View Full Version : Livingston vs. Saints 13/01/07
Radford 72
09-01-2007, 01:57 PM
To move away from the discussions about Coyle and the general performance of the side, we have our first away game in nearly a month on Saturday when we travel to Almondvale for the second time this season. Let's hope they have more than two turnstiles open this time, although I doubt we'll get near matching the 682 we took through in September.
I've not seen the PA today but the The Courier reports that Kevin James will be out again (although should be back for the Airdrie game). Jason Scotland and Martin Hardie didn't train yesterday and if they aren't back by Thursday it's unlikely they'll play, although I guess it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if they make it. I'd like both players to be available for the semi-final though so we shouldn't really be risking them.
Livi actually have the worst home record in the league but I thought they totally deserved their win in November and were by far the better team on the day. If we play like we have been doing away from home though but cut out the defensive errors then there's no reason we can't win though.
Coyle said last week he was hopeful of having a new face in for this game but is now saying his labours are not close to bearing fruit and there are no imminent arrivals.
I guess the formation question comes into play again and the side is far from just picking itself and it's difficult to really know what our best side would be as Goran continues to be wasted if he's played at left-back but then the midfield has no pace without McLaren and part of Livi's poor form at home is down to the fact they've been prone to being hit on the counter-attack.
Thoughts?
Shaggy Jenkins
09-01-2007, 02:45 PM
Coyle said last week he was hopeful of having a new face in for this game but is now saying his labours are not close to bearing fruit and there are no imminent arrivals.
All this transfer work should of been done prior to the window opening one would of thought? Im sure some work has been done but i was expecting a few guys ready and willing to sign in the first week.
Home win for me and a Gretna win. I have a funny feeling that the next 3 games will see us take 1 point and be the final nail in our coffin.
Saintkev
09-01-2007, 03:06 PM
Coyle said last week he was hopeful of having a new face in for this game but is now saying his labours are not close to bearing fruit and there are no imminent arrivals.
All this transfer work should of been done prior to the window opening one would of thought? Im sure some work has been done but i was expecting a few guys ready and willing to sign in the first week.
Home win for me and a Gretna win. I have a funny feeling that the next 3 games will see us take 1 point and be the final nail in our coffin.
Cheer up ya miserable bam!
It's not as easy as having it all done before the window or everyone would do it! And we did have McInnes ready and willing to sign up...
I think we'll go to Livi and win. If we go and don't play well after the kick up the arse that Ayr result should bring, then I'd begin to question Coyle's motivational skills along with teh self-motivational skills of teh players...
'Mon The Saints!
Shaggy Jenkins
09-01-2007, 03:48 PM
Coyle said last week he was hopeful of having a new face in for this game but is now saying his labours are not close to bearing fruit and there are no imminent arrivals.
All this transfer work should of been done prior to the window opening one would of thought? Im sure some work has been done but i was expecting a few guys ready and willing to sign in the first week.
Home win for me and a Gretna win. I have a funny feeling that the next 3 games will see us take 1 point and be the final nail in our coffin.
Cheer up ya miserable bam!
:***: Just killing time before rush hour on the by-pass than I am going to play with the cars :***:
Scobby_SJFC
09-01-2007, 03:49 PM
To move away from the discussions about Coyle and the general performance of the side, we have our first away game in nearly a month on Saturday when we travel to Almondvale for the second time this season. Let's hope they have more than two turnstiles open this time, although I doubt we'll get near matching the 682 we took through in September.
I've not seen the PA today but the The Courier reports that Kevin James will be out again (although should be back for the Airdrie game). Jason Scotland and Martin Hardie didn't train yesterday and if they aren't back by Thursday it's unlikely they'll play, although I guess it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if they make it. I'd like both players to be available for the semi-final though so we shouldn't really be risking them.
Livi actually have the worst home record in the league but I thought they totally deserved their win in November and were by far the better team on the day. If we play like we have been doing away from home though but cut out the defensive errors then there's no reason we can't win though.
Coyle said last week he was hopeful of having a new face in for this game but is now saying his labours are not close to bearing fruit and there are no imminent arrivals.
I guess the formation question comes into play again and the side is far from just picking itself and it's difficult to really know what our best side would be as Goran continues to be wasted if he's played at left-back but then the midfield has no pace without McLaren and part of Livi's poor form at home is down to the fact they've been prone to being hit on the counter-attack.
Thoughts?
Thats surprising did not realise how bad their home form was!!
They remind me of Dundee last year, the way they are struggling after coming down, and yet we still havent posted a win against them this season!
About time we put that right :***:
Nairn Saint
09-01-2007, 07:27 PM
I hope we put out an attack minded side and take the game to them from the kick off. I'd love to start with 3 up front. What have we got to lose?
Scobby_SJFC
09-01-2007, 07:42 PM
I hope we put out an attack minded side and take the game to them from the kick off. I'd love to start with 3 up front. What have we got to lose?
Our dignity :shock:
No seriously, Id love to see an attacking team, but Livy are no mugs and throwing caution to the wind isnt the solution, considering we are still in the hunt, JUST! so we do still have something to lose!
A win is needed but not at the expense of risking it to go all out attacking!
john1962
09-01-2007, 07:48 PM
I hope we put out an attack minded side and take the game to them from the kick off. I'd love to start with 3 up front. What have we got to lose?
And how will we compete in the middle? We have enough problems when we have four or five in there. Are you suggest we bypass it completely?
Radford 72
09-01-2007, 08:49 PM
Agree with Scobby and John. Now is not the time to be experimenting and playing 4-3-3 away from home (however bad Livi's record) is suicide.
The problem in recent away games hasn't been taking the game to teams on creating chances, it's been in defence. If we keep true to the way we played at County and Accies and cut out the mistakes at the back we'll get our reward.
Saintkev
12-01-2007, 10:29 AM
The omens are good... I had a confident feeling versus Scumdee Utd and The Huns, but as the games got closer, I started to wonder... I going through teh very same now!!
SlickDT
12-01-2007, 10:35 AM
The omens are good... I had a confident feeling versus Scumdee Utd and The Huns, but as the games got closer, I started to wonder... I going through the very same now!!
I get that every game! :?
Saintkev
12-01-2007, 10:38 AM
I'm usually one or the other, rarely change in teh build up, but as I say, I am this time!
chopper
12-01-2007, 03:27 PM
Is this game in doubt?
