View Full Version : Saints vs Gretna 14/10/06
SaintSam1884
12-10-2006, 12:37 PM
Only two days to go and no thread started on the game that I can see!
Im full of doom and gloom for this one I'm afraid. :shock:
I have a bad feeling, shall we say! Injuries aren't being kind to us and this is the type of game we always lose.
I think we're going to beat Gretna. No idea what team we will be playing against with their up and down form, but a 4-0 loss to Dundee and a loss to relegation fodder Airdrie Utd show they are vulnerable.
I'd start with McLaren in the team as they are known to struggle against pace, might also start Peaso up front with Scotland with Milne on the bench if needed.
All in all I'm looking forward to this one as I missed the Gretna cup game last year, hopefully Mileson will be sitting close enough to me to get an earful as well.
StDuncM
12-10-2006, 01:00 PM
Coming up for this one. The last match we saw was the 1-0 reverse last season in the cup when Saints played like a pub side and Gretna were not much better. Hoping for a result and a good game of football.
Howay the lads!
saint_markperth
12-10-2006, 02:05 PM
This game will split the top 3 no matter what happens, we must look to win this game and go top
saint5588
12-10-2006, 02:12 PM
I think that it will be a good game if saints dont sit back and as long as we get the first goal. If gretna get a goal like they did the last time we played them it will just be 11 men playing behind the ball for the rest of the game. I hope both teams try and make a game of it like dundee utd did when they came to perth.
perthsaint1884
12-10-2006, 03:44 PM
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Ronaldo
12-10-2006, 05:15 PM
Gretna are the current media darlings, we've no hope. :wink:
geeza lift ower mister.
12-10-2006, 05:33 PM
The writing was on the wall even before a ball was kicked in last seasons cup tie , this is a different ball game. Even with a weakened side this is one i think we can win and all the fairy tale B******S is doing my head in.
rickardo
12-10-2006, 06:07 PM
The writing was on the wall even before a ball was kicked in last seasons cup tie , this is a different ball game. Even with a weakened side this is one i think we can win and all the fairy tale B******S is doing my head in.
What do you ken about fairys.Are you one yourself :?:
they are a bunch of old hasbeens. play the game at a fast pace and we'll do them.
The writing was on the wall even before a ball was kicked in last seasons cup tie , this is a different ball game. Even with a weakened side this is one i think we can win and all the fairy tale B******S is doing my head in.
What do you ken about fairys.Are you one yourself :?:
i went to gala fairydean once.there was a riot,pitch invasions,saints fan gonna whack there goalie with a big stick and a big nutter gala dude.that wisnae a fairy story either.
lets thump these gretna border clowns on saturday
rickardo
12-10-2006, 06:15 PM
The writing was on the wall even before a ball was kicked in last seasons cup tie , this is a different ball game. Even with a weakened side this is one i think we can win and all the fairy tale B******S is doing my head in.
What do you ken about fairys.Are you one yourself :?:
i went to gala fairydean once.there was a riot,pitch invasions,saints fan gonna whack there goalie with a big stick and a big nutter gala dude.that wisnae a fairy story either.
lets thump these gretna border clowns on saturday
remember it well,waiting to get on the bus under a hail of rocks it was rather silly.(mad bastards)
geeza lift ower mister.
12-10-2006, 07:30 PM
Six busloads went down and it was a right Steffi Graff !!! Pitch invasions, a row with a load of punk,s and me and DMc confronted by a loony wearing a snorkel parka armed with a brick..
rickardo
12-10-2006, 07:34 PM
Six busloads went down and it was a right Steffi Graff !!! Pitch invasions, a row with a load of punk,s and me and DMc confronted by a loony wearing a snorkel parka aramed with a brick..
Nothing new there then :***:
Six busloads went down and it was a right Steffi Graff !!! Pitch invasions, a row with a load of punk,s and me and DMc confronted by a loony wearing a snorkel parka aramed with a brick..
Nothing new there then :***:
just a usual weekend in they days then eh :wink:
no need to worry with DMc around though :D
rickardo
12-10-2006, 07:44 PM
[quote=geeza lift ower mister.]Six busloads went down and it was a right Steffi Graff !!! Pitch invasions, a row with a load of punk,s and me and DMc confronted by a loony wearing a snorkel parka aramed with a brick..
Nothing new there then :***:
just a usual weekend in they days then eh :wink:
no need to worry with DMc around though :D[/quote
Big feckin lump :***:
geeza lift ower mister.
