clachan construction

[real bell 7]

just seen on the red button on bbc that clachan have gone into receivership. 200 people look like losing their jobs. Not good another perth company gone and all those folks out of work.

[SaintDougie]

just seen on the red button on bbc that clachan have gone into receivership. 200 people look like losing their jobs. Not good another perth company gone and all those folks out of work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/10543549.stm

Full story

[Fair City Saint]

It's not just the Clachan employees though. My firm are due thousands and thousands of pounds from them which looks like it'll put us under and that means I'm also jobless!

[Fair City Saint]

Some inside info here if anybody's interested. The fraud squad will become embroiled in this from what I've been told from someone quite high up in the firm. Watch this space!

[PH1 LAD]

If peopel are stupid enough to enter contracts with a company whos credit rating has been 0 for the last two years they deserve to lose money. Not saying you deserve to lose your job fella. But you should be asking your boss why he was taking risks like that, effectively risking your job.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

It's not just the Clachan employees though. My firm are due thousands and thousands of pounds from them which looks like it'll put us under and that means I'm also jobless!

Who do you work for,i"v worked with Clachan for 19 years

[Fair City Saint]

If peopel are stupid enough to enter contracts with a company whos credit rating has been 0 for the last two years they deserve to lose money. Not saying you deserve to lose your job fella. But you should be asking your boss why he was taking risks like that, effectively risking your job.

And you think tradesman can afford to be picky who they work for in the current climate? How the heck would you honestly have clue about anyone's credit rating?

[Fair City Saint]

Who do you work for,i"v worked with Clachan for 19 years

I've just came off of a Clachan site at Blairgowrie. The 9 houses at Davie Park.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

If peopel are stupid enough to enter contracts with a company whos credit rating has been 0 for the last two years they deserve to lose money. Not saying you deserve to lose your job fella. But you should be asking your boss why he was taking risks like that, effectively risking your job.

I have not been paid for the last 2 weeks i"ve worked for Clachan and im no millionair

[THE REBEL SAINT]

I've just came off of a Clachan site at Blairgowrie. The 9 houses at Davie Park.

I we did the brickwork on them.

Are you a painter?

[Fair City Saint]

I we did the brickwork on them

You're not one half of the father and son team from Blair are you?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

You're not one half of the father and son team from Blair are you?

No we"re from Perth

[Fair City Saint]

No we"re from Perth

I know who you are now then. Are you the yong lad or older lad?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

I know who you are now then. Are you the yong lad or older lad?

We"re all old lads

[Fair City Saint]

We"re all old lads

You must be her faither's auld pal?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

You must be her faither's auld pal?

I we went to the tech together, then worked on the grip for years before he passed away!!

[Fair City Saint]

Have a look at the picture on the main page of this site? That'll have to be changed now!

[PH1 LAD]

And you think tradesman can afford to be picky who they work for in the current climate? How the heck would you honestly have clue about anyone's credit rating?

Because I work in the construction industry, and as a responsible company it is in your interest to vet potential client or contractors.

[grr]

Because I work in the construction industry, and as a responsible company it is in your interest to vet potential client or contractors.

Not many contractors would pass your vetting! in the current climate if they did not price "keenly" they would have gone 6+ months ago. Councils and nhs have not helped by squeezing out local contractors in favour of "bigger" companies. Fraud squad is interesting............... who knows what they will find!!! Sadly too late for the 200 plus the inevitable other casualties.

[slf]

when i read the headline i thought they were reopening the clachan !!





anyway best of luck to the workers the dole is shit and its gonna be worse now they torie bassas are in power.

[ancientsaint]

Have a look at the picture on the main page of this site? That'll have to be changed now!

Would Saints not have been paid in advance for "Clachan"s ad board above the stand ??

Might be a long term deal !! (paid of course )

[Fair City Saint]

Well there I am un-employed now due to Clachan's mismanagement. I'm not even employed by them as well. It's going to affect a lot more than just their employees.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Well there I am un-employed now due to Clachan's mismanagement. I'm not even employed by them as well. It's going to affect a lot more than just their employees.

Sorry to hear that,how many off you have been layed off.
Is your boss going to do anything about Clachan.

[sjfc.spl.09-10]

the dole is shit and its gonna be worse now they torie bassas are in power.

get a job!:wink:

[ANDY5565]

Bad times all round and its going to get worse before it gets better..be smart and dont be spending as you dont know where the next coin is comming from

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Bad times all round and its going to get worse before it gets better..be smart and dont be spending as you dont know where the next coin is comming from

I agree Andy it"s getting worse,it"s going to be hard year ahead!!!

[ANDY5565]

Predictions..next 3-5 years before it dose rebel...sorry to hear your greif..hope you find something soon...have an uncle on the isle of skye who has his own construction biz..he will be feeling the pinch am sure..uncle in perth is a paint and decorator with his son...john mcphee..ring a bell?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

No i dont know your uncle,Perth s full of painters and plumbers!!!!

[ANDY5565]

For such a small toon...too many looking for the same job...competion will be hard...would reccomend to youngsters to have several trades for back up

[Fair City Saint]

Predictions..next 3-5 years before it dose rebel...sorry to hear your greif..hope you find something soon...have an uncle on the isle of skye who has his own construction biz..he will be feeling the pinch am sure..uncle in perth is a paint and decorator with his son...john mcphee..ring a bell?

Jock McPhee! I used to be his neighbour! His laddie is Neil and he's also a painter.

[ANDY5565]

Jock McPhee! I used to be his neighbour! His laddie is Neil and he's also a painter.

WHEN HE LIVED ON NEWHOUSE ROAD(was in digs for a while with him no 21 Paddy+Moira Kelly lived above us).OR ON THE CREIFF RD WHERE HE LIVES NOW?
HAS ANOTHER LADDIE SEAN AND A LASS CALLED DEBBIE..LAST TIME I SAW NEIL HE WAS JUST A WEE BOY

[Fair City Saint]

WHEN HE LIVED ON NEWHOUSE ROAD(was in digs for a while with him no 21 Paddy+Moira Kelly lived above us).OR ON THE CREIFF RD WHERE HE LIVES NOW?
HAS ANOTHER LADDIE SEAN AND A LASS CALLED DEBBIE..LAST TIME I SAW NEIL HE WAS JUST A WEE BOY

I stayed in 17 Newhouse Rd. years ago.

[Dr Christmas Jones]

Was working on your site at Manor loan last year and alot of the guys on site were saying you had plenty work for the coming year but so did the Torith guys i was speaking to about that time.Hope you all get jobs soon.There is a construction company in Arran road looking for brickies and electricians.There name escapes me at the moment but will try and remember it through my fizzy wine haze.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Was working on your site at Manor loan last year and alot of the guys on site were saying you had plenty work for the coming year but so did the Torith guys i was speaking to about that time.Hope you all get jobs soon.There is a construction company in Arran road looking for brickies and electricians.There name escapes me at the moment but will try and remember it through my fizzy wine haze.

Try and remember DR, pm me if you remember the firms name!!!!

