Saints vs. Ayr United 06/01/07

[Scobby_SJFC]

Cant see a topic already so I'll start one!

How do we see this one going, I see us having to be paitient and break them down as they will come to McD for a replay!

If we're patient and keep it tight at the back, we should go through!

[Thomas_sjfc]

How much is it to get in to this game.

£10 or £16

[Chansey]

should beat them, ayr aren't on the best of form, a bit like this us.....but i would like to see the likes of dyer, jackson, dobbie and peaso getting a start, giving a few regulars a much needed rest.

id go

--cuthbert--
Lawrie---Mensing---Ando---Dyer
Jackson---McInnes---Sheerin---McLaren
--Peaso---Dobbie--

[Hazel1884]

I take it both stands are open?

[mainstand]

should beat them, ayr aren't on the best of form, a bit like this us.....but i would like to see the likes of dyer, jackson, dobbie and peaso getting a start, giving a few regulars a much needed rest.

id go

--cuthbert--
Lawrie---Mensing---Ando---Dyer
Jackson---McInnes---Sheerin---McLaren
--Peaso---Dobbie--

Why no McManus? or Scotland?

This is the kind of game where a players confidence can be boosted. Go with the normal team.
Is mcInness available I think there used to be a rule stating that a player had to be signed for 2 weeks prior to a Scottish cup tie?

[Radford 72]

MS, they did away with the 2 week rule when the transfer windows came into place so McInnes is eligible. I think we have to take this game seriously and as such put out the strongest possible team.

Hardie and James are all but ruled out and obviously Rutkiewicz will still be missing. With no James, I think we have to stay 4-4-2 so I'd go along the following lines:

Cuthbert

Lawrie - McManus - Anderson - Stanic

Mensing - McInnes - Sheerin - McLaren

Scotland - MacDonald

Subs: Halliwell, Dyer, Dobbie, Milne, Jackson.

I think Peaso is a better sub than Milne but he deserves to start this game after his impact in the last two.

Have to say I'm quite disappointed there's been no announcement from the club about prices (and in turn what stands are open). Dundee have had an advert on Tay FM all week advertising their reduced prices for the weekend.

I feel when nothing has been announced it will be the usual £16, £5 and £4. Hope I'm wrong.

[Mikeec]

Do you know how much radio advertising costs!!! Its not cheap and returns would be minimal on a game where we are going to make a loss. Im sure there are better ways on spending our cash - ie players!!!!

[Radford 72]

Do you know how much radio advertising costs!!! Its not cheap and returns would be minimal on a game where we are going to make a loss. Im sure there are better ways on spending our cash - ie players!!!!
I wasn't suggesting we did that. I'd just like to know (via the website), with the game only 48 hours away, whether we'll all be in the West Stand and whether we'll be paying £16 or £10.

[Chansey]

I think we have to take this game seriously and as such put out the strongest possible team.


I agree that we have to take this game seriously, but i don't feel this means playing our strongest eleven. Having seen them earlier in the season they are a decent side, but a team consisting of the players in my post before should still have the quality to beat ayr. We have fallen well short of Gretna in recent weeks, which suggests to me all of our players but mainly our main ones (such as jason and alan) will have to dig deep, in order to get anywhere near them again. If we expect them to do this, you can't expect them to play week after week for a full season. And it is a game like this, where we can win without fielding a full strength team, that provides an ideal oppourtunity to rest such players.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Do you know how much radio advertising costs!!! Its not cheap and returns would be minimal on a game where we are going to make a loss. Im sure there are better ways on spending our cash - ie players!!!!

No - so please inform us how much it costs - I have been told recently that it is far and away the most economical way of advertising on a local basis so would be very interested to hear how much it costs to advertise on Tay AM.

We can easily get free coverage from Grant Reid who not only mentions Saints as often as he can get away with it, but also gives Tranmere loads of mentions :***:

[Radford 72]

I agree that we have to take this game seriously, but i don't feel this means playing our strongest eleven. Having seen them earlier in the season they are a decent side, but a team consisting of the players in my post before should still have the quality to beat ayr. We have fallen well short of Gretna in recent weeks, which suggests to me all of our players but mainly our main ones (such as jason and alan) will have to dig deep, in order to get anywhere near them again. If we expect them to do this, you can't expect them to play week after week for a full season. And it is a game like this, where we can win without fielding a full strength team, that provides an ideal oppourtunity to rest such players.
Let's hope Robert Connor doesn't have that pinned up the dressing room. Think you are being totally disrespectful to Ayr suggesting a fringe team could beat them. They've already knocked Livi out of one of the cups this season, a team we've failed to beat.

If we had a lot of midweek games coming up (like earlier in the season) I would maybe agree with you but there's no reason that a full-time footballer needs a rest when they are playing one game a week.

Coyle isn't doing his job properly unless he puts out the best team available to him IMO.

Regarding Tay FM, when browsing the site a few weeks ago, I discovered these rather interesting photos which will probably be of more interest to the ladies...

http://www.tayfm.co.uk/photowall.asp?id=23988

[Hazel1884]

http://www.tayfm.co.uk/photowall.asp?id=23988

That's just weird! :shock:

[Real Madrid]

It would be supperb if we had a repeat of the tie from early 90's which finished 5-2 to Saints but then all four stands were open and we had an atmoshere at McDiarmid and the team were playing good football

I am actually concerened about this tie. Are we going to go into the last 5 minutes needed to score again to win the match. We just do not look settled at present. This is a big game for Ayr and if we are not at our best then we could be on the end of an embarresing result

Do you think Owen will list Dobbie as if he is to be sold he could be cup tied (Could the same apply to Jason ! :o )

Lets hope for a better game and all try and support the team

[Chansey]

Let's hope Robert Connor doesn't have that pinned up the dressing room. Think you are being totally disrespectful to Ayr suggesting a fringe team could beat them. They've already knocked Livi out of one of the cups this season, a team we've failed to beat.


That team isn't neccesarily a fringe team, it is more or less our first team minus scotland, Stanic, mcmanus, and maybe hardie Surely our first team minus 3 players, being replaced by 3 players that would walk into the ayr team lying 5th in the second division, should beable to beat them, i would't have thought there was any doubt about it, provided Coyle ensures a winning mentality and keeps complacency out of the side.

I seriously hope jacko and dyer get a start here, they both came on on saturday and done well, particularly dyer!

[Zimmerman]

Cuthbert

Lawrie ando mcmanus dyer

Jackson Sheerin Mensing Stanic

Scotland Peaso


bench: halliwell,milne,peaso,mclaren,Dobbie

[Nick]

Cuthbert

Lawrie ando mcmanus dyer

Jackson Sheerin Mensing Stanic

Scotland Peaso


bench: halliwell,milne,peaso,mclaren,Dobbie

Exactly the side I would play aswell.

McInnes shouldn't go straight into the starting eleven. Dyer and Jacko deserve starts, and I want to see Stanic played at left Mid.

[Kyle]

Cuthbert

Lawrie ando mcmanus dyer

Jackson Sheerin Mensing Stanic

Scotland Peaso


bench: halliwell,milne,peaso,mclaren,Dobbie

Peaso might be good, but I'm not sure he'd be able to handle starting and being on the bench at the same time!

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Do we know the prices yet?

[Radford 72]

McInnes shouldn't go straight into the starting eleven.
I disagree. He's been brought in to do a specific job and is experienced enough to slot into a side. I also think it would bring a lot more shape and balance to a midfield that sat far too deep on Tuesday.

