Partick Thistle vs. Saints 13/03/07

[Scobby_SJFC]

Game at Firhill, Whos going?

Hopefully another 4 goals and 3 points

[Nairn Saint]

Away win. Clean sheet. Hardie man of the match. :wink:

[templeofsaints]

Away win. Clean sheet. Hardie man of the match. :wink:

You missed out the bit about Uncle Fester chucking his bunnet away in another tantrum :***:

[18SJHedgieFC84]

I'm not going, but lets hope we can get our away win record out of the window and 3 points.

[HertsSaintee]

It's all looking highly unlikely now, but we always knew we would have to win on Tuesday to stay on Gretna's tail. Lose and it is over. Leagues are won and lost over a season, and we all know where it's cost us this time round, but that's a subject for another thread. We need to keep the pressure on Gretna for as long as we can and fight to the bitter end, if nothing more to keep us in a positive frame of mind for Hampden.

On Partick's showing on Saturday, we should win this one comfortably, as they are completely toothless and look like the lightweight side they are, finding their real level after exceeding expectations early on in the season. The worrying thing from our point of view was that we are playing with a rather worrying lethargy, and to be honest I don't know why. Almost as if the players themselves are now seeing it as too big an askand saving themselves for the semi... Hope I'm wrong.

Herts

[Radford 72]

I think we have to be favourites again for this. How do Thistle lift themselves after Saturday, especially with our other two results against them? They can look at our away record I guess but I don't think that over-rides our performances against them this season.

It'd be nice to play better than yesterday but the three points are all that matters.

I imagine Jason will be told to give his all for 50 mins and then we'll take him off again and the side will probably be pretty similar to Saturday although Kevin James will obviously be a doubt. I'd expect Morais to keep his place although OC may try to be more unpredictable and play McLaren.

I wonder if Campbell will ring the changes. He's probably true in what he said about Martin Hardie being the difference between the sides but they never really threatened us and that was our first clean sheet since the last time we played them, in November. I expect he might start Morrow and will no doubt change his goalkeeper again.

It's a lot to expect fans to fork out for another midweek trip so I don't expect many to travel, hopefully more than the 139 that made it to Dumfries though.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Will be there to see us pull back todays lost 3 points :?

[Saintkev]

I've got a horrible feeling we'll just draw this... but then I thought we'd get papped from United and Rangers!!

[Victor]

The Law of Averages must kick in sometime.

[lulu]

We'll win by 4 or 5. We have to. It's the rules.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

we were bad on saturday apart from the two goals but partick were absolutly dire, we should win by at least 2 or 3 goals. :D :D :D
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!!!

[Saint Paul]

We have to look at how poor they looked on Saturday and take hope from that. We should be going there and attacking them from the get-go and I do not think that they could cope.

They will not be looking forward to facing us so soon after us defeating them so easilly, and we have to keep that momentum going, and we HAVE to keep the pressure on The Village People.

Our away form is the only questionable thing in the whole scenario, and as Kev said, this is what can give Partick some hope. We have looked awfull, at times, away from home this season, but its tradition now that we go to Partick and score 4 !!!

[taylorboy69]

This game couldnt come at a better time.

We are crying out for an away win and after seeing how poor Thistle were - as someone previously mentioned - we really need to go right at them from the off and get the early goal.

None of this defensive play - play to our strengths and attack.

Id be contemplating McLaren wide Left and Morais wide Right and have right go at them.

Come on Saints - win every game from here in and we will do it.

[Kyle]

we'll draw.

Can't see us winning it for some reason... Thistle will know what to expect on tuesday after the last game and be mroe difficult to break down.

I'd take a 1-0 with a contentious 90th minute winner now if anyone's offering

[Radford 72]

Injuries doubts over Peaso, McInnes and James, with the latter rated as very doubtful. Not surprised Peaso has picked up a knock, some of the challenges going in on him on Saturday were brutal.

Cat

Lawrie - McManus - Ando - Stanic

Morais - Hardie - Mensing - Sheerin

Scotland - McLaren/Jackson

Milne isn't fit enough to start and Lilley is crap.

[^sainteebrian^]

fingers crossed for jackson getting a start

[dave mc]

fingers crossed for jackson getting a start

He's a doubt with a virus according to official site!

[HertsSaintee]

Reading the official site, it sounds as if injuries are coming back to bite us in the a*** once more because the squad just isn't big enough. Another central defensive injury and we're fecked.