[grr]

For such a small toon...too many looking for the same job...competion will be hard...would reccomend to youngsters to have several trades for back up

Easier said than done....... Try just even getting one, very few opportunities these days

[ANDY5565]

Easier said than done....... Try just even getting one, very few opportunities these days

who said it would be easy...who said theres oppertunities..not me thats for sure....who said a long time ago things are getting bad and work will be getting scarce because we are well into a recession?...I did...what Perth is missing especially amongst the young...is innovation...short of ideas bud..ask Andy the dude who talks nosense..i can reccomend you the French Foriegn Legion..your young and have time to kill..you will most certainly kill your time in F.F.L...5 years of your life..wtf is 5 years?..when your idiling..running up debt..at least in F.F.L. you will get competences to turn your hand at almost anything..'le system D'..we call it...you know system D?....'demerde toi'

post shitum...do more..ask for less

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Just been to see about a job there but unfortunately it was taken!!!!!!!!!!

[ancientsaint]

I know it might be a daft idea....but why dont all the out of work tradesman join up and bid for any contracts that are going-

[sausageman]

Do a lot of work with Clachan too. A lot of the workers have been skimming of the firm for years. What firm can afford to pay overtime rates every weekend to 60% of the workforce on the price of the initial contract. They would get paid 32hr for a weekend and be away home at 2pm at the latest each day, after doing very little as well. Some people even put in thier hours and didnt even go to work. Some were eventually caught and got suspended for a week and that was it. A lot of the workforce have had it far to easy and had money handed out on a plate to them. They will find it hard to work for another firm that likrs thier pound of flesh. Does any labourer/ganger merit 45K a year? A lot of good guys work for the firm and I will certainly miss the many good times I had working for Clachan, but a lot of people seen this coming over the years. Hopefully some decent firm can buy them out as I think they had some decent contracts on the go.

[sausageman]

..have an uncle on the isle of skye who has his own construction biz..he will be feeling the pinch am sure..uncle in perth is a paint and decorator with his son...john mcphee..ring a bell?

That'll be Niel is it? Married to Jackie MacDonnell. Done a few jobs with Jock and drank a few drinks with him too. Havent seen him much since they flitted to Grampian court. Is he not near retirement now? :laugh:

[ANDY5565]

Thats my uncle Neil..Johns brother..John has a son..my cousin Neil..aye Neil is arried to Jackie..they have been over to see me here..live up in skye..Neil ran a salmon farm for Ian Anderson..singer of Jethro Tull..now he has own construction buisness..sure he will feeling the pinch Neil and i both worked at tay valley joiners....any one remember it..bottom of hilly land tulloch works

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Do a lot of work with Clachan too. A lot of the workers have been skimming of the firm for years. What firm can afford to pay overtime rates every weekend to 60% of the workforce on the price of the initial contract. They would get paid 32hr for a weekend and be away home at 2pm at the latest each day, after doing very little as well. Some people even put in thier hours and didnt even go to work. Some were eventually caught and got suspended for a week and that was it. A lot of the workforce have had it far to easy and had money handed out on a plate to them. They will find it hard to work for another firm that likrs thier pound of flesh. Does any labourer/ganger merit 45K a year? A lot of good guys work for the firm and I will certainly miss the many good times I had working for Clachan, but a lot of people seen this coming over the years. Hopefully some decent firm can buy them out as I think they had some decent contracts on the go.
Well said sausageman you hit the nail right on head there, and most of the ones your talking about went to thier work better dressed than i do at the weekends,but no one at the top did anytrhing about it, sad day when labourers make more money than us tradesmen!!!!!!!!!!!

[anicoll]

ogilvie construction have got the contract to build the new wards at murray royal,they are preparing the ground at this moment, i think they will be starting to build about october, maybe could try them for some work

[101 Saint]

Do a lot of work with Clachan too. A lot of the workers have been skimming of the firm for years. What firm can afford to pay overtime rates every weekend to 60% of the workforce on the price of the initial contract. They would get paid 32hr for a weekend and be away home at 2pm at the latest each day, after doing very little as well. Some people even put in thier hours and didnt even go to work. Some were eventually caught and got suspended for a week and that was it. A lot of the workforce have had it far to easy and had money handed out on a plate to them. They will find it hard to work for another firm that likrs thier pound of flesh. Does any labourer/ganger merit 45K a year? A lot of good guys work for the firm and I will certainly miss the many good times I had working for Clachan, but a lot of people seen this coming over the years. Hopefully some decent firm can buy them out as I think they had some decent contracts on the go.

Is that unusual in the building trade? It has always seemed far more corrupt than the House of Commons.

[ANDY5565]

because theres local authorities willing to take bribes

[ANDY5565]

Hadrians wall needs to be rebuilt

[sausageman]

Neil and i both worked at tay valley joiners....any one remember it..bottom of hilly land tulloch works

Aye TVJ shut down about 1982/83. A few of the boys drank in the Plough Inn.Davie Neave, Jimmy Waddell Alan Dalton and Kenny Wallace some names I remember. I was at Neil and Jackies nephews 21st in Erskine a few month back. He brought some logs down for the fire burner. Kept us cosy. Keep asking me and wife to go up with the McDonnells for a break to Skye. To remote for my liking

[ANDY5565]

helped him carry the kit he bought from T.V.J. to build his house there...its beautiful..set on the southern tip of skye...beside the shore..Neil likes his rhum..his other brother Wullie sold him the land...Wullie is married to a local lass Shona..Mcdonald...Mcdonalds own most of the island...Wullie and Shona...had 3 pairs of idetentical twins..one after the other..7th bairn..on his own

[ANDY5565]

That nephwew be Garrys/Bobs/Johns son?

[SlickDT]

Is that unusual in the building trade? It has always seemed far more corrupt than the House of Commons.

I have to admit, my business is occasionally on building sites with our work and for every one decent worker there is another that simply does as little as possible. It sometimes felt like the site foremans only job was to chase some of the workers up.

Shame Clachan will be full of lads that have worked really hard and watched all the corruption and skiving around them.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Away down to the brew to sign on this afternoon!!!!!!!!!!

[ANDY5565]

First time?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

First time?

Since 1984

[ANDY5565]

Fuques sake..hope you get sorted dude..seems to be more difficult to find employment with a certain age

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Fuques sake..hope you get sorted dude..seems to be more difficult to find employment with a certain age

I your right there Andy its no going to be easy.

[ANDY5565]

Ever thought about teaching your trade...maybe at the tech?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Ever thought about teaching your trade...maybe at the tech?

Theres not so many apprentices now either Andy, so no need for so many lecturers now.

[Fair City Saint]

Away down to the brew to sign on this afternoon!!!!!!!!!!

How did you get on? I'm down tomorrow to do the same and I'm dreading going in. Far too proud not to worry about it. I've never done it before either.

[saintj]

Is that unusual in the building trade? It has always seemed far more corrupt than the House of Commons.
if the company lets you away with it then some people will always take advantage.

when the cats away the mice come out to play as the saying goes :)

[sausageman]

Get in touch with Hadden constuction. Theyre doing founds out at Methven on thier new site. The site at Letham primary cant be far away from starting either. Good luck Dennis

[THE REBEL SAINT]

How did you get on? I'm down tomorrow to do the same and I'm dreading going in. Far too proud not to worry about it. I've never done it before either.

Once i got passed the 2 junkies in front off me it was ok!!!!!!!!!

Good luck.

:):)

[Fair City Saint]

Once i got passed the 2 junkies in front off me it was ok!!!!!!!!!

Good luck.

:):)

That's what I'm dreading! Having to bite my tongue when I see those lazy scumbags that aren't interested in ever putting anything in the national pot, while I'm embarrassed to take something out!

