NO MARK OF RESPECT FOR DREW!!!

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Nothing nada A TOTAL ****ING DISGRACE IMHO.

THIS CUB IS FAST BECOMING A JOKE

THIS IS HOW WE REMEMBER OUR LONGEST SERVING PLAYER.........UTTER BULLSHIT....I AM ASHAMES ANGRY AND EMBARRASSED.

I ONLY HOPE THOSE IN CHARGE ARE AS WELL BUT I SOMEHOW DOUBT IT.

With there being a change in ref I can only hope there was a mixup and he did not get the message. If not there is no excuse

[Davey]

i thought there would have been too!

i decided to get up to McD earlier to make sure i didnt miss it!

[mainstand]

Nothing nada A TOTAL ****ING DISGRACE IMHO.

THIS CUB IS FAST BECOMING A JOKE

THIS IS HOW WE REMEMBER OUR LONGEST SERVING PLAYER.........UTTER BULLSHIT....I AM ASHAMES ANGRY AND EMBARRASSED.

I ONLY HOPE THOSE IN CHARGE ARE AS WELL BUT I SOMEHOW DOUBT IT.

With there being a change in ref I can only hope there was a mixup and he did not get the message. If not there is no excuse

A wee bit OTT!!

I think there would have been had we had a game prior to the funeral but not after. You should remember the Club was represented at the funeral and did show respect by wearing black arm bands last week and flying the flags at half mast until the funeral.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Yeah maybe.

But it still did not give the avarage fan any way to mark their respect

[mainstand]

Yeah maybe.

But it still did not give the avarage fan any way to mark their respect

totally agree and it was unfortunate taht the game was an away match last week.

Out of curiosity there always seems to be fans showing their respects at times like this by leaving scarves etc did this happen??

[HeronAddict]

With there being a change in ref I can only hope there was a mixup and he did not get the message. If not there is no excuse

I really hope this was the case, if not your right, there's really is no excuse. I suppose it could be argued that because Drew passed away a couple of weeks ago and the funeral's already taken place, the moment for a minute of silence/applause had passed, but I would totally disagree with that argument if that is the case. Would it really have been a major problem to have a minute before the game to allow ordinary fans to pay thier respects, especially those like myself who are too young to have seen Drew play? I don't think so.

[jinky]

With there being a change in ref I can only hope there was a mixup and he did not get the message. If not there is no excuse

I really hope this was the case, if not your right, there's really is no excuse. I suppose it could be argued that because Drew passed away a couple of weeks ago and the funeral's already taken place, the moment for a minute of silence/applause had passed, but I would totally disagree with that argument if that is the case. Would it really have been a major problem to have a minute before the game to allow ordinary fans to pay thier respects, especially those like myself who are too young to have seen Drew play? I don't think so.

My thoughts exactly. I never saw him play, but he obviously gave a hell of a lot to saints, and i would have liked a chance to pay some respect.
Another gaff from saints, ahhh they dont really care about us do they :?:

[Storm]

Nothing nada A TOTAL ****ING DISGRACE IMHO.

THIS CUB IS FAST BECOMING A JOKE

THIS IS HOW WE REMEMBER OUR LONGEST SERVING PLAYER.........UTTER BULLSHIT....I AM ASHAMES ANGRY AND EMBARRASSED.

I ONLY HOPE THOSE IN CHARGE ARE AS WELL BUT I SOMEHOW DOUBT IT.

With there being a change in ref I can only hope there was a mixup and he did not get the message. If not there is no excuse

A wee bit OTT!!

I think there would have been had we had a game prior to the funeral but not after. You should remember the Club was represented at the funeral and did show respect by wearing black arm bands last week and flying the flags at half mast until the funeral.


I don't often post here unless I feel that I have something worth saying.
I think that the lack of a minute's silence today was disgraceful - It does not matter if the players wore black armbands, or flew the flag at half mast - the fans should have been given the opportunity to pay their respects at McD before the game - as someone has already stated, there was a minute's silence for George Best - and I know that Drew Rutherford means a lot more to me that Mr Best.
I can only hope that the minute's silence was held back for a reason, if not, I'll await an official explanation from the club.

I'll refrain from posting further remarks until I read an official response.

