Dundee vs. Saints 10/02/07

[Radford 72]

I know it's only Monday but how big is this game? So much emphasis has been placed on the three last week that this was kind of overlooked but it's arguably the biggest of the lot with the meaning it has to the fans.

Dundee really fancy their chances, indeed this (http://www.thedees.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17490&whichpage=3) thread on their forum shows they believe they can still win the league. At the very least, they think they have the title in the bag next year so Saturday is the perfect time to give them a dose of reality on their own patch.

There is nothing to be scared of for Saints after the last three performances. Dundee will point to their great home record but the stats mask the truth. They beat the bottom side Queens but also lost to them in the Scottish Cup after failing to beat them at Dens. They beat Livi which is fair enough but the other recent wins have been against a Thistle side which was suffering from the flu that caused their game against us to be postponed, and Ross County and Airdrie. By the start of November, they'd only won one match at home. They may have won five of their last six but those five wins were against the the poorer sides in the league.

If Mensing, Hardie and McInnes impose themselves in the same manner as they did against Hibs and Falkirk then we will win the midfield battle.

We've taken about 1,500 fans through there in the three visits since they were relegated but surely there should be hundreds more travel on Saturday?

We have to win this game to keep up the momentum after beating Gretna.

[Broggy Man]

Thank god a home match for me. Ive spent a fortune following the mighty ones recently the bank manager will be relieved at the restbite. So now pies at dense for me :roll: . As for the game it will be as hard as Gretne the tinks are on the up but they seem to stutter so this weekend would be good for that. Away win for the Saints here 3-1 assuming no further injusy worries and OC having a full squad or at least being able to add Lilley should be to powerful for Dundee.

[chopper]

Early train for this one as normal!

Huge match, especially as Gretna should beat Airdrie quite comfortably, although 2 defeats in a row for them against Hibs and us and the fact Airdrie have already beaten them at Raydale means it is not a certainty. We need to stay on their tails as we can't really afford to lose any more ground on them.

Also a huge match as, should Dundee win, they will be just 1 point behind us - and for a mediocre side like them to maybe finish above us just doesn't bear thinking about (although credit is due - grudgingly - to Alex Rae for the job he has done).

Come on you Blooooooooooozzzzzzzze!!!

[Broggy Man]

Early train for this one as normal!

Huge match, especially as Gretna should beat Airdrie quite comfortably, although 2 defeats in a row for them against Hibs and us and the fact Airdrie have already beaten them at Raydale means it is not a certainty. We need to stay on their tails as we can't really afford to lose any more ground on them.

Also a huge match as, should Dundee win, they will be just 1 point behind us - and for a mediocre side like them to maybe finish above us just doesn't bear thinking about (although credit is due - grudgingly - to Alex Rae for the job he has done).

Come on you Blooooooooooozzzzzzzze!!!where are you drinking before the game Chopper.

[chopper]

where are you drinking before the game Chopper.

Coming up from the station, we normally start at the Trades for a couple of cheekies before grabbing some food somewhere, normally the Phoenix (chilli chips!!!) or Pizza Hut etc. Generally stay in town for the most part before getting the bus or taxi up to the ground, then back into town for a few beers and the tea time game in Allstars or somewhere like that.

[Radford 72]

Also a huge match as, should Dundee win, they will be just 1 point behind us.
We would have a game in hand though. I think another reason this is key is that beating them would put them, potentially, 10 points behind us and with Hamilton visiting Perth the following week, two victories would pretty much secure second place.

[Watty]

Also a huge match as, should Dundee win, they will be just 1 point behind us.
We would have a game in hand though. I think another reason this is key is that beating them would put them, potentially, 10 points behind us and with Hamilton visiting Perth the following week, two victories would pretty much secure second place.

Who fookin cares about 2nd place, come on!!!

[saint_markperth]

As i have already stated elsewhere, Every league game from now until the end of the season is a cup final, We need to put everything into it, If we do not lose from now until the end of the season we can say we gave our all,

[Saint Paul]

Really looking forward to this one. I am going through with the business club, and will be having a few pints prior to the game, so by kick-off will be well up for it.

If we play like we have done the last 3 games, this game should be no problem for us, but we need to keep the players focused and not going out riding on the last 3 performances. They still have to put in the work.

[Slowhand]

Aye, we've got 39 points tae play for and we need all of them. Just keep on winning, that will do! Dinnae care if it is pretty or no, a win's a win.

[Hazel1884]

Would there be enough of a demand for the business club to run a bus to every game, Paul? They only run one to Dundee is that right?

Looking forward to the game, especially McInnes/Hardie vs Rae if he plays.

Wouldn't change anything about the side at the moment, would probably hope to see McLaren brought on early second half to hit them with his pace, however he always plays better when he's started the game as it takes him a while to settle in when he does come on.

Would you reintroduce McManus for Anderson after his suspensions? IMO Anderson done his job, and deserves to keep his place but would imagine Coyle will throw McManus back in!

Lets keep the atmosphere going for 90 minuites too - it always starts so well and goes fairly quiet!

Big up the Saintees masssiiiiiive! :wink:

P.S Prediction comp on amount of Saints fans to get punted out by over zealous stewarding? :roll: Or amount of lassies who have come along for something to do and get chucked out for having a bottle of vodka in the handbag?! :shock: :roll:

[Steve Maskrey]

Would there be enough of a demand for the business club to run a bus to every game, Paul? They only run one to Dundee is that right?

Not sure if there would be. The trip to Dundee is a one-off and the package involves lunch at McD and a buffet afterwards, as well as entry to Dens. They did run a bus to the Hibs game though

[Hazel1884]

Not sure if there would be. The trip to Dundee is a one-off and the package involves lunch at McD and a buffet afterwards, as well as entry to Dens. They did run a bus to the Hibs game though

Not really a thread to discuss this obviously - but i think with our past few results, and if we maintain the performances we have done in the enxt few games fans are going to be looking for ways to get to the games.....

[SaintSam1884]

Dundee... Win the league? That's hilarious.

And downright impossible. Stupid Dundonians!

[Ronaldo]

This should be another great game. They have been in a bit of form and if you take out their cup game away against QOS where they drew 3-3, they have hardly let goals in. They're transfer window signings were -
Kevin Smith from Sunderland;
Bob Davidson from Rangers;
Paul McHale from Clyde.

That seems to have made them a much better team, however I believe we have too much fire power and experience and should get that win. 8)

[Radford 72]

They're transfer window signings were -
Kevin Smith from Sunderland;
Bob Davidson from Rangers;
Paul McHale from Clyde.
They brought in another few players on top of that...