[SlickDT]

Nothing to be ashamed about, the jobseekers is there for people like yourself that are desperate to work. I have no problem with my taxes going toward good people who are just unfortunate to lose their job. I detest Junkies and the like that use OUR money on their disgusting habbit and lifestyle.

[Fair City Saint]

Nothing to be ashamed about, the jobseekers is there for people like yourself that are desperate to work. I have no problem with my taxes going toward good people who are just unfortunate to lose their job. I detest Junkies and the like that use OUR money on their disgusting habbit and lifestyle.

Until we vote for an independent Scotland then it'll continue to get worse.

[101 Saint]

Nothing to be ashamed about, the jobseekers is there for people like yourself that are desperate to work. I have no problem with my taxes going toward good people who are just unfortunate to lose their job. I detest Junkies and the like that use OUR money on their disgusting habbit and lifestyle.
Great post.

Until we vote for an independent Scotland then it'll continue to get worse.
Terrible post. SNP are socialist ultras! They'll encourage such nonsense.

[SanginSaint]

Until we vote for an independent Scotland then it'll continue to get worse.

ha ha ha independent scotland ha ha ha , what do they want to model it it on? is it still the irish republic ?............basket case........or iceland double basket case ..........

[Fair City Saint]

Great post.


Terrible post. SNP are socialist ultras! They'll encourage such nonsense.

How many years of a unified Britain have we shelled out our money to slut maws and junkie cocks? You honestly think it'll get worse on our own?

[erchie]

aye uk unemployment figures fall but scotlands rises ????????

would not happen if we were on our own !

[101 Saint]

aye uk unemployment figures fall but scotlands rises ????????

would not happen if we were on our own !

Yip because we have a thriving private sector which is strangled by our unified nation:roll:

Furthemore look how Salmond is helping our biggest employers...oh wait, he's been a thorn in their side. Ach well, maybe we can spend money on public sector jobs; oh no Blair and Broon tried that...

[erchie]

no
its probally we would give a shit on how we ran our country !

[101 Saint]

no
its probally we would give a shit on how we ran our country !

Aye but who would "give a sh*t"? What calibre of person? Salmond, Sturgeon, McConnell, McLeish?? That's the calibre of some of our "top" MSPs. Frightening if you stop to think about it. You really want them making decisions?

[wee john]

Aye but who would "give a sh*t"? What calibre of person? Salmond, Sturgeon, McConnell, McLeish?? That's the calibre of some of our "top" MSPs. Frightening if you stop to think about it. You really want them making decisions?

But they could be voted out by the SCOTTISH people and the majority would get the leaders Scotland want.
As it stands we are ruled by what e***ish voters want.

I cannot understand why Scots do not want us to run our own country.
If it went tits up then at least we would have ourselves to blame, better that than letting middle e***and controlling us.
And it will get worse as middle e***and get brainwashed into thinking they subsidise us, that we are a drain on THEIR economy, that is what they think. that will only get worse and we will suffer for it.

In Britain we are second class citizens. IMHO

[SanginSaint]

the majority of scottish people voted for unionist parties. Lib/Lab/con

[ANDY5565]

3rd class...Wales has more character than scotland..english get on quite well with them..toe the line...be greatful for what you recieve..dont like it..then fuque off..plenty down south who wouldnt mind the space you take up..and if there wasnt..im sure they will import some to remplace you...colinisation by immigruntation...you know?

[101 Saint]

But they could be voted out by the SCOTTISH people and the majority would get the leaders Scotland want.
As it stands we are ruled by what e***ish voters want.
Holyrood is wall to wall dross. Not one standout. McLetchie was good, but he was very much part-time and I wouldn't want hin in charge of anything. The rest are little brighter than call centre staff.

Exceptional folk; like Hague, IDS, Charlie Kennedy and Davie Milliband will always go to Westminster because Holyrood to Westminster is like St Johns to St Johnstone. So we'd have to elect the SNP to get independance. They are led by a man who is renowned for being immature and smug....

I cannot understand why Scots do not want us to run our own country.
If it went tits up then at least we would have ourselves to blame, better that than letting middle e***and controlling us.
And it will get worse as middle e***and get brainwashed into thinking they subsidise us, that we are a drain on THEIR economy, that is what they think. that will only get worse and we will suffer for it.

In Britain we are second class citizens. IMHO

We are a darin on their economy, that's why the deal works so well for us. Look how remote our nation is. Publis services will always cost more. We have skiing and hillwalking so we need rescue helicopters on many occasions. Admittedly, often to retrieve southeners, but would you propose leaving Englanders to die? Actually...:laugh:

[101 Saint]

the majority of scottish people voted for unionist parties. Lib/Lab/con

Hey, dinnae put facts before the flag!

Too many on here cannae seperate being a proud Scot and being a pragmatic unionist!

[SanginSaint]

Hey, dinnae put facts before the flag!

Too many on here cannae seperate beoing a proud Scot and being a pragmatic unionist!

excuse me , look at my avatar, are you saying im not a proud scot ? but im also a proud Brit , comes with the job..............

[101 Saint]

excuse me , look at my avatar, are you saying im not a proud scot ? but im also a proud Brit , comes with the job..............

Nope, I'm mocking the indie supporters.

[SanginSaint]

Yep, just re read your post, i see what you said now, apologies....

[101 Saint]

Yep, just re read your post, i see what you said now, apologies....

Nae bother at a'!

[1884]

Holyrood is wall to wall dross. Not one standout. McLetchie was good, but he was very much part-time and I wouldn't want hin in charge of anything. The rest are little brighter than call centre staff.


Oh, I don't know? The last time I saw McLetchie in the flesh was in Amsterdam in March last year when we were there for the WC Qualifier. He was sitting outside a 'Coffee Shop' in the Red Light District sharing a huge joint with a member of the TA...

Could be a laugh a minute!:laugh::wink:

[Honest Saints Fan]

But they could be voted out by the SCOTTISH people and the majority would get the leaders Scotland want.
As it stands we are ruled by what e***ish voters want.

I cannot understand why Scots do not want us to run our own country.
If it went tits up then at least we would have ourselves to blame, better that than letting middle e***and controlling us.
And it will get worse as middle e***and get brainwashed into thinking they subsidise us, that we are a drain on THEIR economy, that is what they think. that will only get worse and we will suffer for it.

In Britain we are second class citizens. IMHO

Is there something wrong with your keyboard?

Why can't you type England? Putting stars to blank out letters like that is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

[ryangordon86]

But they could be voted out by the SCOTTISH people and the majority would get the leaders Scotland want.
As it stands we are ruled by what e***ish voters want.

I cannot understand why Scots do not want us to run our own country.
If it went tits up then at least we would have ourselves to blame, better that than letting middle e***and controlling us.
And it will get worse as middle e***and get brainwashed into thinking they subsidise us, that we are a drain on THEIR economy, that is what they think. that will only get worse and we will suffer for it.

In Britain we are second class citizens. IMHO

It's attitudes like this that cause our problems. I chose not to vote because I have no faith in any of the parties. Too many silver spoons for me.

In Scotland we like to talk ourselves down, we give ourselves an inferiority complex that transfers into every part of life including fitba'.

I agree with 101, we do well out of the Union, as an independent nation we'd drown because we've too many in this country that simply don't give a f**k, don't want to work and want to drag everyone down to their level.

Our banks are fecked, most of our industries are fecked, as a nation we'd die in no time.

[Fair City Saint]

most of our industries are fecked, as a nation we'd die in no time.