As it is though, he's still awaiting his clearance from Millwall so with Hardie out too then we are almost forced to play Jacko on the right, although in all honesty, from what I've seen of him, I think Bobby Barr could make the step up, and it is his natural position. Would still be delighted to see AJ getting a chance though.

[Radford 72]

Strike me down!

How could I forget Neil Janczyk! We do have four midfielders after all. We need at at least a couple of U21 players in the matchday squad though.

[saint_markperth]

http://www.tayfm.co.uk/photowall.asp?id=23988

That's just weird! :shock:

WTF

[The Real Saints]

Tickets will be priced the same as at a normal league game.

[Saintkev]

Yeah the PA states it's the same prices, not being specific as to what they are... though it is pretty embarrasing prices we charge!

[saint_markperth]

i take it season tickets are not valid for this one!

[Radford 72]

i take it season tickets are not valid for this one!
Nope! I predict a mega-low crowd!

[Saintkev]

In the past when PSJ have played KaisAyr, they normally are lucky to have a car-load go to the game, this time they are bringing up a mini-bus of 22!!! They seem quite up for it!

[Nairn Saint]

In the past when PSJ have played KaisAyr, they normally are lucky to have a car-load go to the game, this time they are bringing up a mini-bus of 22!!! They seem quite up for it!

Watch yersel! Some of those Ayrshire boys are nearly as hard as you!

[Saintkev]

In the past when PSJ have played KaisAyr, they normally are lucky to have a car-load go to the game, this time they are bringing up a mini-bus of 22!!! They seem quite up for it!

Watch yersel! Some of those Ayrshire boys are nearly as hard as you!

:***: They did have a large Ginger-Haired player that once threatened to eat my dog! I didn't have one!

[G]

In the past when PSJ have played KaisAyr, they normally are lucky to have a car-load go to the game, this time they are bringing up a mini-bus of 22!!! They seem quite up for it!

Watch yersel! Some of those Ayrshire boys are nearly as hard as you!

:***: They did have a large Ginger-Haired player that once threatened to eat my dog! I didn't have one!

He also told me he was going to stick his privates in my ear. Luckily, he never did.

[Saintkev]

In the past when PSJ have played KaisAyr, they normally are lucky to have a car-load go to the game, this time they are bringing up a mini-bus of 22!!! They seem quite up for it!

Watch yersel! Some of those Ayrshire boys are nearly as hard as you!

:***: They did have a large Ginger-Haired player that once threatened to eat my dog! I didn't have one!

He also told me he was going to stick his privates in my ear. Luckily, he never did.

He threatened half the folk in PSJ with random afforts like these, thought he was being menacing... made us laugh... a lot!

[SaintSam1884]

Asked in ticket office this afternoon...

Prices are £16, £5 and £4 as per a normal league match tomorrow. Season tickets are not valid.

[Kevin]

I used to work with a crowd of Ayr fans (and even have one where I work now!), even spent a (very) drunken train journey with them from Kingussie back to Perth when I was refereeing up there and Ayr were at Dingwall.

I can see a fair crowd from Ayr turning up for this game as they seem to get quite a good away support

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Asked in ticket office this afternoon...

Prices are £16, £5 and £4 as per a normal league match tomorrow. Season tickets are not valid.

Oh well that will be £18 to get our usual season ticket seat in the main stand..........I think not somehow...

[chopper]

Having seen Ayr at Stirling Albion a couple of weeks ago (they lost 4-2), they are absolutely rank rotten! Stirling should have won it by 8 or 9 at least, and if it wasn't for lack of concentration Ayr would never have been near the Stirling box.

Stevenson looked lost in the middle of the park so maybe its a bad thing he is suspended, however I would take us to win this by 3 or 4 goals very comfortably. Crowd will be poor from both sides, especially at full whack to get in, with Ayr maybe bringing 200 or so (they had less than 100 at Forthbank) and we will be lucky to see half the regular support turn up IMO.

[Radford 72]

Luckily, the clearance for McInnes has come through so:

Cuthbert

Lawrie - McManus - Anderson - Stanic

Mensing - McInnes - Sheerin - McLaren

Scotland - MacDonald

Subbies: Halliwell, Dyer (U21), Milne, Jackson (U21), Coyle.

[blueheaven]

I hate to say it, but I'm not at all confident about this one.

My line-up would be:

_____________Cuthbert

Lawrie___Anderson___McManus___Dyer

Mensing___McInnes___The Wizard___Stanic

__________Scotland__MacDonald

Subs: Halliwell, Jackson, Milne, McLaren... bloody Hell, I've run out of names... er, Jim Weir!

[john1962]

Subs: Halliwell, Jackson, Milne, McLaren... bloody Hell, I've run out of names... er, Jim Weir!

Should we ask for a postponement? :***:

[mainstand]

Luckily, the clearance for McInnes has come through so:

Cuthbert

Lawrie - McManus - Anderson - Stanic

Mensing - McInnes - Sheerin - McLaren

Scotland - MacDonald

Subbies: Halliwell, Dyer (U21), Milne, Jackson (U21), Coyle.

i suspect you will have a couple of names wrong there due to injury/illness?

[Radford 72]

Luckily, the clearance for McInnes has come through so:

Cuthbert

Lawrie - McManus - Anderson - Stanic

Mensing - McInnes - Sheerin - McLaren

Scotland - MacDonald

Subbies: Halliwell, Dyer (U21), Milne, Jackson (U21), Coyle.

i suspect you will have a couple of names wrong there due to injury/illness?
You have to be joking! We really are down to the bare bones! :shock:

Any clues about the two? :P

[Steve Maskrey]

Any clues about the two? :P

Scotland's doubtful and Halliwell suffers from severe dropsy :***:

[mainstand]

Luckily, the clearance for McInnes has come through so:

Cuthbert

Lawrie - McManus - Anderson - Stanic

Mensing - McInnes - Sheerin - McLaren

Scotland - MacDonald

Subbies: Halliwell, Dyer (U21), Milne, Jackson (U21), Coyle.

i suspect you will have a couple of names wrong there due to injury/illness?
You have to be joking! We really are down to the bare bones! :shock:

Any clues about the two? :P

Wait and see :***:

[Nairn Saint]

I think this will be a harder game than some are expecting! Ayr United will be up for this Scottish Cup away day and have nothing to lose. I think they will go for Saints from the start hoping to turn some of our more fickle fans against us. I would give McLaren a start in the hope he will shine against them. This will need to be a very disciplined performance with Ayr United being treated with the Utmost respect.

I say this every week, but I would be happy with a scrappy 1:0 Saints win and hope for a money spining 4rth round draw.

[saint_markperth]

Asked in ticket office this afternoon...

Prices are £16, £5 and £4 as per a normal league match tomorrow. Season tickets are not valid.

sod that canny afford to fork out more money, two weeks after xmas and a week before my daughters birthday, plus ive just bought 3 season tickets at xmas aswell cnuts, i thought the first home round was always on the ticket?

[Radford 72]

sod that canny afford to fork out more money, two weeks after xmas and a week before my daughters birthday, plus ive just bought 3 season tickets at xmas aswell cnuts, i thought the first home round was always on the ticket?
It is harsh but we lost £30,000 on our home cup ties last season so the club had to do something. Unfortunate the way it's panned out with so many cup ties as we may have done ok this season.

Can't see many folk forking out £16 when there are two FA Cup games live on TV today.