In
Kevin Smith (Sunderland - Loan)
Gary Smith (Cowdenbeath)
Paul McHale (Clyde)
Bob Davidson (Rangers)
Jay Shields (Hibernian - Loan Extension)
Khalid Hamdaoui (Free Transfer)
Chris Higgins (Montrose)

Out
Greg Strong (Free Transfer)
John Boggan (Free Transfer)
Brian McGinity (St Mirren - Loan Return)
Andy McLaren (Free Transfer)
Mark Allison (Forfar Athletic)
Callum MacDonald (Peterhead)
Graham Hay (Free Transfer)
Bobby Mann (Peterhead)

[Ronaldo]

I noticed Danny Griffin came on late too last week.

[lethamsaintee]

I think it is fair to suggest that this game is another win or bust scenario. We simply cannot afford any further slip ups.

Dundee will of course fancy their chances of closing the gap on ourselves to a point so it will be a dangerous enough game from that aspect. We need to start with a similar tempo as we always seem to at Dens but must make that good by commanding a better cushion than we have done in the past.

A decent Saints following should be there and i reckon they will be rewarded, once again, with a good showing and three vital points. Nothing else will do.

[taylorboy69]

Yeah, definately a must win for the Saints.

Nothing but 3 points is going to be good enough. Will be a very tough game and i just hope we adopt the game with the correct attitude and the player's dont start reading their own headlines like after Rangers game.

[Saintly Child]

Again this is a game that could finish the season off or get the heart racing for a fight to the finish.
The team needs to be in the same frame of mind as the 3 previous games.
Just hope tiredness isn't an issue.
Play Anderson in defence and we should be ok.
Also play with wingers either McLaren or Portugese dude ( quote from the east stand).

Keep the Faith WE CAN DO - THE DOUBLE :P :P :P :P

[Nairn Saint]

I noticed Danny Griffin came on late too last week.

He's hardly played at all recently.

[livi saint]

A wee round off

Ben Steven's Is A Saintee Hates The F*ckin Dundee NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa

would go down a treat on saturday me thinks :mrgreen: :***:

[Saint Paul]

Not sure if there would be. The trip to Dundee is a one-off and the package involves lunch at McD and a buffet afterwards, as well as entry to Dens. They did run a bus to the Hibs game though

Not really a thread to discuss this obviously - but i think with our past few results, and if we maintain the performances we have done in the enxt few games fans are going to be looking for ways to get to the games.....

To be fair, Hazel, most of the people that go to the games with the business club are guys who would normally go anyway.

[Hazel1884]

To be fair, Hazel, most of the people that go to the games with the business club are guys who would normally go anyway.

not doubting that at all, Paul. More point i was making was the ones who would only maybe go as they enjoy going with the guys from the business club that they may be more likely to go if they were offering a bus most weeks??

Anything to get more fans to games! :)

[Radford 72]

A wee round off

Ben Steven's Is A Saintee Hates The F*ckin Dundee NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa

would go down a treat on saturday me thinks :mrgreen: :***:
A lightbulb just flashed in my head and I got that!

Superb! :***:

[Ronaldo]

It would be more than brilliant to win this because they're building the game up themselves without our help from what I've been reading from Alex Rae and their web site. They seem to be up for it.

RIGHT! :twisted:

[Saintkev]

A wee round off

Ben Steven's Is A Saintee Hates The F*ckin Dundee NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa

would go down a treat on saturday me thinks :mrgreen: :***:
A lightbulb just flashed in my head and I got that!

Superb! :***: :?:

[erchie]

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?

[Steve Maskrey]

Ben Stevens is the guy from Dundee's sponsors Signatures 4U who's done a runner and is wanted by the fraud squad
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/02/07/newsstory9272626t0.asp

[Ronaldo]

Dundee have only concede two goals in six league games -
Dundee 3-1 Partick 26-12-2006
Gretna 1-0 Dundee 30-12-2006
Dundee 2-0 Livingston 02-01-2007
Dundee 1-0 Queen of Sth 20-01-2007
Ross County 0-0 Dundee 27-01-2007
Airdrie Utd 0-3 Dundee 03-02-2007

We can do it!

[Ronaldo]

Let's Get Intae Them! :twisted:

HAVE A GO SAINTS!

[Ronaldo]

The team selection on Saturday will be interesting with most of the squad now available with the exception of long term injuries. Will McLaren, Lilley or Morais get starting roles? They'll certainly be in the squad. I hope that the midfield take a grip in the way they have in the last three games especially, much of this to do with what seems to be the final cog in the wheel of a very strong midfield now since McInnes arrived. Total bombardment again please.

[MUZZ]

whats the weather forecast for the next 2 days. hope the game will go ahead

[Radford 72]

How big is this game tomorrow... and there's only 32 posts on it. Dundee really fancy their chances so hopefully every Saints fan will make the effort to get along to Dens Park. It's obviously been an expensive month but it's only 20 miles up the road.

[Kevin]

whats the weather forecast for the next 2 days. hope the game will go ahead

Sleet with a strong east wind!! Temp (with windchill) -2c

[Saintkev]

How big is this game tomorrow... and there's only 32 posts on it. Dundee really fancy their chances so hopefully every Saints fan will make the effort to get along to Dens Park. It's obviously been an expensive month but it's only 20 miles up the road.

I think there's a wee lull while folk catch their breath after a hectic week... I'm sure there'll be a good posse of Saintees for what is our biggest game at Dens for years!

[Broon]

I will be getting a lift up to Perth on Saturday as my fiancee is meeting one of her mates. What is the best way to get to Dundee without a car?

[Tarvie]

I will be getting a lift up to Perth on Saturday as my fiancee is meeting one of her mates. What is the best way to get to Dundee without a car?

Easy, the train, one every hour on the 40 mins I think (takes about 15 mins to get there)

[Saintkev]

I will be getting a lift up to Perth on Saturday as my fiancee is meeting one of her mates. What is the best way to get to Dundee without a car?

Yup train... always packed with Saintees...

[Broon]

Excellent. Is the ground far from the train station?

[Tarvie]

Excellent. Is the ground far from the train station?

A cheap taxi ride away, jump in with a few other Saintee's and share the cost :wink:

Wouldnt really want to walk it although I have in the past, too many soap dodgers, us clean people stick out like sore thumbs :***:

[Hazel1884]

You are in Dundee for nolater than 5 past the hour - decent pub crawl to the games is there not!

The Tradesman (i think that's what it's called?) is good!


If not, there's always the Cleppy Bar!! :shock: :***:

[Saintkev]

Excellent. Is the ground far from the train station?

What time are you in Perth for?

I'm going through by train, so would be able to show you the sights and route if needed...

[Broon]

Excellent. Is the ground far from the train station?