Who fecked our industries and who has controlled them for years? Stealing every penny that's ours and them claiming we're better off with them because they give us cash! What a load of bollocks! If we are that much a drain on their country then come out and say so and let us go it alone!

[wee john]

Is there something wrong with your keyboard?

Why can't you type England? Putting stars to blank out letters like that is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

:laugh:

[1884]

In Scotland we like to talk ourselves down, we give ourselves an inferiority complex that transfers into every part of life including fitba'.



On the contrary, we don't talk ourselves down but we do sell ourselves short - we are superior to our friends south of the border (and yes there is a border there to separate the 2 different countries) but as Fair City Saint says we let the Westminster government take everything from us.

There are only 5 million Scots. I'm proud to be one of them. I'm so sorry so many English people are desperate to hang on to us because of their jealousy and the anxiety it causes them to think that they won't have Scottish pound notes subsidising them any more.

The CON-DEM government does not have a mandate to rule over Scottish people in Scotland.

[ANDY5565]

Live on the same island..how can you go it alone..what is wrong and always has been wrong is the dividends shared..too much one way...less of the superior being attitude by many english would be a good thing..cant have an inferiour complex if you dont have people thinking they are better than you..because they were born several miles south and your accent differs to theirs..if the econimy is fuqued..its because lazy bastards who milked the econ me by being students..studying to become world/nation leaders..flash bastards in their top jobs..im alright yu and i jacque can fuque off..starve and feed your bairns on gruel..rule brique can ya...but we are teuchtors and have one of the best fishing ressources on the planet...badly gouverned

[wee john]

It's attitudes like this that cause our problems. I chose not to vote because I have no faith in any of the parties. Too many silver spoons for me.

TOSH
PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT DO NOT VOTE HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED GETTING OFF YER ERSE.
IF WE ALL THOUGHT LIKE THAT WE WOULD BE IN A RIGHT MESS.

In Scotland we like to talk ourselves down, we give ourselves an inferiority complex that transfers into every part of life including fitba'.

I agree with 101, we do well out of the Union, as an independent nation we'd drown because we've too many in this country that simply don't give a f**k,

LIKE YOU DON'T GIVE A F**K VOTING.
YES WE HAVE DONE WELL OUT OF THE UNION, BUT WE STILL DO NOT GET WHAT WE VOTE FOR.

don't want to work and want to drag everyone down to their level.

SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY

Our banks are fecked, most of our industries are fecked, as a nation we'd die in no time.

I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO GIVE IT A GO THOUGH.



....

[1884]

It's attitudes like this that cause our problems. I chose not to vote because I have no faith in any of the parties.

You chose not to vote because you have no faith in any of the parties.
It's attitudes like this that cause our problems.

[ANDY5565]

i choose not to vote..1.i cant beaureaucratic resons..and even if i could..i would choose..blank...civil disobeitence..i am not Ghandi..i am Andy the dude who talks no sense

[Honest Saints Fan]

I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO GIVE IT A GO THOUGH.

:shock:

Are you actually being serious?

...and if it didn't work out, your plan would be? Aye exactly.

[wee john]

the majority of scottish people voted for unionist parties. Lib/Lab/con

The minority in Scotland voted for CON & LIB.:oops:

[1884]

:shock:

Are you actually being serious?

...and if it didn't work out, your plan would be? Aye exactly.

Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?


To be fair to Honest Saints Fan and Ryangordon 86, you are lucky that you are both young enough not to remember what it was like living under the control of the Thatcher government. That government bled Scotland dry.

[SanginSaint]

majority voted the unionist parties, dont selectively edit my post...thanks.........

[wee john]

:shock:

Are you actually being serious?

...and if it didn't work out, your plan would be? Aye exactly.

NO I'M TELLING LIES:roll:

I do not have a plan, I am obviously not as clever as you, I mean you know we would fail being independent, i think we would thrive, but you obviously know.

At least we know you'll not bother voting against it though:laugh:

[ANDY5565]

You have brains?..you have feet?..you can steer yourself in any direction you want...madhat Andy

If you dont have expectations...then you wont be disappointed!

The surest way to remain poor is to be an honest man..Napoleon

Problems?...what problems?...theres only solutions...the problem is your attitude to difficulties....madhat-Andy

being honest with myself

[wee john]

majority voted the unionist parties, dont selectively edit my post...thanks.........

i never edited anything.
i stated a fact the same as you did.
no editing needed.

[1884]

majority voted the unionist parties,

Correct.

It's only a pity that none of the so-called 'Westminster parties' included Independence for England in their election manifesto.

I fear that is the ONLY way Scotland will regain her independence.

Will any of the 'Westminster three' have the balls to hold a referendum on English independence?

I'm sorry. This thread is completely off topic.

[Honest Saints Fan]

Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?


To be fair to Honest Saints Fan and Ryangordon 86, you are lucky that you are both young enough not to remember what it was like living under the control of the Thatcher government. That government bled Scotland dry.

You honestly think the Tories will do anything remotely like that again?

I've never seen any evidence that Scotland would be better off as an independent nation. In fact, I believe most Scots want independence not for the good of Scotland but for their hatred of England, which is pathetic. Thankfully Alex Salmond is all talk and nae action.

[Kevin]

The coalition (how dare they use coal in their title) are hell bent on crippling Scotland's industries. Just loko at the number of companies laying off up here compared to down south. I just hope the idiots who voted Lib Dem are proud of themselves for electing two-faced Clegg and ultimately the Son of Thatcher!!

[1884]

You honestly think the Tories will do anything remotely like that again?



We have very little left for them to take.
I've never seen any evidence that Scotland would be better off as an independent nation.

And what evidence do you have that shows we wouldn't?

In fact, I believe most Scots want independence not for the good of Scotland but for their hatred of England, which is pathetic. Thankfully Alex Salmond is all talk and nae action.

That's just a silly, ill-thought-out remark.

[wee john]

In fact, I believe most Scots want independence not for the good of Scotland but for their hatred of England, which is pathetic. Thankfully Alex Salmond is all talk and nae action.

that is pathetic to even think that.
that is small minded and degrading to think that fellow Scots cannot have an opinion about their country that has nothing to do with hatred.

a parcel of rouges in a nation.

[ANDY5565]

dont forget we are part of europe...

[1884]

dont forget we are part of europe...
Great Britain is.

Scotland as a nation is not.

[ANDY5565]

Great Britain is.

Scotland as a nation is not.

it will be as it is part of my master plan..fist PARIS then LONDON..then im off to MOSCOW..caporal LITTLE/le petit caporal

[BLUE MAGIC]

I believe most Scots want independence not for the good of Scotland but for their hatred of England, which is pathetic. Thankfully Alex Salmond is all talk and nae action.

this is very true and it has caused hatred towards scots from the english that wasnt there years ago, so well done all the anti-english brigade, hatred breeds hatred:roll:
Alex salmond is a cock, and i would never vote for him:evil:

[101 Saint]

The CON-DEM government does not have a mandate to rule over Scottish people in Scotland.

:laugh:

Do they have a mandate to govern the UK?:roll:

[101 Saint]

The minority in Scotland voted for CON & LIB.:oops:

And water is wet

[101 Saint]

Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?


To be fair to Honest Saints Fan and Ryangordon 86, you are lucky that you are both young enough not to remember what it was like living under the control of the Thatcher government. That government bled Scotland dry.

