

My uncle was refused when he asked to use switch! So saints missed out on more money !

[1884]

remember all he did with the asda deal was broker it, it never cost him anything and all the good that has come to the club has been from the outside - the donation of the land by farmer mcdiarmid etc.

Don't you realise that although "all he did was broker it" he/SJFC didn't receive grants from the Football Trust or the Government like other Clubs did to up grade their stadia?

Take Meadowbank Thistle for instance, (no, please do...) they received money in the way of grants and loans to build their stadium. They went into administration (or to use the real word - cheated). Mr Dominic Keane lost BORROWED/DONATED money, not his own, and walked away scott free with the Club not even having to suffer the 10 point deduction because of some technicality? :shock:

Geoff Brown is a St Johnstone fan, not just a businessman out to make a fast buck and run off, or out to gamble with a Club's financial stability, regardless of the consequences.

We should be thankful for that.


That is all. :wink:

[HeronAddict]

at hamilton its the directors own money being used

Ok that's fine for the moment, but as soon as those directors get bored/die what happens then? They only have about 500 home fans at the moment, and as Livingston, Dundee etc have shown continual expenditure on players just isn't sustainable when you don't have the support or the commercial revenue to back it up. What's going to happen to Gretna in the future when Mileson isn't around?

I think we have a chairman who is a sound businessman and who won't gamble the clubs future in a fruitless chase for success. He is certainly not immune to criticism however - the point about us not promoting the club enough in the local area is certainly a valid one. Also as Blue Heaven says Geoff has stated many times that he is in effect waiting for someone to take the club off his hands, so I'd be stunned if he'd turned down any serious approaches, offering the money you've talked about, without good reason.

[lethamsaintee]

remember all he did with the asda deal was broker it, it never cost him anything and all the good that has come to the club has been from the outside - the donation of the land by farmer mcdiarmid etc.

Don't you realise that although "all he did was broker it" he/SJFC didn't receive grants from the Football Trust or the Government like other Clubs did to up grade their stadia?

Take Meadowbank Thistle for instance, (no, please do...) they received money in the way of grants and loans to build their stadium. They went into administration (or to use the real word - cheated). Mr Dominic Keane lost BORROWED/DONATED money, not his own, and walked away scott free with the Club not even having to suffer the 10 point deduction because of some technicality? :shock:

Geoff Brown is a St Johnstone fan, not just a businessman out to make a fast buck and run off, or out to gamble with a Club's financial stability, regardless of the consequences.

We should be thankful for that.


That is all. :wink:

we never recieved grants or funding because asda paid for the lot.

[1884]

we never recieved grants or funding because asda paid for the lot.

And that is because GB is an astute businessman! :shock:

[lethamsaintee]

we never recieved grants or funding because asda paid for the lot.

And that is because GB is an astute businessman! :shock:

no, its because asda were desperate for a prime site in perth.

[The Mighty Quinn]

Firstly - Geoff Brown effectively saved St Johnstone Football Club when he took over. For those who can remember Saints were almost "down and out" at that time and going nowhere. New life was breathed into the club - we ended up with a super stadium, a team with some great players- (Roddy, Maskrey,Moore) but to name a few!
We played good football - had terrific crowd attendances - and a great "goodwill" feeling about the very town itself.
What's happened to St Johnstone Football Club is just generally what's happened to Scottish Football as a whole (and the National Team is a good example) - players who are just not good enough - minus a lot of the basic skills - resulting in boring football matches - that in turn puts people off attending matches - which in turn results in no atmosphere at grounds - witness the Stranraer match as an excellent advertisment for all of this!
Simply saying get an investor to put big money into St Johnstone isn't the answer - the money would simply go into players pockets - ok we might win a game or two then those players would simply moive to another club with even bigger wages on offer (example - Momo Sylla!) - then we're back to square one all over again.
Until such time as we can get a group of players playing together as a team - showing a bit of skill - and also a bit of long term loyalty to the club - then things can only unfortunately remain as they are.
Play good attacking football - get a couple of wingers (if they still exist out there?) - cut out this total obsession with everyone being a so called Midfield Player - and maybe - just maybe - the fans might start to return - bringing with them a bit of missing atmosphere - resulting in the good times returning .

