Clyde vs. Saints 28/10/06

[saint_markperth]

How do you think we will line up? who is all going?

[Broggy Man]

Ill be there quite like bored wood :***: easy in easy out. I think the team kind of picks its self at the moment should not see to many changes.

[saint_markperth]

Ill be there quite like bored wood :***: easy in easy out. I think the team kind of picks its self at the moment should not see to many changes.

and what would that be then? http://www2.freedownloadscenter.com/shots/screenshots/32576_90_70_FFFFFF.jpg

[LewGti]

I will be there, mon saints :***:

[templeofsaints]

Savo's got another late fitness test but assuming he passes then I would expect to see the same line up as last week.

[stu]

Just in case anyone didn't know this, for student freeloaders like myself Clyde offer a concession price of £7, so it's a chance for a fairly cheap day out.

[Radford 72]

Halliwell

Lawrie - McManus - Ando - Stanic

Hardie - Mensing - Lawson - Sheerin

Milne - Scotland

Subbies: Cuthbert, Sheridan, McLaren, MacDonald, Jackson.

[Broon]

Looking forward to this one - going to be a tough game which I'd be delighted if we won. I think Radfords team is the one we will go with and it looks strong :D !

[SJC]

We should stick with the same team which destroyed QOS last week.

Clyde have only picked up 10 points so far, so realistically it should be straightforward enough to beat them as long as the players keep the ball and play our own game against them.

[chopper]

I will possibly be there tomorrow - depending on how the pitch is up Tulloch way when I inspect it tonight/early tomorrow morning. (By the way, anyone scheduled to play at the Inch should be warned the council have called all matches off - according to one of the manager's at my game tomorrow!)

Anyway, Broadwood is a very cold place (wrap up warm!!!) but we should be going there looking for 3 points and doing so with a bit to spare. We shouldn't be looking to make changes to a side that has won 5-0 although if Savo isn't fully fit I would give Peaso a run out, especially with a goal last Saturday and a good performance in the reserves on Tuesday night.

[Joanne]

I'm going. Anyone know of any decent pubs (we might be welcome in!) near the stadium? Where are the rest of the saintees fans going before the game? :D

[templeofsaints]

I'm going. Anyone know of any decent pubs (we might be welcome in!) near the stadium? Where are the rest of the saintees fans going before the game? :D

There's a Brewers Fayre type place on the approach to the ground - OK but not exactly brimming with atmosphered (bit like Broadwood and Cumbernauld really)

[Joanne]

Cool thanks. Actually think I remember it from YEARS ago! :***:
Booked on bus now anyway so will see where it heads.
Hope Milne's fit, but seems a shame to keep pushing him if he's not fully fit.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Cool thanks. Actually think I remember it from YEARS ago! :***:
Booked on bus now anyway so will see where it heads.
Hope Milne's fit, but seems a shame to keep pushing him if he's not fully fit.

Which bus are you booked on?

The 208 are supposedly stopping at the Masonic Lodge in Dunblane - the Dunkeld Road bus usually allows people off at the plastic pub if it is there early enough.

[rickardo]

Cool thanks. Actually think I remember it from YEARS ago! :***:
Booked on bus now anyway so will see where it heads.
Hope Milne's fit, but seems a shame to keep pushing him if he's not fully fit.

Which bus are you booked on?

The 208 are supposedly stopping at the Masonic Lodge in Dunblane - the Dunkeld Road bus usually allows people off at the plastic pub if it is there early enough.

208 bus with trouser legs rolled up :wink:

[Tranmere Saintee]

208 bus with trouser legs rolled up :wink:

Make a change from half the hairy ones wearing frocks :***:

[MUZZ]

on the 208 bus myself.
this masonic place better have a decent bevvy on tap 8)

[rickardo]

OH YEEEESSS :P

[Saint Hayley]

i shall be attending.

Hopefully we can get 3points in the bag and stay top.

Mon the bluees

[SaintSam1884]

I'm going. :D

[Gazzo]

Just in case anyone didn't know this, for student freeloaders like myself Clyde offer a concession price of £7, so it's a chance for a fairly cheap day out.

Nice one!

Is that a new measure? Don't remember it being in force last time I was there.

Can't wait, c'mon the Saints!

[Ronaldo]

Tough game but we can do it.
With Gretna playing at Hamilton, Dundee at Partick and Livi up at Dingwall then something may give. It's a tough league.
We came through our three hard games of Gretna, Livi and the Dee and so it was always going to be a chance to get points after that. However Hamilton and Clyde are going to be up there too. Clyde have scored in their last nine games.
Win for Saints but close.

[Saintkev]

I know it's late, but it's bloody hard to find a goat in Letham for our offering at the masonic lodge tomorrow!

How old's yer granny and where does she come from? :wink:

[Ronaldo]

I know it's late, but it's bloody hard to find a goat in Letham for our offering at the masonic lodge tomorrow!

How old's yer granny and where does she come from? :wink:
What that organisation for goats who like goats? :***: :***: :***:

Better watch, that "Tranmere Saint" is a moderator on here and he doesn't like us going off topic. He's the Rock Steady of the forum. :***:
:wink:

[McCallum]

I'll be going to this one for sure. Probably one of he toughest games of the season as Clyde are pretty solid at home. We will have to put in a really good shift if we are going to beat Clyde at Broadwood.