There are pitch inspections scheduled this afternoon for Cowdenbeath and tomorrow morning for Ibrox, Palmerston and the Excelsior.
Radford 72
12-01-2007, 03:28 PM
No preview on the Official Site yet so I wonder if that means a new signing before the tomorrow? :)
saint_markperth
12-01-2007, 03:29 PM
from what i can see there are two inspections tonight in the sfl and the huns in the morning with two other inspections, but this game is not one of them, on another none b'ham game is off, they laid there new pitch on monday and cause its pissed down all week the pitch is not ready
Saintkev
12-01-2007, 03:29 PM
Is this game in doubt?
There are pitch inspections scheduled this afternoon for Cowdenbeath and tomorrow morning for Ibrox, Palmerston and the Excelsior.
No pitches near by for PSJ, so it'll not be in a great state... ?
chopper
12-01-2007, 03:40 PM
No preview on the Official Site yet so I wonder if that means a new signing before the tomorrow? :)
Evening Telegraph reports that it is likely that there will be no new faces before tomorrow :(
Jimmy Wallace
12-01-2007, 03:45 PM
Can't go to the game tomorrow, some inconsiderate bastard has decided to get married and for some reason wants a miserable old **** like me to attend. Give the boys some encouragement from me. Have a good weekend. I wish I was dead. Godbye (sic) :?
Radford 72
12-01-2007, 03:47 PM
No preview on the Official Site yet so I wonder if that means a new signing before the tomorrow? :)
Evening Telegraph reports that it is likely that there will be no new faces before tomorrow :(
Depends how you read it...
"It may be, though, that no new fresh faces will be brought in prior to tomorrowÂ’s match."
Sounds fairly non-commital to me! :wink:
Steve Maskrey
12-01-2007, 03:55 PM
Perhaps Charlie Miller and Robbie Winters may or may not sign in time for tomorrow's game :wink:
saint_markperth
12-01-2007, 04:48 PM
Scotland and Martin Hardie are both suffering from leg injuries and are doubtful for Saturday's game.
Davey
12-01-2007, 06:19 PM
Anybody know the admission prices? adult an juvenile?
LewGti
12-01-2007, 06:53 PM
Does anyone know what the weather in Livi has been like today? Really hope it goes ahead!
Tranmere Saintee
12-01-2007, 06:56 PM
Wet and windy :roll:
Mikeec
12-01-2007, 07:22 PM
No preview on the Official Site yet so I wonder if that means a new signing before the tomorrow? :)
Most likely cos Paul Smith was off today!!
Nairn Saint
13-01-2007, 11:57 AM
Without wanting to keep repeating myself, without wanting to keep repeating myself............ I'd settle for a scrappy 0:1 in our favour today.
pezza70
13-01-2007, 02:44 PM
Cuthbert, Lawrie, Stanic, Mensing, McManus, Ando, Hardie, McInnes, Sheerin, Peaso, Scotland
Doris, Jacko, McLaren, Dyer, Halliwell
Just flashed up 2-0 Gretna on the sky football centre on the net??? canny be 2-0 already
Yup it is: Portaloo and McMenamin
Watty
13-01-2007, 03:08 PM
Partick Thistle, fookin jokers, 2 nil after 2 mins tae Gretna, pish stuff.
Steve Maskrey
13-01-2007, 03:09 PM
Partick 0 - 2 Gretna :shock: :(
Steve Maskrey
13-01-2007, 03:13 PM
BBC report that the weather is awful so a great advert for football appears to be unlikely. Livi tried to get Jamie Mole on loan from Hearts but the deal fell through at the last minute leaving John Robertson jumping up and down and shaking his fist with rage :roll:
Good news, Livi haven't won at home since 9th September :D
Bad news, Saints haven't won away from home since the same date :(
poang
13-01-2007, 03:19 PM
1-0 livi. **** sake
Young's pulled one back for Partick, now 2-1
Steve Maskrey
13-01-2007, 03:30 PM
Saints have equalised :D Don't know who scored
pezza70
13-01-2007, 03:31 PM
MacKay on 12 mins
pezza70
13-01-2007, 03:32 PM
Lawrie
get in there baby
The Real Saints
13-01-2007, 03:32 PM
1-1
Lawrie! :***:
Euanwilkie
13-01-2007, 03:35 PM
apparently we're playing into a gale this half and cuthberts kicks are struggling to make the half way line.
pezza70
13-01-2007, 03:53 PM
half time 1-1
cmon ye saints
perthsaint1884
13-01-2007, 04:07 PM
2-2 wie partick and gretna!!!
perthsaint1884
13-01-2007, 04:12 PM
were losing 2-1 :evil:
Euanwilkie
13-01-2007, 04:14 PM
steven craig scored
Rodgers
13-01-2007, 04:15 PM
CUMMMON SAINTS, GET YOUR FINGER OUT!!!
Shaggy Jenkins
13-01-2007, 04:15 PM
http://www.bobbysimpson.org.uk/pics/pike-frazer.jpg
were Doomed
pavel
13-01-2007, 04:17 PM
2-1 livi
Broon
13-01-2007, 04:20 PM
Come on ref - abandon the game :oops:
Euanwilkie
13-01-2007, 04:41 PM
3-1
Shaggy Jenkins
13-01-2007, 04:42 PM
And its good night from him..........
theweesausage
13-01-2007, 04:42 PM
Only 5 min left of the season :oops: :cry:
perthsaint1884
13-01-2007, 04:42 PM
bollocks, pish, shite, i cud get worse but don't want to be banned.
Season over maybe? I think so!
Shaggy Jenkins
13-01-2007, 04:43 PM
bollocks, pish, shite, i cud get worse but don't want to be banned.
Season over maybe? I think so!
Too right. This has to be sorted soon for next year
Watty
13-01-2007, 04:43 PM
time to concentrate on the cups me thinks ***.
Rodgers
13-01-2007, 04:44 PM
all i can say is.............owel :cry: :cry:
oh and this.....
KEEEEEP BELIEVING, ITS NOT OVER TIL THE FAT LADDIE SINGS, CUMMMON, KEEP FIGHTING :evil:
keep the faith
mabosser
13-01-2007, 04:45 PM
Same old Same old league challenge finished by January. :cry:
Broon
13-01-2007, 04:45 PM
Coyle brought McLaren on for Stanic. £50 to anyone who can put those 11 players into a formation. Season over, same old shite.
all i can say is.............owel :cry: :cry:
oh and this.....