G

[slf]

I wood rather have minute silence for drew than best,thought it wa bad.At least we got to show our thoughts at the 2zzer.Drew new before he went how much we cared and that means much more than a mins silence to me.


one of the 80's train mob




to be fair the head bummers at the club brown,duff etc do not remember or were there back in Drews time.SO THEY DONT UNDERSTAND.Funny how younger fans who dont remember Drew do understand though.Out of touch comes to mind.

[Hazel1884]

I was tempted to e-mail the club when i got in last night to find out why but refrained from doing so.

I think everyone presumed we would be having one - there were so many people who stood standing for it around us, and spoke to a few in the twoser who said they felt like numpty's just standing their expecting it to happen.

[Tranmere Saintee]

I was tempted to e-mail the club when i got in last night to find out why but refrained from doing so.

I can only suggest yourself or one of the other organisers of Drew,s benefit night do email the club and politely ask them if there was a reason for nothing being done at yesterdays game.

[Storm]

I was tempted to e-mail the club when i got in last night to find out why but refrained from doing so.

I can only suggest yourself or one of the other organisers of Drew,s benefit night do email the club and politely ask them if there was a reason for nothing being done at yesterdays game.


Already done - I await a reply!

G

[Storm]

STILL awaiting a reply............................................. .................

[Tranmere Saintee]

STILL awaiting a reply............................................. .................

Can I ask who you sent it to and if it was politely written?

I have found writing direct to Paul is usually the best bet (paul@stjohnstonefc.co.uk) as he will usually reply quickly if in the office, even if to only let you know it is being looked into.

[Kevin]

STILL awaiting a reply............................................. .................

The club offices were closed yesterday and today is Lotto day and the morning as rather hectic

[Real Madrid]

I have found writing direct to Paul is usually the best bet (paul@stjohnstonefc.co.uk) as he will usually reply quickly if in the office, even if to only let you know it is being looked into.

I have not been on the forum since Christmas eve however I did contact Paul yesterday and he has been back in touch this morning to say he will pass my e-mail on to Stewart Duff

I have asked the club to make public their reason for there being no mark of respect

[Storm]

"Hi,
I am just looking for an explanation as to why there was not a minute's silence before this match in memory of Drew Rutherford.
Was this just an error on the part of the Club/Referee or was it a policy decision made by the club?

Many thanks for your attention on this matter.

Graeme J Stewart"


That polite enough for you TS?

G

[Tranmere Saintee]

Storm,

Exceedingly so - it is just that I know from experience that certain people at the club take offence at the slightest thing, especially if they think it is a persional attack.

[Storm]

Thanks TS, I always try to be polite where appropriate.

I still await a reply from the club on this subject, I shall wait patiently (should I hold my breath? - I don't think so).

I shall refrain from posting further on this subject until after Monday - watch this space, and the media.


G

[Tranmere Saintee]

According to todays PA there will be a presentation to Drews wife and family at half-time during the Scumdee game, at which Saints fans will be able to express their appreciation of Drew.

Apparently the organisers of Drews night will be making this presentation - are they aware of this and if so could have stopped a lot of this bad feeling creeping (nae rushing) in. Remembering that Hazel has been on here complaining.

Could the club not have let the fans know via the official site and again stopped the bad feeling towards the club?

It is all so easy now to let people know what is happening.

[Scobby_SJFC]

any chance of having it at the dundee game ?

[Tranmere Saintee]

any chance of having it at the dundee game ?

According to todays PA there will be a presentation to Drews wife and family at half-time during the Scumdee game, at which Saints fans will be able to express their appreciation of Drew.

[Hazel1884]

According to todays PA there will be a presentation to Drews wife and family at half-time during the Scumdee game, at which Saints fans will be able to express their appreciation of Drew.

Apparently the organisers of Drews night will be making this presentation - are they aware of this and if so could have stopped a lot of this bad feeling creeping (nae rushing) in. Remembering that Hazel has been on here complaining.

Could the club not have let the fans know via the official site and again stopped the bad feeling towards the club?

It is all so easy now to let people know what is happening.

TS, i actually only found out that there would be a presentation two nights ago, but it had not been confirmed. As i am no longer sure what's going on, i just leave things till i get told. Bear/Kev are the only ones who know what's going on!!