Thankfully I'm getting a lift to this one with a mate, as last time I somehow managed to get a lift with Owen and Jim back into Cumernauld train station after the game as I waited hopelessly for a taxi that was never turning up...

I predict a 2-1 victory with the same team as last week if Savo passes fitness test...If not Peaso deserves a start.

[Joanne]

Cool thanks. Actually think I remember it from YEARS ago! :***:
Booked on bus now anyway so will see where it heads.
Hope Milne's fit, but seems a shame to keep pushing him if he's not fully fit.

Which bus are you booked on?

The 208 are supposedly stopping at the Masonic Lodge in Dunblane - the Dunkeld Road bus usually allows people off at the plastic pub if it is there early enough.

Dunkeld Road bus. The plastic pub!! :***: :***:

[Tranmere Saintee]

Dunkeld Road bus. The plastic pub!! :***: :***:

Will have to try and suss out which one you are and let you buy me & the missus a drink :***:

[Nairn Saint]

Couple of early yellow cards for Lawson and Hardie!

[Moray Blue]

Lawrie sent off - violent conduct!

[Moray Blue]

half time - 0-0

[jimmy the saint]

Just said on the radio it was Lawson that got sent off, not Lawrie.

[Moray Blue]

Sky still reporting that it was Lawrie sent off. Lawson cautioned earlier on as was Hardie

[Steve Maskrey]

Other notable scores:

Hamilton 2-0 Gretna
Partick 2-1 Dundee

Ryan Stevenson's scored for Ayr :D

Dundee Utd are losing 3-0 to Falkirk so bye bye to Craig Brewster

[Rodgers]

Got a text saying its lawson but sky sports does say lawrie, i would go with lawson but id rather it would be lawrie :(

[Steve Maskrey]

BBC, Sky & 3 are going with Lawrie although the commentator on Radio Scotland was going with Lawson.

Is Kevin providing the media with the information :? :wink:

Partick 3-1 Dundee
Hamilton 2-1 Gretna
QOS 1-0 Livingston

Falkirk 4-1 Dundee Utd

[Steve Maskrey]

Hamilton 3-1 Gretna

Come on Saints!!!!! :D

[Moray Blue]

just get the feeling that it's not our day today; but still time yet.

C'mon.

[Moray Blue]

oh Bugger

1-0 Clyde

[Phil]

Clyde 1-0 Saints :x

[Steve Maskrey]

Clyde 1-0 Saints Imrie :(

QOS 2-0 Livi

[Moray Blue]

FT 1-0 Clyde :(

[Nairn Saint]

Oh flip.....

[Nick]

Typical Saints

[Nairn Saint]

The unbeaten record had to go at some point and a one nil defeat away from home after going down to ten men is not the end of the world. Results could have been worse for us today.

Another wake up call. Come on Saints!!

[The Real Saints]

According to a Clyde fan who I'm talking to on MSN, Jason missed a one on one, trying to be smart by taking it round the keeper but failing miserably. :roll:

[Nairn Saint]

According to a Clyde fan who I'm talking to on MSN, Jason missed a one on one, trying to be smart by taking it round the keeper but failing miserably. :roll:

He is still better than wotzisname!

[The Real Saints]

I didn't say he wasn't. Please let's not start this argument again. I'm not in the mood. :roll:

[Kevin]

BBC, Sky & 3 are going with Lawrie although the commentator on Radio Scotland was going with Lawson.

Is Kevin providing the media with the information :? :wink:

Partick 3-1 Dundee
Hamilton 2-1 Gretna
QOS 1-0 Livingston

Falkirk 4-1 Dundee Utd

Ha, ha :***:

[McCallum]

Disappointed we didn't get at least a point from that. The game was all about the referee - absolute joke.

The disappointing thing is that Clyde were rubbish and hardly took advantage of the extra man. The one time they did get in behind us, Imrie the cheating thug that he is, slotted it past Halliwell, who had a general howler throughout the game.

I didn't see the incident involving Lawson but the boy went down holding his face, linesman called the ref over and the rest is history.

I'm pretty sure Miller is actually teaching his players to cheat - they were constantly diving (especially Imrie and no.8 ) and trying to influence the ref who would usually then book a saints player. Disgusting.

In the end I suppose we deserve what we got, as we should have been 2-0 up before Imrie even got that chance. Savo missed an absolute sitter and Jason was clean through and tried to take it past the keeper but failed miserably.

Stand outs for me were Savo, Lawrie and Ando.

[mainstand]

A game totally spoilt by one of if not the worst ref displays i've seen. Clyde started off trying to niggle saints and managed it. A strong ref would have had at least 3 booked in teh first half for diving.

jason broke clear near the end and was one on one with the keeper and tried to go round him instead of driving the ball, as it turned out it was the wrong choice.

Stand by for there goal being put down to a Lawrie error as teh guy came down his side. overall even with 10 men we should have got a result.

[Broon]

Considering Clyde are a shower of diving cheating thugs and the referee was sh*te I thought we were ok. On another day Milne would have scored his free volley from 6 yards and Scotland would have burst the net when one on one and Hardie would have scored his free header. Just not to be.