What time are you in Perth for?

I'm going through by train, so would be able to show you the sights and route if needed...

Had a similar offer from Chopper. Not sure what time I will be there yet, need to check what time the other half intends to meet her mate. Probably around 12 though. Cheers for the offer!

[Ronaldo]

- decent pub crawl to the games is there not!

Yeah definitely and so many different routes.
After the train station people should just go west first to the Perth road area and then later through the town centre and aim for the Hilltoon, it's easy.
My favourites are the Tay Bridge Bar, Mennies (may have changed name), The Pheonix, TThe Trades, he Vault, Deacon Brodie's, Sinatras, The Bothy (The Bread), The Ladywell, The Three Barrels (god food) and then you have only the football to watch. There are other routes just as good.

[TheBigCheese]

A friend has rather kindly organised her wedding for this Sunday in Cupar so I'll be up the road for this one as long as I can get the missus out of bed early enough tomorrow morning.

Huge game for Saints in terms of the league (they all are now) and nothing else but a win will do. We should have humped them last time we were there and I see no reason we can't destroy them tomorrow. And I'll tell you what, I will love it when we show Alex Rae just how much progress his shower of soapdodgers have made.

'mon the Saints!

[Watty]

The Tradesman (i think that's what it's called?) is good!



Tee hee....naw thats the entrance the sausage smugglers use tae get intae Dens.

[marc05-sjfc]

I will be getting a lift up to Perth on Saturday as my fiancee is meeting one of her mates. What is the best way to get to Dundee without a car?

Yup train... always packed with Saintees...

What time is everyone getting the train at?

[anglesdavidson]

9.39

Counting House for breakfast and scoop
gttg

[Saintkev]

I'll probably be getting one a bit later, couple of things to do first... probably first after 11.

[marc05-sjfc]

I'll probably be getting one a bit later, couple of things to do first... probably first after 11.

11.40 is the one im getting on.

[chopper]

10.39 for me - into the Trademan's Bar for a scoop and the tail end of Soccer Am/start of Soccer Saturday then on for some chilli chips at the Phoenix or a pizza/pasta effort at The Hut!!!

Come on you super whites!!!

[Ronaldo]

I'll go with this as a guess and same as last week -


--------------Cuthbert--------------

Lawrie-Anderson---James----Stanic

Mensing---Hardie---McInnes-Sheerin

--------Scotland--McDonald -------

With McLaren, Lilley and Morais all on at some stage.

GIVE IT YER BEST!

and c'mon Airdrie!

[anglesdavidson]

pizza/pasta effort at The Hut!!!



Always dangerous when on the scoop!

Mon the Saints

[saint in exile]

C`Mon the Saints! Christ i miss games like this

[Nairn Saint]

Danny Griffen has been more out than in at Dundee recently. I would think he would be up for a game today against his beloved Saints. He has had the odd OG in big games in the past...........

[Saintkev]

'Mon The Saints...

The fans can play our part... get intae the unwashed bassas...

[Hazel1884]

Im heading to the pub in 10 mins!

Bring on the Dundee!

Moan the saints!!

[Saintkev]

Moan the saints!!

You're just encouraging that Postie fudd!

[SJFC1988]

Whats todays line - up :roll: ?

[Nairn Saint]

Whats todays line - up :roll: ?

Check out Sky Sports.

Ando is on the bench. Fairly predictable side for the game. Danny on the bench for Dundee, Ludo Roy in their goal.

Saints to win convincingly.

[SJFC1988]

good site cheers :D

[Nairn Saint]

A couple of yellow cards. Hopefully showing some commitment?

[SJFC1988]

aye, james & mensing

[Nairn Saint]

I hope Lilley gets on against Gary Smith, he's gash!

H-T 0:0

[Nairn Saint]

Sherrin missed a penalty!

[Johnstoun]

Sherrin missed a penalty!

Coyle out!

:wink:

[Moray Blue]

Sherrin missed a penalty!

when?

[Moray Blue]

yessssssssssssssssss

scotland. 1-0

[superimp69]

1-0 Jason Scotland

[SJFC1988]

ya fekn beauty

[carhartt-saintee]

yessssssssssssssssss

scotland. 1-0

just in from looking at bloody wedding rings- :evil: - perfect timing!! :D :D

[Grovesred]

just in from looking at bloody wedding rings

Take my advice - make do with just looking.

[the saints fan]

1-0 with gretna drawin gap could b narrowed 2 7 pts with a game in hand

[soccerchic]

1-1 Dundee just scored a penalty

[superimp69]

1-1 Lyle penalty

[Moray Blue]

bugger. still plenty time to win

[the saints fan]

nooooooooooooooooo 1-1 dundee pen who conceded it?

[Johnstoun]

Lilley on for Peaso

[Rossi the Sailor]

think andy lawrie give away pen cos he got booked same mins tht dundee score!!!

[the saints fan]

if it was lawrie hes likely to be subbed
never liked lawrie

[Johnstoun]

Hardie was booked immediately before the pen.
Lawrie was booked for dissent afterwards.

[Johnstoun]

McLaren on for Sheerin

[soccerchic]

2-1 dundee :cry:

[Grovesred]

bugger

[Moray Blue]

ffs - thats all we need

[soccerchic]

Gretna still 0-0

[Moray Blue]

Lawrie sent off - FT 2-1.

Typical, on a day that Gretna look like they're slipping up we shoot ourselfs in the foot yet again.

[Nairn Saint]

Beaten 2:1. Lawrie sent off.

[Grovesred]

double bugger

[erchie]

ffs ! gutted ! :cry:

[superimp69]

Gretna finished 0-0

[Nairn Saint]

Gr£tna finished 0:0. Missed a big chance to get 2 points back on them. Very dissapointing, but it's still alive!

[HertsSaintee]

Had to miss this one today due to a family committment. Be interesting to read the report but a defeat, 4 yellows, a red and a penalty conceded sounds like we lost the plot...

Herts

[The Real Saints]

Actually Hardie who was sent off. :(

[Indicator]

Becoming a bit of a habit this 'Lyle' penalty thing. :x

[SJFC1988]

hes shyt he seems to score all his goals from the penalty spot

[Broggy Man]

Terrible game terrible weather terrible referee terrible Saints performance disjointed couldnt string two passes together Martin Hardie was sent off agh will post later to pi**ed off really and am still freezing

[Joey]

Just in from the game and am still furious with the performance. Once again at Dens Park we score first and then let them back into game by way of us forgetting that there was another 40mins left to play.