12-10-2006, 08:01 PM
Remember our cup tie away to Hawick Royal Albert in the Scottish Cup not as lively as Gala but a cracking day out.....
even better crack :***: :***: DMc was the bus convener not.
shame we are at home to gretna.we have had some fun in the border towns over the years :***: :***: :? .i feel a bus booking coming on for gretna away :***: :***: :***:
geeza lift ower mister.
12-10-2006, 10:27 PM
We will have to get some of the old skool organised for an away game ,maybe Scottish Cup if were drawn away........
Chansey
13-10-2006, 01:24 PM
any news on savo?
Jimmy Wallace
13-10-2006, 02:03 PM
any news on savo?
yesterday's Courier had him fully fit and raring to go, whilst today's says he is doubtful. I suspect he'll be on the bench if in the squad at all.
I think the first goal will be important in this game. Saints will need to go hard at it from the start.
Chansey
13-10-2006, 02:16 PM
any news on savo?
yesterday's Courier had him fully fit and raring to go, whilst today's says he is doubtful. I suspect he'll be on the bench if in the squad at all.
I think the first goal will be important in this game. Saints will need to go hard at it from the start.
Doesn't sound good, he is definatley a player we need to get at their defence. I think Andy Jackson should get into the starting 11 instead of peaso if savo doesnt make. His work rate will hopefully do the job savo would, I don't think peaso should play from the start he has shown his fitness isn't quite there yet, and this far to big a game to be playing a player you don't know what they will give. We know we will get 100% from andy.
A win here and the players will have another week seeing us top of the league, confidence will be high giving OC the platform to hopefully break away from the likes of livvy and gretna. Because of this i think this game could shape our season, lets hope the boys are up to it!
Victor
13-10-2006, 03:13 PM
A win here and the players will have another week seeing us top of the league
We can only go top of the league if we beat Gretna and Livi do worse than us at home to Hamilton. If not we shall only move up to second and Livi will be top of the league.
Chansey
13-10-2006, 04:44 PM
A win here and the players will have another week seeing us top of the league
We can only go top of the league if we beat Gretna and Livi do worse than us at home to Hamilton. If not we shall only move up to second and Livi will be top of the league.
Joint top of the league tho...if the players see that they will get a boost, same as the fans.
saint_markperth
13-10-2006, 04:49 PM
A win here and the players will have another week seeing us top of the league
We can only go top of the league if we beat Gretna and Livi do worse than us at home to Hamilton. If not we shall only move up to second and Livi will be top of the league.
Joint top of the league tho...if the players see that they will get a boost, same as the fans.
We are currently joint top at the moment tho, FYI meadowbank play hamilton tonight
Chansey
13-10-2006, 05:01 PM
A win here and the players will have another week seeing us top of the league
We can only go top of the league if we beat Gretna and Livi do worse than us at home to Hamilton. If not we shall only move up to second and Livi will be top of the league.
Joint top of the league tho...if the players see that they will get a boost, same as the fans.
We are currently joint top at the moment tho, FYI meadowbank play hamilton tonight
Yes thats what i'm saying, i fully expect livingston to win tonight, meaning we have to win to stay up with them. At this stage in the season i think we have to look to break away from other teams,rather than fall away and expect to catch up with them, as has happened in previous seasons, and look where that has got us.
Victor
13-10-2006, 05:06 PM
Bit of deja vu coming on here guys. We are not top, or joint top im afraid. We are third on the same points as the leaders. Big difference.
kieron24_9
13-10-2006, 05:21 PM
gretna`s first team are .. well lets put it oldies.. we should go for pace in this game and play peaso instead of milne..as peaso needs ther games and can still score goals plus the fact that milne isnt fit enough..last years cup tie was a whole different game this one will be a good one..we need to win to go to the top! :D :roll:
saint in the city
13-10-2006, 09:17 PM
hamilton are one up on livi with a couple of mins to play :D
Chansey
13-10-2006, 09:21 PM
hamilton are one up on livi with a couple of mins to play :D
Yes just seen that now.....ok i admit it, i was maybe a little negative! Great result tho!! :***:
Ronaldo
13-10-2006, 09:31 PM
Chance for Saints to go top!
Cagey
13-10-2006, 09:38 PM
Who would believe Hamilton would be 2 points behind Saints after what we saw at McD earlier in the season. I think it also shows that Livi are in a false position.