Saw a side Lawson I didn't like today. His first booking could have been a red in my eyes and he was always getting a red today and Clyde knew it. A strong referee would have sorted Clyde out early but Lawson used the injustice to fuel his petulant anger.

Lawrie was good today - much better!

[SJC]

A poor display overall, if Scotland can't score a goal when it is on a plate like that then we should question whether he should be in the team, I would definately start with Peaso and Milne up front next week, but in saying that Milne missed a sitter as well.

Lawson didn't help us with his stupid red card- I was surprised that Mensing wasn't sent off as well for a couple of stupid challenges after he had already picked up a yellow card.

Halliwell kicked the ball out about of play form a goal kick about 7 times as well and looked shaky to day the least all through the game.

We worked hard last week to go top of the league then throw it away at the first test, no surprises there with this club!

Add to that the bastards in the car park taking the piss when I was driving out and it wasn't the best of days, surely someone working for Clyde should behave in a more appropriate manner.

My main regret was not taking a four iron out of the boot and setting about them. :twisted:

[Ali91]

the referee was one of the shitest i'v saw!!! however lawson needs his head checked! he got booked when he could of got sent off because he reacted angrily to a fair challenge on him and then throwing an elbow!! the fans were on jasons back the whole time shouting at him to chase the ball down wtf is the point of chasing it down wasting energy if your not going to get there!!!
i thought we played well second half with ten men with jase and savo both missing great chances. thought lawrie and stanic played well as did our defense!! haliwell cant kick for his life and everytime the ball came near him i was panicking!!

[Ali91]

oh and did anyone hear the guy shout somebody to mark the referee??? haha was funny as!!

[Ronaldo]

What a bummer!

I looked at the other results and thought well we haven't lost out.
Then I looked at the league and see we have dropped to 3rd. :roll:
Still relatively speaking it could have been worse.

Lawson and Jason out next week?
Peaso and Sheridan in?

[LewGti]

Lawson and Jason out next week?
Peaso and Sheridan in?

Jason is suspended anyway aint he.

Anyway, just wasnt to be our day today. :cry: The Ref was so shit i couldnt believe what i was seeing. Anyone get a decent few of Lawsons Elbow, did he deserve to go? I totally missed it.

[HertsSaintee]

Very disappointed with that. I felt we didn't deseve to lose over the piece, but having to play the 2nd half with 10 men made it very difficult and probably cost us the game at the end of the day. Idiotic from Lawson - if he did use the elbow, he should keep on walking - we don't need that sort of thing at Saints, especially this season. Gilt edged opportunity missed by Scotland at the one on one - well played to their keeper for guessing what he was going to do. May be that justice was done thought, as I thought Jase looked well offside to start with. Savo missed the best chance IMHO, blazing over when letting the ball just roll off his boot was the better option, but he put in an excellent shift again overall. I felt we played into a cynical Clyde side's hands and got sold down the river, as did that excuse of a ref - totally unacceptable performance by him. We played too much of the one dimensional high ball game in the first half - we have to learn one of these days that our best performances come when we play on the deck. Having said that, we didn't really have a choice but to take route one in the second half. Halliwell was terrible - kicking was a joke, and was slipping all ovr the shop. MoM was difficult - good shows from Goran Stanic and Simon Mensing (who kept his temper well checked under real pressure from bad decisions and the attentions of that little s*** Malone) For me Andy Lawrie played as well as anyone. Intelligent passing and crossing and some great tackling too.

All in all, thankfully we don't have to play that buch of diving, cheating hackers every week, and pray to your God we don't see that joke ref for a while - totally got the piss taken by Clyde today. Then again, so did we...

Herts

[SJC]

I noticed (when I eveutually got into the ground) that the ref had a word with Mensing after Clydes keeper had complained to the ref!

The linesman said nothing, and the ref didn't react until the keeper moaned at him.

Good that Mensing won a throw in by cheating as well, the ref was a shocker- how do guys like this get to referee matches at this level?

The ovreall standard of refereeing in this country is a shambles.

[Broon]

Referee = Donkey. Clyde = Cheats. Saints = Not man enough to ingore the previous two and show we are the better footballing team.

[auld reekie saint]

Near the end of the game Ando was clearly fouled after letting the ball run out for a goalkick.Ref's decision was to have a word with Ando??????????? Sums up the ref.He was weak aand didn't stand up to the Clyde players.We are always told that refs don't cheat.Well who knows ,but the ref was so poor he may as well have cheated.
As for the Clyde ballboys their gesturing at the Saints fans was a disgrace.Thank god I wasn't born a Clyde supporter.

[templeofsaints]

Temple reports up now but just to echo the comments, Clyde are to fair play and sportsmanship what Dundonians are to soap. Absolute disgrace and even allowing for the crap referee, too many Saints players lost their discipline at times today.

Didn't see anything for the red card but Lawson was pretty fired up (as was Mensing and Hardie).

Even so we should have won the game - Savo and Jason had golden chances to score in the second-half but their goal was a sucker punch with Lawrie again left for dead on a break (although to be fair Lawrie had a reasonable game overall today).