In what way? Most of the folk I know in their 40s and 50s live comfortable lives. Nice homes, low interest rates, newish cars and holiday at least once a year.

[101 Saint]

The coalition (how dare they use coal in their title) are hell bent on crippling Scotland's industries. Just loko at the number of companies laying off up here compared to down south. I just hope the idiots who voted Lib Dem are proud of themselves for electing two-faced Clegg and ultimately the Son of Thatcher!!

Name a well run business that's shutting down?

Laying off staff is irrelevant, Saints are doing it to an extent, it's prudent during an economic downturn.

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

Laying off staff is irrelevant, Saints are doing it to an extent, it's prudent during an economic downturn.

Thats a great comment. Will remember that if you or someone close to you ever get layed off.

[ANDY5565]

If its a well run buisness?...being prudent with there profits..to help face difficultes..evry industery knows its ups and downs..laying of brick layers is not a constructive messure..when the buiding industry builds..evry other industry builds

[101 Saint]

Thats a great comment. Will remember that if you or someone close to you ever get layed off.

Why? It's a fact. My job is not secure at the moment. Half decent chance of getting punted. Facts of life, sunshine. Would you rather a company went burst costing 100% of jobs?

[YHallSaint]

Lots of well run businesses will have went bust in the last 18 monts or so especially in the construction sector and especially any involved in house building. Even if a company doesn't go bust it tends to go down to its bare bones with either staff redundancies or cutting hours to stay afloat. I work in construction and have been paid off 3 times in the last 3 years because projects have stopped including going to my work one day on a Friday to find out a site with 250 new house was being stopped and everyone was out of a job and even now my work is in Kilmarnock which from Broxburn is a fair trek.

The problem started years ago when money was being handed out like it didn't matter and the problem will go on for years to come.

Good luck Rebel in your job hunt, im starting a 10 month project on a wind farm in Pitlochry in a few weeks, dont know if their will be need for brickies but will find out for ya

[101 Saint]

You talk in one breath about well run business, then go on to say "money being handed out like it didn't matter".

Folk were talking far too much money out of house building and trades in general, it had to end sometime. It may well be cyclical though, because some folk will re-train, the housing market will pick up and there will be another derth of tradesmen. Stupid money will be piad all over again.

[YHallSaint]

When I say money being handed out i meant to people loans, mortgages, credit cards etc. The banks could no longer hand out mortgages so no new houses getting built. Alot of flats seem to be getting built in Glasgow and Stirling which are shared equity. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion but at least its getting our tradesmen back in jobs

[101 Saint]

When I say money being handed out i meant to people loans, mortgages, credit cards etc. The banks could no longer hand out mortgages so no new houses getting built. Alot of flats seem to be getting built in Glasgow and Stirling which are shared equity. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion but at least its getting our tradesmen back in jobs

Right, apologies. Dead right about credit. Worrying times for folk in debt.

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

Why? It's a fact. My job is not secure at the moment. Half decent chance of getting punted. Facts of life, sunshine. Would you rather a company went burst costing 100% of jobs?

Dont need to know any facts of life from you am afraid. Got a secure job, worked my way up from the bottom.
Just a hollow thing to say on a thread where 200 lost there job and have the cold comfort of knowing that hard working people are irrelevant. If you do get payed off tell the social that ur irrelevant, am sure they will help you greatly

[101 Saint]

Dont need to know any facts of life from you am afraid. Got a secure job, worked my way up from the bottom.

Congratulations! The unemployed will sleep easy at night knowing how successful you are:roll:

Just a hollow thing to say on a thread where 200 lost there job and have the cold comfort of knowing that hard working people are irrelevant. If you do get payed off tell the social that ur irrelevant, am sure they will help you greatly
Why would I tell them I'm irrelevant? It's stating the obvious and in itself would appear irrelevant. Most employees are irrelevant in a company, irrespective of rhetoric.

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

didnt u say on another thread that saints dont need tv money, in a downturn they should say no to that income. Again, another foolish thing. You say one thing one day and then another the next. Or just what thread suits you. Just say the company you work for was offered work for money and didnt take it and as a result you lost your job, would you complain ?? Or cheer.

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

Congratulations! The unemployed will sleep easy at night knowing how successful you are:roll:


Why would I tell them I'm irrelevant? It's stating the obvious and in itself would appear irrelevant. Most employees are irrelevant in a company, irrespective of rhetoric.

But the company i work for is trading well, employing people, and making profits that they share, were employing people. Or do you prefer to see people lose there job ?

[101 Saint]

didnt u say on another thread that saints dont need tv money, in a downturn they should say no to that income. Again, another foolish thing. You say one thing one day and then another the next. Or just what thread suits you. Just say the company you work for was offered work for money and didnt take it and as a result you lost your job, would you complain ?? Or cheer.

You're really struggling here, aren't you?

What I said is that the game doesn't need TV and ain't no better for the TV money. If the others take it, we must also; that's obvious. It would benefit Saints, and the national game, if less money were involved.

Your penultimate sentence doesn't warrant a response.

[101 Saint]

But the company i work for is trading well, employing people, and making profits that they share, were employing people. Or do you prefer to see people lose there job ?

What is the point of the above sentence? My comment about shedding staff was clearly relating to companies who are experiencing a downturn. If your crowd are seeing steady or increased profit, I don't see an obvious reason why they should shed staff.

I have no problem with certain folk losing their job. Too many Monday sickies and thieving goes on in the workplace and if those folk get sacked, too bad. Decent hard workers getting sacked is an awful thing and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

doesn't it ? Well you mentioned saints, a well run club cutting its cloth. You said to take a huge chunk of income out. Meaning massive job cuts. And sadly am not struggling at all. Am rather relaxed about the whole situation

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

What is the point of the above sentence? My comment about shedding staff was clearly relating to companies who are experiencing a downturn. If your crowd are seeing steady or increased profit, I don't see an obvious reason why they should shed staff.

I have no problem with certain folk losing their job. Too many Monday sickies and thieving goes on in the workplace and if those folk get sacked, too bad. Decent hard workers getting sacked is an awful thing and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Who says your a decent hard working type, maybe thats why the dark cloud is looming over your head.

[101 Saint]

doesn't it ? Well you mentioned saints, a well run club cutting its cloth. You said to take a huge chunk of income out. Meaning massive job cuts. And sadly am not struggling at all. Am rather relaxed about the whole situation

We are a well run club. We are cutting back on expenditure. Taking away the TV dosh would not lead to job cuts, it would lead to a cut in expenditure and ultimately the average SPL wage would be reduced.

[101 Saint]

Who says your a decent hard working type, maybe thats why the dark cloud is looming over your head.

It's irrelevant what my bosses think of my working performance. I've never claimed to be decent or hard working.

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

It's irrelevant what my bosses think of my working performance. I've never claimed to be decent or hard working.

When you say job cuts are looming then am sure your bosses will want the hard working types to stay so its very relevant what they think, dont you think.

[1884]

The CON-DEM government does not have a mandate to rule over Scottish people in Scotland.

:laugh:

Do they have a mandate to govern the UK?:roll:

Sorry, my post should have read 'The people of Scotland have not given the CON-DEM government a mandate to rule over Scottish people in Scotland.'

Does UK stand for Utopia Killer?

[1884]

In what way? Most of the folk I know in their 40s and 50s live comfortable lives. Nice homes, low interest rates, newish cars and holiday at least once a year.