[saints4lyfe]

sod that canny afford to fork out more money, two weeks after xmas and a week before my daughters birthday, plus ive just bought 3 season tickets at xmas aswell cnuts, i thought the first home round was always on the ticket?
It is harsh but we lost £30,000 on our home cup ties last season so the club had to do something. Unfortunate the way it's panned out with so many cup ties as we may have done ok this season.

Can't see many folk forking out £16 when there are two FA Cup games live on TV today.

Yes, im watching the football on the TV, it's to pricey...! at the saints. they should do it at £10 £5 junior.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Radford - can you explain that figure for the losses at home cup ties, because I would be fascinated to here how it was arrived at.

[garydavidson]

If it had been £10 i could have got to perth to the game and back for £20 but since its £18 its just pushing the boat out a little to far for my bank accounts liking.

a day with sky sports scores it is then!

[mainstand]

Radford - can you explain that figure for the losses at home cup ties, because I would be fascinated to here how it was arrived at.

I think it's based on the sums that should have been taken through teh gate if everyone had paid less the opposition share less the cash taht is available. It's a paper loss only as the Club received the money by way of season ticket sales earlier in teh season.

[SJFC1988]

Todays Line Up

SAINTS: Cuthbert, Lawrie, Dyer, Mensing, McManus, Anderson, Sheerin, McInnes, Milne, Scotland, Stanic.
Subs: MacDonald, Jackson, McLaren, Doris, Halliwell

[SlickDT]

Radford - can you explain that figure for the losses at home cup ties, because I would be fascinated to here how it was arrived at.

If I remember correctly Geoff Brown quoted this figure at the start of the season aswell?

[Moray Blue]

0-0 HT.

Quiet in here this afternoon.

[Nairn Saint]

Jason off for Peaso!

[pezza70]

Jason off for Peaso!

There goes my shout for Jason to score first in the prediction league :cry:

[Nairn Saint]

I think this will be a harder game than some are expecting! Ayr United will be up for this Scottish Cup away day and have nothing to lose. I think they will go for Saints from the start hoping to turn some of our more fickle fans against us. I would give McLaren a start in the hope he will shine against them. This will need to be a very disciplined performance with Ayr United being treated with the Utmost respect.

I say this every week, but I would be happy with a scrappy 1:0 Saints win and hope for a money spining 4rth round draw.

PLEASE!

[Victor]

Jackson on for Savo now. Looks like hes sticking to the same formation, different players.

[Nairn Saint]

0-0 HT.

Quiet in here this afternoon.

Bit more excitement in Banff!!

[Nairn Saint]

Time for superior fitness to show?

[Moray Blue]

Time for superior fitness to show?

Elgin fitter than the Vale?

[dan the saint]

its not like us 2 leave it late 2 try in get a goal.***

[Nairn Saint]

Having seen Ayr at Stirling Albion a couple of weeks ago (they lost 4-2), they are absolutely rank rotten! Stirling should have won it by 8 or 9 at least, and if it wasn't for lack of concentration Ayr would never have been near the Stirling box.

Stevenson looked lost in the middle of the park so maybe its a bad thing he is suspended, however I would take us to win this by 3 or 4 goals very comfortably. Crowd will be poor from both sides, especially at full whack to get in, with Ayr maybe bringing 200 or so (they had less than 100 at Forthbank) and we will be lucky to see half the regular support turn up IMO.

Rank rotten you said!

[Victor]

Changes things with McLaren for Dyer with 10 minutes left. This was a home cup tie wasnt it??? :?

[Nairn Saint]

If we hold on for a draw it sets Ryan up for getting the winner in the replay!

[Victor]

McManus, Anderson and Dyer all booked. Dont tell me we were out played??? :shock:

[imported_Jamie_Beatson]

Not at all outplayed, in fact we were on top for vast periods of the game but failed to make many great chances and only forced a couple of saves out of their keeper. They forced one save from Cuthbert from a long range drive, but other than that didn't cause our defence too many problems.

The big difference between the teams was the fact that Ayr were up for it and worked hard whereas our team looked like they simply could not be arsed with the game.

Expecting some complaints about the ref (incredibly fussy, booked Anderson after being completely conned by an Ayr player) and the stewarding which was an utter disaster...

Jamie

[Cagey]

Things a re not getting any better. pass marks today for Cuthbert ,Ando,Dyer,Stanic Sheerin, Savo & Jackson the rest were pish poor. How long is he going to persist with Mensing in midfield & McInnes is just as I remember him ,totally innefective. 3 time in the first haf he could have had a shot or played it into the 18 yard box but he looped it back out to the wing where it had just come from. Was he on the field in the second half ?.Lawrie was back to his old self & McManus kept lashing the ball up the field or out for a throw. Goran was the only one who tried to play football & Sheerin was OK apart from his shooting.

Bad day at the office. Coyle never changed anything ,all subs were like for like. Things are not looking too good.

[chopper]

Rank rotten you said!

Well I wasn't there today but from the viewpoint of my reliable source who was (my mum!) we were rank rotten and they weren't much better - so maybe I was right, just overestimated our esteemed players!

[Nick]

Very poor stuff again!

Despite have the majority of possesion, Ayr looked the better side. The could pass the ball, the moved, and the played with passion. We relied on McManus to punt the ball up to JAson and Savo, in which there 6 foot defenders easily won, and the process started all over again. Mensing's performance was nothing short of disgraceful. He looked like he couldny geh a fuk. And why Coyle persists to play him at right mid - i dont hav a clue. Sheerin tried, but the long ball play and lack of movement didnt help him. McInnes was very poor, looked far to short of mathc practice, and constatly chose to try and do a high looping ball over their defence which continuelly failed. His tackling was poor, aswell as heading. The game seemed to bypass him. Hopefully with games he will improve but he doesnt look anythign like the answer. Jase went off at half time complaing about his calf, and Peaso came on without making an impact due to the high ball game. Coyle and his inability to change tactics while bringing a sub on showed as he brough Jackson on for Savo, who IMO was clearly our best player. The only player that was trying to make an effort. McLaren also came on and did resonable, had a good volley but straight at the keeper.

We have no chance on promotion this season, unless Coyle starts learning from his mistakes, and brings in players we need, who are considerably better than the likes of McInnes.

[blueheaven]

Absolutely stinking, but the worrying thing for me is that is was predictably so. We are absolutely clueless - no cohesion, no chance-taking, too many players punting the ball without thinking, too many faces looking disinterested, too many players looking like they don't know what they're meant to be doing. We were extremely lucky not to get knocked out today, because - as usual - after failing to take advantage of our possession and chances in the first half, we disappeared in the second half, couldn't adapt tactically to the opposition, and ended up looking nervous and liable to concede at any moment.

And another thing - what the Hell has happened to our squad? Why do we have hardly any players any more? For me, we looked a strong, promising team last season, but we don't even bear a resemblance to that team any more. Coyle put together a good, fresh and at times even exciting team very early on in reign here, but watching him now dismantle it is turning out to be a long, painful process.

What a load of rubbish.

[Nairn Saint]

If we hold on for a draw it sets Ryan up for getting the winner in the replay!

Any odds for Ryan Stevenson dumping us out of the cup?

[MUZZ]

DIRE, no passion, no ideas, no clue, no nothing.

ayr were more dangerous than us. poor game

[el doro]

Poor game all round. Thought Owen could have done more with the changes, why take savo off? Why not shove 3 up front and at least appear to be wanting to win!