KEEEEEP BELIEVING, ITS NOT OVER TIL THE FAT LADDIE SINGS, CUMMMON, KEEP FIGHTING :evil:
keep the faith
Rodgers - Its over, I'm affraid to say!!
Shaggy Jenkins
13-01-2007, 04:48 PM
all i can say is.............owel :cry: :cry:
oh and this.....
KEEEEEP BELIEVING, ITS NOT OVER TIL THE FAT LADDIE SINGS, CUMMMON, KEEP FIGHTING :evil:
keep the faith
http://www.wakemanfamily.com/Images/FatLadySings.jpg
perthsaint1884
13-01-2007, 04:50 PM
3-2 wooooooooooooooo
Watty
13-01-2007, 04:53 PM
Gretna drop points, we fail to capatilise....same old same old :cry:
perthsaint1884
13-01-2007, 04:53 PM
full time, absolutely SHITE
Rodgers
13-01-2007, 04:55 PM
its not over...anything can happen to football you all know that!!!
keeep believing!
Sad thing is, I got to the stage of where I couldnt care less if we got an equaliser.
Nearly Lost the Faith
its not over...anything can happen to football you all know that!!!
keeep believing!
Its over, just admit it! Even if Gretna do drop points, we can't even win games, to capitalise on it.
Broon
13-01-2007, 04:57 PM
Technically we are only 1 point worse off than at the beginning of today. So, if we manage to get a couple of great signings in and maybe a new manager :wink: then we could still be in with a shout.
** The above post was not a serious call to sack the manger, though if this keeps up I'm sure he won't be comfortable for much longer - we're rotten
Rodgers
13-01-2007, 04:58 PM
its not over...anything can happen to football you all know that!!!
keeep believing!
Its over, just admit it! Even if Gretna do drop points, we can't even win games, to capitalise on it.
hoi shut it you! :wink:
need to think positive!!! you dont want the players to think like that DO YOOU??
keep believing
The Real Saints
13-01-2007, 05:00 PM
its not over...anything can happen to football you all know that!!!
keeep believing!
This 'keep believing' thing is getting on my nerves now. Let's face it. It's over.
When Gretna drop points, we constantly fail to take advantage.
Also, yet again the strikers fail to score and we have to rely on a right wing-back and a left winger to score our goals. This is not on. We need to make new signings immediately, and this includes a striker or two!
My disappointment about Stephen Dobbie leaving has quite quickly turned into anger, and almost as quickly has my hope in Coyle disintegrated.
mabosser
13-01-2007, 05:03 PM
Harsh words there but probably true. Coyle is not showing he knows what has to be done to reverse this decline, worrying times AGAIN!
Rodgers
13-01-2007, 05:06 PM
its getting on my nerves aswel, but i dont like people giving up! Especially when its saints we're on about since many people pay money to watch them, and the players do notice if the fans sing or not!!
id find it funny if we win a lot of games in a row and gretna lost a few and then we're only a few points behind and then everyone will be like, " we're going to win the league"
get behind your team even if we are pish......at the moment :wink:
its getting on my nerves aswel, but i dont like people giving up! Especially when its saints we're on about since many people pay money to watch them, and the players do notice if the fans sing or not!!
id find it funny if we win a lot of games in a row and gretna lost a few and then we're only a few points behind and then everyone will be like, " we're going to win the league"
get behind your team even if we are pish......at the moment :wink:
Aye maybe Celtic will drop a few points, and Aberdeen will win the league aswell :P
Rodgers
13-01-2007, 05:11 PM
its getting on my nerves aswel, but i dont like people giving up! Especially when its saints we're on about since many people pay money to watch them, and the players do notice if the fans sing or not!!
id find it funny if we win a lot of games in a row and gretna lost a few and then we're only a few points behind and then everyone will be like, " we're going to win the league"
get behind your team even if we are pish......at the moment :wink:
Aye maybe Celtic will drop a few points, and Aberdeen will win the league aswell :P
nah celtic are too good atm and aberdeen arent as good.
we can beat gretna
Broon
13-01-2007, 05:15 PM
nah celtic are too good atm and aberdeen arent as good.
we can beat gretna
We cant even beat Ayr or Livi. Come on, Gretna are miles better than us. We need changes - we are not good enough to win the league.
Thomas_sjfc
13-01-2007, 05:15 PM
Time to sort out this shambles and do something constructive about it. (ie not whining in the courier about the fans booing) once again our nearest rivals slip up and we dont take advantage time to get some players in with a bit of fight in them. Time to start building for next year get the young boys playing and get out of contract players to commit to next season now or drop them.
I will be surprised if we even finsih 2nd this season.
Rodgers
13-01-2007, 05:21 PM
am not saying that we dont need changes because we do!! we need better players but i give the team my 110% backing and give coyle 120%!!
we need better players, although a few of them need to start performing as a few of them could be a lot better!
saint in exile
13-01-2007, 05:26 PM
am not saying that we dont need changes because we do!! we need better players but i give the team my 110% backing and give coyle 120%!!
we need better players, although a few of them need to start performing as a few of them could be a lot better!
Hope you`re feeling patient!
Zimmerman
13-01-2007, 05:34 PM
Il account for this game first since I live in Livingston. Forget technically how much gorund we lost, or games in hand, we will not win the league, FACT. Today was the same old problems form previous weeks and im starting to wonder if coyle is watching these games.
To be fair the conditions were awful, and bar a mistake which mcmanus can't really be blamed for we would have had a point. But there are several things that just continue to bewilder me.
1. We are going nowhere with mensing in midfield, I feel sorry for him as it looks like its not his natural position. But he is absoloutely savage there. Hardie and mensing in the same midfield is never going to work.
2. Every single week our midfield is outrun (not even by better players), but by younger players. We desperately need a couple of young players with pace, it is criminal how far behind the pace our midfield is.
Lawrie scored an absoloute peach, and mclaren scored a neat goal, but now is the time for change. I feel that under coyle we went from a poor team to a good team and now we are nothing more than a poor team. I dont want him sacked, I just want to see that he can actually change these problems that occur week in week out.
Mciness today did hustle well, but just seems like another has been friend of the manager signing, which is very annoying. He is cleraly miles of the pace and will struggle this season.
Hopefully mensing will be moved inside and we will get a pacy winger. But that would be too obvouis wouldn't it?
Jason actually tried today, im putting this down to a scount being there or he was just trying to keep warm. Stanic,anderson, sheerin and scotland are the only ones near a decent performance.