In my opinion Dundee were all over us, and fully deserved to win, although in truth it may be a case of Saints fully allowing Dundee to win. Dundee played as we have done in the last few games, first to every ball, determined in the tackle able to control the ball when it mattered and more importantly able to pass the ball to a team mate. We were truly shocking at times, Dundee bossed the game with only rare moments from Saints. Don't want to be to critical of the players who have performed so well recently but today we were not at the races. It appears that the management were not as well.

You don't need to be genius to see that our tatics and(or) starting line up was not the best for todays game and needed a change. Did OC reply in time, no he did not. We were crying out for width and pace as our ageing midfield was chasing shawdows at some points, Mensing was booked although he merited perhaps a red; getting hemmed in against thier left back and Swankie - only going to a matter of time before he sees red you thought. Get him off, safety first, play the right winger. No Sheerin hooked on comes McClaren. I am not saying that one decision lost us the game, we did that rather well on our own. But when times are good, let the team play as OC has done recently, but when it is obvious to everyone that we need a change make it and not with only 10 mins left to play.

We had a great chance of closing the gap today and once again we blew it. We didn't deserve to win today a draw would have been a fair reflection as we did have the better of the 1st half chances. However it was as we know Dundee who appeared to want it more; a sad reflection on the players we revered as heros over the last few weeks to have their run ended without so much as real fight.

[taylorboy69]

Thought that the midfield was back to its usual self today.

Last few weeks the midfield has ran the game and bossed the other teams but today there would be no pass marks for any of the midfield.

Throw in a lot of individual errors and the writing was on the wall when Sheerin missed the penalty - struck it well enough but perfect height for a keeper.

Too eager to play the long ball today, ok it worked for the goal - excellent finish fae Jazzy but all in all - i do not think we can have too many complaints. Dundee deserved and to me looked very dangerous going forward (due to our inability to contain Swankie).

Its not over but surely we need maximum points from here on in.

[SaintSam1884]

The signs were all there from very early on, Dundee were killing us for pace and the defence wasn't coping. I would have looked to introduce Anderson, or move Mensing back to right-back and drop Lawrie who had a difficult time of it, although did no worse than his fellow full-back in Stanic. Just something to settle the defence in light of Dundees pace would have sufficed. Nothing changed throughout the entire 90 minutes.

In midfield, we went for Radfords robust option with Sheerin McInnes Hardie and Mensing. They started out alright, creating some decent chances but when Dundee hit us back and equalised, there was no plan B and Coyle should have looked to change things. Could be argued that he should have looked to introduce the pace of Morais and McLaren earlier than he did in order to kill off Dundee and increase our lead. But sadly, as we see time and time again, substitues weren't made until it was too late.

We were lucky to keep the score down towards the end, the players were all out of sorts. Bad day for us, could have capatilised on Gretna dropping points. The gap is now ten points, with a game in hand although it's away and today we continued our dreadful away form that sees us without a victory on the road since something like September. Disappointing, but no doubt we'll have to put up with complete over-reactions on this forum, completely disregarding the performances against Gretna, Hibs and Falkirk in the past fortnight.

I might head out instead. :roll:

[mainstand]

They started out alright, creating some decent chances but when Dundee hit us back and equalised, there was no plan B and Coyle should have looked to change things. Could be argued that he should have looked to introduce the pace of Morais and McLaren earlier than he did in order to kill off Dundee and increase our lead. But sadly, as we see time and time again, substitues weren't made until it was too late.


Pland B didn't involve going 3 up front after they scored their second then?.

Sam this hindsight of yours is a wonderful thing.

[Nick]

Dundee fully deserved their win IMO

Our players should feel disgraced and embarresed with that peformance! As most folk have said, Dundee wanted to win more than we did, the were first to EVERY first ball and EVERY second ball, the closed us down immediatly when we were in possesion, and limited us to hoofing it up the park. What do we do?? Give Swankie all the space in the world, andnot close him down, which gives him the oppetunity to run at the defence!

Coyle showed once again he's useless at substitutions. He left hem to late, after they equalised, when it was obvios it was coming, and took Sheerin offf before Mesing who was pish, and was gonna get sent off.

McInnes was worse than what he was in his first game here, looked miles off the pace, and seems to get caught to offencive, allowing buckets of space for the Dundee players to run at our defence.

Christ the bad points are endless.

Performances like that dont deserve to gain promotion.

I am starting to doubt Coyle's motivation tactics. The reason we played well in the the last three, as it was obvious these were the buggest three games. But this game should have been loked upon as just as big, by the players and staff - obviously wasn't though.

[Broggy Man]

Ok thawed out a bit. It was a strange game and I dont agree with the view that Dundee bossed the game They did not we had a number of chances again but did not finish Peaso in particulr choosing to shoot when the square ball was obvious to the 1500 or so Saints fans who braved the weather. In the second half Dundee came more into the game and I will agree the back four were out of sorts. I see we already have a hang the cat thread. Jesus the guy had two great saves in the first half although he was at fault for Dundees second. The penalty well ive seen them given and ive seen the attacker booked but at that stage of the game it was no more than Dundee deserved. We did not however deserve to lose the game.

The referee. It astonishes me these guys in the middle. Three times in the first half there number ten followed through on tackles then Captain Kev goes in late and gets booked. Im not sayin the booking was wrong but a bit of consistancy really is called for.

[Steve Zissou]

We thoroughly deserved to lose today. Much like the game at Dens earlier this season, Dundee looked far hungrier. There was too much humphing long balls up the park, and no attempt to string a few passes together - we need far more than that to win this league.

[SaintSam1884]

They started out alright, creating some decent chances but when Dundee hit us back and equalised, there was no plan B and Coyle should have looked to change things. Could be argued that he should have looked to introduce the pace of Morais and McLaren earlier than he did in order to kill off Dundee and increase our lead. But sadly, as we see time and time again, substitues weren't made until it was too late.


Pland B didn't involve going 3 up front after they scored their second then?.

Sam this hindsight of yours is a wonderful thing.

The plan B - McLaren/Morais or both should have been enforced long before we had to resort to that sort of stupidity. What sort of advantage does sticking Kevin James upfront give us when the game is already long gone?

Do Saints, and everything involved with Saints, ever make mistakes in your eyes, Mainstand? :roll:

[saint5588]

Did anyone else see Swankie leave the field after the penalty come back on and change his boots without the referee knowing. I thought you werent allowed to go off the pitch without the referees permission or come back on especially after changing your boots as they are suppose to be checked. Same bad refereeing, lack of pace in the midfield and the stupid long ball lost saints the match today, should have played the passing game which has worked well the last few weeks.

[Zimmerman]

The plan B - McLaren/Morais or both should have been enforced long before we had to resort to that sort of stupidity. What sort of advantage does sticking Kevin James upfront give us when the game is already long gone?