McInnes looked average at best today. If thats the best he's got then a poor signing. Although in his defence im sure he's short of fitness and match practice, but if thats so then why did he walk straight into the team?

[Steve Maskrey]

We passed the ball about too much without ever moving it forward and causing them problems in their box. Their keeper was pretty dodgy but we failed to put him under too much pressure. He made two great saves from Savo in the first half and McLaren late on, but had very little to do the rest of the game. Same goes for Cuthbert, really

I believe Dobbie would've scored for us today :(

[HertsSaintee]

Agree with what's been said already by Nick and Cagey.

The last few games we have been dire, and just when you think the performances can't get any worse... We have to learn that we can't just play for the final few minutes and hope for a last minute goal - that didn't even happen today, and we've ended up looking like donkeys against a 2nd division side, and not a great one at that, at home.

Listened to an interview with Jim Jeffries on the radio coming home - he was describing a lot of his Kilmarnock players as "believing their own hype after a few media plaudits" when they had had a few good results. Went on about how that was now causing a lack of application, effort, committment and concentration. I believe that based on the last few performances, that is us. The trouble is, we don't appear at this stage to have either the players on the park willing to stand up and be counted, or a manager who is willing, or God forbid, even capable of changing a game plan during a match where it's obvious Plan A isn't working. Said manager also doesn't appear to identify the type of player we need to solve our obvious problems. Instead we get McInnes.

The problems today are getting boring: 1) Too many aimless punted forward balls bypassing midfield. 2) Panic in defence when simple communication between players would make their lives easier. 3) No sense of urgency or pace anywhere in the side, especially coming forward. 4) Severely lacking in mobility and invention off the ball - nobody willing to try and lose a marker or make a run.

Apart from that, we were brilliant. :evil:

Get it sorted Coyle - ageing journeymen like McInnes are NOT the answer going by what we witnessed today - even those with severely blue tinted specs will start to lose confidence if this goes on much longer.


Herts

[The Real Saints]

According to the player ratings on the Queen of the South Website, Dobbie was the best player on the park today. :(

[MUZZ]

i know its only one game in but you always noticed sheridan on the pitch doing his stuff. hardly seen our new man derek at all today..... didnt seem to want to get stuck in...

[Shaggy Jenkins]

i know its only one game in but you always noticed sheridan on the pitch doing his stuff. hardly seen our new man derek at all today..... didnt seem to want to get stuck in...

Or pass forward :?

[templeofsaints]

Absolutely pish today - no heart, no fight, no creativity and precious little effort for the most part. McInnes looks a total waste of space - looks unfit, and showed no sign of the holding midfielder we wanted. Scotland was back to his worst and doesn't look fit. The defence was all over the place at times - how often does Veraille need to get room for a shot.

I'm about ready to give up on Owen - there's no shape to the side and the lack of effort from what is now his team was pathetic. Maybe if we signed some younger hungrier players there might be a bit more spark.

[HertsSaintee]

i know its only one game in but you always noticed sheridan on the pitch doing his stuff

Good point Muzz. Felt we really missed someone like him today. Far too much standing off players. As Joni Mitchell once sang, "you don't know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone"...


Herts

[blueheaven]

i know its only one game in but you always noticed sheridan on the pitch doing his stuff. hardly seen our new man derek at all today..... didnt seem to want to get stuck in...

Agree 100%. I don't want to criticise McInnes because it was his first game and, "big name" signing or not, he needs to be given a fair chance to get match fit and settle in. But, regardless of that, Sheridan was a huge miss today.

[templeofsaints]

i know its only one game in but you always noticed sheridan on the pitch doing his stuff. hardly seen our new man derek at all today..... didnt seem to want to get stuck in...

Agree 100%. I don't want to criticise McInnes because it was his first game and, "big name" signing or not, he needs to be given a fair chance to get match fit and settle in. But, regardless of that, Sheridan was a huge miss today.

Best comment I've heard to describe him - "Owen's Rudi Vata"! :***:

[Aitchy]

Turned up at the game today and heard that Stanic was playing left-midfield, and thought that perhaps Mr Coyle had seen the light and was going to play a different game plan? How wrong was i?!! Although Ayr never actually troubled us today, our players did'nt seem to be interested - lack of effort, application..... the list goes on.

Does anyone know if Savo Milne was injured today? If not then Coyle made one of the most baffling substitutions ever!! We are drawing with a team a divison below us, and he decides to sub an experienced forward for an inexperienced forward! Surely he should have pulled off a midfielder or defender.

The referee was terribile today, but that was no excuse for the performance from our team. Only Stanic, Anderson and Dyer were near decent, the rest were abysmal. Does anyone else think that if Dyer is given the chance, he could become a good player. Surely Coyle can see that Mensing isnt a right midfielder, he was playing well at the start of the season in the center, why change him? McInnes looked to be not match-fit, hopefully he will get better.

Overall i hope Coyle see's the light and realises where we are going wrong, be interesting to see if we sign anyone this week. Whoever is compiling the scouting reports for Hibs will have an easy job, all they will need to put on report is that we lack organasation, passion, commiment and any sort of a game-plan. Things can only get better (hopefully). :D

[Skeeter]

We passed the ball about too much without ever moving it forward and causing them problems in their box. Their keeper was pretty dodgy but we failed to put him under too much pressure. He made two great saves from Savo in the first half and McLaren late on, but had very little to do the rest of the game. Same goes for Cuthbert, really

I believe Dobbie would've scored for us today :(

I don't as there was precious little quality service coming through from midfield. Stanic was the only one who looked to me to be trying to create anything today.

P.S. Well done the mongo army. Could hear you from the main stand right up until the end of the game which helped drown out the moaners!

[SaintSam1884]

The problem with us at the moment is our midfield is so slow that it is overrun time and time again by a side with any hint of pace in their own midfield. The fact that Ayr United, a poor second division outfit also managed to exploit that today says it all really.

The addition of Derek McInnes is not going to alter the pace problem, and the issue will continue to be prominent. As a result of this, the midfield will continue to sit too close to the defence and too far away from the strikers, leaving Scotland, Milne and MacDonald upfront running about like headless chickens. The goals will soon all but dry up.

I was completely unimpressed with Derek McInnes today and whilst I appreciate that he's not fit, he didn't come across like the holding midfielder we so desperately need. He reminded me of David Hannah at times. Coyle needs to get a grip and sign some pace into this team.

[208saint]

Rubbish doesn't begin to describe that performance, but I felt we were still by far the better team and should have won.

We only had two ranges of passing - short passes that led to us going side to side or the passes back to our defenders to hump up the field to one of either two places the first being out of the park and the second being up to that big guy we have just signed up front (Mr feckin naebody).

We couldn't be anything other than predictable because the midfield was so one paced it was unbelieveable, no sorry it was believeable because if you have a midfield with three over 30's and a full back you ain't going to get much else. Maybe McLaren did get a bit stick the other day but at least he offers us something different. Why didn't Coyle give him a start.

I hope that Jason picked up a knock and Savo is not capable of playing for the full 90 minutes because that can surely be the only reason for the substitutions. Peaso is okay as a finisher but he ain't ever going to be a great provider of goals, especially when playing alongside a youngster who has still to convince many that he is actually as good as the hype. As somebody else said why not go three up top?

I think a lot of the blame for this performance has to go down to Coyle himself. The doubts are starting to rise again about him in my mind. He said that he had players lined up to come in but this morning he is quoted in the papers as saying that he has made enquiries to five clubs or about five players with nothing happening. Doesn't sound like they were lined up to me.