Scobby_SJFC
13-01-2007, 05:39 PM
its getting on my nerves aswel, but i dont like people giving up! Especially when its saints we're on about since many people pay money to watch them, and the players do notice if the fans sing or not!!
id find it funny if we win a lot of games in a row and gretna lost a few and then we're only a few points behind and then everyone will be like, " we're going to win the league"
get behind your team even if we are pish......at the moment :wink:
Aye maybe Celtic will drop a few points, and Aberdeen will win the league aswell :P
nah celtic are too good atm and aberdeen arent as good.
we can beat gretna
Can We??
Have we ever beaten Gretna, NO another dark day!
saint in exile
13-01-2007, 05:49 PM
Heard this kind of pish for too many years now my brain starting to hurt
Shaggy Jenkins
13-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Heard this kind of pish for too many years now my brain starting to hurt
Yeah can we just restore the forum back to this time 2 years ago or even 3 or 4 or 5 and save us posting the same shite over again.
Will save us alot of time and effort
We were beaten by a hungrier team today, again- pissing about then getting caught on the ball as usual.
Stephen Craig- one of the worst strikers playing in Scotland again scores against us which is a disgrace considering it was an absolute gift of a goal again with McManus falling on his arse then missing him when he tried to pull him down.
Mensing was murder- has been so for a few months now, McInnes looks like Davie Hannah in a disguise because he is not the player I hoped he was.
Up front we did nothing, but somehow scored 2 goals, which was nice.
Radford 72
13-01-2007, 06:10 PM
Il account for this game first since I live in Livingston. Forget technically how much gorund we lost, or games in hand, we will not win the league, FACT. Today was the same old problems form previous weeks and im starting to wonder if coyle is watching these games.
To be fair the conditions were awful, and bar a mistake which mcmanus can't really be blamed for we would have had a point. But there are several things that just continue to bewilder me.
1. We are going nowhere with mensing in midfield, I feel sorry for him as it looks like its not his natural position. But he is absoloutely savage there. Hardie and mensing in the same midfield is never going to work.
2. Every single week our midfield is outrun (not even by better players), but by younger players. We desperately need a couple of young players with pace, it is criminal how far behind the pace our midfield is.
Lawrie scored an absoloute peach, and mclaren scored a neat goal, but now is the time for change. I feel that under coyle we went from a poor team to a good team and now we are nothing more than a poor team. I dont want him sacked, I just want to see that he can actually change these problems that occur week in week out.
Mciness today did hustle well, but just seems like another has been friend of the manager signing, which is very annoying. He is cleraly miles of the pace and will struggle this season.
Hopefully mensing will be moved inside and we will get a pacy winger. But that would be too obvouis wouldn't it?
Jason actually tried today, im putting this down to a scount being there or he was just trying to keep warm. Stanic,anderson, sheerin and scotland are the only ones near a decent performance.
Can't argue with much of that but until we stop gifting teams goals, we won't achieve anything.
Again today after getting applauded off the park at half-time we shoot ourselves in the foot in the early stages of the second half but not concentrating and conceding a terrible goal.
It's easy to blame the referee and the conditions but we have to rise above things like that. Chelsea and Man United get bad refs and bad conditions but still grind out wins.
Thought after a worrying first 20 minutes McInnes came onto a game and showed he might do a decent job for us but he's surrounded by one-dimensional midfielders. After a promising start in that position, Mensing looks lost as a midfielder now and again Sheerin didn't turn up.
Jason is at least getting back to his best but I suspect he'll be away soon.
Coyle can't keep putting out the same side every week, it's not working.
HertsSaintee
13-01-2007, 06:15 PM
Definitely the end of our league title chances now. It probably was before, but blind optimism and all that... OK, Gretna didn't win today, but their winning mentality will see them bounce back and they'll take the title at a canter.
OK, where do we start explaining away today? Dead easy really - it was the same old story. No pace in midfield, second to the ball, general lack of urgency, not closing attacking players down (this one was a joke today...), defending too deep and individual errors losing us sloppy goals. Livi were no great shakes, but they beat us by attacking with pace and quick passing. Their third goal showed up our lack of mobility so badly. Everyone up the park we are unable to find a way through, they get possession. Three quick passes later the ball is in our net.
Bottom line is that we have a "nearly" mindset, the same as Gretna have a winning mindset. Someone "nearly" manages to make a good forward pass, a striker "nearly" gets on the end of a cross. It's been a feature of this team for the last two seasons, and things are NOT getting better. The manager with all these "contacts" he's meant to have, has had weeks to identify the players we desperately needed to sort it out, and bring them in at the start of the transfer window. Instead we've got McInnes - about 5 yards and 10 years off the pace. Never mind, eh Coyle, let's just lurch on with the same players we have playing the same old game plan.
This defeat had been coming. It was pure good fortune we took the games against Clyde and County. We hit the low point against Ayr, and today just showed us all how poor we actually are, a shadow of the side we saw earlier in the season. You have to say that we have never really got going again since Ibrox. We have to see now that it's clear that the manager doesn't really have a scooby about how to change this around.
Personally, it doesn't matter to me who Coyle brings in now - the league is lost. If I was the Chairman, I'd let him play the Cup Semi - we might get Hibs on a bad night, you never know. After that, if we go out, he needs to be getting in somebody to instill a winning mentality to build for next season. It's clear now that Coyle isn't that man.
Herts
templeofsaints
13-01-2007, 06:33 PM
Absolutely dire again - Temple reports up now but it's been the same old story with the midfield showing a complete lack of mobility to either support the front men or to win and pass the ball.
McInnes is a waste of space - either not fit or not bothered. Either way his attitude during the game is a disgrace, especially compared with a grafter like Sheridan. Sheerin has faded badly and again Hardie looks like just another journeyman. Mensing too has faded and seems to be permanently out of position.
Defensively we were again poor - I'm sorry but McManus doesn't have the skill with his feet to try and clear danger - hence he's easily panicked under pressure and gives the ball away. How many times today was he forced to backtrack or pass back to the keeper because he can't control the ball.
I'm not sure why Goran went off but OC got it wrong in not replacing him with Dyer - the shape of the team was lost and it cost us a 3rd goal. If he was so keen to give Wullie a run out (and he took his goal well) he should have hooked McInnes - God knows he was doing sod all in midfield.