There were too many passengers in the Saints side when we went down to 10 men who lost us the ball too often - Jason looked knackered, Sheerin and Stanic rarely linked well, Halliwell's distribution was simply woeful (3 kicks in a row straight out the ground), Hardie rarely won a ball in the air and Lawson left us in the lurch.

Hopefully it'll mean some arses get kicked this week.

County for the Challenge Cup! :twisted:

[Raff]

Hi there, Clyde fan here, thought I'd give a Clyde fan view of the game.

I expected Saints to hammer us, prior to the game. Saints were as poor as I've seen them in years, sad to say though Clyde were about just as bad. We scored with our only real chance of the game, and a good goal at that. 'Savo' missed a volley which probably should have scored (he was clearly ONSIDE), and Scotland really should have scored his one-on-one, despite Higgins(?) rushing back and Hutton coming out. I wasnt sure at first what happend when the sending off occurd, was later told it was an elbow in the mouth? If so, then a red card was probably right. The ref had a shocker, the linesman was worse. In all, delighted with the win and the much needed points :D

[Saintkev]

Saints weren't great the day and possibly didn't deserve anything from it but that stupidity, it was a soft elbow or more like a bitch slap, but still, meant it was always going to be that way... but the main issue about today is the referee...

I think I said Freeland is a tosser in the Dundee game but that is a given, but generally I have learnt to expect ineptitude fae referees but that guy today was appalling... as someone mentioned the worst was Anderson getting wiped out, moaning and then being told off for it :shock: ... I never paid £7 (thanks to the guy at the gate for reminding me it was a student price :? ) to watch a referee. It's about time that referees were told that they are best when you don't notice them, rather than the arseholes that think they should be centre of attention... twatty feckers!

[dunblanemike]

I thought the weather was the winner today. Awful conditions that always acts as a leveller.
Anyway, off out so not saying owt else.

[MUZZ]

only got in at half 3 with the 208 bus being on a drinking binge.


shit game. savo and jason shouldve scored easy chances. lawson made a twat of himself getting sent off.

good pints in the masonic though :roll: :twisted:

[Broon]

I never paid £7 (thanks to the guy at the gate for reminding me it was a student price :? ) to watch a referee.

They let me in for £5 as a Student. The girl didn't know how much students were so just said a fiver :) Sill wasn't worth a fiver for that though.

[Saintkev]

Fair enough Raff, i'd be happy with teh win and you seem liek a reasonable dude, but what did you think of yer team's antics today?, personally, I thought they were a disgrace as professional footballers...

[MUZZ]

26 year old muzz got in for a fiver :twisted:

must be my good youthful looks ladies :wink:

[Saintkev]

must be my good youthful looks laddies :wink:

Queer! :***:

[MUZZ]

must be my good youthful looks laddies :wink:

Queer! :***:

doesnae say that







now :oops:

[Raff]

Fair enough Raff, i'd be happy with the win and you seem liek a reasonable dude, but what did you think of yer team's antics today?, personally, I thought they were a disgrace as professional footballers...
I agree we are kind of 'dirty', but comments like cheats takes the piss. Our players are young, hungry guys who fight for every ball, and do get stuck in. Far more than need to, I agree.

[SJC]

Theres no problems with fighting for the ball, but constant diving and complaining from every player in the team is cheating.

It's easy to get away with though.

[Saintkev]

Fair enough Raff, i'd be happy with the win and you seem liek a reasonable dude, but what did you think of yer team's antics today?, personally, I thought they were a disgrace as professional footballers...
I agree we are kind of 'dirty', but comments like cheats takes the piss. Our players are young, hungry guys who fight for every ball, and do get stuck in. Far more than need to, I agree.

Flying into tackles, rolling about then asking for folk to get booked is poor. Never particularly liked Clyde as they seem dull, but have a had a grudging respect as they have always had guys fighting for everything, but today I saw a side to Clyde that disappointed me... I think cheats is a very fair comment, and is the politest thing I've called them since about 10 minutes after arriving... it's not a comment i'd use lightly, I wont accuse a referee of cheating, but a running theme through Clyde today was of conning the referee (wasn't hard :roll: ) and getting players booked... not on (Lawson was bloody stupid though!)

[Dougie Imrie's Fanclub]

What a bitter bunch of people!!

Your players dived in wrecklessly, and late to everything! These type of challenges normally result in free kicks and cautions. And the people moaning about Steven Anderson getting talked to, that was because he committed on of the most blatant dives ever. And I don't see why you are moaning at the referee, as he could have sent ever more of your players off!

I suggest all of you dry your eyes in time to see your team of thugs play again!

[Saintkev]

What a bitter bunch of people!!

Your players dived in wrecklessly, and late to everything! These type of challenges normally result in free kicks and cautions. And the people moaning about Steven Anderson getting talked to, that was because he committed on of the most blatant dives ever. And I don't see why you are moaning at the referee, as he could have sent ever more of your players off!

I suggest all of you dry your eyes in time to see your team of thugs play again!