Exactly. No matter wether we are winning or not coyle is a good manager, but his tactical awareness/balls to make changes is not so good.

Mensing at right mid for me, has and always will be a shocker. That is all I can add from the rest of the posts. Apart from the second goal was a give away and should have been hoofed!

Very disappointed. Still, we can bounce back.

[templeofsaints]

We were just pish overall - midfield put in the sort of lethargic performance we half-expected last weekend. God knows what training they've done this week to look so slow. Wouldn't be too bad if the odd pass came off but too often our players were left standing as the Scum broke.

We defended far too deeply meaning Peaso had to drop back and then he struggled to get forward. McManus looked dodgy in defence (why won't OC show loyalty to guys like Ando who played well last week) and Stanic was far too slow - if he was a doubt he should have been rested.

I'm not blaming Cuthbert for either goal but the whole team was poor - we lacked pace, mobility and discipline. How many stupid bookings are the so-called "experienced" heads going to pick up - McInnes is already suspended for the Well game and he got a stupid yellow for dissent today.

Hardie was an idiot - to make a challenge like that when there's little time left and you're on a booking is just stupid. At least it means Morais or McLaren might get a start next week and give us some pace.

[Victor]

Im just surprised people are surprised.

All season we have been crying out for wide players, especially on the right. OC brings them in then sits them on the bench. He is basically playing the same players, apart from McInnes, the same formation, the same tactics and same substitution policy that he has all season. Did anyone really expect a different Saints to turn up today just beacuse they did well in a couple of cup games???

The small number of good cup results have distracted many from the blatantly obvious...OC stuborness not to change shows his managerial inexperience/niavity and as a team we just arent good enough to win a mediocre league.

If Main really is rejoining us in the summer, what does that tell us? Will he be up for regular SPL football next season at the age of 40 or does OC know that we arent going up this season and is planning for another promotion attempt already???

[Victor]

coyle is a good manager, but his tactical awareness/balls to make changes is not so good.
How can you class him as a good manager if he lacks those 2 key managerial skills?

Id class him at the moment as a potentially good manager who will hopefully learn from his mistakes, but as yet he doesnt appear to be.

[Broon]

Game of two halfs today. In the first we were ok, creating good chances throughout. The second half was a shocker.

Coyle has to take the blame as he could have prevented Dundee getting a goal back. When Dundee got the upper hand, it was clear Mensing was struggling (to be polite) yet he left his subs far too late - then he made the wrong switches. Mensing should have been off for Morais (5 mins before the pen) and Sheerin should have been off for McLaren. Peaso was playing well and should not have been subbed.

[Zimmerman]

How can you class him as a good manager if he lacks those 2 key managerial skills?



Becuase for me has built a team that minus a few players is not that far off an spl side and puts lots of effort into his job. The tactical side, will long term decide how far he will go with saints. For me we have the players to go up, he just needs to show some tactical awareness, which he will hopefully develop over time. Hopefully a short time!

Therefore I personally think he is a good manager, but lacks some tactical awarness. Im just as fustrated believe me, I drove a round trip of over 160 miles today, but we have to remember this is his first job! Hopefully it will come together soon!

[mainstand]

Do Saints, and everything involved with Saints, ever make mistakes in your eyes, Mainstand? :roll:

God you have a short memory you are telling me off ona different thread for saying Cuthbert was at fault for teh goal.

It's called having an opinion Sam :***:

[Radford 72]

Let ourselves down today but what more should we expect from Saints!

I thought we tried to play it right today with the balls over the top as the pitch wasn't suited to trying to knock it about. I thought we were well in control in the first period, clear cut PK brilliantly save by Roy, who also made a couple more excellent stops.

Thought Dundee were the better side in the second half though and in Swankie have a player who we can't seem to cope with. Three times against us this season he's been outstanding.

In those conditions when a referee is throwing cards around like confetti, there was always going to be a sending off. Looked the boy Shields made a lot of the incident but difficult to tell fully from our end.

[Radford 72]

Do Saints, and everything involved with Saints, ever make mistakes in your eyes, Mainstand? :roll:
God you have a short memory you are telling me off ona different thread for saying Cuthbert was at fault for the goal.

It's called having an opinion Sam :***:
At least you aren't getting blamed for picking the midfield! According to Sam's first post it was my robust midfield that was poor today!

Now I concede I suggested we now have options in midfield but I don't remember saying I had a preferred option!

[StDuncM]

So we had an off day and got beaten in the derby by our rivals from up the road. Deservedly in the opinion of most of the above posters.

However we played Gretna, Hibs and Falkirk off the park and, I thought the latter game was going to be a game too far.

It happened today and we are further behind BUT WE WILL COME BACK!!!

Come on ye Saints.

[McCallum]

Thought Dundee were the better side in the second half though and in Swankie have a player who we can't seem to cope with. Three times against us this season he's been outstanding.

Absolutely. He looks dangerous every time he gets the ball and really exposes Lawrie's lack of pace. A player of his ability simply should not be allowed to get a cross or shot in, and the defence should be trying everything to prevent it. Obviously, today that cost us bigtime.

Not really any complaints with the result. Dundee wanted it more, passed the ball much better and overall they deserved their victory. My feet are still numb.

[Cagey]

Thought we played OK in the first half & should have had the game wraped up. Second half we were poor especially after we scored & seemed to sit back & think the game was won.
Thought Lawrie did well against Swankie in the first half but was overrun in the second half but did not get any help from Minceing who had a poor game. How he gets in the side I don`t know as he doesn`t look interested & after his booking he was non existant.
How Coyle couldn`t see this & sub him. Even when he did get round to making a sub it was in the 75min & it was Sheerin he took of ,who wasn`t the worst player. Also when he did decide to bring in McLaren on he left him standing in the cold for a while even when the ball was out of play at least once.
I am sure that Mainstand will blame Cuthbert for the second goal & he may not be wrong but it was in that area that most keepers would struggle with & almost touched it on to the bar.

Admit the midfield was gash today but all the loose balls seemed to land at Dundee feet.
The only luck we had today was Gretna drawing but we have still passed up the chance of catching up another 2 points on them.

[Radford 72]

Anyone else feeling totally gutted after yesterday? Probably the worst I've felt after a Saints defeat for a long time, simply because we proved against Gretna, Hibs and Falkirk how good a side we can be. If we'd given a performance even to 50% of that standard we would have won yesterday but all over the park we were poor, with the exception maybe of Jason and Peaso who did ok considering the midfield they had behind them.

Obviously we have to excuse the odd poor performance but it's frustrating that they all have a bad day at the same time. Where was the McInnes who bossed the midfield in the last three games or the Mensing who looked like he'd screwed the nut. I don't think Sheerin was as bad as has been made out but the conditions slowed him down even more.