Is the cup run saving Coyle from a good bit of pressure and more dissenting voices? I certainly think so.

[SaintSam1884]

I think Coyle had options today...

As much as I thought Dyer performed well both Tuesday and today, I think Stanic should have stayed in defence to allow for McLarens pace to be injected into the midfield. McLarens introduction late in the match showed glimpses of something good. I think Coyle should have lined up:

Cuthbert

Lawrie Anderson McManus Stanic

Mensing McInnes Sheerin McLaren

Scotland MacDonald

McLaren had two decent chances in the short time he was on the pitch, and his pace would have left those second division defenders for dead.

[mainstand]

I think Coyle had options today...

As much as I thought Dyer performed well both Tuesday and today, I think Stanic should have stayed in defence to allow for McLarens pace to be injected into the midfield. McLarens introduction late in the match showed glimpses of something good. I think Coyle should have lined up:

Cuthbert

Lawrie Anderson McManus Stanic

Mensing McInnes Sheerin McLaren

Scotland MacDonald

McLaren had two decent chances in the short time he was on the pitch, and his pace would have left those second division defenders for dead.

Sam maybe just maybe the manager has a wee bit more info at his finger tips than you do.

NacDonald did not train yesterday and wasn't taking part the other day, as such did well I think to make the bench.

McLaren took a sore one at training yesterday and I thought was a dounbt for today, although he did complete the training after a rest, but who knows it might have stiffened up over night.

SO maybe he did not have all the options that you seem to think he had.

[blueheaven]

He said that he had players lined up to come in but this morning he is quoted in the papers as saying that he has made enquiries to five clubs or about five players with nothing happening. Doesn't sound like they were lined up to me.

I'm guessing that all of our targets will get better offers from elsewhere and, come the last day of the transfer window, we'll be forced to give last minute loan deals to a couple of SPL fringe youngsters who will turn out not to be good enough. Either that, or we sign someone else who's 30+ and used to play for Airdrie.

[SaintSam1884]

I think Coyle had options today...

As much as I thought Dyer performed well both Tuesday and today, I think Stanic should have stayed in defence to allow for McLarens pace to be injected into the midfield. McLarens introduction late in the match showed glimpses of something good. I think Coyle should have lined up:

Cuthbert

Lawrie Anderson McManus Stanic

Mensing McInnes Sheerin McLaren

Scotland MacDonald

McLaren had two decent chances in the short time he was on the pitch, and his pace would have left those second division defenders for dead.

Sam maybe just maybe the manager has a wee bit more info at his finger tips than you do.

NacDonald did not train yesterday and wasn't taking part the other day, as such did well I think to make the bench.

McLaren took a sore one at training yesterday and I thought was a dounbt for today, although he did complete the training after a rest, but who knows it might have stiffened up over night.

SO maybe he did not have all the options that you seem to think he had.

Coyle seems perfectly willing to play Kevin James with a huge strap around his leg, why not Peter MacDonald and Willie McLaren?

You really aren't going to convince me on this one, Mainstand! :wink:

[mainstand]

Coyle seems perfectly willing to play Kevin James with a huge strap around his leg, why not Peter MacDonald and Willie McLaren?

You really aren't going to convince me on this one, Mainstand! :wink:

No I doubt if I will ever manage that.

The words woman, football and stubborn spell DANGER get out when you can :wink:

[MUZZ]

He said that he had players lined up to come in but this morning he is quoted in the papers as saying that he has made enquiries to five clubs or about five players with nothing happening. Doesn't sound like they were lined up to me.

I'm guessing that all of our targets will get better offers from elsewhere and, come the last day of the transfer window, we'll be forced to give last minute loan deals to a couple of SPL fringe youngsters who will turn out not to be good enough. Either that, or we sign someone else who's 30+ and used to play for Airdrie.

agree, the fact is we are trailing gretna by some distance in the league and its hard enough trying to get players in january without that burden. the only signings we are capable of are loan deals and out of contract players who are desperate for a club. we're stuck in a rut when it comes to signing players, really needing quality players but got nothing to offer
them in terms of prospects for the season

[Aitchy]

we're stuck in a rut when it comes to signing players, really needing quality players but got nothing to offer
them in terms of prospects for the season

Muzz, who would you class as a quality player who the club could realistically afford?

Why have we not got any prospects for the season? Sure Gretna are 11 points clear, but we still have to play the twice, and teams have had larger leads at the top and thrown them away. Also we are in the Semi-Finals of the league cup, if a player is not cup-tied then the oppurtunity to play in the Hibs game and hopefully the final should hold massive appeal. Also we are a well run club, have a good stadium etc - we should be a more appealing club to join than the likes of QoS, Dundee, Hamilton.

[Chuck Norris]

Muzz, who would you class as a quality player who the club could realistically afford?
It's not worth the bother Aitchy - we could sign Ronaldinho and people would say "he's past it", "I don't like his teeth", "he apparently likes a drink and a doobie" etc etc.

[MUZZ]

we're stuck in a rut when it comes to signing players, really needing quality players but got nothing to offer
them in terms of prospects for the season

Muzz, who would you class as a quality player who the club could realistically afford?

Why have we not got any prospects for the season? Sure Gretna are 11 points clear, but we still have to play the twice, and teams have had larger leads at the top and thrown them away. Also we are in the Semi-Finals of the league cup, if a player is not cup-tied then the oppurtunity to play in the Hibs game and hopefully the final should hold massive appeal. Also we are a well run club, have a good stadium etc - we should be a more appealing club to join than the likes of QoS, Dundee, Hamilton.

what i'm saying is in january your limited to what players you can get. anyone half decent will have many clubs after them. say for example a decent player became available today and motherwell, gretna and saints came in for him, with well and gretna offering more money, the chance of him coming to us would be slim.

[Nick]

. Whoever is compiling the scouting reports for Hibs will have an easy job, all they will need to put on report is that we lack organasation, passion, commiment and any sort of a game-plan. Things can only get better (hopefully). :D

John Collins was at the game today. He'll be sticking his reserves out against us, and he'll stil have the right to be confident.

[Mikeec]

He said that he had players lined up to come in but this morning he is quoted in the papers as saying that he has made enquiries to five clubs or about five players with nothing happening. Doesn't sound like they were lined up to me.

I'm guessing that all of our targets will get better offers from elsewhere and, come the last day of the transfer window, we'll be forced to give last minute loan deals to a couple of SPL fringe youngsters who will turn out not to be good enough. Either that, or we sign someone else who's 30+ and used to play for Airdrie.

Every thread you use then same old Airdrie Shite - of todays team only McManus and McLaren were ex Airdrie and none of his signing targets mentioned so far have airdrie connections.

[SJC]

Scotland had some sort of problem with his calf, the physio was communicating with him throughout the first half so it was no surprise when he didn't come out for the second half, when he was off the pitch we provided very little threat.

We missed Sheridan badly today, also Hardie as the midfield did bugger all resulting in the long ball game which we have all grown to hate.

I can only guess that Savo was subbed as he was taking a bit of a kicking from Ayr's no 6, who then went on to give Peaso the same treatment afterwards.

Awful performance, but we should still have won the game with the chances we created.

[HertsSaintee]

also Hardie as the midfield did bugger all

Funny that. I was joking with my mate at half time about us "missing Martin Hardie" today. With all due respect, and Hardie does his best, but seriously, it just shows how far we've fallen since the end of the 90s.