The league is out of our grasp now and I really fear for us in the cup given the lack of hunger and fight we're showing. Owen has to get some new faces in asap - the lack of activity int he transfer window and failure to strengthen obvious positions has arguably cost us this season (how long have we been waiting on a right-sided midfielder?) and if we don't freshen things up with some skill, talent and hunger then it's going to cost us the cup runs.
mainstand
13-01-2007, 06:35 PM
Personally, it doesn't matter to me who Coyle brings in now - the league is lost. If I was the Chairman, I'd let him play the Cup Semi - we might get Hibs on a bad night, you never know. After that, if we go out, he needs to be getting in somebody to instill a winning mentality to build for next season. It's clear now that Coyle isn't that man.
Where do you stop?
We got rid of Connelly because we were going nowhere. Coyle came in and we are still sitting in second place in the league and have a slim chance of catching Gretna, and you come on asking for COyle to be sacked, and i doing so asking for the Club to pay out more money in compensation (he has a couple of years left).
It's clear in Your eyes obviously just thank god your not the chairman,
SaintSam1884
13-01-2007, 06:37 PM
I thought we played as well as we have done since Ibrox.
I also thought the game was great entertainment, and on any other day we'd have run out winners, easily. Funny how one week the luck can really go your way, but then on another week it can just all go against you.
I thought Martin Hardie was sensational, Paul Sheerin played some good through balls and Simon Mensing played superbly from box to box. I thought the defence coped as well as could be expected in the conditions too although the second goal was of blunder proportions.
The only let down for me was Derek McInnes who looked distinctly like he couldn't be bothered and Peter MacDonalds tendancy to play for the foul f'cks me off big time. He can be a real hindrance when he's at it.
SaintSam1884
13-01-2007, 06:42 PM
Funny how differently people see things, eh?
I thought Mensing was great! Our most prominent player, in the thick of everything. If it hadn't been for Martin Hardies performance, he'd have earned my MoM.
Weird!
Saint Hayley
13-01-2007, 06:43 PM
Lawrie's goal OMG what a strike! thts all i can say at the moment :***:
mainstand
13-01-2007, 06:48 PM
I'm not sure why Goran went off but OC got it wrong in not replacing him with Dyer - the shape of the team was lost and it cost us a 3rd goal. If he was so keen to give Wullie a run out (and he took his goal well) he should have hooked McInnes - God knows he was doing sod all in midfield.
Goran spent a fair amount of time in the first half stretching his Thigh muscle and looked like he had got a knock, I suspect that is why he got taken off,
Can the manager ever win if he had put Dyer on he would have been shouted at for not having more of a go and trying some different.
As for Mc Innes I thought he put in some good balls and did what was expected of him.
SaintSam1884
13-01-2007, 06:49 PM
I'm not sure why Goran went off but OC got it wrong in not replacing him with Dyer - the shape of the team was lost and it cost us a 3rd goal. If he was so keen to give Wullie a run out (and he took his goal well) he should have hooked McInnes - God knows he was doing sod all in midfield.
Goran spent a fair amount of time in the first half stretching his Thigh muscle and looked like he had got a knock, I suspect that is why he got taken off,
Can the manager ever win if he had put Dyer on he would have been shouted at for not having more of a go and trying some different.
He was injured in a challenge, he played on for a while afterwards but there was no real need to risk him. I think he could have used Dyer, and McLaren for the ineffective McInnes.
Mensing was in the thick of everything- he was ever present whenever someone was running rings around him, was taking the pall off him and when the ball was going right over his head in either direction when he wasn't paying attention.
Stanic was injured after a particularly hefty 'challenge' from one of the Livi players in the first half, appeared to be holdine either the inside of his knee of thigh and limped heavily for a couple of minutes after running it off.
Anyone else cop Livis wee shirt-lifting left back gesticulating to the Saints fans when they went 3-1 up? Hardie was 'ragin' and went right for him before the kick off, shame that he didn't chin the wee shirtlifter.
The ref, and linesman didn't appear to notice either their left backs 'salute' to the Saints fans or the fact that Hardie was looking to deck him.
Good officiating today, consistent and solid performance from all concerned.
blueheaven
13-01-2007, 07:01 PM
Can the manager ever win if he had put Dyer on he would have been shouted at for not having more of a go and trying some different.
Presumably the manager "wins" when his team score more goals than their opponents - when that doesn't happen, his decisions - quite fairly, surely - are open to criticism.
HertsSaintee
13-01-2007, 07:10 PM
Where do you stop?
We got rid of Connelly because we were going nowhere. Coyle came in and we are still sitting in second place in the league and have a slim chance of catching Gretna, and you come on asking for COyle to be sacked, and i doing so asking for the Club to pay out more money in compensation (he has a couple of years left).
It's clear in Your eyes obviously just thank god your not the chairman,
Great reply... Nothing would make me happier, but if you're being really, REALLY honest with yourself, we have a snowball in hell's chance of catching Gretna. Nothing personal, but you can obviously accept mediocrity Mainstand - Coyle is NOT improving St Johnstone FC and he has shown no sign that that will change anytime soon - so we're left "going nowhere" again. A moaner I may be and I watch the same Saints as you, but it's looking like I'm not alone with my viewpoint with every passing game (pun not intended...).
Herts
Broggy Man
13-01-2007, 07:12 PM
I thought we played as well as we have done since Ibrox.
I also thought the game was great entertainment, and on any other day we'd have run out winners, easily. Funny how one week the luck can really go your way, but then on another week it can just all go against you.
I thought Martin Hardie was sensational, Paul Sheerin played some good through balls and Simon Mensing played superbly from box to box. I thought the defence coped as well as could be expected in the conditions too although the second goal was of blunder proportions.
The only let down for me was Derek McInnes who looked distinctly like he couldn't be bothered and Peter MacDonalds tendancy to play for the foul f'cks me off big time. He can be a real hindrance when he's at it.
Are you drunk :shock:
SaintSam1884
13-01-2007, 07:20 PM
I thought we played as well as we have done since Ibrox.
I also thought the game was great entertainment, and on any other day we'd have run out winners, easily. Funny how one week the luck can really go your way, but then on another week it can just all go against you.
I thought Martin Hardie was sensational, Paul Sheerin played some good through balls and Simon Mensing played superbly from box to box. I thought the defence coped as well as could be expected in the conditions too although the second goal was of blunder proportions.
The only let down for me was Derek McInnes who looked distinctly like he couldn't be bothered and Peter MacDonalds tendancy to play for the foul f'cks me off big time. He can be a real hindrance when he's at it.