Stanic just didn't get into the game and McManus was back to his form from around Xmas time.

What went wrong though? In the previous three games we've had to impose ourselves before we could start playing but we almost tried to do that too much yesterday. Dundee are nowhere near the side Gretna, Hibs or Falkirk are so we should have been making them try to stop us, not the other way round.

We simply need to bounce back with a win against a good Hamilton side, that we haven't beaten this season, next week. If we finish behind Dundee this season (which I don't think we will) then next season looks bleak already.

[SaintSam1884]

Do Saints, and everything involved with Saints, ever make mistakes in your eyes, Mainstand? :roll:
God you have a short memory you are telling me off ona different thread for saying Cuthbert was at fault for the goal.

It's called having an opinion Sam :***:
At least you aren't getting blamed for picking the midfield! According to Sam's first post it was my robust midfield that was poor today!

Now I concede I suggested we now have options in midfield but I don't remember saying I had a preferred option!

It's the name you gave to the midfield we played yesterday. I meant nothing more nor nothing less by it. Quite typical of you to take it the wrong way, however. Well done!

[Radford 72]

It's the name you gave to the midfield we played yesterday. I meant nothing more nor nothing less by it. Quite typical of you to take it the wrong way, however. Well done!
Newsflash: The word robust wasn't created by me! :***:

In any case the wording can mean nothing else but it was my midfield. If your use of English was poor then fair enough. Try to make more sense in future and less confusion will be caused.

[MUZZ]

not actually that pissed off about the game. we were pretty poor but there is only so long you can keep punching above your weight like we have the last few weeks. still, we shouldve managed to hold onto our lead

[Ray Blair]

Dundee fully deserved their win IMO




I am starting to doubt Coyle's motivation tactics. The reason we played well in the the last three, as it was obvious these were the buggest three games. But this game should have been loked upon as just as big, by the players and staff - obviously wasn't though.

How can you blame the manager?The individual players should be motivated enough by the thought of the golden pot in the SPL?

These guys are paid good money to eat,sleep and think football and I dont honestly believe they should need any motivation ,on the back of three excellent performances ,to go and do their job properly.

The games are starting to run out but we are still in with a shout.

[Hazel1884]

We were going to come down to earth with a bump sometime soon and today was the day.

We have set such a high standard in the past few weeks our expectations have risen to another level. Putting it into perspective it's one bad performance, one bad result and another week we failed to capitalise on Gretna's result! But we'll pick ourselves up again - it's going to be a tough time for the rest of this month and next month with our schedule but we're going to have to get through it and use our resources - which means Coyle may be forced to drop his 'lads'.

First half we should have had it - if Peaso had cut that ball back, if Sheerin's penalty had went in, if Scotland had put away another chance he had, if hardie's overhead kick had went in...all if's - we just failed to put the ball in the net. However, second half we were a shambles and looked happy to attempt and defend for 45 minutes against a youthful, pacey Dundee side who weren't afraid to have a dig.

As for the ref - conned by a few Dundee men today. Bunch of aids ridden illegitimate bunch of Scum.

[Ronaldo]

I thought Dundee were looking good coming into this game but I seriously didn't expect to lose.
Saints will just have to forget about it and peak for this Saturday's game in a way they didn't yesterday. To be fair on OC most people would have played the same team as had been successful in the 'Week That Was' and so the team lineup looked fine with Anderson dropping out for McManus. Maybe against Dundee the next time at McD we should play a different style with a winger since we needed an outball a bit more. I don't think they are a better team than Saints I just think they did their homework. They are however going to finish in the top three - Gretna wobbling, Dundee rocking, what will Saints do? Gretna have to go to Dundee soon.

[chopper]

Game was poor between 2 sides who didn't want to win it. Both penalties were stonewaller's and their keeper made a cracking save from a well struck Peanut effort. Route 1 for the goal was a surprise but well taken and then we gifted Dundee too much space and time on the ball. For me the turnig point was when Dundee puled Swankie to wide left and let him go at Lawrie, who couldn't handle him (which was a surprise) then the 2nd goal was a disaster - Stanic with the disastrous choice of trying to play football and Kev slightly slipping meaning he couldn't get the hand on the ball to put it over the bar.

Shocking display and yet another chance to get closer to Gretna gone. Ideas better be bucked up for Hamilton.

[wee john]

Aslong as we have Peaso, Lawrie and Cuthbert as 1st team regulars we will be going nowhere.
Peaso is simply not good enough (great game at Falkirk, but once in a blue moon is not good enough), Lawrie is just a crap full back, opposing wingers just love him. The cat is a decent keeper but decent is not good enough, he costs us too many goals in a season which affects confidence in the defence.

Not everyone will agree and others may add a player or two to it but these 3 IMHO are our biggest problem.

The facts are there for all to see and there can be little arguement IMHO.

[Broon]

Aslong as we have Peaso, Lawrie and Cuthbert as 1st team regulars we will be going nowhere.
Peaso is simply not good enough (great game at Falkirk, but once in a blue moon is not good enough), Lawrie is just a crap full back, opposing wingers just love him. The cat is a decent keeper but decent is not good enough, he costs us too many goals in a season which affects confidence in the defence.

Not everyone will agree and others may add a player or two to it but these 3 IMHO are our biggest problem.

The facts are there for all to see and there can be little arguement IMHO.

Peaso was the second best Saints player on the park yesterday. Cuthbert had no chance with either goal in a day with terrible GK conditions. Lawrie had no protection form Mensing, who was simply on another planet on Saturday.

I know we are all entitled to our opinion but Peaso for me is one of the most important players at our club and one of the few who is good enough to play in the SPL. What happened to our attack when he went off?

[Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III]

Peaso the second best player on the park??? Jeezus H Christ Broon what game were you watching??? :shock: he had an absolute stinker, no pace, first touch was awful and pretty much failed to complete a single pass to any team-mate!!

And as for Cuthbert being unable to do anything with either goal, care to elaborate how a keeper can be chipped from 20 yards when he appears to be only 3-4 yards off his line??? :shock: it was made even easier by the fact the ball was getting held up in the wind, gave him plenty of time to step back and tip the ball over the bar which is what he tried imho but somehow managed to tip it onto the underside of the bar! shocking shocking goalkeeping!!

Not very often i agree with Wee John on here but i think he has got it absolutely spot-on, Andy Lawrie is simply not good enough!!

[wee john]

Even if Kev wasn't at fault on Saturday, he is still not good enough. Hate saying it but it is true.
Even if you can excuse Lawrie on Saturday, what about all the other times.
Peaso, last post was spot on.