Ah, let those of us who live in the past keep deluding ourselves....


Herts

[Chansey]

Maybe if we signed some younger hungrier players there might be a bit more spark.

We've got dyer and jackson, about as young and hungry as they get, but aren't getting a game. Under coyle we are far to predictable, teams know what side we are going to put out we even set foot on the ground. Also when we do change personal our game doesn't change, what happened to playing according to the players strengths??

[Ronaldo]

:oops:

[Tam O'Shanter]

I expected a much tougher game than we got, but after 15 mins i had predicted 0-0, that said I think McGeown was only had 2 saves all game. We also had a late call off from one of our few decents players, so it will be interesting to see how the replay goes if we bring in a few of the players who were missing today, and depending on how big the rocket Mr Coyle puts under the arses of your players.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Not much can be added to what has already been said on here.

One thing I would like to know is, how do people see these players looking un-interested - Mensing has been accused of it again today, but every time I see his face he looks like he is either going to bust a gut or bust the opposition player :?

[Radford 72]

Mensing had a shocker but I think we should be thankful that he's eligible to play in the replay as Mensing of last season would have let his frustration get the better of him. Simon has matured, as a player, beyond all belief this season IMO since he was moved into midfield.

Can we play as badly as that again? To still be in the competition after playing poorly is a positive and I'm sure OC can see the problems with the side at the moment. The lack of pace in the midfield is the root of all our problems. They end up sitting too deep so to not get the gaps behind them exposed and when teams like Ayr get in their faces, they don't have the conviction to keep on trying to pass the ball and as a result we end up with the long balls, which is no use for guys like Jason, Savo, Jacko and to a lesser extent Peaso, who does try his best with them.

We have Sheerin, McLaren and now Stanic capable of playing on the left so we need to get an outlet on the right with pace, someone you can move forward quickly. At one stage yesterday, Goran received a quick ball from KC and broke up field but when he crossed the ball and it was nodded clear there was no Saints player even there competing for the loose ball.

We are going through a sticky spell at the moment but we won't get anywhere if we don't show a bit of faith in the manager and the players that two months ago were heroes. A bit of it comes back to expectations again. We as a group of fans need to start being far more realistic about our potential IMO.

[blueheaven]

A bit of it comes back to expectations again. We as a group of fans need to start being far more realistic about our potential IMO.

This club has the "potential" to be playing in the SPL - fact! All fans have high expectations - it's perfectly healthy.

[Radford 72]

This club has the "potential" to be playing in the SPL - fact! All fans have high expectations - it's perfectly healthy.This club is in the semi-final of a seeded cup competition, improved their league placing by six positions last season and are second this term only to a club with resources that we can only dream about. In any other season, we'd be top of the league with a game in hand and on course for promotion. Yet there is still unrest surrounding Coyle. I'm not his biggest fan but there is no way there should be talk of sacking him at this stage.

As expected, we were never going to be able to match Gretna this season.

[HeronAddict]

I've only seen Saints 4 times this season due to location so can't really comment first-hand on general performances but going back to the days of Connolly's brief reign the main problem we always had was a lack of pace and creativity in the midfield. This meant the gap between the midfield and strikers was too big and we weren't causing teams enough problems. In addition in the second half of games we always seemed to sit back and let the opposition come at us, whether out of choice or due to the lack of mobility/fitness of our aging team.

Reading what everyone seems to have been saying about the performance yesterday, it seems nothing has changed. For me, the signing of McInnes is just bizarre. He's never been any more than a reasonably capable holding midfielder, and he has nowhere near the terrier-like dog of war attitude Sheridan had. Coyle's had two years to sort out the midfield and the fact that he's still signing one-paced, past-it mates like McInnes makes me seriously question his judgement.

The treatment of Willie Mclaren is also bizarre to me. He always looked excellent when we played Airdrie, and he when we signed him I thought he was the genuine winger we were crying out for. Instead he's hardly played. He's clearly a guy who needs some confidence, so seeing a left-back playing in his position yesterday is hardly going to do him any good.

Finally, what the hell has happened to Neil Janczyk? He wasn't even on the bench yesterday, which considering we have no other midfielders apart from those in the team seemed bizarre to me. I know he's not rated by many, but he was hardly given a chance and looked ok when I saw him. He must have done something to seriously piss Coyle off.

Anyway, I still support the manager, but he needs to produce a right-sided player with pace and a creative central midfielder this month for us to have any chance of the league. I'm not holding my breath though.

[Broggy Man]

i know its only one game in but you always noticed sheridan on the pitch doing his stuff. hardly seen our new man derek at all today..... didnt seem to want to get stuck in...

Beg to differ there MUzz. We played a lot higher up the park today. Other games would have seen us sitting on top of our back four.

[Broggy Man]

At the end of the day Ayr did not really trouble us to any great extent. We were well below par and still should have one the game. I have no fears going to somerset for the replay it is the cup and was there cup final hence the size of there travelling support which was one of the best from a noise sense we have had this season apart from maybe the doonhamers.
All this panic jesus look at Killie. We have another chance to get it right and hopefully a new right sided midfielder will be on the field for us in that game so please no more doom and gloom.

[Scobby_SJFC]

So who is going to the replay?

Wet Wednesday nigh in Ayr sounds fun, will get the train down there! Hopefully get a couple of hundred!

[Hazel1884]

Was speaking to Jason Scotland last night - his injury is sore but should be ok for Saturday. He also admitted he's very lazy! :***:

[Tam O'Shanter]

At the end of the day Ayr did not really trouble us
I have no fears going to somerset for the replay it is the cup and was there cup final hence the size of there travelling support

Having watched m team at Hampden in 2002 in the Final of the League Cup, I can confirm that yesterday was not a cup final for Ayr United. If you reach the final of the 2007 competition, maybe then you can afford to be so condescending.

[Chuck Norris]

Having watched m team at Hampden in 2002 in the Final of the League Cup, I can confirm that yesterday was not a cup final for Ayr United. If you reach the final of the 2007 competition, maybe then you can afford to be so condescending.
Condescending people said our semi against Hearts in 1998 was "our cup final". We had a rather more effective way of shutting them up.

[blueheaven]

This club is in the semi-final of a seeded cup competition, improved their league placing by six positions last season and are second this term only to a club with resources that we can only dream about. In any other season, we'd be top of the league with a game in hand and on course for promotion.

Weren't you saying a little while ago something along the lines of "what will it take for Saints fans to realise things aren't going well?". Now that people have joined you in worrying about the situation, you seem to have changed your tune? Or was that not you?

[Radford 72]

Weren't you saying a little while ago something along the lines of "what will it take for Saints fans to realise things aren't going well?". Now that people have joined you in worrying about the situation, you seem to have changed your tune? Or was that not you?
That was me! But now we've gone to the other extreme! I like to think I've been quite consistent throughout. I was cautiously optimistic about the way things were going but just as I wasn't gonna let a couple of cup victories turn us into worldbeaters, I'm not gonna let a few poor performances turn us in Dundee.

I was never as worried as most folk seem to be now. I'll still feel the same if we beat Gretna and Hibs at the end of the month and will be painted as negative again when I make my points, just as I'm being painted as positive'deluded at the moment probably.

[Hazel1884]

I think people are just getting frustrated about the problems being evident but nothing being done to improve them or change the problem to improve performance on the pitch.

To me, in the past 3 games Saints have lacked any passion, fighting quality and little effort from some players - but players who do underperform are maybe to safe in their jersey on a Saturday.

