Saints vs. Raith Rovers 15/08/06

[Radford 72]

Any thoughts on this game? Anyone actually going?

The main issue for me is whether we stick with (virtually) the same side to give them more game time, or keep the fringe players up to speed with a run out. Will Sheridan and James be "injured" again? Any news on Ruti's knock, looked like ankle ligaments possibly.

Finding it difficult to put a line-up together, hopefully that's a good thing!

[lethamsaintee]

im going, like you suggested i fancy shezza and le freak to be injured, possibly a start for young?
and a start for peaso maybe?

[blueheaven]

I reckon it'll be...

______________Halliwell

___Anderson___McManus____James

Lawrie__Hardie__Mensing__Sheerin__Stanic

__________Peaso____Scotland

Subs: Cuthbert, Dyer, Young, Milne, Jackson

[Mr Spoons]

I'll be there. We really should be trying to win this cup so I believe we should pick our strongest side. Assuming Ruti is out I'd go:

Halliwell
Mensing McManus James
Stevenson Hardie Sheridan Young Stanic
MacDonald Scotland

But I'd go along with playing the Cat in goals, and Jackson up front if Coyle wants to keep them sharp.

[MUZZ]

will be there with squire :twisted:

[LewGti]

I will be there. I got the day off to go to a Funeral :( but should make it up to Perth in time. First night game in a while, so looking forward to it. :D

I missed the East Fife game, so whats it like everyone being in the West stand? I take it its the same for this game?

[Tarvie]

Might actually use one of my 'banked' night off passes for this one, just so that I can get to a game before Mrs Tarv gets too big and dependant on my help :wink:

[Radford 72]

Might actually use one of my 'banked' night off passes for this one, just so that I can get to a game before Mrs Tarv gets too big and dependant on my help :wink:
See you for a beer if you do! Let me know!

[Hazel1884]

will be there with squire :twisted:

There only one of that lot coming up? Part timers! :P :wink:

I shall be heading along.

Will wait and see how Ruti is and team news tomorrow before predicting team/formation.

But it's a midweek game - no Sheridan!

[Andy]

The game is live on Radio Scotland and the internet for anyone that cant make it up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/4792161.stm

[Ray Blair]

I was going but now I will listen to it on the radio.Thanks Andy 8)

[Tarvie]

Might actually use one of my 'banked' night off passes for this one, just so that I can get to a game before Mrs Tarv gets too big and dependant on my help :wink:
See you for a beer if you do! Let me know!

False Alarm, but trying to use the pass for Saturday against Hamilton now :wink:

[Scobby_SJFC]

Cant afford to make it up to Perth for this one, cheers did not realise it was on radio!

[Dev]

I was going but now I will listen to it on the radio.Thanks Andy 8)

If you can go to the match you should be going to the match. None of this part-time supporter stuff, it's reduced prices tonight.

Hopefully the Duffster and his staff let me in late, I have a dentist's appointment so I'll miss the start.

[Radford 72]

Hopefully the Duffster and his staff let me in late, I have a dentist's appointment so I'll miss the start.
Probably worth giving them a call! You know what the club are like!

Anyway, Owen's said he's going to make five or six changes with Ando, Stevo, Dyer, Young and Peaso all likely to start. Jacko would've played but is away on U19 international duty with Ireland.

Looks like Raith will be playing some fringe players too and they are trying to get Neil Janczyk on loan! Nae luck! :***:

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Im giving this one a miss. Season ticket (bit of a miss nomer that, should be called league ticket) is not valid so I cant really justify stumping up £10 to watch what sounds like effectivly reserve team football.

[Cagey]

Hopefully the Duffster and his staff let me in late, I have a dentist's appointment so I'll miss the start.
Probably worth giving them a call! You know what the club are like!

Anyway, Owen's said he's going to make five or six changes with Ando, Stevo, Dyer, Young and Peaso all likely to start. Jacko would've played but is away on U19 international duty with Ireland.

Looks like Raith will be playing some fringe players too and they are trying to get Neil Janczyk on loan! Nae luck! :***:

They might hold the game up for you Dev.

Said on t/text last night Raith were hoping to field a new signing. surlely Saints would not let Scrabble go to them on the day of a big cup game & knock us out of a major compitition.

[saint_markperth]

Seeing as i am suspended for the first amatuer game of the season i will make my way up

Think we will line up like this


Halliwell
Mensing McManus James
Stevenson Hardie Sheridan Young Stanic
MacDonald dobbie

Dobbie in last chance saloon tonight,

[Hazel1884]

Will we maybe see Cuthbert start?