Anyway if the 3 main doubts don't make it, Radford's line up is the most likely.

We shall see.

Herts

[Victor]

Can't see us winning it for some reason...
Have to agree.

[Chansey]

Anyway if the 3 main doubts don't make it, Radford's line up is the most likely.


Although i agree lilley is shite, i think OC will go with him, assuming Peaso doesn't make it. He has came on the last few games, so Coyle must think he has something to continuously pick him over jackson.

[Radford 72]

Although i agree lilley is shite, i think OC will go with him, assuming Peaso doesn't make it. He has came on the last few games, so Coyle must think he has something to continuously pick him over jackson.
That's my worry too. He'll get my full support and I hope he proves me wrong but he just doesn't look up to it.

I missed the bit about Jacko and McLaren being doubts with a virus although hopefully it'll just be a 24 hour thing for them, although I appreciate McInnes had it longer. Do they travel together? If so then let's hope the rest of the Glasgow boys aren't going to get it.

Actually, this f'cks me off! Thistle got the game postponed because of a virus and now we have to play the game when we have one!

[Scobby_SJFC]

Although i agree lilley is shite, i think OC will go with him, assuming Peaso doesn't make it. He has came on the last few games, so Coyle must think he has something to continuously pick him over jackson.
That's my worry too. He'll get my full support and I hope he proves me wrong but he just doesn't look up to it.

I missed the bit about Jacko and McLaren being doubts with a virus although hopefully it'll just be a 24 hour thing for them, although I appreciate McInnes had it longer. Do they travel together? If so then let's hope the rest of the Glasgow boys aren't going to get it.

Actually, this f'cks me off! Thistle got the game postponed because of a virus and now we have to play the game when we have one!

Ano total shambles, game should have been played in the first place, i'll be there

C'mon the saints!!

[sjfcgs]

4 goals! we're gona score 4 goals. we're gona score 4 goals etc etc.

I cant really see us slotting 4 past them & having an easy victory.
Even though it is the rules when we play them through there.

I think Myself and many others would happily sit and watch a scrappy 2-1 win for the Bloooooes!

I'll be there!

[LewGti]

I am going and looking forward to it. I dont think Thistle will be as shit as they where on Sat, think we should be to strong for them tho (I hope). Will Dick be in the stand or do u not get a ban for being sent to the stand?

Can some clear up the Kick off time, I heard it may be 7.30pm and not the usuall 7.45pm. Sorry if this has been discussed.

[HertsSaintee]

7.30pm it is.

Herts

[LewGti]

7.30pm it is.

Herts


Cheers, just saw it on the official site too :D

[Saintkev]

Starting to grow more confident we'll win this now... just don't expect teh four goals!

[Tranmere Saintee]

Chatting to a Partick fan at lunch time who is dreading tonights game, he was begging Saints not to turn up as that is the only way he can see them getting anything out of the game.

He couldn't believe we didn't go for the juglar on saturday and destroy them and pull back a good chunk of the goal difference.

[Hazel1884]

He couldn't believe we didn't go for the juglar on saturday and destroy them and pull back a good chunk of the goal difference.

I think that's the general feeling of Sants fans, TS!

Guns blazing tonight i hope!

[Scobby_SJFC]

Just about to leave, love the underground in Glasgow, not :(

See you there guys!!

[The Real Saints]

Will it be on radio?

[Skeeter]

Will it be on radio?

Live commentary on Radio Scotland will be from Motherwell v Aberdeen. :(

[Victor]

Guns blazing tonight i hope!
I think weve come to learn Hazel that under OC that will never happen! :(

[SJFC1988]

Same team from sat. apart from ando in for james!

[^sainteebrian^]

starting line up


Cuthbert

mensing mc manus anderson stanic


Morais mc innes Hardie Sheerin



peaso scotland



mabye not in that line up but thats whos playing

[Broggy Man]

fecking great one down morrow

[Willie Peat]

1-0 for Thistle

[california_saintee]

arse

[SJFC1988]

we really r shyt!!!!! :evil:

[MUZZ]

OK ITS ONLY ONE NIL BUT WHO ELSE THINKS ITS GAME OVER ALREADY TONIGHT.

[^sainteebrian^]

nop not over..........yet lets see by halftime

[Calinho]

This away form is really becoming beyond strange, because we're such a solid team any other time

[Nairn Saint]

Come on ye Saints...............................