[Broon]

Peaso the second best player on the park??? Jeezus H Christ Broon what game were you watching??? :shock: he had an absolute stinker, no pace, first touch was awful and pretty much failed to complete a single pass to any team-mate!!

And as for Cuthbert being unable to do anything with either goal, care to elaborate how a keeper can be chipped from 20 yards when he appears to be only 3-4 yards off his line??? :shock: it was made even easier by the fact the ball was getting held up in the wind, gave him plenty of time to step back and tip the ball over the bar which is what he tried imho but somehow managed to tip it onto the underside of the bar! shocking shocking goalkeeping!!

Not very often i agree with Wee John on here but i think he has got it absolutely spot-on, Andy Lawrie is simply not good enough!!

Peaso won numerous headers against those two big centre backs and linked well with Scotland on several occasions. He provided an outlet for the midfield which disappeared when he went off. You can't just judge a player on how many shots he had or how many passes he made. Players do lots of work off the ball that is just as important (did he not flick on for the goal?).

As for the goal - come on. He was covering his front post, positioned for the cross. It wasn't a chip (they go up and down), it was a curling, looping shot. The wind gave it a bit of swerve. The fact he got near it was an achievement, it was right under the bar. If he was nowhere near it, folk wouldn't have even questioned his goalkeeping - it would just have been a wonderful shot. The fact he got a hand to it gives people an excuse to say he should have done better. Damned if he does, damned in he doesn't.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Cat yes, Peaso is ok Lawrie is fine given that Mensing leaves him so exposed, Hibs first goal case in point

Mensing for me is fast becoming one of the worst players ever in my eyes (**overstatement alert**),still, just what does he do apart from loose the pall and kick people and get into silly fights. At his quickest he is a Month behind play. Yet he must have naked pics of OC and the chairmans wife or something to still get a game.

Scotland for all his good points I am convinced is made of rubber he is the striker that stays up most of the time yet cannot hold tha ball up or in some cases get there ahead of his man to take the weight off the team.

I could go on but I really cant be bothered, this inconsistancy is getting on my wick. Not to mention the slowest most negative midfield in chrisendome, on Saturday.

Then there is this time wasting crap that is creeping into our play, one nil up and we start eating time up NEGATIVE PISH AND NOT THE ST JOHNSTONE WAY

[Radford 72]

I don't agree at all about Peaso. Like Broon, I thought he was one of the few decent performers on Saturday.

I know I can reel out stats that can mask things but Peaso is averaging a goal every two games this season, and that despite having to come off the bench a lot.

He links up with Scotland far better than Savo does and that's not a criticism of Savo as he brings his own positives to the side.

I think Lawrie will be out of the side next week as he'd be up against Gilhaney.

[Cagey]

Mensing is our biggest problem . He is no good going forward,can`t cross a ball & gave Lawrie no protection. Both the goals came from their right , mainly because mensing looks like he is in a daze the whole game. If he & Lawrie were doning their job properly we would not have lost the 2 goals.
Cuthbert was not blameless but I have never read anything in the papers that have said the goal was anything other than a great goal which the goalie did well to get a hand to.

Where are we going to get this worl class goalie that some of you are on about. Cuthbert has been cast aside for about 6 goalies over thepast 4/5 years & NONE of them have been better. Lets just accept that we have no devine right to have a world class goalie & get behind the one we have who is a bloddy good keeper.

[saint in exile]

Read in the papers that Sturrock was interested in taking Mensing back to Swindon.Said the player was keen to return to England

[dave mc]

Read in the papers that Sturrock was interested in taking Mensing back to Swindon.Said the player was keen to return to England

Hope so!As posted on this thread,he is the main problem on our right side.Gives no protection to the full back,by always drifting inside,ala Hibs 1st,but not just then, far too immobile and constantly looking for fights,not to mention his lack of creativity!

[Saintkev]

Mensing will be another played out of position, i.e. Anderson at Right Back... he looked great at teh start of teh season in the middle, but he has looked uncomfortable of late.

[Radford 72]

Mensing will be another played out of position, i.e. Anderson at Right Back... he looked great at the start of the season in the middle, but he has looked uncomfortable of late.
Agreed KH, what short memories we have.

After the game at Greenock, where Simon was outstanding, I said I thought he'd go on to win Player of the Year awards but since then he's been shifted to the right and doesn't look as comfortable. In the centre of the park, Simon Mensing is a great asset to the team, no doubt about it in my eyes.

He said in his recent programme interview he was really happy to stay at Saints (unless Man United came in for him!) so hopefully we can get him on a new deal as soon as possible with other clubs sniffing around.

[Radford 72]

And just to clarify, by my reckoning, our biggest problem over the last few weeks has been Cuthbert, Lawrie, McManus, James, Mensing, Sheerin, Peaso and obviously OC himself.

Any advance on that?

[Radford 72]

And another thing...

For those that don't look at the other sections of the forum, here are the goals from Saturday...

Clicky (http://www.thedees.co.uk/ondemand.asp)

Obviously the talking point is the winner. Really sloppy from McLaren and Swankie's shot wasn't right in the corner and KC did get a good hand to it. Certainly not a monumental error but would probably admit he could have done better.

[Joey]

I agree with many of the views on this forum in some part. Yes Mensing of late has been an acciedent waiting to happen and is often caught so far out of position its alarming, therefore allowing the winger to get right into Lawrie, creating the idea that lawrie is a poor player. No idea why Mensing has come onto such a bad game, I personally rate him - not every team has a certified hardman in thier midfield. However, a right sided midfielder he is not, hasn't got the pace or talent to pen the oppositions fullbacks into thier own half, get by them and whip in the cross - however with the fact that most of srtikers are on the short side would that be of nay benefit to the team?!?

I don't think Cat was to blame for the goal on Saturday, lets face it if we had scored that goal, we would have been declaring it as one of the goals of the season. Cat is a decent keeper who has served the club well - yes you can make arguements that it is possible one of the reasons for this is that no other club would be interested but be that as it may, his loyalty is still admirable. As someone said, we have no right for a top class keeper, we were lucky in the past to have Main and to date no other keeper has come close to living up to the high expectations that we now have placed upon our keepers.

I do however agree with Shaggy Jenkins, that our midfield at present is no negative its unreal. A defensive unit, yes, superb against Hibs, Falkirk, Gretna yes, but as an attacking option given the team they are surley lacking. We have no realy attacking midfielders, no real wingers (that we play) and to be honest no real speed there. We generally break up the oppositions play, hit the ball long to Scotland, who may or may not actaully control the ball and hope for the best, or get a corner - for the normal aim it at james routine.