Dobbie was told to get himself in physical shape, and judging by the way he's dropped the weight he's on his way to being this so hopefully he will be on the bench tonight! :)

Dyer, Anderson and Young looking likely to start!

[Radford 72]

Dobbie will be nowhere near the squad and Halliwell will be in goal! :P

IMO! :roll:

[StDuncM]

Seeing as i am supsended for the first ammy game of the season i will make my way up



Clarification please? :***:

[mainstand]

Seeing as i am supsended for the first ammy game of the season i will make my way up



Clarification please? :***:

I think he must play amateur football and is suspended for the match tonight.

[18SJHedgieFC84]

I will be at the game tonight. Will probably be my 1 of few mid-week games this season due to work. :(

[Nick]

Line-up likely to be:

Cuthbert

Ando McManus James

Lawrie Stevo Young Sheerin Stanic/dyer

Milne Peaso

:wink: :wink:

[Radford 72]

Line-up likely to be:

Cuthbert

Ando McManus James

Lawrie Stevo Young Sheerin Stanic/dyer

Milne Peaso

:wink: :wink:
Strange that he's decided to leave Jason out, assume he has a knock. Glad Kevin James is playing to look after Armand One and glad Andy Lawrie is getting more game time.

Can't believe we're putting midget back in a goal though. :x

[Hazel1884]

Halliwell will be in goal! :P

What's that Radford????! :roll: :P

[Radford 72]

What's that Radford????! :roll: :P
Coyle must go.

[Hazel1884]

What's that Radford????! :roll: :P
Coyle must go.

Wahey! :***:

Hopefully a few players will grab their chance tonight!

I thought we were in two stands tonight up until this afternoon! :(

[Tranmere Saintee]

Can't believe we're putting midget back in a goal though. :x

I know an inch can make a big difference in certain areas :roll: but how you can call a guy of 6ft a midget when his replacement is only 1 inch taller is beyond me :?

[dave mc]

1 down One for them

[Broggy Man]

1-1 milne

[dave mc]

1-1 Savo :***:

[dave mc]

B****r,Broagy :***:

[Broggy Man]

B****r,Broagy :***:

Speed is everything dave

[dave mc]

1-1 Half time

[Scobby_SJFC]

Any word on how we are playing, need I ask as it sounds grim?

[Broggy Man]

Listening on the radio shaky first 10 then seemed to get into gear but foot off the gas later on

[garydavidson]

only booking of the game so far is sheerin according to sky sports

[Scobby_SJFC]

Entertainment it says on Radio Scotland

Billy Kirkwood and Jimmy Calderwood!

[Scobby_SJFC]

McDonald missed a stitter on the break, sounds bad at the back though, Cuthbert at crosses :shock:

[Scobby_SJFC]

At least its 2-0 Forfar!

[Broggy Man]

plastic whistle oot

[Broggy Man]

Meadowbank heading oot as well

[shandon saint]

stevenson off.... straight red. Harsh according to the radio...

[Scobby_SJFC]

Forgot how bad listening to St Johnstone is on the radio, every break sounds bad, hate the way the crowd react before the commentator

STEVENSON SENT OFF

COYLE GET RID OF HIM !!!!!

[Broggy Man]

Stevenson off well probably not miss him

[Scobby_SJFC]

Raith will be on top now!!

ET will be our best hope I think!

[Calypso Kid]

He is a useless git. I don't see what the attraction is with him. sounds like the ref is a bit card happy right enough!

[Scobby_SJFC]

Why are we drawing with divison 2 PART TIMERS APPAULING !!!

[Broggy Man]

I think scobby you are kidding yourself if you think the gap is that big between us and the second division

[jinky]

So?

Not a disaster by any means. If it was the cis cup or scottish cup i would be unhappy. Coyle has made 7 changes and were drawing, not ideal, but not too bad.

Not over till the fat lady sings as they say

[shandon saint]

heading for extra time.

It is quite good being able to listen to the game on the radio, it has been a while since saints have been the game of the day!

[jinky]

heading for extra time.

It is quite good being able to listen to the game on the radio, it has been a while since saints have been the game of the day!

Not if both real player and media player dont let u!!!! Stupid BT trying to block things on the web :evil:

[Calypso Kid]

This is unbearable. It's bad enough listening to Jimmy Calderwood's nasal drone and that fat Paisley gimp patronise us but the realisation that saints are getting pumped by a bunch of Juniors is just too much for me. Mon the loons!