We have to win tomorrow. The attitude we showed against the Arabs is a must tomorrow.
saint_markperth
13-10-2006, 09:46 PM
makes tommorrow a must win, although it would only be three points above gretna/meadowbank we could then go onto extend that lead
Good luck Saints, three points clear at the top would be amazing!
Going to Preston North End vs Sunderland today so won't make the match but will be glued to my phone for updates.
still reckon a draw would be good today but a win would be well braw.
BRING ON THE ENGLISH
Hazel1884
14-10-2006, 09:35 AM
Off to work now before the game but bring them on!
Heard Gretna have quite a few worries themselves which is a good sign!
No fear!!
Radford 72
14-10-2006, 10:12 AM
I was hoping Livi would win. We always lose games when we have a chance to go top. :(
Victor
14-10-2006, 11:51 AM
We always lose games when we have a chance to go top.(
Thats my recollection too Radders. Never mind, the law of averages must kick in sometime!
Id be happy with a 1-0 last minute win but how good would it be to stuff them 3 or 4-0 and really send out a message to everyone.
I heard The Saints Are Coming on the radio this morning which is the first time ive ever heard it outwith McDiarmid. Maybe its an omen! Fingers crossed!!
Kevin
14-10-2006, 12:17 PM
I heard The Saints Are Coming on the radio this morning which is the first time ive ever heard it outwith McDiarmid. Maybe its an omen! Fingers crossed!!
And that's the new version by U2 and Snow Patrol
Joanne
14-10-2006, 01:04 PM
Just heard that too actually - isn't it U2 and Green Day? Either way, I quite like. :D
Moray Blue
14-10-2006, 02:46 PM
Todays teams:
SAINTS: Halliwell, Lawrie, Stanic, Mensing, McManus, Anderson, Lawson, Sheridan, Hardie, Scotland, Sheerin.
Subs: Milne, MacDonald, Stevenson, McLaren, Cuthbert
GRETNA: Main, Barr, Grainger, Tosh, Canning, Parrtalu, Jenkins, McGuffie, McMenamin, Grady, Skelton.
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 03:21 PM
After 12 mins paul lawson has been taken off for stevie milne - hope its not another injury :?
MonTheIraq
14-10-2006, 03:33 PM
Been told it looks like a broken arm. Crap
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 03:35 PM
Danny Griffen off injured after 18 minutes for our lovely neighbours.
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 03:46 PM
Been told it looks like a broken arm. Crap
Ah thats pants was in not his leg or foot that was causing him bother before? That will be him back to glasgow to get treatment from celtic!
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:05 PM
Nightmare 0:1.
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:09 PM
1:1 Sheerin
ally bon
14-10-2006, 04:13 PM
nice to get a quick reply. we have to beat these B******
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 04:14 PM
everyone goes on about gretna being an old team but saints have a fair few of them - such as mr sheerin how many times has he saved us so far this season? how long will he be able to last?
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:17 PM
2:1 Hardie
Moray Blue
14-10-2006, 04:17 PM
and Mad martin makes it 2-1 :D
ally bon
14-10-2006, 04:19 PM
St Johnstone 2-1 Gretna
Hardie
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 04:24 PM
ah its a happy day in my flat -the guy i live with is an elgin fan haha they are on their way to their first 3 points after their 11th try at getting anything :)
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:27 PM
ah its a happy day in my flat -the guy i live with is an elgin fan haha they are on their way to their first 3 points after their 11th try at getting anything :)
Don't bet against 4:5 (oops)
Moray Blue
14-10-2006, 04:29 PM
4-0 Elgin now :o
Scobby_SJFC
14-10-2006, 04:29 PM
How did you get an Elgin and a St Johnstone fan under one roof?
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 04:29 PM
haha 4-0 so whats the odds on 4-5?
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 04:31 PM
as things stand partick have moved into second place! thats incredible concidering some of the pumpings they have got this season!
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:34 PM
2:2
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 04:34 PM
How did you get an Elgin and a St Johnstone fan under one roof?
Its scotland its a mulit cultural country dont you konw :***:
beats living with old firm fans again anyway! the poor guy supports aberdeen he always has something to be miserable about!
saint10
14-10-2006, 04:37 PM
Come on saints, we need this win!
Grovesred
14-10-2006, 04:37 PM
How did you get an Elgin and a St Johnstone fan under one roof?
I give up - how do you get an Elgin fan and a St Johnstone fan under one roof? :wink:
This Saints/York City household is particularly tense this afternoon with York down to ten men and losing 3-2 at flipping St Albans and Saints playing fast and loose with our hopes of going top... :?