That's more like the Clyde fan i'd expect... weegie toss-pott! :roll:

[Saintkev]

We're moaning at the ref as he was appalling... both ways... Mensing could easily have been sent off, we got some shocking decisions in our favour... it's not all one-way... but a bitter taste left by the way your club as whole handles it's affairs... players a disgrace to football, gate-staff and then stewards that don't have a clue what they are doing, others that were just neds smarting for a fight... fair play to the ball-boys though, thought that was quite funny, but a sensible steward ( :***: ) should of probably have had a word to calm them down in case someone took it overly seriously.

[auld reekie saint]

Clyde fans slagging Saints???????????????????
Sorry but I can't take you lot seriously

[Dougie Imrie's Fanclub]

We're moaning at the ref as he was appalling... both ways... Mensing could easily have been sent off, we got some shocking decisions in our favour... it's not all one-way... but a bitter taste left by the way your club as whole handles it's affairs... players a disgrace to football, gate-staff and then stewards that don't have a clue what they are doing, others that were just neds smarting for a fight... fair play to the ball-boys though, thought that was quite funny, but a sensible steward ( :***: ) should of probably have had a word to calm them down in case someone took it overly seriously.
I think it is the thugs of St Johnstone FC that are a disgrace to football. Because of the antics of thug Paul Lawson, many young children at the game, who will see the players as role models, will now elbow their friends at school. Well done St Johnstone FC, setting a great example.

[Watty]

We're moaning at the ref as he was appalling... both ways... Mensing could easily have been sent off, we got some shocking decisions in our favour... it's not all one-way... but a bitter taste left by the way your club as whole handles it's affairs... players a disgrace to football, gate-staff and then stewards that don't have a clue what they are doing, others that were just neds smarting for a fight... fair play to the ball-boys though, thought that was quite funny, but a sensible steward ( :***: ) should of probably have had a word to calm them down in case someone took it overly seriously.
I think it is the thugs of St Johnstone FC that are a disgrace to football. Because of the antics of thug Paul Lawson, many young children at the game, who will see the players as role models, will now elbow their friends at school. Well done St Johnstone FC, setting a great example.

Oh its good to see a well balanced view of the game from the oppostion support on here for a change :wink:

Pish poor crowd, any idea what it was?

1390, i just went and looked, half and half almost i'd expect.

[Tranmere Saintee]

I think it is the thugs of St Johnstone FC that are a disgrace to football. Because of the antics of thug Paul Lawson, many young children at the game, who will see the players as role models, will now elbow their friends at school. Well done St Johnstone FC, setting a great example.

Trying not to get drawn into this pathetic excuse for a Clyde fans baiting, but how can anybody with half a brain cell attack anybody else when he supports Elbows Malone. Did anybody actually see Lawson elbow a Clyde diver as there was no crowd reaction until the referee was called over?

[Dougie Imrie's Fanclub]

Oh its good to see a well balanced view of the game from the oppostion support on here for a change :wink:

Pish poor crowd, any idea what it was?

1390, i just went and looked, half and half almost i'd expect.
I would say you had around 450 max.

[Dougie Imrie's Fanclub]

Did anybody actually see Lawson elbow a Clyde diver as there was no crowd reaction until the referee was called over?
Yes

[MUZZ]

I would say you had around 450 max.

agree mate. surprised you lads gave us the whole stand for a change

[Saintkev]

I think it is the thugs of St Johnstone FC that are a disgrace to football. Because of the antics of thug Paul Lawson, many young children at the game, who will see the players as role models, will now elbow their friends at school. Well done St Johnstone FC, setting a great example.

:***: They'll never have seen this on the telly before... he got slagged off for his antics by the Saintees, so I'd say that was a good example...

[Saintkev]

Trying not to get drawn into this pathetic excuse for a Clyde fans baiting, but how can anybody with half a brain cell attack anybody else when he supports Elbows Malone. Did anybody actually see Lawson elbow a Clyde diver as there was no crowd reaction until the referee was called over?

He threw his arm over the guys face, think i'd be embarrassed to go down over something so soft. :roll: .. but the linesman was right... very stupid. He was treated fairly over this though, but there were plenty of other situations for teh referee to stamp his authority on, but nope! :roll:

[Cagey]

Typical Saints.When they get a chance to go clear at the top against relegation candidates they blow it. Not only that , our nearest rivals drop points & we don`t take advantage of it.

BBC1 reporter said Clyde deserved to win a game which was a poor advert fore the 1st Div`.

[MUZZ]

the ballboys were bad crack.

[Saintkev]

the ballboys were bad crack.

If i'd been taking pelters for that long, I'd do exactly the same... good lads! At least they were Clyde fans!

[Raff]

:***: :***: :***:

Blaming the ball boys.. what next? Blame the seats? :***:

[saint5588]

Thought Saints played well in the second half when they actually started to play proper football. Jason could have helped Savo out a bit more but i thought the defence kept saints in it for the majority of the game. Also how many times does Haliwell have to kick the ball straight out of play and then think to take the kick from the other side of the 6yd box.

[SJC]

I'm sure you lot would be happy if the Saints ballboys turned round and started taking the piss when we've taken the lead against you?

Same goes for the car park staff on the way out, should have sent the buggers flying over the bonnet.

There was no change either at the gate when I got in, what a surprise.