[Scobby_SJFC]

The gap isnt that big, but surely if we have SPL ambition we should be looking to beat the likes of Raith Rovers!

[shandon saint]

heading for extra time.

It is quite good being able to listen to the game on the radio, it has been a while since saints have been the game of the day!

Not if both real player and media player dont let u!!!! Stupid BT trying to block things on the web :evil:

just turn on the radio then! :D It might be old fashioned but it is working!! :D

[Scobby_SJFC]

Just a though with Livy, Dundee and PT surely a chance to win this competition!

C'mon Sainteeees

[Scobby_SJFC]

out*

[Calypso Kid]

I agree Scobby. As rubbish and diddyish(?) as it is i think we deserve a big day out. Don't see us winning the Scottish or league cups so this is probably our best chance this season. Is that raj Mcmanus playing tonight? His ankle tag will be beeping away if he is!

[sainteesrule]

JAMES BOOYA!

[shandon saint]

2-1 ... kevin james! thank feck!!

[Scobby_SJFC]

2-1 James!!!!!

SAINTESSSS

[dave mc]

2-1 james

[jinky]

heading for extra time.

It is quite good being able to listen to the game on the radio, it has been a while since saints have been the game of the day!

Not if both real player and media player dont let u!!!! Stupid BT trying to block things on the web :evil:

just turn on the radio then! :D It might be old fashioned but it is working!! :D

the batteries i had in it died :(

[Broggy Man]

2-1 James

[Scobby_SJFC]

I love the freaks!!

Should we sit in and counter or try and keep some attacking going?

[Calypso Kid]

Think we should try assert our authority and have a late goal fest. With guys like sheerin and anderson in our side we should be hitting them for six or seven. Ahem.

[Broggy Man]

Playing 4-3-2 about as good as you can now Mooner is on but I havent heard his name yet

[Broggy Man]

anderson in our side we should be hitting them for six or seven. Ahem.


Anderson :shock: :shock:

[Scobby_SJFC]

Fotheringham sounds like he's endearing himself to the Perth locals!

[Scobby_SJFC]

HT ET 2-1

[Calypso Kid]

Was trying to be sarcastic there broggy. Sorry. Eethie is on so the goal fest is about to begin, i can feel it in my loins!
Fotheringham might be a bit podgy but i though he was a pretty solid full back. Gave it his all every game anyway. Stevenson take note.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Coyle on for Dorris injury I think

[Scobby_SJFC]

3-1 Milne

[Ali91]

3-1 savo

[Broggy Man]

3-1 Milne

[Broggy Man]

2 goal savo I hope that boosts his confidence a bit

[Scobby_SJFC]

Is the 2nd round still regionlised?

[Broggy Man]

Wtf where did the match online go

[Calypso Kid]

Savo will score for fun against teams like Raith. He should be the same against most of the 1st Div teams too. How long was he injured for last season? Even when he wasn't 100% he was still looking dangerous so i don't have any probs with him. Still think Peaso is 1st choice though.

[Broggy Man]

Full time 3-1

[Scobby_SJFC]

3-1 FT

2nd round draw at least!
Bring on Dundee, oh wait they are out, GOOD NIGHT !!!!

[Calypso Kid]

I'd take a bum tweaking 3-1 win each week. Least the punters got value for money by the sounds of it. Jimmy Calderwood almost changed voice tone at one point it was THAT exciting!!

[lethamsaintee]

not long back from the game.
we played ok in patches.
ref was a total ****, "missed" at least 5 or 6 bad challenges by the raith rovers players.
anyway, glad we are through :D

[Cagey]

Made hard work of it tonight but Raith had a few good pro`s in their team including that thug Fotheringham who should have gone off with Stevo.

Savo & Peaso are not the answer up front as they don`t link. I thought Doris did more in the first 10 mins he was on than Peaso did all the time he was on.

I thought the goal was an Anderson OG but neither he nor Cuthbert covered themselves in glory at the goal.

Still it was a good workout for a few & guys like Dyer & Anderson did well to last 120 mins.

[templeofsaints]

Decent enough performances considering the shift in tactics to 4-4-2 and the changes to the team.

Raith rarely threatened although the ref was obviously trying to help them as much as possible (how the feck did he miss the kick on Dyer's head by their no 10 :evil: :?: :!: ). The red card was harsh but possibly deserved (not that we missed Stevenson much) although Fotheringham should also have walked.

Temple Reports up now - I didn't think Cuthbert could do much for the goal - Anderson should have got a challenge in but also McManus should have been back covering. Both had a decent game after that and elsewhere Mensing, Savo and Sheerin were on form again.