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:39 PM
McLaren's on, OC is going for it!
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:41 PM
2:3
Saintly Child
14-10-2006, 04:41 PM
2-3 Bloody Hell
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:47 PM
3:3 Scotland
Moray Blue
14-10-2006, 04:49 PM
3-3 Scotland. and game finished.
Nairn Saint
14-10-2006, 04:51 PM
I need a drink. What a rollercoaster of a game! Glad we got the goal back, that's two points saved.
garydavidson
14-10-2006, 04:51 PM
that is a sweet sweet way to draw a game would have been better if it was the winner!
Moray Blue
14-10-2006, 04:56 PM
Point gained or 2 dropped? Be interesting to see what those that were there say.
chopper
14-10-2006, 05:01 PM
Point gained or 2 dropped? Be interesting to see what those that were there say.
At half time we should have been up, yet conceded after 30 seconds of the 2nd half according to the radio on my way back following my game. Should be interesting, sounded like a very open 2nd half to have 6 goals!!!
chopper
14-10-2006, 05:18 PM
Other scores and table:
Friday
Livingston 0
Hamilton Academicals 1 (Gilhaney)
Airdrie United 2 (Barrau, MacDonald)
Clyde 1 (O' Donnell)
Queen of the South 0
Partick Thistle 2 (Roberts, Donnelly)
Ross County 1 (Higgins)
Dundee 0
St. Johnstone 3 (Sheerin, Hardie, Scotland)
Gretna 3 (Mc Guffie 2-1 pen, Paarpalu)
Table (Team, Played, Points, GD)
Gretna 9 17 +11
St. Johnstone 9 17 +8
Partick Thistle 9 17 -3
Livingston 9 16 +8
Hamilton Academicals 8 14 -3
Dundee 9 13 +5
Clyde 8 9 0
Ross County 9 9 -7
Airdrie United 9 7 -7
Queen of the South 9 2 -12
Most interesting being Thistle, despite being thumped twice by us and Gretna are level on points - draws are hampering us and Gretna big style!!!
If Hamilton beat Clyde in their game in hand its a 4 way tie at the top!
A game which we should have won, but to come back to draw shows the side has a bit of character.
Interesting to see that it was Jason Scotland who reacted to going a goal down and got fired into Gretna.
The ref however, was giving everything to them. Given the amount of diving they did they must train in a swimming pool.
We could have had 2 penaltys, with a Gretna defender deciding that Sheerins shorts were going to be his as he tried to pull them off, then later on (maybe the same player) taking a fancy to Jason Scotlands shirt this time. The ref of course gave nowt to us.
For Scotlands goal the ref actually gave a free kick in our favour, which Scotland drilled low along the ground before a couple of deflections helped it hit the back of the net.
Overall, we should have won by half time but with a missed sitter from Milne at 3-2 down, 2 penalty decisions denied and a strange hand-ball by Mensing a draw is a decent enough result.
*James Grady is still a diving and cheating Bassa.
Radford 72
14-10-2006, 05:24 PM
Game took a wee while to get going but when it did, it was Saints in the ascendency and we really should have been ahead at the break. We missed quite a few headers from crosses so it was always going to be the way that Gretna took the lead through a cross into the box, McGuffie with a near enough free header from about six yards.
For once, Saints didn't give up though and back at them we went and deservedly drew level when Stanic played a fantastic ball off the outside of his foot to Jason, who cut inside and fed Sheerin to score. We then took the lead when Stanic skinned Grady and sent over a deep cross which Hardie buried.
We were always looking the better side but Gretna scored an unstoppable equaliser when their young sub was given too much space by Goran and their number 6 blasted into the top corner.
They then took the lead when Simon deliberately handled a cross. I think Deuchar would've scored if he hadn't and he probably should have been sent off. McGuffie sent Bryn the wrong way from the spot.
Saints didn't give up though and after Sheerin played in McLaren, Savo side footed against the bar before in the final seconds, Sheerin touched a free-kick to Jason and with the ball heading for the fruit anf veg isle at Tesco, the ball took a deflection and eluded Alan Main, who remains a legend!
Really pleased with the way we played today, if not the result.
2 Poor goals to lose.
Halliwell should have came out and punched it & the defense were sleeping.
Their Number 6 ran unmarked right into our box,
We deserved that bit of luck at the end though.
Radford 72
14-10-2006, 05:53 PM
Around 3,000 Saints fans there today which is excellent. Hopefully they'll be back next week for Queens and will bring a friend!