Are you drunk :shock:
No.
I'm just slightly less depressed than you lot, which I think is a good thing! :***:
Radford 72
13-01-2007, 07:20 PM
Great reply... Nothing would make me happier, but if you're being really, REALLY honest with yourself, we have a snowball in hell's chance of catching Gretna. Nothing personal, but you can obviously accept mediocrity Mainstand - Coyle is NOT improving St Johnstone FC and he has shown no sign that that will change anytime soon - so we're left "going nowhere" again. A moaner I may be and I watch the same Saints as you, but it's looking like I'm not alone with my viewpoint with every passing game (pun not intended...).
I appreciate the way you've back up all your points Herts and I don't imagine it's easy for any fan to call for a manager's head, especially when you are probably the first to come out publicly on here and do so but are we ever going to get a manager who will get us up in two seasons?
Is it maybe not time we let a manager make a few mistakes along the way but try and learn from them.
Things were going ok until November so it's not really fair to say Coyle hasn't tried to rectify things as this is his first opportunity.
He's built a side now but it's not quite right. Is it not unfair to have expected him to get it spot on at the first attempt. If he now goes out and improves the midfield and maybe tweaks a few other things we would probably have a decent side.
Broggy Man
13-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Well lets be boring the weather played a huge part in the game today. however both teams attemted to play football and yes I actually thought we were the better team.
The problem with Saints is the same old thing Midfield. Mensing is a stopper nothing more he is not a wide player doesnt have the engine or the touch. Hardie I dont understand why he is defended time after time. the guy is mince he is a poor mans michael moore runs around puts in some brutal challanges but cant run more than five miles an hour and has the touch of a freaked elephant. livi are sh**e fact we if we want to win the league be blowing teams like that away. McInness will come good because he can and wants to play football but how can the guy do that when those around him are one paced bruisers.
The problem is we dont have any choice this is what OC has brought us so this is what he has to pick from. Ive been to pretty much every game this season and I have yet to see Martin Hardie have what could be described as a great game he has been ok on occasions but so much of our play goes through him you would think he was the playmaker jesus ive got a better touch than him.
Again dissapointed more so with OC lack of immprovement or vision why cant we get some energy into midfield the average age in there must be over thirty this season
Scobby_SJFC
13-01-2007, 07:26 PM
Before I start i'll say I do not see the team as much as you guys so tell me if you feel differently!
Every time I have saw the Saints this season, We seem to play this rubbish long ball football, which involves James/Mcmanus/Anderson punting the ball for Savo/Peaso/Scotland having to head or chase after lost causes!
We do not play football as such only for breif spells where we do look good, and are we still aiming every corner and frre kick on James head??
Am undecided on Coyle as a manager, I feel dissapointed at the signings with his contacts, and the way in which we play!
On the whole though, are we doing any worse than previous mamgers Connelly and Stark??
Shaggy Jenkins
13-01-2007, 07:34 PM
Before I start i'll say I do not see the team as much as you guys so tell me if you feel differently!
Every time I have saw the Saints this season, We seem to play this rubbish long ball football, which involves James/Mcmanus/Anderson punting the ball for Savo/Peaso/Scotland having to head or chase after lost causes!
We do not play football as such only for breif spells where we do look good, and are we still aiming every corner and frre kick on James head??
Am undecided on Coyle as a manager, I feel dissapointed at the signings with his contacts, and the way in which we play!
On the whole though, are we doing any worse than previous mamgers Connelly and Stark??
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pavel
13-01-2007, 07:36 PM
We jumped the gun by giving Coyle a new contract.
Unless some good players are brought in (and not his shity old mates) then i have lost all faith.
HertsSaintee
13-01-2007, 07:37 PM
On the whole though, are we doing any worse than previous mamgers Connelly and Stark??
League position is everything. So, we are definitely doing better than Connelly, but no better than Stark. Were folk happy with him? No, I don't think so...
Herts
Cagey
13-01-2007, 07:56 PM
How long can this go on.Coyle has made a right hash of things. We have a crap,slow midfield & what does he do ,bring in a player that is even slower & more crap than we have.
Mensing & Hardie are never midfielders & after a good coulple of months Sheerin has reverted to his previous 2 seasons form.
I am the only one that thinks Coyle is making noises about lokking to bring in players in the window but has nothing in the pipeline as he has given all his mates their final payday. Where has his much vaunted contacts got us.
I think it is criminal that he has let Dobbie,Sheridan & Stevenson go without having anything lined up. He could also have recalled Moon but no, we are sleepwalking to disaster.
12 points of the top but only 13 off play off place.
The fat lady has sung.
Saintkev
13-01-2007, 08:49 PM
I'm not going to be total doom and gloom... yet... but there wasn't enough players up for it and that's shocking considering all the definace after the Ayr game... wash!
Bout time the players gave up their wages for a week to pay our buses to a game... work-shy fops!
Saintkev
13-01-2007, 08:51 PM
Oh and not blaming him, but that linesman was draedful... and laughed about it, it's no wonder folk run on a pitch and attack folk... who was he? And before you start Chopper, he was a total prick, laughing at winding folk up is bang out of order... wank!
dunblanemike
13-01-2007, 08:57 PM
I'm frankly gobsmacked at the some of the moaning on here based on that game today. The only winner was the weather, absolutely atrocious and no-one can play properly in that and because of it the result was a lottery. And as for calling them work-shy, absurd! was this comment from someone who fannyed about with the ball when we wanted it back in play quickly - the ballboys were getting slated for less!! :***:
And if there was only 1900 in that stadium then I'm leo sayer - a definite case of tax dodging I think.... err allegedly.
Saintkev
13-01-2007, 09:02 PM
I'm maybe slightly harsh with that comment (work-shy fops), but I do believe there were some who never gave 100% there today... not going for tackles when the ball is at the feet of the opposition, not closing down players, not chasing the chances etc etc... there was a lot of flattering to decieve... they were more up for it than us... again.
SaintSam1884
13-01-2007, 09:10 PM
I'm frankly gobsmacked at the some of the moaning on here based on that game today. The only winner was the weather, absolutely atrocious and no-one can play properly in that and because of it the result was a lottery. And as for calling them work-shy, absurd! was this comment from someone who fannyed about with the ball when we wanted it back in play quickly - the ballboys were getting slated for less!! :***:
And if there was only 1900 in that stadium then I'm leo sayer - a definite case of tax dodging I think.... err allegedly.