Biggest disappointment was Peaso - didn't link well with Savo although at times the support from the right flank was non-existent.

Wouldn't be a Saints cup run with a dodgy extra-time win against lower-league oppo though would it?

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Was'nt there but we went with a 4-4-2 and I heard looked a much better team in places *strokes chin*....interesting......interesting.....very interesting.....

[LewGti]

What did everyone think of Sheerin`s free kicks and corners. I thought they where much better than Sheridans. Keep Sheerin on them Oweny :wink:

[blueheaven]

Another iffy performance, but again we got the right result so can't complain too much. Thought Savo, Mensing & The Mighty Wiz were our stand-outs, along with - briefly - Doris when he came on. Every time I've seen Doris play for the 1st team I've been really impressed. He wasn't on the pitch long last night but made a huge contribution, and I'm not entirely convinced it's right that he's ranked behind Jackson.I thought Stevenson was contributing a lot too, but was really stupid to get himself sent off in that way. There's no excuse for that.

We were awful at their goal - poor defending all round to allow them the chance, and then some distinctly questionable goalkeeping from Cuthbert to let it in. I felt he hesitated in coming out for it, ended up in No Man's Land, and made it really easy for the striker to lob him. But our goals were really good, and Sheerin's effort that hit the bar would have been an absolute peach had it gone in.

Had we not eventually won, I have to say I think Coyle would have had to shoulder a lot of the blame. I thought he got things seriously wrong and it gave Raith the upper hand in the opening stages. Why (a) play an alien formation in which none of the midfielders seem to know where they're meant to be, and (b) field such a weakened team in the first place? It was a first team game after all, not a reserves match, and I really feel it's important that we try our best to progress in this competition. It's fair enough resting 1 or 2 players (eg Sheridan and another), but by my reckoning there were far too many changes last night.

P.S. Was there really a "technical fault" with the scoreboard or were the club just saving themselves a wee bit of money on their electricity bill? Come on Kevin, you can tell us - we won't spill the beans! :P :wink:

P.P.S. Was loving the music last night - was that a bit of Let Loose I was lucky enough to hear the end of just as I was arriving?

P.P.P.S. Those George Wimpey ads around the side of the pitch are rubbish. What does "Voted 4 stars by our customers" mean? Doesn't "4 stars" generally mean "not quite good enough"? Why would you want to advertise that?

[mainstand]

We were awful at their goal - poor defending all round to allow them the chance, and then some distinctly questionable goalkeeping from Cuthbert to let it in. I felt he hesitated in coming out for it, ended up in No Man's Land, and made it really easy for the striker to lob him. But our goals were really good, and Sheerin's effort that hit the bar would have been an absolute peach had it gone in.


I wish I had a pound for every time that KC has been lobbed. I think his performance for the goal and the attempt he made for a cross in the second half showed why Owen looked for a new keeper. He did, however, make a coupleof fairly good saves in the second half, so credit where credit is due.

As for teh sending off I think the ref got it right with Stevo but wrong with Fotheringham. Both should have been off.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Mabye am being naive but having not hit top gear yet, and being unbeaten can't be bad right!

A good sign?

[SaintSam1884]

The score board has so many faulty or blatantly not working bulbs that you can barely see it the bottom half of it. It wasn't worth while having it on, so they turned it off. It shouldn't be used again until it is fixed.

[LewGti]

Mabye am being naive but having not hit top gear yet, and being unbeaten can't be bad right!

A good sign?

Damn right its a good thing :D :wink:

I would take a crap performance every week if we were winning. Performaces dont win leagues, points do! Sounds bad but its true

[Radford 72]

I wish I had a pound for every time that KC has been lobbed. I think his performance for the goal and the attempt he made for a cross in the second half showed why Owen looked for a new keeper. He did, however, make a couple of fairly good saves in the second half, so credit where credit is due.
You better sit down as I'm about to agree with you. It's ridiculous the number of times he has been lobbed, even this season alone it is three!

His handling is exceptional, he holds almost everything from range, making it look easy and as such not receiving the credit he maybe deserves for that part of his game but his command of the box and constantly leaving himself open to getting lobbed is a joke.

[Radford 72]

Every time I've seen Doris play for the 1st team I've been really impressed. He wasn't on the pitch long last night but made a huge contribution, and I'm not entirely convinced it's right that he's ranked behind Jackson.
Jackson is stronger, faster and far more of a goal threat. I like Doris but he's not on a par with Jackson.