[^sainteebrian^]

our league form is strange in general because when we play an spl side we suddenly..well GOOD :D :wink:

[MUZZ]

This away form is really becoming beyond strange, because we're such a solid team any other time


shame half our season is played away :evil:

[^sainteebrian^]

thats county 1 up to hamilton

[^sainteebrian^]

why are county wininning :( theve got 2 now

[The Real Saints]

Why are you sad about County winning? Surely it would be much worse if Hamilton were winning. :?

[^sainteebrian^]

oh my god 3-0 county :o

[Calinho]

county 3 up in 16 minutes

[Moray Blue]

Halftime behind 1-0.

[^sainteebrian^]

fingers crossed for second half

[emptyheed]

COME ON YE SAINTS!

[^sainteebrian^]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WHAT HE SAID :D 8)

[sideshowbob1974]

Typical Saints,build you up then knock you down
No Bottle,Dont win tonight league over,which is embarishing,considering Gretna are crap and we cant even win an away match
Coyle must take the blame for this away form which is costing us the league

[^sainteebrian^]

it just depends on what gretna do with the rest of the season were only three wins behind if we lose today thats not that much

[Nairn Saint]

Away win. Clean sheet. Hardie man of the match. :wink:

:oops:

[Andy]

Double sub, Scotland & McDonald off. Lilley & Milne on, 59 mins

[sideshowbob1974]

Are you forgetting we are away again on Sat to Airdrie Utd
Oh now we are down to ten men tonight
ANDERSON Sent off for 2nd booking
League over

[^sainteebrian^]

im getting hacked off now

[dave mc]

Ando sent off!!

[^sainteebrian^]

seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :?: :?:

[Nairn Saint]

'mon the ten men!

[^sainteebrian^]

we give him a game in one of the most important games and he gets sent off yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :evil:

[Nairn Saint]

We should be able to beat Plastic Whistle with ten men!

[dave mc]

2-0

[Saintly Child]

Thats Bad :?

[The Real Saints]

2 bloody 0

[^sainteebrian^]

OMG im gettin so annoyd with saints and im sure im not the only one GOD SAKE

[Nairn Saint]

:cry:

[Moray Blue]

oh well, who wanted to go up anyway :roll:

[shandon saint]

nightmare.......

[SJC]

Absolute disgrace this, 2-0 down to Thistle who are awful!

We have been awful in the league this season, lost far too many games away from home and might now struggle to finish second to a poor Gretna.

Next year Dundee and QOS etc all stand a better chance of winning the league than us because they've beaten us, we're also likely to lose our better players as well which won't do us any favours.

[Calinho]

Is it just me that its the same story every year, once we get a glimmer its snatched away again, its fustrating :(

[^sainteebrian^]

Is it just me that its the same story every year, once we get a glimmer its snatched away again, its fustrating :(

thats the life story of a saints supporter

[dave mc]

Donkey Keogh scored one and made other,could be a result of not having Big Kev playing!

[The Real Saints]

Away form shouldn't even have come into the equation tonight. The players surely knew what was up for stake in this game, and should have won this easily. We know that Saints are capable of giving any team in Scotland a good match when they're playing well, but unfortunately we've only managed to achieve any success in the cups. What we've lacked in the league this season, but have shown in the cups, is the passion, and that has been proven tonight.

[Calinho]

http://www.abach.ca/funnies/Beeraccident.jpg

[emptyheed]

i agree with above

but the question is who to blame?

i don't think OC is completely 2 blame but....

[Nairn Saint]

http://www.abach.ca/funnies/Beeraccident.jpg

I think it does come down to that! Not for the first time the bottle crashes!

The great unpredictables beating the sadly predictables and our league season is over.

[The Real Saints]

Full time. Well done lads. On a side note, I told one of my friends that if we didn't win tonight, I'd chop off my penis and eat it. It's going to be an uncomfortable day at school tomorrow.. :(

[18SJHedgieFC84]

Ach well, another season is the doom and gloom :(

Still have Celtic to look forward to!

[^sainteebrian^]

i give up i really do, i dont understand saints

[SJFC1988]

yup, well played lads give urselfes a pat on the back......NOT :evil:

[^sainteebrian^]

Ach well, another season is the doom and gloom :(

Still have Celtic to look forward to!


i bet well give celtic i good seeing to, but partick nooooooooooooooooo

[SJC]

Unbelievable really, what a chance we had to win the league this year- completely gifted the title to Gretna despite the fact that they're nothing special.