Our we a victim of our past where attacking football was common place with our team or do we look at the games shown on tv i.e. the premiership and see attacking football from most teams and think that we should be playing like that? Saints, are no premiership side, no scottish teams are. The quality they have in their ranks is something we can only dream off. Maybe we should be thankful for a team that is solvent allowing us to go and watch some form of football.

Its a shame that the work done by the players opver the last few games has been undone in such a manner in which we lost the game. Surely though blame must be first put at OC door, and ask, why when it was obvious to the 5000+ fans there that we were all at sorts did he not change it until it was far, far too late?

[oldsaintee]

Agree with most of the comments on here, I like Mensing but he is definitely prone to drifting into centre midfield when playing on the right. This more often than not leaves Andy Lawrie with two players to deal with, which of course leaves him looking like the villain for not closing down the opposition. He can't win really

[saint_markperth]

Agree with most of the comments on here, I like Mensing but he is definitely prone to drifting into centre midfield when playing on the right.

to be fair to him he is a central midfielder tho

[Hazel1884]

Mensing is definately still trying to adapt to being pushed out wide - it's a shame his form is the one that has to be sacraficed and he will get comments like the above but it's not his position and he doesn't merit the abuse - it's Big O who's playing him there, not Mensing.

[Cagey]

A decent player should be able to play in most positions on the field. Mensing is pish & has been since he signed apart from the odd good game. He never even got near to the winger at the second goal & his attempt to block the ball was like a primary school pupil trying not to be hit by the ball.

The clip also proves that the second goal was a beut`& Kev had very little chance. So all those waiting for Cuthbert to make a mistake ,get back in your cage.

[mainstand]

The clip also proves that the second goal was a beut`& Kev had very little chance. So all those waiting for Cuthbert to make a mistake ,get back in your cage.

You have such a wonderful turn of phrase and so articulate with it:wink:

Is there a link to the goal by any chance?

[Radford 72]

Is there a link to the goal by any chance?
Go back six posts before yours!

That's what you get for ignoring my pearls of wisdom!

[HertsSaintee]

Just looked at the goals from the game - interesting seeing them after the event having not been there in person.

1) Badly struck penalty by Sheerin. Just the right height for the keeper who guessed the side correctly. It happens.

2) On the question of who was to blame for the winner, IMO better keepers than Cuthbert wouldn't have got near that... It really was a great hit, beautifully struck by Sw***ie. The real damage was done on the left a few seconds before the goal when some shocking tippy-tappy "passing" from Saints gave the ball away in a bad area, leaving the rest of the back line (most of whom had been pulled out to the left) far too stetched. The lesson must always be "if in doubt, put the b*****d into Row Z", surely? Shot ourselves in the foot by the look of it...


Herts

[Nairn Saint]

Just looked at the goals from the game - interesting seeing them after the event having not been there in person.

1) Badly struck penalty by Sheerin. Just the right height for the keeper who guessed the side correctly. It happens.

2) On the question of who was to blame for the winner, IMO better keepers than Cuthbert wouldn't have got near that... It really was a great hit, beautifully struck by Sw***ie. The real damage was done on the left a few seconds before the goal when some shocking tippy-tappy "passing" from Saints gave the ball away in a bad area, leaving the rest of the back line (most of whom had been pulled out to the left) far too stetched. The lesson must always be "if in doubt, put the b*****d into Row Z", surely? Shot ourselves in the foot by the look of it...


Herts

I like your style Herts. "put the b*****d into row Z", or if he's too quick, put the ball out of play! :***:

[Steve Maskrey]

Just looked at the goals from the game - interesting seeing them after the event having not been there in person.

1) Badly struck penalty by Sheerin. Just the right height for the keeper who guessed the side correctly. It happens.

2) On the question of who was to blame for the winner, IMO better keepers than Cuthbert wouldn't have got near that... It really was a great hit, beautifully struck by Sw***ie. The real damage was done on the left a few seconds before the goal when some shocking tippy-tappy "passing" from Saints gave the ball away in a bad area, leaving the rest of the back line (most of whom had been pulled out to the left) far too stetched. The lesson must always be "if in doubt, put the b*****d into Row Z", surely? Shot ourselves in the foot by the look of it...


Herts

You got it right. Sheerin normally blasts them high into the net, giving the keeper no chance but I thi nk he tried to place it and all the keeper had to do was dive the right way and he would get it no problem.

For their second goal, the ball was given away by either Stanic or McLaren who passed it back with no Saints player within 5 yards of the direction the ball was going. Its a bit harsh to criticise the keeper when it was his own defence who gave away possession and didn't close down the scorer

[saint in exile]

I disagree i think because Kevin is height challenged :P he made his attempted save look like a good effort,where in fact a taller keeper would have tipped it over the bar.Dreadful defending though,leaving Kevin exposed in the first place

[Broon]

I disagree i think because Kevin is height challenged :P he made his attempted save look like a good effort,where in fact a taller keeper would have tipped it over the bar.Dreadful defending though,leaving Kevin exposed in the first place

Any goal that Saints concede above waist height is Cuthbert's fault because of his height, this is the gospel of St John :?

[blueheaven]

Just saw the goals for the first time - after hearing Dundee's winner described on the radio as one of the best goals Jim Spence had seen at Dens in years, I have to say I was expecting it to be a lot more of a screamer than it actually was. It looked distinctly saveable to me - Cuthbert should have done much better. I can only hope the Main rumour is true because, if not, we've got yet another summer ahead of desperately trying to scrabble around for a new keeper who can do better.

It's a pity, but I think that if Matt Glennon was still here we'd be much closer to Gretna in the league than we actually are.

[saint in exile]

Just saw the goals for the first time - after hearing Dundee's winner described on the radio as one of the best goals Jim Spence had seen at Dens in years, I have to say I was expecting it to be a lot more of a screamer than it actually was. It looked distinctly saveable to me - Cuthbert should have done much better. I can only hope the Main rumour is true because, if not, we've got yet another summer ahead of desperately trying to scrabble around for a new keeper who can do better.

It's a pity, but I think that if Matt Glennon was still here we'd be much closer to Gretna in the league than we actually are.
Can only echo your sentiments Blue Heaven, Kevin is an ok keeper but with a better keeper we would be pretty close to/or ahead of Gretna(Halliwell threw away more points than Kevin though) and possibly in the final of the cup as well.

[Watty]

It's a pity, but I think that if Matt Glennon was still here we'd be much closer to Gretna in the league than we actually are.

Agree with that whole heartedly....should've pushed the boat out to keep him IMO.

[StDuncM]

Have to second that as well. Glennon has been the star for the Terriers on a number of occasions when we have been to the Galpharm this season.