[lethamsaintee]

Firstly - Geoff Brown effectively saved St Johnstone Football Club when he took over. For those who can remember Saints were almost "down and out" at that time and going nowhere. New life was breathed into the club - we ended up with a super stadium, a team with some great players- (Roddy, Maskrey,Moore) but to name a few!
We played good football - had terrific crowd attendances - and a great "goodwill" feeling about the very town itself.
What's happened to St Johnstone Football Club is just generally what's happened to Scottish Football as a whole (and the National Team is a good example) - players who are just not good enough - minus a lot of the basic skills - resulting in boring football matches - that in turn puts people off attending matches - which in turn results in no atmosphere at grounds - witness the Stranraer match as an excellent advertisment for all of this!
Simply saying get an investor to put big money into St Johnstone isn't the answer - the money would simply go into players pockets - ok we might win a game or two then those players would simply moive to another club with even bigger wages on offer (example - Momo Sylla!) - then we're back to square one all over again.
Until such time as we can get a group of players playing together as a team - showing a bit of skill - and also a bit of long term loyalty to the club - then things can only unfortunately remain as they are.
Play good attacking football - get a couple of wingers (if they still exist out there?) - cut out this total obsession with everyone being a so called Midfield Player - and maybe - just maybe - the fans might start to return - bringing with them a bit of missing atmosphere - resulting in the good times returning .

thats it we had, we played ets, its all past tense, we should have been able to build on that when WE HAD a decent support and a decent team

[blueheaven]

thats it we had, we played ets, its all past tense, we should have been able to build on that when WE HAD a decent support and a decent team

Where was the money going to come from to do this building though? Even when we were 3rd in the SPL, our support wasn't exactly massive. Geoff Brown made a decision to play it safe and chose ensuring the club's future over spending money that didn't exist. Was that a mistake? In hindsight, maybe it was - as mentioned earlier, the other clubs who overtook us in the pecking order by cheating don't appear to have paid a particularly high price for it. Certainly no bigger a price than we have in the form of being relegated and not being able to get back up. But did you disagree at the time? Would you have been willing to risk the club's future in order to secure a few extra seasons in the SPL? Let's face it, even if we were still in the SPL, the fans would still be moaning about something at the moment. :P

In my opinion, the real big mistakes the board have made over the last few years all relate to the hiring and firing of managers. I hope that they've now rectified that by hiring Coyle - time will tell.

[mainstand]

we never recieved grants or funding because asda paid for the lot.

And that is because GB is an astute businessman! :shock:

no, its because asda were desperate for a prime site in perth.

So desperate that teh men at Asda that negotiated teh deal never negotiated anything after that. Asda was the most expensive supermarket per square foot in teh country.

[Broon]

I think you just have to trust GB - he has always had Saints best interests at heart. We not only have a good stadium, secure team and excellent finances - were stable. GB is not just trying to build a team - he is trying to build an infrastructure that the team can be built upon. We are making money from all angles so we never have to rely on bums on seats. You cant argue with that. I would rather know Saints will be here in 10-15 years time that blow it big style on a glory season or two.

We are gradually making more money from our business ventures - eventually that money will find its way into the team. I also think were only 2-3 players away from having a team good enough to win the league. Its not all bad!

[Broggy Man]

I think you just have to trust GB - he has always had Saints best interests at heart. We not only have a good stadium, secure team and excellent finances - were stable. GB is not just trying to build a team - he is trying to build an infrastructure that the team can be built upon. We are making money from all angles so we never have to rely on bums on seats. You cant argue with that. I would rather know Saints will be here in 10-15 years time that blow it big style on a glory season or two.

We are gradually making more money from our business ventures - eventually that money will find its way into the team. I also think were only 2-3 players away from having a team good enough to win the league. Its not all bad!

Spot on Broon obviously your run in with the surveyour has made you more astute :oops: 3 players would make all the difference as long as they are the right players. 2 midfielders with a bit of drive one central the other perhaps wider with ability to cross. 1 right back who can distribute the ball rather than running aimlessly with no idea what they are going to do. That achieved and i dont think we will be far away :!:

[David]

[quote="Radford 72"]To whoever mentioned Hamilton and the source of their money, you should be very glad Saints aren't receiving that type of investment.[quote]
Careful what you say there, Kev...!

[chopper]

[quote="Radford 72"]To whoever mentioned Hamilton and the source of their money, you should be very glad Saints aren't receiving that type of investment.[quote]
Careful what you say there, Kev...!

But it's been well publicised where their money is coming from so does he really need to watch with regards that???

[Saintkev]

Geoff saved this club, I have had a major run-in and have lost bucket-loads of respect for the guy, think he has lost touch with the paying fan, and is often blind to some benefits to the club. However, I will never lose respect for how he has generally handled the club in this difficult financial period.

I really think he wants to move on, but there just isn't anyone out there right for taking the club on. Heard all the rumours, doubt them very much. I agree it's time to move on, but he knows it, but as has been said, can't just walk away.

[David]

But it's been well publicised where their money is coming from so does he really need to watch with regards that???
OK then, I think we're talking about different things here. What's the real story with their source of income?

[Broggy Man]

But it's been well publicised where their money is coming from so does he really need to watch with regards that???
OK then, I think we're talking about different things here. What's the real story with their source of income?

OK OK someone tell us where did Hamilton get there money pleeeassse!!!!!

[fifefan]

Quote by Muzz

make dundee on jan2 tenner entry and you'll get a hell of a turnout


5,000 at the last Dundee was best we have done for a few seasons. There are a few other matches where we should be looking to try to attract some more people.