Do you think all that is because of the Thatcher years or in spite of them?

Perhaps we should we ask the 6 million+ unemployed during her governance, or the redundant miners/steelworkers/car manufacturers/clothing manufacturers etc, the once proud owners of the homes that were repossessed because of negative equity and interest rates at 13.9%...

Yes, things are bad now but the current situation (as it is - it will get worse with the Coalition government) is only the tip of the iceberg that was the Thatcher years.

Thatcher and her government bled this country dry. She even took away my free school milk.:sad:

[101 Saint]

Do you think all that is because of the Thatcher years or in spite of them?
Because of her and her plans.

Perhaps we should we ask the 6 million+ unemployed during her governance, or the redundant miners/steelworkers/car manufacturers/clothing manufacturers etc,
These industries didn't die because of Thatcher, even someone as fervently anti-Tory as you can't think that!
I only know three people with real coal fires - two are millioanaires.
Steel - many factors involved there, but ultimately labour costs are too high in this country
Car workers - we produced awful cars at a high cost. Would you buy a Rover or a Jag?
Clothing - again, we can't compete with sweat shops. Perhaps, in a fantasy world of no sweat shops, we'd have a chance - in reallity our lazy attitude would probably be prohibitive.

the once proud owners of the homes that were repossessed because of negative equity and interest rates at 13.9%...
Interest rates are gonna go up again and we'll be in the same predicament. It's directly related to yon hingy called boom and bust whichy Gordon Brown eradicated from the bowels of the House of Commons:oops:

Yes, things are bad now but the current situation (as it is - it will get worse with the Coalition government) is only the tip of the iceberg that was the Thatcher years.
Things may be worse, oinly this time there are few outside influences. Brown and Blair are just as scummy as Brookes, Angelo and the crooks of Dens. Probably the sort of folk that would pay £250,000 for Leigh G.

[1884]

Because of her and her plans.



Interest rates are gonna go up again and we'll be in the same predicament. It's directly related to yon hingy called boom and bust whichy Gordon Brown eradicated from the bowels of the House of Commons:oops:


Things may be worse, oinly this time there are few outside influences.

I am no Labour apologist but these are probably the most naive comments you've ever posted on this forum!:shock:

[Broggy Man]

Some facts first. I lived through the Thatcher years. I have always worked. I have served in the UK armed forces. I don't know whether independence would be good or bad.

My view however is taxes would rise under an Independent Scottish Government as centralized services would need to be relocated to Scotland and paid for. I am not saying that is a bad thing many more countries pay higher visible taxes than we do and indeed hidden taxes also. This could be reduced by removing second tier government ie local councils. In a country our size there is no need to have two tier government 8 chief constables 8 NHS trusts etc. So the opportunity to reorganize the country's structure may indeed be a good one.

Where does our income come from. Income based taxes, spending based taxes and business based taxes.

So do we have enough workers to fund a government. If you look at the figures available our unemployment rate sits between 4.1% and 8.1% depending on how you manipulate the figures. The English rates are around 4.1% and 6.7%. So not a great deal of difference there.

Spending taxes VAT airport etc etc are pretty much based on population which is problematic for Scotland having dramatically less people. however this maybe countered by the suggestion above of removing renationalized government and major services like health police etc.

lastly business taxes and this is where of course the oil argument jumps in. My understanding is that oil from territorial waters is owned by the country concerned and contracts require to be signed for the removal of that. Also any oil that is landed in that country provides a further income. It also provides Jobs etc. We have a pretty strong whiskey industry which provides product and taxation. Tourism provides jobs, income based on spending and it is considered in most circles a product.

Now considering 25% of Scottish people are employed in the public sector as opposed to 74% private reducing the two tiered government and service structure would cause dramatic unemployment. Considering there are only 2,4 million people that actually work and pay taxes in Scotland any reduction would cause any government a major funding problem.

in short over a quarter of us work in the public sector which only 1.8 million of us not reliant on government employment. Doesn't make pretty reading does it.

Oil is a bonus and should be used as something that will not always be there and WILL run out. We would have to be able to sustain our country based on taxation and product it is easy to see we cannot.

[101 Saint]

I am no Labour apologist but these are probably the most naive comments you've ever posted on this forum!:shock:

A statement without reason, is like sex without the orgasm.

Why is it naive? Debate woman, don't just slate.

[1884]

A statement without reason, is like sex without the orgasm.

Why is it naive? Debate woman, don't just slate.

I wasn't meaning to slate you. I feel you have a very blinkered view of the Thatcher government. Yes, I wish Scotland would have the balls to gain her independence but at the same time I have no choice but to be governed by this CON-DEM coalition. They have 4 years to prove me wrong - let's hope they do. On a personal note, myself and my family have been better off under a Labour government than under the Thatcher/Tory government.

Do you think the Tories (under Thatcher) got everything right and nothing wrong?

I thank Thatcher (yes, that was painful) for bringing in the 'Right to Buy' - that was good for me personally, but has created it's own housing problems in the current climate...

[101 Saint]

I wasn't meaning to slate you. I feel you have a very blinkered view of the Thatcher government. Yes, I wish Scotland would have the balls to gain her independence but at the same time I have no choice but to be governed by this CON-DEM coalition. They have 4 years to prove me wrong - let's hope they do. On a personal note, myself and my family have been better off under a Labour government than under the Thatcher/Tory government.

Do you think the Tories (under Thatcher) got everything right and nothing wrong?

I thank Thatcher (yes, that was painful) for bringing in the 'Right to Buy' - that was good for me personally, but has created it's own housing problems in the current climate...
Of course mistakes were made under Thatcher!

The Right to Buy, I would suggest, enabled you and yours to prosper under the last administration. Had you purchased a private house, post-1997, your lifetsyle may be very different now.

I suggest the problems we now have with council properties would be far greater were it not for Right to Buy as we'd be maintaining far more properties - many of which are willfully or ignorantly neglected.

[mainstand]

Of course mistakes were made under Thatcher!

The Right to Buy, I would suggest, enabled you and yours to prosper under the last administration. Had you purchased a private house, post-1997, your lifetsyle may be very different now.

I suggest the problems we now have with council properties would be far greater were it not for Right to Buy as we'd be maintaining far more properties - many of which are willfully or ignorantly neglected.

Were you even out of nappies when Thatcher was about???

I was one of those that was affected by Thatcher and her polcies, leaving school after 6 years and being unable to find a job for over 18 months during which time my father and brother in law were also unemployed. Going to the dole every second Thursday to sign on and trying desperately to get work with over 300 applications.

As it turned out I eventully got a job working in the public sector, just a stop gap until I found something better/ In September I will have been 26 years working for the Department. Thank god Thatcher is away but you just wonder if what we have now is Thatcher in a suit god help us now with the projected cuts.

[ryangordon86]

in short over a quarter of us work in the public sector which only 1.8 million of us not reliant on government employment. Doesn't make pretty reading does it.


Is that based on every person in Scotland being of working age?

Surely there's not that many!

[saint in exile]

Is that based on every person in Scotland being of working age?

Surely there's not that many!

Indeed there is.Cnuts are going to get slaughtered,about time too

[mainstand]

Indeed there is.Cnuts are going to get slaughtered,about time too

Obviously someone who has not got a clue about what folk that work in the public sector do and what the vast majority get paid or perhaps you do and you can epand on your remark

Remember public sector covers nurses, bin men, police etc etc.