[Nairn Saint]

I think people are just getting frustrated about the problems being evident but nothing being done to improve them or change the problem to improve performance on the pitch.

To me, in the past 3 games Saints have lacked any passion, fighting quality and little effort from some players - but players who do underperform are maybe to safe in their jersey on a Saturday.

See the posts from a year ago!

[Radford 72]

I think people are just getting frustrated about the problems being evident but nothing being done to improve them or change the problem to improve performance on the pitch.

To me, in the past 3 games Saints have lacked any passion, fighting quality and little effort from some players - but players who do underperform are maybe to safe in their jersey on a Saturday.
How can we have lacked passion though when we scored two late goals to beat Clyde and a last-minute goal to beat County? Does it not take a level of passion to achieve that.

Coyle will recognise the problems and will strengthen the side I firmly believe. :wink:

[Hazel1884]

I think people are just getting frustrated about the problems being evident but nothing being done to improve them or change the problem to improve performance on the pitch.

To me, in the past 3 games Saints have lacked any passion, fighting quality and little effort from some players - but players who do underperform are maybe to safe in their jersey on a Saturday.
How can we have lacked passion though when we scored two late goals to beat Clyde and a last-minute goal to beat County? Does it not take a level of passion to achieve that.

Coyle will recognise the problems and will strengthen the side I firmly believe. :wink:

Yes, Radford - but who has basically turned these games? The substitutes have come on, things have been swapped round and i suppose it turns into a reality that they arenae getting there bonus if it's a defeat or a draw :wink: I just feel we lack the will to win at times - there is belief yes, but Saints just don't look like they have it at times.

On a totally unrelated note, any idea how many goals we've conceeded in the first 15-20minutes of the second half?

These rumours about who Owen is bringing in to strengthen haven't convinced me yet, Radders. Too many targets supposedly being lined up - reminds me of the Sam Morrow case when he wouldn't commit and we nearly got Tam bleedin McManus! :***: Mind you, transfer window has only been open a week so i will give him the benefit of the doubt!

Incidentally, anybody come in for forgotten ice cream man Jancjyk yet?? :oops: :oops:

[Radford 72]

Yes, Radford - but who has basically turned these games? The substitutes have come on, things have been swapped round and i suppose it turns into a reality that they arenae getting there bonus if it's a defeat or a draw :wink: I just feel we lack the will to win at times - there is belief yes, but Saints just don't look like they have it at times.
Coyle made the changes though so he deserves credit for that no? I think the players get paid bonuses for league positions so it shouldn't be having that much of an effect! :wink:

Guessing, I would say Coyle's thinking at the moment is along the lines of Savo goes out and runs the legs of a defence for 60 minutes then Peaso comes on to cause damage. I think Peaso should be starting but then I also respect that Coyle sees them in training every day.

On a totally unrelated note, any idea how many goals we've conceeded in the first 15-20minutes of the second half?
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These rumours about who Owen is bringing in to strengthen haven't convinced me yet, Radders. Too many targets supposedly being lined up - reminds me of the Sam Morrow case when he wouldn't commit and we nearly got Tam bleedin McManus! :***: Mind you, transfer window has only been open a week so i will give him the benefit of the doubt!

Incidentally, anybody come in for forgotten ice cream man Jancjyk yet?? :oops: :oops:
For all the transfers we've known about (Lawrie, Mensing etc...) he's pulled rabbits out of the hate with guys like Savo. I think he'll bring good quality players to the club, he wouldn't have let Stevenson, Dobbie etc... go if he wasn't confident of doing so.

I hate myself for saying this but... Keep the faith! :oops:

Neil Who? :***:

[slf]

the fighting at the letham hoose wiz braw tae see.pure passion better than the game eh.us v ayr think we won ha ha

[Monster1910]

So who is going to the replay?

Wet Wednesday nigh in Ayr sounds fun, will get the train down there! Hopefully get a couple of hundred!

If you are travelling please take time to consider very carefully the implications of purchasing any catering inside the ground. It is franchised out and is over-priced, with everything(and i mean EVERYTHING) deep-fried, including the pies..... :oops:

As far as the game goes, i'm not sure i agree with the summation that Saints were well on top. I can only really remember one save made by Mark McGeown and like Tam O'Shanter i was rather pleased and surprised at how poor Saints were.

I'm sure it will be another close game next Wednesday, but i doubt it will be as easy for Saints as some of you believe.

Paul Sheerin was a big favourite of mine when he was at Somerset and although i'm not sure how he got the sponsors award on Saturday, it was nice to see him play again. Reminds me of the days when we had some quality...... :cry:

[Nairn Saint]

So who is going to the replay?

Wet Wednesday nigh in Ayr sounds fun, will get the train down there! Hopefully get a couple of hundred!

If you are travelling please take time to consider very carefully the implications of purchasing any catering inside the ground. It is franchised out and is over-priced, with everything(and i mean EVERYTHING) deep-fried, including the pies..... :oops:

As far as the game goes, i'm not sure i agree with the summation that Saints were well on top. I can only really remember one save made by Mark McGeown and like Tam O'Shanter i was rather pleased and surprised at how poor Saints were.

I'm sure it will be another close game next Wednesday, but i doubt it will be as easy for Saints as some of you believe.

Paul Sheerin was a big favourite of mine when he was at Somerset and although i'm not sure how he got the sponsors award on Saturday, it was nice to see him play again. Reminds me of the days when we had some quality...... :cry:

Hi Monster, I'm one of the realists on here who knows we're in for a tough match. I'm not at all confident that we can beat you at your place. It will be interesting to see if Ryan plays. I think he is a decent player and should still be at Saints.

Best of luck..............

[Scobby_SJFC]

So who is going to the replay?

Wet Wednesday nigh in Ayr sounds fun, will get the train down there! Hopefully get a couple of hundred!

If you are travelling please take time to consider very carefully the implications of purchasing any catering inside the ground. It is franchised out and is over-priced, with everything(and i mean EVERYTHING) deep-fried, including the pies..... :oops:

As far as the game goes, i'm not sure i agree with the summation that Saints were well on top. I can only really remember one save made by Mark McGeown and like Tam O'Shanter i was rather pleased and surprised at how poor Saints were.

I'm sure it will be another close game next Wednesday, but i doubt it will be as easy for Saints as some of you believe.

Paul Sheerin was a big favourite of mine when he was at Somerset and although i'm not sure how he got the sponsors award on Saturday, it was nice to see him play again. Reminds me of the days when we had some quality...... :cry:

How far from Ayr Central is the stadium Monster?? Thinking about coming but need the train, if its too far might not bother, but I do wish to attend

[Monster1910]

So who is going to the replay?

Wet Wednesday nigh in Ayr sounds fun, will get the train down there! Hopefully get a couple of hundred!

If you are travelling please take time to consider very carefully the implications of purchasing any catering inside the ground. It is franchised out and is over-priced, with everything(and i mean EVERYTHING) deep-fried, including the pies..... :oops:

As far as the game goes, i'm not sure i agree with the summation that Saints were well on top. I can only really remember one save made by Mark McGeown and like Tam O'Shanter i was rather pleased and surprised at how poor Saints were.

I'm sure it will be another close game next Wednesday, but i doubt it will be as easy for Saints as some of you believe.

Paul Sheerin was a big favourite of mine when he was at Somerset and although i'm not sure how he got the sponsors award on Saturday, it was nice to see him play again. Reminds me of the days when we had some quality...... :cry:

How far from Ayr Central is the stadium Monster?? Thinking about coming but need the train, if its too far might not bother, but I do wish to attend

Hi.