[Tranmere Saintee]

Bear/Kev are the only ones who know what's going on!!

Your having a larf :***:

[Hazel1884]

Bear/Kev are the only ones who know what's going on!!

Your having a larf :***:

Nah, i'm not TS.

They know more than us, therefore if you want information it would be best to see they 2!

[Kevin]

According to todays PA there will be a presentation to Drews wife and family at half-time during the Scumdee game, at which Saints fans will be able to express their appreciation of Drew.

Apparently the organisers of Drews night will be making this presentation - are they aware of this and if so could have stopped a lot of this bad feeling creeping (nae rushing) in. Remembering that Hazel has been on here complaining.

Could the club not have let the fans know via the official site and again stopped the bad feeling towards the club?

It is all so easy now to let people know what is happening.

As Hazel has already pointed out, she only found out on Wednesday evening, the same as ther est of us did. There has been quite a bit of back-room work going on to try and get something done, Margaret was the hardest to get on board as she is nervous about going on to the pitch but it seems Drew asked her to before he passed away. For anyone to have said something would only have been like throwing petrol on an already bright fire, so it was kept it quiet until we knew what was happening.

The presentation will be at the start of half-time and will involve the folk who set it all up, the club are taking a back-seat out of respect for all the hard work done by the 208 supporters. The cheque will be presented to Margaret and her family, then I will ask you all to show your appreciation for Drew. Now this is a gamble as most of you disappear at half-time so we could be faced with empty stands again however, I would hope that as you now know about this you will stay to show your appreciation. Please also tell anyone else who you know is going, to do likewise, that way we can show Margaret just how much respect the Saints fans have for Drew.

TS, don't go shooting the messengers, we just tried to do what you were all looking for but couldn't confirm anything until such time as it was all arranged.

[saintbear]

Okay here the story regarding the presentation. It had been provisionally booked ages ago (the week of the Race night for the 2nd), but as Drews death was so close to Xmas everything was put on hold.

I spoke to Margaret on 27th Dec and she said the family would still like to go ahead with it on 2nd as planned. So only then did I speak to the club and set the wheels in motion. As soon as I knew anything, I emailed Hazel, Kev, Graeme etc to say what was happening. I personally was not going to presurize the family at this difficult time of year, this was there decision.

The club knew there would be a presentation at some point in January, so therefor maybe felt it would be more significant to wait until then I do not know.

Hazel you are as informed as me and anyone else, what I know, you know. :roll: :)

Hopefully on Monday everyone will show there support and appreciation for Drew to his family at this difficult time. It won't be easy for them as everything is still raw.

My concern is the coagies lack of respect, for them.So please cheer, chant, clap on Saturday for them.

Hope this clarifies everything. :wink:

[Kevin]

Hopefully on Saturday everyone will show there support and appreciation for Drew to his family at this difficult time.

My concern is the coagies lack of respect, for them.So please cheer, chant, clap on Saturday for them.


Bear, of course, means Monday........ :oops:

[saintbear]

Hopefully on Saturday everyone will show there support and appreciation for Drew to his family at this difficult time.

My concern is the coagies lack of respect, for them.So please cheer, chant, clap on Saturday for them.


Bear, of course, means Monday........ :oops:

:oops: Duh, changed it now, thanks Kevin :wink:

[Tranmere Saintee]

Again, I will say this could easily have been nipped in the bud by a simple statement to say that something is in hand and details will be released when it is finalised - quite simple really. It is known as communication.

That way this thread would not have been started and the likes of Storm would not have felt the need to have written to the club.

If Drews family had felt that they did not want to go ahead with it, then there wishes would have been respected and people would have understood - but the deadly silence was just fanning the flames.

[Gaffer]

Storm knew this there was to be a January presentation , but had assumed like others that it would be cancelled at the familys wishes.

[saintbear]

Again, I will say this could easily have been nipped in the bud by a simple statement to say that something is in hand and details will be released when it is finalised - quite simple really. It is known as communication.

That way this thread would not have been started and the likes of Storm would not have felt the need to have written to the club.

If Drews family had felt that they did not want to go ahead with it, then there wishes would have been respected and people would have understood - but the deadly silence was just fanning the flames.