I agree with you.
Really hit the nail on the head with the result being a lottery comment. I enjoyed myself, I thought it was really entertaining.
Hazel1884
13-01-2007, 09:14 PM
The weather was ATROCIOUS today but considering that i thought we played some nice football in the first half and considering the fouls and efforts of Wanker number 3 for Livingston.
Livingston must have only scored with their 3 attacks of the game and we failed to capitalise - however, overall changes do need to be made Mr Coyle, not just based on todays performance.
When i was taking the 3-2-1 votes on the bus i couldn't believe the attitude of some folk - "Think i am voting for that pish" "They were shite" or the alternative "How would i know we stayed in the pub!" We were not THAT bad and played better than we have since before xmas IMO.
Livingston were lucky IMO but we are seriously struggling in the final 3rd and it's well documented that we are. I can't stand Jason Scotland's lazyness, even though i am convinced there was a scout there the day watching him and i am sick of Peaso's attitude also - he waits fort he ball to come to him, constantly watches his man then when the ball comes and his defender goes for it he falls over and expects the foul. everytime he plays that scenario happens. Now is the time to be starting Jackson if it means a few more of his colleagues who have "made it" "too good for SJFC" or "Coyle's favourites" to get their arses in gear. But this is more of a gripe in everyweek Saints - nott odays match.
If we play like that next week we should pump EIO Airdareee!
SaintSam1884
13-01-2007, 10:32 PM
Oh, Hazel, we agree about so much.
Peter MacDonalds constant trying to win the foul infuriates me. He's a poorer player for it. It's blatant cheating coupled with the fact that he doesn't make it very convincing. I couldn't wait to get shot of him today, and I think that's a shame because he has the potential to be a big player for us.
I mean, it really annoys me. Nine times out of ten, it's actually him fouling the defender. Muppet.
saint in exile
13-01-2007, 11:47 PM
Paradoxically if Peaso was injured just now he would be our saviour-in-waiting....
Nairn Saint
13-01-2007, 11:52 PM
Paradoxically if Peaso was injured just now he would be our saviour-in-waiting....
.......and I thought wheelbarrow was a big word!
Corned Beef
13-01-2007, 11:56 PM
Just as well Gretna could only draw today. Catching them still looks a tall order given our recent form, we desperatley need something different in the team but i cant see where its coming from.
dave mc
14-01-2007, 03:11 AM
Just as well Gretna could only draw today. Catching them still looks a tall order given our recent form, we desperatley need something different in the team but i cant see where its coming from.
Really doesn't matter about Gr£tna's result today CB,because the league was lost long ago,down at Gr£tna was the final nail in a forlorn season,when we gave them such an easy 3 points,almost our whole team lacks fight,character,pride,guidance-call it what you will,but it's been there for all to see,almost all season.Wish i could bring old threads back,'cause i said after the Forfar friendly,we wouldn't get out muscled in mid-field, but we would get out paced!Canny beleive two qualified coaches couldn't see that problem!! .So many less skillful teams are giving us problems because we have no engine room!
we were poor yesterday. fair do's we had a lot of the ball but we just dont have a clue what to do with it. ok we scored 2 goals but we didnt really have many chances overall. their first goal was a cracker and thats what we shouldve been trying second half, pinging in shots from distance because the conditions were there to take advantage of. coyle is gradually beginning to annoy me because although we have decent players, he doesnt seem to have the ability to get the best out of them and playing to thier full potential. livi were pish too, but the fact is that in 3 games we have yet to beat them
gc7969
14-01-2007, 07:18 PM
You build a team by bringing in players who are approaching their peak not those who are past their peak. Coyle with all his alleged contacts has only brought in players who are journeymen or worse. There has been no signing which looks forward to address the glaring inadequacies of the team.
Each week, the same culprits appear in the shirt, the same injured players play. What is the squad for? Why do the likes of Dyer, Jackson, Moon, Doris, McCallum NEVER appear at the start of a game (loanees I know).
Coyle needs to show he is a manager and not a friend of the players. The attitude and commitment for the rest of the season must improve or else the crowds will lead us part time football.
SaintSam1884
14-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Coyle signed Willie McLaren, a young, pacey winger with a good goal record at a decent club. This player was booed against Clyde by Saints fans. You could also argue that Jason Scotland and Steven Milne are players approaching their prime, not to mention Simon Mensing who is still very young as well. :roll:
For Willie Dyer to start a match, Stanic would need to be sacrificed. Moon and McCallum are on loan, which you acknowledge. The only thing I'm inclined to agree on is Jackson, but then he's rated and will get his chance. Right now, I don't think he's screaming "give me the place over the other strikers". I think he's useful coming off of the bench though.
SaintSam1884
15-01-2007, 12:07 AM
Players that played vs Livingston:
Cuthbert - 24
Lawrie - 28
McManus - 32
Anderson - 21
Stanic - 34
Sheerin - 32
Hardie - 30
Mensing - 24
McInnes - 35
Scotland - 27
MacDonald - 26
Willie McLaren - 22
Andy Jackson - 19
Steven Doris - 18
Average age = 26 and a half.
Hazel1884
15-01-2007, 09:17 AM
Average age = 26 and a half.
Put it this way - when the pretty much guaranteed starters like Sheerin, Hardie, James, McManus, Stanic and McInnes playing your average age of the squad is going to be fairly high!!
SaintSam1884
15-01-2007, 09:38 AM
Average age = 26 and a half.
Put it this way - when the pretty much guaranteed starters like Sheerin, Hardie, James, McManus, Stanic and McInnes playing your average age of the squad is going to be fairly high!!
That isn't high though?
I'd say that was a really good balance that Coyle has got. The only problem with our team is we lack a really creative, pacey midfielder. But just how in demand must players like that be?
saint_markperth
15-01-2007, 09:52 AM
Owen Coyle new year letter to geoff
Please Mr Brown can i have
1 Goalkeeper who saves everyting and catches everything
1 Midfielder who is creative
&
1 Striker who works his ass of and scored goals
we dont have to money or the attraction to bring a player listed about to us, The only person i can say we got when we should never of got is Matt Glenon but it worked out for him and he is now playing at a higher level
Maybe if we hadn't paid Derek McInnes 3 times what the rest of the squad is on we might have been able to afford these players.
Hazel1884
15-01-2007, 10:13 AM
Average age = 26 and a half.