We had the momentum before the season started, even Gus McPherson picked us to win the title but we're not even close.

With 2 games in hand away to both Ross County and Partick we should have been 3 points behind with Gretna to play.

How are we so good in the cups but garbage away from home in the league? It's like a complete set of different players.

Now we've got the pleasure of being surrounded by 40 000 Celtic fans with their songs of joy and all things bright and beautiful.

What a season.

[pezza70]

sums up our season, rise to the occasion against SPL teams and suck the big one in our league

maybe we are just a bunch of cup minows who have our day in the sun every now and then.

feeling quite low right now over this result

[Coltrane]

i give up i really do, i dont understand saints

Its all part of the joy of being a Saints fan - the ups and the downs (mostly the downs...)

[rickardo]

What ive been hearing, it was the tactics that fecked it tonight for us.Not to worry theres always next season :!: pish :evil:

[garydavidson]

just back from the game.

The ref was a complete joke tonight. saints did not want to win the match at all and only worked once down to 10 men.

Gretna could lose their next 8 games and saints still would not win the league.

mensing was at right back and i think he was wasted there would have been much more effective in the middle of the park.
it was the usual story of us having no midfield and just punting it up to the strikers. Savo and lilley were a lot more effective up front when they came on.

Particks second goal was a joke three of their players blocked kev getting anywhere near the ball but the ref and linesman let them off and one of them nodded the ball in the net.

who ever that ref was should never ever be allowed to be in charge of a match again. a complete joke.

but the fact can not be missed that saints did not want to win this game.

andersons second yellow was for a 50 50 challenge where they both went in with high feet, the only difference was the partick player knew how to roll about on the ground.

partick were quite a dirty team in that aspect tonight and hit the deck far to easily which the ref fell for.

we had a lot of flaws tonight and really need to think about better ways of attacking.

[garydavidson]

What ive been hearing, it was the tactics that fecked it tonight for us.Not to worry theres always next season :!: pish :evil:

i would have had lawrie in defence and mensing in midfield. also mcinnes never seemed to quite know if he was in defence or supposed to be in midfield.

The game was really designed for the big guys tonight and i think mensing got frustrated being so out of the action at right back.

its one of those moments where you just have to go through being a saints fan.

[Cagey]

Fat lady has finally sung but we all knew she has been warming up for a few weeks now.
I don`t think this team wanted to win the league as they probably know they would not be here next season.

[McCallum]

Yet another superb away performance. Referee didn't help. Players lethargic. Cuthbert had a blinder. Enough said.

[StDuncM]

We are nothing without a fit Kevin James to marshall the defence.

[Nairn Saint]

We are nothing without a fit Kevin James to marshall the defence.

The goal at Ross County showed me how much we rely on him. When he's missing, the defence looks scared!

[theweesausage]

I was all set to write a nasty comment about tonight and our lack of away performances, i`ve hidden all sharp objects and removed the laces from my shoes, however coming on here and again seeing pezza70`s avatar i`ve started to chill out again
P.S who is she????? :***: :***:

[garydavidson]

I was all set to write a nasty comment about tonight and our lack of away performances, i`ve hidden all sharp objects and removed the laces from my shoes, however coming on here and again seeing pezza70`s avatar i`ve started to chill out again
P.S who is she????? :***: :***:

dont know but she would be a great help in the middle of the park!

[theweesausage]

I was all set to write a nasty comment about tonight and our lack of away performances, i`ve hidden all sharp objects and removed the laces from my shoes, however coming on here and again seeing pezza70`s avatar i`ve started to chill out again
P.S who is she????? :***: :***:

dont know but she would be a great help in the middle of the park!
I thought they looked good upfront

[garydavidson]

I was all set to write a nasty comment about tonight and our lack of away performances, i`ve hidden all sharp objects and removed the laces from my shoes, however coming on here and again seeing pezza70`s avatar i`ve started to chill out again
P.S who is she????? :***: :***:

dont know but she would be a great help in the middle of the park!
I thought they looked good upfront

the top would not look so good on kevin james though i would imagine. sure xara could make some form of replica of her top

[HertsSaintee]

A few things ocurred to me tonight...

There should be no complaints about this. The better side won and for the most part Partick were rank which gives some idea of how bad we were. Scandalous when you consider what was at stake for Saints.