Cagey
14-10-2006, 06:00 PM
In the end a draw was prob` the right result especially with Gretna being bold enough to put 3 up front afteer going a goal down. I don`t know if Gretna pushed us back or we sat back at 2-1 but we had plenty attacking chances & a few free kicks & never put anyone in the box with Sheridan taking short free kicks & losing possesion.
Don`t know why Mensing put his hand to ball as he was not under any great pressure although I thought he got a bit of a push but that is what you expect in defence.
Halliwell has still to convince me he is a good goalie as he did not look sure what he was doing & never came off his line. Mensing was mainly annonomous & Lawrie was his usual self.
Still we fought back & prevented them going 3 points ahead of us.
Kevin
14-10-2006, 06:07 PM
What an emotional roller-coaster that was today, a game of chances and missed chances for both teams.....
Thought Saints played well enough to get the win but, at the end, a draw was probably fair. First ime I have seen Saints with three at the front though, superb action and Jason should go home more often if he plays like that afterwards!!
Mensing's handball, not sure about that as it should have been a straight red for denying a scoring chance but he got nothing, which indicates that referee Underhill must have thought it accidental so why the penalty??
From now on, Underhill will be called Frodo, as thay was what he called himself in the Lord of the Rings :***:
Hazel1884
14-10-2006, 06:17 PM
With being 2-1 up i really thought they were there for the taking and we were gonna do it - however their second goal was a gift and their 3rd was a clear penalty obviously.
I think the determination and spirit we showed to come back into it on two occasions is a credit to the players on the park today - Gretna aren't the team they are made out to be by the media. But maybe, just maybe Mr Rowan "W@nker" Alexander will realise that Saints have a few more players than Kevin James and Jason Scotland! :roll:
I admire the fire in the belly that Mensing, Sheerin and Hardie have. Hardie geeing on the crowd today (and not the first time he has done it this season!) shows the belief the players have IMO and the fans should believe in them too.
Halliwell was a tad shaky for my liking today - but Alan Main showed him how to do it in style with his over head kick clearance! :***:
Unlucky to Paul "Timmmmmmmmy" Lawson too, he was gutted how his first start for his big club ended but hopefully it's not to bad - felt sorry for him when i looked at the dugout celebrations and everyone else has their hands up in the air cheering and applauding and he's trying hard to do the same without moving his arm! :***:
Well done lads, keep it up - we'll get there even though things are bcoming incredibly tight at the top!!
Broon
14-10-2006, 06:41 PM
Gretna werent very good but at times neither were we. They seemed bigger than us and we looked a wee bit fragile at the back. When Halliwell comes for crosses he looks ok - should do it more often. 2 headers they had inside the 6 yard box - both times the keeper should be taking them.
On the whole though we played some nice stuff with several players playing very well. Stanic, Scotland, Milne, Anderson, Sheerin and Mensing (apart from the hand ball). A game we should have won but could easily have lost. Draw was therefore fair.
templeofsaints
14-10-2006, 06:54 PM
Cracking advert for the 1st Division today and we easily deserved at least a point against a side that are cynical in the extreme (constant fouls on Jason, Skelton's dives and Grady's late kicks).
Plenty of good performances from Saints today but we lacked the cutting edge early on and took a while to get going. Thought it was a real sucker punch for their first goal (and rank marking on that side of the park), their 2nd was just as poor as we stood off them and the penalty was again idiotic (anyone else see Mensing get a bollocking from OC as he was subbed?).
On the plus side we could have scored a lot more - the shot off the bar late on would have gone in 9 times out of 10 and given the lack of training over the last couple of weeks for the likes of Sheridan, Savo, McLaren etc we still looked better than the league leaders for the most part.
Been a pretty good season so far really......
Duck_fundee
14-10-2006, 07:06 PM
anyone know the crowd?
Kevin
14-10-2006, 07:08 PM
anyone know the crowd?
3150
eddie malone
14-10-2006, 07:41 PM
Even though we scored at the death, still feels like a defeat for me. they were pish!
Real Madrid
14-10-2006, 07:43 PM
anyone know the crowd?
3150
Of which 168 came from Gretna
this picture (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/realmadrid2002/CIMG0567.jpg) was taken at 3.10 today and credit to those who do follow sides like Gretna but can you imagine the away support today if Morton had won the 2nd Division last season
True Saintee
14-10-2006, 07:51 PM
Good game in which I thought we played well and worked hard. Jasons obvisouly been boot shopping in the US of A as the boots he had on havent even been announced in the UK yet!