All in all a shite day, look forward to your visit to McDiarmid :D :twisted:

[Broggy Man]

Who got caught in the road works what a load o bo**ocks two hours from perth to bored wood

[Davey]

Who got caught in the road works what a load o bo**ocks two hours from perth to bored wood

jeanie 208 bus did 23 mins late for kick off! now wished we never got there at all :roll:

[SaintSam1884]

Blatant copy and paste from P and B as it sums my feelings up pretty well. Clyde were NOT to blame for our performance today and neither was the referee: We created chances and we missed them ergo - it's our own fault...

The performance today was not typical of our performances of the season so far. I'd say it was our worst performance in the league so far, and going down to ten men obviously made an already difficult task even more difficult.

I agree with bits and bobs of what both Clyde fans and St.Johnstone fans have said about the game in the thread so far. I don't think the referee was great to be honest but I do agree that Paul Lawson deserved to be sent off and Simon Mensing was very lucky to remain on the pitch long enough to be substituted rather than red carded. After being booked, he should have been looking to keep quiet but he made three or four fouls which on another day would've resulted in a second yellow which obviously led to Coyle and Co taking him off before he was sent off. I saw a couple of blatant dives from Clyde players today, one resulting in a booking for the player for his troubles and some instances of what I would call cheating - encouraging the referee to book opponents with over-excited reactions to what were fairly inoccuous challenges. That said, Stanic was indeed guilty of that as well and should have known better.

Clyde are a difficult team to play against as they quite fast which is something at times we failed to deal with and our midfield especially were caught watching the game at points leaving too much pressure on the defence who I thought coped pretty well, the two centre backs having an especially excellent match and the most heavily involved players in our team today. Pass marks definately go to Steven Anderson and Allan McManus. Clyde for me don't look to have improved too much from the game at McDiarmid Park, they hounded us for the entire game in August but failed to score and whilst today they managed to score once, a better team - with the chances created today - would have scored so many more. They did pass the ball well though and some of the football was pretty decent. They really need one or two strikers who are capable of scoring quite regularly and taking advantage of what is a pretty good midfield.

As for us - Well, obviously the sending off decision was a turning point. I arrived not long before Lawson was red carded and immediately had a bad feeling about how we were playing. I don't think we cope all that well with fast teams, our midfield can be painfully slow at times. For me there was one standout disappointment in our side today and that was Jason Scotland, he just looked lethargic, slow, uninterested. He didn't want to be there today and that's annoying as a fan because you want to watch your players fight for the jersey - if you will - and he lacked the passion today that in games where you are under that much pressure, you really need a fighting spirit to pull you through. He wasn't getting near any balls today that normally he'd have got on the end of and his miss added with his selfish shot when Sheerin was running in unmarked just capped a very bad day for him and he was rightly hooked in place of Willie McLaren.

To take out some positives though - we are only three points off the top with Partick at home on Saturday, this was our first league defeat of the season and I thought we did reasonably well to hold out for as long as we did and actually create a few chances that on any other day, would've ended up in the back of the net and ensured us victory. Three very good chances from a St.Johnstone perspective, two missed by Scotland and Milne who have twenty goals between them before this match.

Obviously not our day, credit to Clyde for grafting until the end to get that winner and roll on Partick at home next week when we'll be able to see what Particks little stay at the top is really made of.

[SJC]

I was late as well, caught up in the roadworks and arrived exactly the same time as the 208 bus.

I was going to turn back for Perth at the A9/M9 Roundabout but decided to press on regardless.

I checked out the roadworks on trafficscotland.com and there was bugger all mention of any delay at the roadworks, kind of defeats the purpose of this as I thought that meant that there was only a short delay. I had to drive like a madman to make the game at all as I left Perth at 2pm.

[Cagey]

By all reports Jase was gash today. Do you think he was still in the huff from last week or just the usual complacent Saints when they think they are better than they are.

[SaintSam1884]

We were twenty-five minutes late for kick off.

I knew the roadworks at Denny would cause delays but had no idea the ones around the A9/M9 roundabout even existed. :evil:

[Ray Blair]

[quote="SJC"]A poor display overall, if Scotland can't score a goal when it is on a plate like that then we should question whether he should be in the team, I would definately start with Peaso and Milne up front next week, but in saying that Milne missed a sitter as well.

25 goals in 50 apearances speak for themselves.......... :shock:

[SaintSam1884]

the ballboys were bad crack.

I agree.

I actually think Clyde should stop them from doing that because other sets of fans might throw stuff at them!

[SJC]

I defended Scotland earlier on in the week, but seriously if he can't take a gift like today then he shouldn't be in the team.

He's suspended now anyway so it's a good chance to see how we play without him.

[Ali91]

imo savo had the better chance but because its scotland everyone goes on about it! give the guy a break!

[stu]

I agree with the majority of what SaintSam says, which makes a change. Yes, the referee was shite, but he could easily have sent off Mensing, and while Clyde were diving left right and centre, every time Stanic lost the ball he'd go down in a futile attempt to make it look like he'd been fouled.