Ayr station is about 15 minutes walk from the ground. To be honest you'd be better off taking a taxi from there (probably £3, tops) if you don't know the way as it's a bit complicated to explain, unless you are with some other Saints who have been before.

Every second train stops at Newton-on-Ayr, which is 5 minutes from the ground, but you'd need to check the timetable for the stops.

Try google maps or if you need more info try www.honestpage.co.uk and ask on the forums.

Hope you come down and enjoy the replay in a fine old school ground.

Good luck.

[Scobby_SJFC]

So who is going to the replay?

Wet Wednesday nigh in Ayr sounds fun, will get the train down there! Hopefully get a couple of hundred!

If you are travelling please take time to consider very carefully the implications of purchasing any catering inside the ground. It is franchised out and is over-priced, with everything(and i mean EVERYTHING) deep-fried, including the pies..... :oops:

As far as the game goes, i'm not sure i agree with the summation that Saints were well on top. I can only really remember one save made by Mark McGeown and like Tam O'Shanter i was rather pleased and surprised at how poor Saints were.

I'm sure it will be another close game next Wednesday, but i doubt it will be as easy for Saints as some of you believe.

Paul Sheerin was a big favourite of mine when he was at Somerset and although i'm not sure how he got the sponsors award on Saturday, it was nice to see him play again. Reminds me of the days when we had some quality...... :cry:

How far from Ayr Central is the stadium Monster?? Thinking about coming but need the train, if its too far might not bother, but I do wish to attend

Hi.

Ayr station is about 15 minutes walk from the ground. To be honest you'd be better off taking a taxi from there (probably £3, tops) if you don't know the way as it's a bit complicated to explain, unless you are with some other Saints who have been before.

Every second train stops at Newton-on-Ayr, which is 5 minutes from the ground, but you'd need to check the timetable for the stops.

Try google maps or if you need more info try www.honestpage.co.uk and ask on the forums.

Hope you come down and enjoy the replay in a fine old school ground.

Good luck.

Cheers hopefully will go down and get a decent game, without the infamous Ayr Wind blowing around!

[HertsSaintee]

Ayr Wind

Boom, boom! :)


Herts

[chopper]

Folks, a wee favour please.

Mike Tumilty was the referee on Saturday - who were the assistants please?

[sjm89]

one of them was Ramzan Bashir.

[saint_markperth]

looks like if we do get past ayr we will be up against man city's own kapser schmeichel, has only played a handfull of first team games but is a solid keeper

[chopper]

Hibs and Aberdeen's replay has cost us a profit from this cup run!!! We were scheduled to be Sky's live replay next Thursday night until last night's draw.

[Skeeter]

Folks, a wee favour please.

Mike Tumilty was the referee on Saturday - who were the assistants please?

one of them was Ramzan Bashir.

Iain Craig was the other one.

[Radford 72]

Hibs and Aberdeen's replay has cost us a profit from this cup run!!! We were scheduled to be Sky's live replay next Thursday night until last night's draw.
Really?

That is a shame as it'll mean we miss out on £82,500! :(

[chopper]

Thanks sjm88 and skeeter

Really?

That is a shame as it'll mean we miss out on £82,500!

Really! Sky have to show a replay as part of their deal and my mate from the Ayrshire refs is in hospitality and had been informed by Ayr United that it may be a Thursday as Sky had put them on standby pending the Aberdeen-Hibs match.

[t]

What's this in todays PA about 'tickets' now available for this match - why is this game all ticket ?

[Saintkev]

What's this in todays PA about 'tickets' now available for this match - why is this game all ticket ?

I assumed that was a mistake!

[saint_markperth]

No typo, its all ticket, from ayr website

Prices have now been confirmed for our 3rd round replay with St. Johnstone on Wednesday the 17th of January (7:45 KO). They are as follows:

Adults £12 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)
Child/OAP £6 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)

[Saintkev]

Where does it say all ticket?

[Tranmere Saintee]

No typo, its all ticket, from ayr website

Prices have now been confirmed for our 3rd round replay with St. Johnstone on Wednesday the 17th of January (7:45 KO). They are as follows:

Adults £12 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)
Child/OAP £6 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)

:? :? Were does it say all ticket :? :?

[saint_markperth]

No typo, its all ticket, from ayr website

Prices have now been confirmed for our 3rd round replay with St. Johnstone on Wednesday the 17th of January (7:45 KO). They are as follows:

Adults £12 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)
Child/OAP £6 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)

:? :? Were does it say all ticket :? :?

i could have sworn it said tickets have now been confirmed

[Saintkev]

No typo, its all ticket, from ayr website

Prices have now been confirmed for our 3rd round replay with St. Johnstone on Wednesday the 17th of January (7:45 KO). They are as follows:

Adults £12 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)
Child/OAP £6 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)

:? :? Were does it say all ticket :? :?

Can a moderator please have a word about his terrible use of 'where' and 'were' and very possibly 'wear'. :wink:

[Saintkev]

i could have sworn it said tickets have now been confirmed

It doesn't! :roll:

[Tranmere Saintee]

Can a moderator please have a word about his terrible use of 'where' and 'were' and very possibly 'wear'. :wink:

Is a moderator allowed to swear (If LethamSaintee isn't watching :***: ) and tell somebody to F**k Off.

[MUZZ]

No typo, its all ticket, from ayr website

Prices have now been confirmed for our 3rd round replay with St. Johnstone on Wednesday the 17th of January (7:45 KO). They are as follows:

Adults £12 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)
Child/OAP £6 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)

:? :? Were does it say all ticket :? :?

i could have sworn it said tickets have now been confirmed

it did, i seen that too

[Saintkev]

No typo, its all ticket, from ayr website

Prices have now been confirmed for our 3rd round replay with St. Johnstone on Wednesday the 17th of January (7:45 KO). They are as follows:

Adults £12 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)
Child/OAP £6 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)

:? :? Were does it say all ticket :? :?

i could have sworn it said tickets have now been confirmed

it did, i seen that too

But it's a Friday night, you'll have had a pint, you've not a clue what's going on!!!

[MUZZ]

No typo, its all ticket, from ayr website

Prices have now been confirmed for our 3rd round replay with St. Johnstone on Wednesday the 17th of January (7:45 KO). They are as follows:

Adults £12 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)
Child/OAP £6 (Ground/Enclosure or Main Stand)

:? :? Were does it say all ticket :? :?

i could have sworn it said tickets have now been confirmed

it did, i seen that too

But it's a Friday night, you'll have had a pint, you've not a clue what's going on!!! 4 bottles of bud only, just in case i wet the bed again mate

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Vareille sent off for Ayr today.....does that mean he misses the cup replay

[john1962]

Should do it was listed as violent conduct

[erchie]

dont think he will ! league game and all that ! was not going to go down but had a few nelsons now and scottish cup fever has kicked in ! mon the bloooze ! 8)

[john1962]

Violent conduct misses next game I believe.

[papa dolmio]

dont think he will ! league game and all that ! was not going to go down but had a few nelsons now and scottish cup fever has kicked in ! mon the bloooze ! 8)

a few nelsons erchie boy! thought u were on the wagon? 8)
not going myself, but im sure we can get through this tie

[SaintSam1884]

It was advertised in the PA on Friday as all ticket as well.

Prices £12 and £7, available from McDiarmid Park as of Friday.

:?