The 'fans' who booded Mensing off are nothing less than a flipping disgrace. I'm also sick to the teeth of these auld muppets who come to games to sit and do nothing but sit and moan about each and everything that happens. One arse bandit believed that 'Saints fans are a disgrace to be applauding an opposition goalkeeper', and that he(Main) ' is nothing other than a big headed, arrogant shite'. How can Lawrie get any better if you only shout to tell the rest of the team 'not to pass it to that muppet'? Arses. The lot of them.
geeza lift ower mister.
14-10-2006, 07:51 PM
Too many draws is going to cost us dear, we made a complete James Hunt of it , should have been three points.
Radford 72
14-10-2006, 09:21 PM
The 'fans' who booded Mensing off are nothing less than a flipping disgrace. I'm also sick to the teeth of these auld muppets who come to games to sit and do nothing but sit and moan about each and everything that happens. One arse bandit believed that 'Saints fans are a disgrace to be applauding an opposition goalkeeper', and that he(Main) ' is nothing other than a big headed, arrogant shite'. How can Lawrie get any better if you only shout to tell the rest of the team 'not to pass it to that muppet'? Arses. The lot of them.
I thought the booing was for Owen taking Mensing off as he's one of our best players? I folk were booing Simon then that's a disgrace, he made an error... big deal, he's been brilliant this season.
Main is a legend, I'll applaud him every time he comes to Perth and every time we play a team he's in.
Folk have already made up their mind on Andy Lawrie. Unfortunately for him, I think he'll always have fans on his case. I thought he did fine today though, put in some excellent crosses.
Oldmuirton
14-10-2006, 09:30 PM
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Main is a legend, I'll applaud him every time he comes to Perth and every time we play a team he's in.
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Absolutely. I would welcome him back in the Saints team too. He's not only a great keeper, he's an entertainer who lifts spirit of the team and the crowd. True legend
Duck_fundee
14-10-2006, 09:50 PM
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Main is a legend, I'll applaud him every time he comes to Perth and every time we play a team he's in.
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Absolutely. I would welcome him back in the Saints team too. He's not only a great keeper, he's an entertainer who lifts spirit of the team and the crowd. True legend
yes but put me off a bit when he handed the game to the arabs, you know the one i mean
i thought it was a good game and enjoyed it.we had our chances and thankfully we got the equaliser at the end.for me theres plenty to be positive about
hey folks,
that was well shit hot game. shit being 2-1 up an losing the lead but we couldve easy lost.
that game is what football is all about. 2 teams going for it. not a crime is it?
we played well but so did they.
sweet dreams
dave mc
15-10-2006, 10:34 PM
First quarter and still unbeaten,but can't help feeling we should be at least 8 points better off!Good end to end stuff yesterday,they were superb at breaking from our corners,every time Main had the ball,4 or 5 of them sprinted forward,something our lack of pace in midfield prevents us from doing.Don't think we have anything to fear in this league,just a case of turning our superiority in to wins more often.
StDuncM
16-10-2006, 05:56 PM
I was present for the first time this season and I saw a vastly improved performance from the pub team I watched last season in the cup.
I thought that the referee was pathetic and favoured the away side most of the afternoon.
We should fear no one from now on.
blueheaven
16-10-2006, 06:31 PM
I haven't had time to read all of the other comments on the game, but as it was the first match I've been to for a couple of months I just thought I'd throw in my thoughts.
For me, we look a very unbalanced team at the moment. I felt that way as soon as I heard what the line-up was, and I saw nothing in the performance to change my opinion. I'm no fan of 3-5-2, but last season when we switched to that system it brought about some flowing football and dramatic improvements throughout the team, mainly because it suited the bulk of our players. This season, we seem to have lost a bit of that. OC has half a team who prefer 3-5-2, but has brought in others who fit better into 4-4-2, and as a result we now don't look like we'd be 100% suited to either formation. I really feel that, by now, OC should have decided on his preferred system and built a team to fit into it, but in a way it seems the opposite is happening.
Also, we have real problems down the right hand side, and I can't understand why it hasn't been addressed by now. Why did we spend a substantial fee on a left winger, when it's a right winger we need? This isn't a criticism of McLaren - I haven't seen enough of him to say whether he's a good player or not - but I really do question whether or not we actually need him. Down the right we have nothing but players being experimented with out of position, plus a right-back who has surely now had time to settle in (has also been given a chance in two different systems) but, for me, just isn't good enough for Saints.