I had a great view of Scotland's chance, and I think people are being a bit harsh on him. The keeper narrowed the angle superbly, so trying to take it round him was a decent choice in my opinion. Probably doesn't excuse the awful attempt though I suppose. Nice idea, shame about the execution, as Peter Brackley would say in Pro Evo. One thing I have noticed about Scotland is that if one of Halliwell's high punts looks to be dropping in his direction he'll jump a couple of seconds early and miss the ball, as if he's trying to fool the fans into thinking he made a decent attempt to challenge for it. Pretty sure that jumping for a header occasionally wouldn't be too detrimental to the rest of his game.

[Broggy Man]

Who got caught in the road works what a load o bo**ocks two hours from perth to bored wood

jeanie 208 bus did 23 mins late for kick off! now wished we never got there at all :roll:

What is the point of all these traffic sites no bloody mention of delays. The cops knew about it as the young cop on the stairs asked me how long i was stuck in them.. So why did the game not get held up??

[Tranmere Saintee]

We were twenty-five minutes late for kick off.

I knew the roadworks at Denny would cause delays but had no idea the ones around the A9/M9 roundabout even existed. :evil:

1. Arriving so late could explain why you don't think the ref was so influential in ensuring we didn't win yesterday - within the first 5 mins or so he had allowed 3 blatant dives by Clyde players (on each occasion signalling he thought they had dived) and had lectured several Saints players and threatened to book them for non existant fouls when Clyde players kept on diving. It soon became clear that Goran knew he would be booked if not sent off if he went near one of their players again and resulted in by far his worst performance for months.

Non of the above excuses our way below par performance or vindicates Lawson who could/should have been sent off for his early booking, which was the result of yet another f*ck up by the ref and Lawson letting his frustration get the better of him.

2. The signs for these road works had been lying at the side of the road for the last week or two, but at no point did I see any sign to say what was happening and/or when. As I travel this stretch of road every day to Stirling Uni I thought I would have noticed something and would have posted a warning on here.

[MUZZ]

the ballboys were bad crack.

I agree.

I actually think Clyde should stop them from doing that because other sets of fans might throw stuff at them!

yes sam,

did you see the group of 6 or so young lads go down to the front of the stand where the ballboys were. the polis were right over moving them on. shame that

[Victor]

As I travel this stretch of road every day to Stirling Uni.
Are the road works are in Tayside or Central region?

[SJC]

There was no mention of the delays at the first set of roadworks on the matrix signs either, when I was sitting in the queue at the first set, I noticed that the sign said queue and delay of 30 mins for the second set or works.

Worth knowing that, with a bit of warning, could have taken the backroads to avoid this.

TrafficScotland also had no mention of any delays, and I thought the only works were on the M9.

Can't beleive I arrived exactly at the same time as the 208 bus though, thank god I wasn't the only one late!

[Radford 72]

Will these still be there when we go to Airdrie in three weeks time?

As for yesterday, I think the buck has to stop with Owen and the players. Sure the ref wasn't great, a few of their players weren't exactly displaying great sportsmanship but some of our guys got dragged into a battle when they should have walked away and focused on passing the ball around like we've done in the past two games.

Lawson, I assume was guilty through his lack of complaining, is a disgrace and could have seen red for his stamp on O'Donnell when he was booked.

No point in scoring five one week if you are going to miss three chances like we did yesterday through Hardie, Milne and Scotland.

Got a horrible feeling we will lose next week and go six points behind Thistle then obviously miss a week so could be left well behind the leaders. Not got a good feeling at all. :(

[Tranmere Saintee]

Answer to a couple of points - road works are Central Region and according to the sign the first set will be finished today (will not hold my breath). The second set are on for some time yet by the looks of them - I will try and get confirmation tomorrow from the guys at work who are being driven daft by them and post an update.

[SJFC1988]

Yeah for sure the match yesterday was disappointing. The referee didnt help and the cheating cnuts(especially no.10), but we should still have been able to rise over that and the cheating cnuts. Hardie milne and scotland all missed sitters, which on another day all three would have gone in. Mensing was lucky to stay on the park and lawson really lost the game for us- if we had 11 men in the second half i think we would have won quiet comfortably. I couldnt quite belive how savo failed to hit the target never mind scotlands miss one on one :shock:

As for partick next week we really should be able to turn them over. We will probably not miss scotland nxt week, and it will be interesting to see savo and peaso up front togeather.

Chin Up

[Cagey]

Partick seem to be playing quite well just now & with the luck they have , finishing miles behind Morton & coming up as well as stealing most games this season they may just get 3 points at McD. If we play as we can & start the game in the righty frame of mind then there should be no prob`.

Still think that we have the problem that Owen has purchased a team to play 3 5 2 as Lawrie & Stanic are wing backs but he has found that that system doesn`t work & has to play 2 guys out of position.

[Radford 72]

Still think that we have the problem that Owen has purchased a team to play 3 5 2 as Lawrie & Stanic are wing backs but he has found that that system doesn`t work & has to play 2 guys out of position.
Mensing can't play centre-back as he has one terrible mistake a game and it would be punished so unless we bring Jim Weir back or move Andy Lawrie, we don't have the personnel to play 3-5-2 at the moment. I think when KJ is fit, we might revert to that system as McLaren is more suited to play through the middle than out wide. I really like Sheerin on the left of a midfield four, he makes very intelligent runs but he can do ok in a midfield three.