We displayed that weird lethargy that has plagued our game all season big time tonight. Players didn't appear to be up for it. Second to every ball. No closing down. Lack of urgency.

NOT ONE of the senior players, McInnes, Sheerin, McManus or Hardie for the most part was prepared to own the game. If they can't do that they have no place in a Saints team any more. IMHO Derek McInnes offers us nothing and should be punted immediately. It's not the first time. Very poor player.

Kevin Cuthbert had a good game and kept the score down with a number of fine saves, but I'm still not convinced about his overall ability.

Pains me to say it, but the likes of Jason Scotland is not what we need in this league - a mere passenger as he has been on too many occasions. He and McDonald spent more time shrugging their shoulders at each other after c**p half hearted layoffs rather than putting more effort in.

About McDonald, if he was injured or had a virus, WHY DID OC START HIM??? He looked about 10 yards off the pace, and we only started to look threatening when Savo and Lilley came on, which brought the likes of Hardie and Morais into the game more.

Ando was very unlucky to be sent off. Put in some effort at least, booked for two (I thought) innocuous challenges.

We will NOT win the league with this squad. Major bottling problem. Rebuild required.

Steven Milne is indispensible to us. If we could have another 9 outfield players like him with his energy and commitment, we would walk this league.

We have capitulated far too easily at the end of it. A few good results against some poor SPL sides is only papering over some gaping holes in the wall.

Herts

[SaintSam1884]

Saints were poor tonight.

There's nothing left to say, we have blown the best chance of promotion since we have been in this division and the blame for that lies at one mans door. Owen Coyle can no longer dodge criticism for this seasons poor away form, he simply has to provide the fans with some answers.

Some of us spent money we didn't have to travel to watch Saints tonight, and to be ripped apart by a side we have shown to be so poor on so many occasions this season was the last straw for me. Indeed, it will be the last game I travel to this season.

[Broon]

Well that sums Saints up, total shite away from home. Kevin Cuthbert saved us from getting a spanking tonight - plain and simple. He made several superb stops.

We started poorly with Cuthbert making a save in the second minute. From then on the ref was blowing for fouls against out defenders for simply heading the ball (Ando's first booking was a disgrace). Everything over the top of our defenders we made a meal of with the biggest arse hole in our team looking like he wanted to be somewhere else (GTF Allan McManus). Their goal came from a cross into the box which a defender headed off Morrow and it somehow went into the net.

Cuthbert made a wondeful save a short while later when our defence again couldnt clear their lines, getting his foot to a shot from about 6 yards out. Haride also missed from 6 yards or so to level.

Our only other notable effort in the first was when Peaso superbly chested a ball down and sent Scotland clean through but he never even looked like scoring and the keeper blocked. Scotland was pish again.

Half time came and Saints fans booed and guess what? Moaning bastard McManus has a go at the fans. He is easily our worst player (can't even win a header) and was getting ripped to shreads all game yet he has the cheek to have a go at a support who have been cheated by those players in every away game for 6 months :evil: I never want to see that arse in a Saints shirt again. Dry your eyes McManus and sort your own game out before moaning at the fans.

Anyway, the second half never proved much better. Coyle subbed Peaso (shit decision) and Scotland for Lilley (who was ok) and Milne (missed a sitter). Ando was sent off (it wasnt even a foul never mind a 2nd booking) and Coyle decided not to bring another defender on, letting Morais cover 2 positions (when he was clearly knackered doing just one).

We created a few chances in the second half after going down to 10 men and played some decent stuff but our defence was all over the shop (what was left of it) and Cuthbert made a number of fine stops. Partick got their second goal (clear foul on the keeper) and that was it - game over.

Overall, Coyle never had any clue how to make us win this game. He also never had any options to sort out our midfield which was clearly struggling. How Sheerin has kept his place in our team considering his form is amazing. The ref didn't help the result but he certainly wasnt to blame. Another season thrown away - lets hope we can start to rebuild for next season starting by sending McManus his P45 by first class post, recorded delivery :x

[templeofsaints]

Temple reports up now but the sensitive may not want to read it - I'm not happy. I'm totally pissed off with having to put up with Saints playing in such a lazy, cant-be-arsed, pathetic, way. We have blown the league now and the worst thing is it's all down to stupid bloody mistakes and a casual approach to too many games. Remember this is the same mob that can somehow raise their game when we're in the cup or on the telly but when it matters at least as much simply fail to produce the goods.