Moans aside though, I thought we showed great character in the game to come back (even although we should never ever have been behind, or even in danger of going behind, in the first place - Gretna are pretty poor). Anderson was excellent again, Milne had a really good game when he came on, and The Wizard is a genius. A big disappointment for me, though, is the way Stanic's role has diminished since the switch to 4-4-2. Is it just me, or are we shamefully wasting his talents? In the last Saints game I was at before Saturday, he was put on left wing and the guy was absolutely sublime. I'd love to see him put there on a regular basis.
(Springer's) Final Thought - if we don't win the league this season, our players should all be put in a sack and beaten with sticks. This league is there for the taking, and our team is more than good enough. All we seem to need is a little more cohesion, and a little more belief, and we could walk it. Take care of yourselves, and each other.
Cagey
16-10-2006, 07:27 PM
Agree with a lot of that BH. I think the personel are more suited to 3 5 2. Goran is wasted at left back & does get caut out as full back. Lawrie is no good as a full back & only slightly better as wing back.2 of the goals in saturday came from left wing with Lawrie posted missing on both occasions. We have nothing on the right at all attacking wise & feel we would be better with Mensing at full back & Stevenson right-mid. We also have the option of Dyer at left back with Goran pushing forward.
HertsSaintee
16-10-2006, 08:54 PM
if we don't win the league this season, our players should all be put in a sack and beaten with sticks
:***: :***: :***: Class!
Love to see Darren Sheridan's reaction to that...
Herts
Two Js
16-10-2006, 08:56 PM
anyone know the crowd?
Not all of them - no.
Joanne
16-10-2006, 09:27 PM
I heard there was a wee bit outrage surrounding the lack of respect and professionalism with the gretna management team towards saints. Especially when they scored their 3rd goal.
Radford 72
17-10-2006, 08:32 AM
I heard there was a wee bit outrage surrounding the lack of respect and professionalism with the gretna management team towards saints. Especially when they scored their 3rd goal.
Super Ro, aka The Gaffa, lacking respect and professionalism! Wash your mouth out!
Don't you know everything Gretna have achieved is simply down to Super Ro, aka The Gaffa.
Possibly the most horrible cretin in Scottish football.
Kevin
17-10-2006, 08:37 AM
I heard there was a wee bit outrage surrounding the lack of respect and professionalism with the gretna management team towards saints. Especially when they scored their 3rd goal.
Super Ro, aka The Gaffa, lacking respect and professionalism! Wash your mouth out!
Don't you know everything Gretna have achieved is simply down to Super Ro, aka The Gaffa.
Possibly the most horrible cretin in Scottish football.
And also the most patronising bar steward you could ever meet! :evil:
Saintkev
17-10-2006, 04:13 PM
I heard there was a wee bit outrage surrounding the lack of respect and professionalism with the gretna management team towards saints. Especially when they scored their 3rd goal.
What happened then?
mainstand
17-10-2006, 04:43 PM
I heard there was a wee bit outrage surrounding the lack of respect and professionalism with the gretna management team towards saints. Especially when they scored their 3rd goal.
What happened then?
Davie Irons acted like an arse from the start to finish. He was on the pitch dancing up and down and challenging everything and when he went on the pitch when one of his players was injured towards the end of the match he started coaching and got told to stop it. every goal he was up looking at the fans behind the dug outs shaking his fists etc.
Saintkev
17-10-2006, 04:46 PM
Oh well, wouldn't have expected that of Davie Irons, he always seemed very clam and sensible... must have been gripped by fairytailitis!!
What were they up to against Oweny? Surprised Jim Weir did not sort them out!!
StDuncM
18-10-2006, 05:19 PM
Oh well, wouldn't have expected that of Davie Irons, he always seemed very clam and sensible... must have been gripped by fairytailitis!!
What were they up to against Oweny? Surprised Jim Weir did not sort them out!!
Sounds a fishy story to me!
TamTheBam
18-10-2006, 07:18 PM
As Paul Sturrock once said:
'Davie Irons is a woman, in mans clothing'
I ****ing hate Gretna. ****ing fairytale my arse
Victor
18-10-2006, 07:30 PM
As Paul Sturrock once said:
'Davie Irons is a woman, in mans clothing'
He could have been one of the all time great Saints players if he hadnt got injured. I have nothing but good memories of his all too limited playing time with us.