P.P.S. Was loving the music last night - was that a bit of Let Loose I was lucky enough to hear the end of just as I was arriving?
Yeah! I requested that! Cannae beat it! :D

I think "Give It Up" by KC & The Sunshine Band was mine too! :wink:

P.P.P.S. Those George Wimpey ads around the side of the pitch are rubbish. What does "Voted 4 stars by our customers" mean? Doesn't "4 stars" generally mean "not quite good enough"? Why would you want to advertise that?
Agree. They are pish.

[mainstand]

I wish I had a pound for every time that KC has been lobbed. I think his performance for the goal and the attempt he made for a cross in the second half showed why Owen looked for a new keeper. He did, however, make a couple of fairly good saves in the second half, so credit where credit is due.
You better sit down as I'm about to agree with you. It's ridiculous the number of times he has been lobbed, even this season alone it is three!

His handling is exceptional, he holds almost everything from range, making it look easy and as such not receiving the credit he maybe deserves for that part of his game but his command of the box and constantly leaving himself open to getting lobbed is a joke.

Shaking he stands andrubs his face in disbelief!!!!!!!! :***:

Only realised afetr my father and I had slagged him rotten last nigt and said what a useless keeper he was that his missus and family were behind us :oops:

But totally agree Radford he does well handling wise but positioning and anticipation is poor. I just wonder if he doesn't pull up his socks if he could be on his way out.

[Tranmere Saintee]

As for the sending off I think the ref got it right with Stevo but wrong with Fotheringham. Both should have been off.

But what was he sent off for?

Some reports say it was for the tackle, some say for his reaction - have you been privey to the refs report?

[mainstand]

Why do we keep on announcing the scores over the match. It is really annoying :roll:

[Ray Blair]

I think they announced the scores to give everyone a boost cos the scum were losing :***:

[mainstand]

But what was he sent off for?

Some reports say it was for the tackle, some say for his reaction - have you been privey to the refs report?

I assumed it was for the tackle. From what he said after the game he seemed to think that he was sent off for the tackle.

Don't you think his tackle was worthy of a sending off??

[Radford 72]

Don't you think his tackle was worthy of a sending off??
Not at all! I'll be even more annoyed if he was sent off for the tackle.

[Saint Hayley]

Stevos takle was fine was he not sent off for his retaliation to the player that shuved him? Stevo shouldn't off been sent off and like radford id be even more annoyed if he was sent off because of the takel as there was nothing wrong with it.

The ref was a total bawbag hope we never have him as a ref again what i want to know is why the hell was kevin Fortherham no sent off he pulled shirts like 5 times and done a few bad takels and he never got sent off but stevo did what no-one knows why he got sent off for.

Did anyone notice that Mark Campbell managed a game without geting a red card?? :shock:

[1884]

Stevos takle was fine was he not sent off for his retaliation to the player that shuved him? Stevo shouldn't off been sent off and like radford id be even more annoyed if he was sent off because of the takel as there was nothing wrong with it.

The ref was a total bawbag hope we never have him as a ref again what i want to know is why the hell was kevin Fortherham no sent off he pulled shirts like 5 times and done a few bad takels and he never got sent off but stevo did what no-one knows why he got sent off for.

Did anyone notice that Mark Campbell managed a game without geting a red card?? :shock:

Take a breath, lass! :wink:

[Victor]

Take a breath, lass! :wink:
Shes breathless talking about Stevos tackle! :shock:

[blueheaven]

Stevos takle was fine was he not sent off for his retaliation to the player that shuved him? Stevo shouldn't off been sent off and like radford id be even more annoyed if he was sent off because of the takel as there was nothing wrong with it.

How can you acknowledge that he retaliated, and then at the same time say he shouldn't have been sent off? Regardless of whether or not it was a bad tackle, he raised his hands to an opponent so had to go. I don't see how anyone could dispute that.

[Tranmere Saintee]

But what was he sent off for?

Some reports say it was for the tackle, some say for his reaction - have you been privey to the refs report?

I assumed it was for the tackle. From what he said after the game he seemed to think that he was sent off for the tackle.

Don't you think his tackle was worthy of a sending off??

I was simply asking what he was sent off for - if it was retaliation as was reported in most circles then 3 Raith players who also raised their hands should have walked as well.

[mainstand]

I was simply asking what he was sent off for - if it was retaliation as was reported in most circles then 3 Raith players who also raised their hands should have walked as well.

Totally agree Tranmere, how teh ref managed to book 3 Saints players for the pushing and shoving and not all the Raith boys god knows.

I thought the tackle was reckless and dangerous.