Point taken TS and I apologies if I had misled anyone at all.

[Hazel1884]

Point taken TS and I apologies if I had misled anyone at all.

Things were left to last minute as Bear/Kevin have confirmed - lets just get on with it and make sure all you can hear is respect round the ground for him - even if it means drowning out the Coagies!

One Drew Rutherford... :D

[Gaffer]

Agree with you Hazel :D

Monday will be our chance to show our appreciation for Drew. Surely the coags would not stoop so low as to disrespect this moment.

Then again.......................I would hope not :evil:

[nips]

Not that I wish to defend our friends from up the river, but do we have any reason to think the coags wouldn't be respectful? I could be wrong (for once :D ) but I don't remember hearing of the unwashed spoiling a minutes silence or anything along those lines in the past so would be surprised if they did it on Monday. Plus, they don't really give a toss about us as much as we do about them, or so they tell us anyway.

[Kevin]

Ok folks, the presentation will be at the beginnig of half-time and I will be asking you all to show your appreciation for Drew with a minutes applause whilst the cheque is being handed over.

To this end, I have also scrapped the anti-coagie music as I would rather they were either silent or joined in the applause, rather than have then shouting and swearing during the presentation. Sorry if anyone is disappointed.

Kevin

[pezza70]

Im sure the coagies wouldnt do anything to disrespect Drew's minute of applause whilst his family are on the pitch at half time, 99% of all people have some amount of decency in them, even coagies.

Football is only a game, a families grieving lasts longer then a 90 minute game.

If they do attempt to do something stupid I hope the security turf them out the ground quick smart.

[soccerchic]

Hope all went well at half-time today for the family.

I am sure the coagies behaved.

Well done to all involved. Hopefully you won't have to raise funds for any other players in the near future.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Hope all went well at half-time today for the family.

I am sure the coagies behaved.

Well done to all involved. Hopefully you won't have to raise funds for any other players in the near future.

Very moving few minutes and congrats to the Coagies for having the common decency to fully support it.

[grr]

Yes it was good to see them supporting the moment - unlike the padded seat masses who could not get to the free pies quick enough. Probably asking each other Who?

[Kevin]

I had hoped the West Stand folk would saty back, but hey-ho, it is their choice......

Thanked the Dundee fans as a lot of them joined in the applause but was not happy at the Saints youngsters who booed when I thanked the Dundee fans for their support.

Very moving few minutes, and thanks to Dave, Kev, Hazel and Graham for getting this done, and especially to you guys for the applause, my hair was on end!!

[Real Madrid]

Very moving few minutes, and thanks to Dave, Kev, Hazel and Graham for getting this done, and especially to you guys for the applause, my hair was on end!!

Fully agree, well done to everyone for setting this up and I think it was a perfect tribute from the fans to an all time Saints legend.

[Hazel1884]

I had hoped the West Stand folk would saty back, but hey-ho, it is their choice......

Thanked the Dundee fans as a lot of them joined in the applause but was not happy at the Saints youngsters who booed when I thanked the Dundee fans for their support.

Very moving few minutes, and thanks to Dave, Kev, Hazel and Graham for getting this done, and especially to you guys for the applause, my hair was on end!!

As was Kevin and I. We talked about it in the 2ser last night and just being on that pitch knowing it was for Drew was amazing.

I was too scared to look at the stand though, it was a very surreal sight being on the pitch and seeing the stand full :shock: :oops:

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Was very moving.

In fairness it was only the sponsors in the west stand, who the majority are not Saints fans and are only there on a freebee that left at half time. All the regular fans around me to a person stayed behind

[Saint Hayley]

Was Very moving i must admit that i did have a few tears in my eyes, Well done to all the guys once again. :D

[Saintkev]

Bear/Kev are the only ones who know what's going on!!

Your having a larf :***:

Nah, i'm not TS.

They know more than us, therefore if you want information it would be best to see they 2!

I knew less than you, if it's something the club are organising, don't expect me to hear anything... I'm scum me!

[Saintkev]

There's not many fans that would boo during such a silence... but the coags still went up in my estimation, but then I watched the DVD of us getting to Europe and heard all the monkey chants whenever Simao got the ball, so they are back in the gutter!

Good noise from the Saintees though, proud moment!