[Cagey]

I wasn`t saying we should play 3 5 2 especially as you say apart from Mensing we are struggling for 3 centre back. Also agree that Sheerin is at his best left midfield. Was tryibg to say the problem is we don`t have 2 out & out full backs. Dyer could play left back with Goran left mid but I wouldn`t change the team anyway unless we lose to Partick. Of course we will have to change due to the lack of Jase & Lawson but it will be Peaso & Sheridan & the system will stay the same.

Owen says on teletex that he thought we played well. Guys at the game or P&B posters don`t agree.

[Radford 72]

I wasn`t saying we should play 3 5 2 especially as you say apart from Mensing we are struggling for 3 centre back. Also agree that Sheerin is at his best left midfield. Was tryibg to say the problem is we don`t have 2 out & out full backs. Dyer could play left back with Goran left mid but I wouldn`t change the team anyway unless we lose to Partick. Of course we will have to change due to the lack of Jase & Lawson but it will be Peaso & Sheridan & the system will stay the same.

Owen says on teletex that he thought we played well. Guys at the game or P&B posters don`t agree.
I wonder if he'll maybe start McLaren next week and go with the same midfield that played Thistle off the park at Firhill?

Fair play to the Clyde fans if they were happy with their side but whilst it's easy to look on top when you are five against three in midfield, they hardly troubled Halliwell and despite having a man less, we were the side stringing passes together, although none of our best chances really came from those segments of play.

Going back to the formation, I think Lawrie and Stanic have improved steadily in their new roles and yesterday held their line really well. I'm not too worried about them at full-back. I think the one main advantage of 3-5-2 is it covers us not having a natural right midfielder.

[wee john]

[quote="SJC"]A poor display overall, if Scotland can't score a goal when it is on a plate like that then we should question whether he should be in the team, quote]

Rubbish.
He is our best player easily, okay he missed an easy chance.
Every striker misses some chances.
Up there as the daftest quote of the week.
We should have this as a weekly comp.
Daftest quote.
You're winning.

[Broon]

I don't blame him for missing that chance on Saturday, all strikers miss chances. I was more annoyed that he didn't square the ball to Sheerin a bit earlier when he chose to shoot from an impossible angle instead. He's still quality but had an off game - it happens.

[Radford 72]

It would have been easier to accept him missing the chance if he'd at least had an effort on goal with it. The pitch was sticky and slow so trying to take it round the 'keeper was always the wrong option IMO. He almost had too long to think about it.

[Broggy Man]

. He almost had too long to think about it.

That about sums it up Radford. If he had got the ball 30 yards out it would have been in the back of the net but the run from half way line gave him to much time to think and worry about what he was going to do. A striker acts best on instinct..

[inex]

My comments on the game.

Sloppy, no real show of great skill from any particular player, but the CLyde finish 5 from time was a nice strike. Saints keeper maybe could have done better.

Plenty of fouls. The referee in the first alf had absolutely no idea.

Mensing = waste of space on the wing. Central midfield looks alot more effective.

Stanic, best player in the team in terms of composure, work rate and time on the ball.

Although it was a scappy game Saints did well especially after keeping both strikers on the pitch after the red. 3 man midfield of Hardie, Sheerin and Mensing did well but in my opinion it was only because the Clyde team was tactically poor.

Malone had that much space in behind Mensing in the first half but nobody in the Clyde team was god enough to spot him or be able to launch a 40 yard pass to him. If they could have done that, Saints would have been in big trouble. In the 2nd half he had even more space but apparently he was invisible to is own players. Lawrie was nowhere near him.

Saints had the best 3 chances, although Milnes was the most difficult and I dont blame him but Hardie should have done better and there are no excuses for Scotland. He chocked. Simple as that. He could have curled it around the right of the keeper, he could have chipped the keeper, but instead he just chocked and had a shocker, not even a shot at goal in the end.

Then Lawrie was out of position, nobody picked up Imre, whatever his name is, and he raced in to score.

Credit to Coyle for going for it, but like i said if Clyde had more brains they could have exploited the 3 man Saints midfield in the 2nd half.

Yeah the ballboys were a laugh. Slow to get the balls back, not enough spare balls around the pitch, reminds me of m school days, and the way they ran in front of the away fans fliping the bird was for me, amusing. :***:

Cheers to Watty for the scarf, you da man. 8)

Hope to catch another game around his time next year.

[SJC]

Scotland should have taken that chance with his eyes closed, instead all he did was run at the keeper with the ball, if some find this acceptable from someone who calls themselves a professional then thats up to them.

There were several bad mistakes during that game which cost us what should have been 3 easy points.

Hardies miss (although I didn't see this)
Savos volley over the bar
Lawson's red card
Andy Lawrie
Scotlands god awful miss

Who was captaining the side on Saturday? They should have ensured the players calmed down and didn't react to Clydes antics, we were lucky to finish that match with 10 men the way we went about it.

[Real Madrid]

I meant to put this on earlier in the week for those that were not there

Savos miss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb1zKVqbf0Y)

this clip also shows how bad theRef was (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAIsDHyiz1A)