Put it this way - when the pretty much guaranteed starters like Sheerin, Hardie, James, McManus, Stanic and McInnes playing your average age of the squad is going to be fairly high!!
That isn't high though?
Depends who else is playing in the team - Halliwell, Milne, Lawrie will keep that age difference up also!
I think we are missing that enthusiasm about the players - the want to play.
Hazel1884
15-01-2007, 10:15 AM
Depends who else is playing in the team - Halliwell, Milne, Lawrie will keep that age difference up also!
Ignore Milne, i didn't realise he was only 26 - i thought he was pushing 30! :shock: :oops:
chopper
15-01-2007, 11:59 AM
Well thoughts from Saturday:
1) Not a bad performance to be honest - Livi's first goal was a peach of a strike (if we are being critical, he shouldn't have been allowed to cut inside, but generally players at right back don't have great left foots at this level!). The second goal was an unfortunate slip by McManus and the ball fell straight to Craig, who wasn't missing it and the 3rd was an excellent goal on the counter attack after god knows how long camped in the Livi box.
2) McInnes certainly adds an extra bit of guile and solidity to the midfield, although his head is moving a lot quicker than his body will let him on occasioms!!!
3) There was a distinct lack of width to the team, until McLaren and Doris came on for Hardie and Stanic. If we are playing 4-4-2 then we need players to hold wide positions. The midfield consisting of Sheerin, Mensing, Hardie and McInnes will work in a 3-5-2 but not in a 4-4-2 unfortunately.
4) The one bad point on the performance was our persistance in playing a ball over the top of the defence into the channel (as is normal with our play) but not taking the conditions into account with the ball skidding on the wet turf and away from the runner rather than playing the ball on the ground and into feet of the strikers or on the ground for strikers to run on to.
5) The support at the game reminded me why I don't miss the Saints away games as much as I thought I would - moaning about everything and anything that went wrong, especially when the conditions were clearly hampering the players!
Cagey
15-01-2007, 07:15 PM
Players that played vs Livingston:
Cuthbert - 24
Lawrie - 28
McManus - 32
Anderson - 21
Stanic - 34
Sheerin - 32
Hardie - 30
Mensing - 24
McInnes - 35
Scotland - 27
MacDonald - 26
Willie McLaren - 22
Andy Jackson - 19
Steven Doris - 18
Average age = 26 and a half.
Forget about the 3 young subs & it is 28 & a half. Replace Cuthbert & Ando with Halliwell & James (Coyles preference early season)& I can`t be arsed calculating but it must be over 30
Tranmere Saintee
15-01-2007, 07:20 PM
Chopper - I must have finally lost my marbles, I actually agree with you and your assessment of the game :?
chips for tea
15-01-2007, 07:28 PM
wasnt at the game,so my only input is both teams had to play i they conditions
SaintSam1884
15-01-2007, 08:46 PM
Average age = 26 and a half.
Put it this way - when the pretty much guaranteed starters like Sheerin, Hardie, James, McManus, Stanic and McInnes playing your average age of the squad is going to be fairly high!!
That isn't high though?
Depends who else is playing in the team - Halliwell, Milne, Lawrie will keep that age difference up also!
I think we are missing that enthusiasm about the players - the want to play.
Halliwell and Milne are both 26, Lawrie is only 28 and I initially counted him anyway. Prime ages for footballers.
Fact of the matter is, people (myself included in the past) grossly over exaggerate the average age of our squad by sheer neglect to actually check their facts.
If there's one thing that Coyle really cannot be criticised for, it's signing an old team. It's blatantly untrue. I'm not arguing with adding a bit of youth, but kids don't win things. One or two is fine, and I think Jackson will get more opportunities whilst Savo is sidelined.
I'm not arguing with adding a bit of youth, but kids don't win things.
alan hansen once said that about man utd sam 8)
gc7969
15-01-2007, 09:09 PM
My argument is that for too long we have brought in players who have allegedy shown some form for other teams but have never been rated as players capable of progressing to higher levels. We have added experience like Sheridan who for all his assets was still going downhill in terms of pace.
To build a team which can challenge in a very poor quality football environment, I would have been looking for younger players in their late teens, early 20's who had the potential to develop into the higher level player. I know they are not easy to find but given Coyle's supposed contacts I would have thought that there would have been some playing for teams other than Airdrie whom we may have managed to get. Saints had a good relationship with Newcastle and while I do not like loan players, some of their youngsters we saw at McD looked like they could have done a good job for us and themselves ala Stokes at Falkirk.
I accept that a team of teenagers will not win but a team of journeymen without any pace or guile, any ability to change the game plan will not win either. A spine of experienced players and mobile, pacey skilful players, playing off them would give us an option to get to the next level.
You mention that Jackson will get his chance - When? Savo, Jason have been injured for months, their play has been restricted so why have not Peaso and Jacko got a game? It does not send out a message that the manager thinks they can do a job. Lack of match fitness due no reserve football does not help any of the players coming of the bench and they will need a run. The title is gone - let's sort out the problems in the team now. Play the fringe players see if they can make the grade and improve the team.
chips for tea
15-01-2007, 09:11 PM
My argument is that for too long we have brought in players who have allegedy shown some form for other teams but have never been rated as players capable of progressing to higher levels. We have added experience like Sheridan who for all his assets was still going downhill in terms of pace.
To build a team which can challenge in a very poor quality football environment, I would have been looking for younger players in their late teens, early 20's who had the potential to develop into the higher level player. I know they are not easy to find but given Coyle's supposed contacts I would have thought that there would have been some playing for teams other than Airdrie whom we may have managed to get. Saints had a good relationship with Newcastle and while I do not like loan players, some of their youngsters we saw at McD looked like they could have done a good job for us and themselves ala Stokes at Falkirk.
I accept that a team of teenagers will not win but a team of journeymen without any pace or guile, any ability to change the game plan will not win either. A spine of experienced players and mobile, pacey skilful players, playing off them would give us an option to get to the next level.
You mention that Jackson will get his chance - When? Savo, Jason have been injured for months, their play has been restricted so why have not Peaso and Jacko got a game? It does not send out a message that the manager thinks they can do a job. Lack of match fitness due no reserve football does not help any of the players coming of the bench and they will need a run. The title is gone - let's sort out the problems in the team now. Play the fringe players see if they can make the grade and improve the team.
Very well said
HertsSaintee
15-01-2007, 09:53 PM
That idea is brilliant. It'll be even better if we get in a manager who's actually capable of putting all that in place.
Herts
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