[saint in exile]

Why do the police get to retire on ridiculously high pensions after 30 years service when private sector workers will now have to work until they are well over 65
18 teachers have been sacked for being incompetent in the last 40years!
I`m not saying all civil servants are bad at their jobs,some are very good.BUT there are so so many of them that are awful at their jobs and are paid far too much for the privilege

[mainstand]

Why do the police get to retire on ridiculously high pensions after 30 years service when private sector workers will now have to work until they are well over 65

Probably cause you would struggle at 55 or 60 chasing about a yob etc,

Why call public sector workers cnunts??

Something happens to you you immediately call on them if ill nurse and doctor, crash etc the polis.

it is not the workers faults they signed up to the pension arrangements when they joined and in many cases earn a lot less than private sector employeees.

[saint in exile]

Probably cause you would struggle at 55 or 60 chasing about a yob etc,

Why call public sector workers cnunts??

Something happens to you you immediately call on them if ill nurse and doctor, crash etc the polis.

it is not the workers faults they signed up to the pension arrangements when they joined and in many cases earn a lot less than private sector employeees.

Can`t recall the last time i saw a policman chasing a `yob`.I will still be doing a very physical job in my 50s because i have no choice.
Ofcourse i would call the police(not that i ever have) or a doctor thats what you pay your taxes and national insurance for!
Earn a lot less....bollocks

[mainstand]

Earn a lot less....bollocks

I know how much a lot of my staff earn and they would get the same rate for working cleaning the loos as they so for making billions of pounds worth of payments.

[ANDY5565]

civil servants are the same all over...cushy numbers..meglos..who hold the stamp or key to your happiness..corruption is common..favour for a favour..contracts are signed by local authorites in exchange of a fat enveloppe..biggest mafia going..fuque them i say.

[mainstand]

civil servants are the same all over...cushy numbers..meglos..who hold the stamp or key to your happiness..corruption is common..favour for a favour..contracts are signed by local authorites in exchange of a fat enveloppe..biggest mafia going..fuque them i say.

Ha ha you talk so much bull that it is quite laughable.

[ANDY5565]

Bad times all round and its going to get worse before it gets better..be smart and dont be spending as you dont know where the next coin is comming from

For such a small toon...too many looking for the same job...competion will be hard...would reccomend to youngsters to have several trades for back up

Easier said than done....... Try just even getting one, very few opportunities these days

go into the civil service..life time gaurenteed job..great pension schemes..seldom you work week ends..might get lucky and get a job in local authority and then you can accept bribes for according contracts and liciences

[ANDY5565]

Ha ha you talk so much bull that it is quite laughable.

where when and how mister white collar

[O'Rourke]

I don't work in the civil service or local authority and can say without fear of just contradiction that there are an awful lot more good decent individuals in those organisations than bad.

A very small minority very unfairly give them a bad rep!

[ANDY5565]

a minority makes a big diffrence..one rotten apple in the barril as the saying goes

[ANDY5565]

be getting worst with the crisis

[mainstand]

go into the civil service..life time gaurenteed job..great pension schemes..seldom you work week ends..might get lucky and get a job in local authority and then you can accept bribes for according contracts and liciences

At least give facts to back up your arguement, in aswer to teh false points raised above:

1, No job for life
2. Nothing guaranteed, also a strict one year probation,
3, Pension scheme is not as good for new recruits and also being reviewed at present.
4. You are wrong though there are numerous staff that have to work weekends and be on call at weekends.
5, school boy error local authority staff are not civil servants,

[ANDY5565]

same guff..there the ones who give the approve all...in exchange for what..a sense of duty..dinnae kid me the school boy..im a skiver..fuque the systems is what i say

[mainstand]

I don't work in the civil service or local authority and can say without fear of just contradiction that there are an awful lot more good decent individuals in those organisations than bad.

A very small minority very unfairly give them a bad rep!

I have been in the Civil Service for 25 years and the changes in that time are incredible and I totally agree that there will be a few bad apples but you get that everywhere.

[mainstand]

same guff..there the ones who give the approve all...in exchange for what..a sense of duty..dinnae kid me the school boy..im a skiver..fuque the systems is what i say

whatever!!!!

[ANDY5565]

Yeah and i stick to my honest principles...something i always have had
i can look myself in the mirror evry morning when i shave and say..Dude your one fuquing gunho nutter of a misfit..and proud to be

[saint in exile]

I know how much a lot of my staff earn and they would get the same rate for working cleaning the loos as they so for making billions of pounds worth of payments.

Your workers get paid £6-£7 an hour?Not so much getting at the lower paid workers.It`s more the rates of pay and conditions of teachers,policeman etc get.Can`t be justified and their pensions cost the country a fortune,a lot more than the bank bail out.
Just had a teacher at my sons school retire at 56.He was a terrible teacher but despite that was paid a very good wage and gets to retire at a relatively young age with a very good pension and lump sum.Who do you think pays for his pension?I have seen MANY examples of this.The country cannot afford it....the gravy train is over...

[Kevin]

Ha ha you talk so much bull that it is quite laughable.

I think he is talking about the French civil service MS, from my experience of them!!

[ancientsaint]

Your workers get paid £6-£7 an hour?Not so much getting at the lower paid workers.It`s more the rates of pay and conditions of teachers,policeman etc get.Can`t be justified and their pensions cost the country a fortune,a lot more than the bank bail out.
Just had a teacher at my sons school retire at 56.He was a terrible teacher but despite that was paid a very good wage and gets to retire at a relatively young age with a very good pension and lump sum.Who do you think pays for his pension?I have seen MANY examples of this.The country cannot afford it....the gravy train is over...

Not a teacher - but how can you criticise the individual teacher over a "contracted deal" that probably occurred over 30 years ago and was "rubber stamped" at the time when there was a lack of teachers.

His/her contract would have been for a certain period with a final lump salary and pension AGREED at the time between employers/unions/government and not the employee.

It was the way of things back then-when there were shortages in Teaching-Fire-Prison and Police services -no one knew what would happen with the "pension funds" or banks finances.

Mistakes were made and attempts to reduce "pensions" etc...but these "deals" were binding in law . Not the teachers fault.

Nowadays with the state pension being increased to 65-70 and probably beyond-it takes away opportunities for "young-middle aged folk (and old) to get employment.

[ANDY5565]

I think he is talking about the French civil service MS, from my experience of them!!

nope..same merde with a different accent..at least the FRENCH functionnairs have their own security social..they pay their own dues..i was part of it for a while when i was in the LEGION..and im intitled now to 2 pensions..maybe 3 if i work my cards right..after leaving the army i worked in the agriculture sector and they have their own "REGIME SPECIAL"..must get some work done in the "REGIME GENERAL"..and that will get me my third..1800 euros plus rent allowance of 350euros+i get 100 per month for my laddie..why do i wanna still come back to SCOTLAND/PERTH..to get some work and qualify for my BRITISH pension..wont be asking for much..i'll make dae with the minimum...then im off to MONACO..french speaking EUROPEAN STATE who have to comply with european laws..rent for my gaff here is near 400...MONACO..same size...2000..just near the exit of the tunnel where the Formula 1 runs...use the system to beat the system..wasnt me who made it..still cant vote...dinnae fuquing want to anyway..and its all 100% Legal

[THE REBEL SAINT]

STV news tonight says Clachan may be sold on in the near future!!!

[101 Saint]

STV news tonight says Clachan may be sold on in the near future!!!