TamTheBam
18-10-2006, 07:33 PM
As Paul Sturrock once said:
'Davie Irons is a woman, in mans clothing'
He could have been one of the all time great Saints players if he hadnt got injured. I have nothing but good memories of his all too limited playing time with us.
U been drinkin old man?
Victor
18-10-2006, 08:13 PM
U been drinkin old man?
Nope. Were you old enough to have watched him?
Saintkev
18-10-2006, 09:31 PM
I thought he was a quality player too. Very silky!
Radford 72
19-10-2006, 08:33 AM
I thought he was a quality player too. Very silky!
Likewise. If him and Wright had stayed fit in 1993/94, that could've made a huge difference.
blueheaven
19-10-2006, 01:48 PM
I thought he was a quality player too. Very silky!
Likewise. If him and Wright had stayed fit in 1993/94, that could've made a huge difference.
Darn tootin. With Paul Wright's sensational acrobatic overhead scissor-kick volleys, and Irons' celebrity uncle, we'd have been unstoppable.
Radford 72
19-10-2006, 01:50 PM
Darn tootin. With Paul Wright's scalfs, and Irons' celebrity uncle, we'd have been unstoppable.
I agree! :wink:
blueheaven
19-10-2006, 01:54 PM
Darn tootin. With Paul Wright's scalfs, and Irons' celebrity uncle, we'd have been unstoppable.
I agree! :wink:
Watch it.
StDuncM
20-10-2006, 01:24 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned earlier in this topic but I thought the response by the stretcher bearers, when Lawson was injured last Saturday, was appalling. It was pretty clear that Lawson, who was laying still, was injured and when the physio immediately signalled that his game was over there seemed to be no urgency from them. I know that the, piss poor, referee did not give them permission to come on, but when he did, they were apathetic to say the least.
Quite ironic that there has been a similar sort of complaint from Moooooooorinio when Cech and Cuducini were injured against Reading.
Furthermore, to Gretna fans credit, they did clap Lawson off.
templeofsaints
20-10-2006, 02:26 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned earlier in this topic but I thought the response by the stretcher bearers, when Lawson was injured last Saturday, was appalling. It was pretty clear that Lawson, who was laying still, was injured and when the physio immediately signalled that his game was over there seemed to be no urgency from them. I know that the, piss poor, referee did not give them permission to come on, but when he did, they were apathetic to say the least.
Agreed - must admit I thought the same thing at Dens when their guy went down at the end. I'm not sure if they're under instructions to wait on the referee signalling him but when you see them walking on it's a bit galling.
Kevin
20-10-2006, 02:46 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned earlier in this topic but I thought the response by the stretcher bearers, when Lawson was injured last Saturday, was appalling. It was pretty clear that Lawson, who was laying still, was injured and when the physio immediately signalled that his game was over there seemed to be no urgency from them. I know that the, piss poor, referee did not give them permission to come on, but when he did, they were apathetic to say the least.
Agreed - must admit I thought the same thing at Dens when their guy went down at the end. I'm not sure if they're under instructions to wait on the referee signalling him but when you see them walking on it's a bit galling.
I was talking to them at the Cancer Research UK 10k at Scone on Sunday and yes, they do have to wait for the referee's permission and they are not allowed to run as there have been a few slipping accidents :roll:
Victor
20-10-2006, 03:13 PM
Quite ironic that there has been a similar sort of complaint from Moooooooorinio when Cech and Cuducini were injured against Reading.
I was amazed that there wasnt ambulance access right on to the pitch, as per McD. Thought that was one of post Taylor Report criteria for any new stadium being built.
Cagey
20-10-2006, 05:29 PM
Welcome back Kevin. You play whatever music you want on Saturday.
mainstand
20-10-2006, 09:53 PM
Quite ironic that there has been a similar sort of complaint from Moooooooorinio when Cech and Cuducini were injured against Reading.
I was amazed that there wasnt ambulance access right on to the pitch, as per McD. Thought that was one of post Taylor Report criteria for any new stadium being built.
There was via the tunnel at the corner of teh stadium. That was the route taht they took the second goalie out.
It seems Czech coudl have gone out in that direction but to do so he would have had to round the track. The main thing that I find strange is that the Chelsea doctor waited for 25 minutes before deciding taht the goalie was bad enough to go to hospital.
As for teh first aiders it's a general rule that if you are going to tend to someone you don't run as you are no good arriving out of breath and unable to help. I think it would be better to have teh stretcher team in tracksuits and wearing boots rather than their hard hats and big boots.
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