To the former directors that allegedly took the cash and fecked off? Are they getting it for less than £100K each?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

To the former directors that allegedly took the cash and fecked off? Are they getting it for less than £100K each?

Good question,but i doubt it very much as they have a lot of emenies in Perth now.!!!!

[SlickDT]

Seems to be the norm now, take every penny you can out a company, screw its creditors and staff and then restart things a fresh a wee while later. Legal it may be, moral it is not.

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

Seems to be the norm now, take every penny you can out a company, screw its creditors and staff and then restart things a fresh a wee while later. Legal it may be, moral it is not.

Saddest thing is---- its legal. Has been for years. Why ??
Whats being done to stop it ? nothing

[Aitchy]

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[saintee4life]

Do you think all that is because of the Thatcher years or in spite of them?

Perhaps we should we ask the 6 million+ unemployed during her governance, or the redundant miners/steelworkers/car manufacturers/clothing manufacturers etc, the once proud owners of the homes that were repossessed because of negative equity and interest rates at 13.9%...

Yes, things are bad now but the current situation (as it is - it will get worse with the Coalition government) is only the tip of the iceberg that was the Thatcher years.

Thatcher and her government bled this country dry. She even took away my free school milk.:sad:Who in their right mind would keep a business going if it wasnt making money? All these things were closed because they were not competitive and loss making, it was far easier to ship in coal and steel from abroad

[saintee4life]

Ha ha you talk so much bull that it is quite laughable.No i think andy hit the nail on the head

[Fair City Saint]

I heard a week ago and have since heard a few more times that Ann Gloag is looking into purchasing Clachan.

[ANDY5565]

Better than no one

[ANDY5565]

Who has the contract to build the Drew Rutheford buildings in fair view 16 lodgments?

[Wish i was Joe McGurn]

Who has the contract to build the Drew Rutheford buildings in fair view 16 lodgments?

They are built

[ANDY5565]

who by?

[mainstand]

No i think andy hit the nail on the head

Saintee4life we will beg to differ as the civil service I have worked in for 25 years is nothing like the one he describes. Have you worked in teh civil service and seen a place like that?

[saintee4life]

Saintee4life we will beg to differ as the civil service I have worked in for 25 years is nothing like the one he describes. Have you worked in teh civil service and seen a place like that?No i`m self-employed but my nephew works in the perth council offices and told me what its like. Guys at the top gettin huge salaries for doin feck all

[mainstand]

No i`m self-employed but my nephew works in the perth council offices and told me what its like. Guys at the top gettin huge salaries for doin feck all

So he is not a civil servant. The reference from andy related to civil Servants.

Your nephew is a obviously a council worker, I don;t know about the huge salaries and doing feck all.

[saintee4life]

So he is not a civil servant. The reference from andy related to civil Servants.

Your nephew is a obviously a council worker, I don;t know about the huge salaries and doing feck all.Come on man you cant be blind its a well known fact that the majority of council office workers in this country have got some of the cushiest jobs goin.Posts get created higher up the ladder to accomodate boys and their friends

[saintee4life]

So he is not a civil servant. The reference from andy related to civil Servants.

Your nephew is a obviously a council worker, I don;t know about the huge salaries and doing feck all. I will give you another one. My mate is a postie[civil servant] spens a lot of his shift sleeping in his lorry or his shift is supposed to finish at a certain time and hes home and finished an hour or so earlier. They have a cheek to go out on strike aswell, laughable

[mainstand]

Come on man you cant be blind its a well known fact that the majority of council office workers in this country have got some of the cushiest jobs goin.Posts get created higher up the ladder to accomodate boys and their friends

I will give you another one. My mate is a postie[civil servant] spens a lot of his shift sleeping in his lorry or his shift is supposed to finish at a certain time and hes home and finished an hour or so earlier. They have a cheek to go out on strike aswell, laughable

Posties are not civil servants either. as for Council workers I honestly haven;t heard that from friends I know that work in local authority.

If you think it is that bad go and see your councillor, it is them that vreate new posts.

Iam telling you what I know of where I work and it is nothing like you seem to think, but it seems to be the way with those that work in the private sector or are self employed in that they think they are the only ones that work.

[saintee4life]

Posties are not civil servants either. as for Council workers I honestly haven;t heard that from friends I know that work in local authority.

If you think it is that bad go and see your councillor, it is them that vreate new posts.

Iam telling you what I know of where I work and it is nothing like you seem to think, but it seems to be the way with those that work in the private sector or are self employed in that they think they are the only ones that work.
As far as i'm led to believe posties are civil servants. As far as your self-employed comment goes that aint the case at all.

[Dr Christmas Jones]

I heard on the grapevine that another two large Scottish company's within the construction industry were struggling at the moment.

[O'Rourke]

I heard on the grapevine that another two large Scottish company's within the construction industry were struggling at the moment.

there's more than two :shock:

[Dr Christmas Jones]

there's more than two :shock:There is a few,but for how long.What with councils cutting back,the non house building firms were relying on new schools,hospitals,dental and doctor surgery's being built.Not anymore.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

I heard a week ago and have since heard a few more times that Ann Gloag is looking into purchasing Clachan.

Heard this yesterday from a good source!!!!!!!

[Fair City Saint]

Heard this yesterday from a good source!!!!!!!

I heard from a very important source too.

[mainstand]

I see Connaught have announced that they are in financial difficulties. Trying to raise urgent money from lenders.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Spittal & Mcglashan the painters have now ceased trading due to the money due to them by Clachan & Torith Construction!!!!!!!!

[john.w]

Sad to hear about Spittal & McGlashan I remember them and McKay the painters away back from when I was an apprentice circa 1955/1960 top firms. The saddest part is when an old established firm gets dragged down by the dealings of some bunch of numptys no justice !!

[mainstand]

I see Connaught have announced that they are in financial difficulties. Trying to raise urgent money from lenders.

Now called in KPMG as receivers.

[ancientsaint]

Now called in KPMG as receivers.

Morgan Sindall have taken over some of the contracts and around 2500 staff....not known how many being kept on in Scotland though.

[mainstand]

Although not a construction company, I was speaking to a owner of acompany taht does embroidery of badges etc, he was telling us that Akexandria workwear had gone down the tubes leaving him £16k out of pocket. Had a to lay a lassie off. alexandria have now been taken over by an American company who contacted him a week later to see if he would like to continue doing business with them. Wonder how many sub contractors etc will be in the same position and just have to bite the bullet and take the work.

[101 Saint]

Although not a construction company, I was speaking to a owner of acompany taht does embroidery of badges etc, he was telling us that Akexandria workwear had gone down the tubes leaving him £16k out of pocket. Had a to lay a lassie off. alexandria have now been taken over by an American company who contacted him a week later to see if he would like to continue doing business with them. Wonder how many sub contractors etc will be in the same position and just have to bite the bullet and take the work.

When did Alexandria go tits up?

[mainstand]

When did Alexandria go tits up?

July and parts of it were bought in late August.

[ali]

Sad to hear about Spittal & McGlashan I remember them and McKay the painters away back from when I was an apprentice circa 1955/1960 top firms. The saddest part is when an old established firm gets dragged down by the dealings of some bunch of numptys no justice !!
hi my grandad was victor mcglashan the other half of spittal and mcglashan i have been doing the family tree and would be glad of any info if you can rember anything my gran sold the business in 1985 thanks in advanced ali