We missed James tonight and Ando was unlucky with the red card and yes the ref was pish but we didn't deserve anything from the game. We rarely threatened their goal and if it wasn't for the Cat we'd have been on the wrong end of the traditional 4-0 scoreline.

Too many "veterans" who Owen seems to stick so much faith in let themselves and the fans down badly tonight. We'll get the usual pish about how they'll make it up for the semi etc but IMHO players like McInnes, Sheerin and McManus should be dropped now (McInnes preferably from a bloody great height) - let's see who else can show the fight for the jersey that seems to have deserted them. Scotland can piss off now - he's doing bugger all in the side and at least Savo is showing a bit more fight.

As for Hardie - how can someone who played so well in recent games be so pish again. He hardly won a header all night.

Owen has stuck with too many of the side for too long. We know it was a tough fixture list but he's not exactly wowed us with his wonderful use of the squad now has he? Even allowing for the mysterious virus, for guys like McInnes to get a guaranteed starting jersey is a bloody disgrace.

But then disgrace summed up a lot of what we saw from the blue shirts tonight. :x

[Carse of Gowrie Saint]

Cuthbert did make a number of excellent saves but I thought he was found wanting for both goals. He is used to Kevin James doing his job for him and does not come off his line when required.

For the second goal it looked like he was hoping the ref would give a foul rather than deal with the situation.

He is an excellent shot stopper but he needs to be more of a presence in the box.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Am so angry tonight!
That was so poor, there are no words to desscribe it, only Kev and Savo come out with pass marks, everyone else was shocking!

Coyle, we needed two goals to save the title and he took off Peaso and Scotland :shock: unbelivable
Mildfield was non existant tonight, no passion what so ever!

P.s I didnt even realise Ando was send off for like 15mins, why was he sent off?

Very Poor

[Broon]

Cuthbert did make a number of excellent saves but I thought he was found wanting for both goals. He is used to Kevin James doing his job for him and does not come off his line when required.

For the second goal it looked like he was hoping the ref would give a foul rather than deal with the situation.

He is an excellent shot stopper but he needs to be more of a presence in the box.

He was fouled for the second one and the first was into a ruck of about 5 players.

[Rodgers]

The Ref was ****in shocking!!!!!!!
but we were just as bad :(

[Scobby_SJFC]

How that 2nd goal stood was a joke, but so was the whole night cant complain about the result!

[templeofsaints]

P.s I didnt even realise Ando was send off for like 15mins, why was he sent off?

High feet on Young apparently. I'm not too bothered about the red card although both bookings were harsh but again there was no consistency - look at Morrow's challenge on Morais in the first half. A clear foul from behind and yet he's only warned while ando gets a booking for his first foul?

[HertsSaintee]

we needed two goals to save the title and he took off Peaso and Scotland

I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. Both of them were shocking, and I thought Lilley and especially Savo showed the balls the rest of the team should have had from the off, when they came on.

Herts

[Scobby_SJFC]

we needed two goals to save the title and he took off Peaso and Scotland

I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. Both of them were shocking, and I thought Lilley and especially Savo showed the balls the rest of the team should have had from the off, when they came on.

Herts

But why not go for it, with 3 or 4 strikers?

What the hell had we to lose?

[Shaggy Jenkins]

What a joke I am beyond angry at that tonight. As my mother has said to me on many occasions 'I am not angry at you son, just bitterly dissapointed in you'....and I can tel you when she says that I know I hav let everyone down and it hurts bad, Saints for all your 'glory' this year you have let us down so badly

At the start of the year I thought promotion would not be achieved due to the Gretna factor. But quite frankly the Gretna factor was greatly exadurated the only reason we have not romped this league is due to our own innabillities!

Where do we go now?

Yes always next year but buy and large it is an ageing squad, clearly not good enough getting older I fear for our chances.

Do we give OC the chance to rebuild in the summer? My head says yes he should have the 3 years to 'finish' the building job. However my heart seriously questions his abillity to bring in the youthfull abition and drive that is clearly needed, I fear it will be more jobs for the ageing and journyman mates. Keep him on and his aging team could be out of it by christmas again.

Hard one to call GB and quite frankly right now I dont care, you could build a park and ride on McD and I would be pushed to give a toss

[Nick]

Words can't describe my anger and disapointment.


Iv wasted £60 in the past week on the two away games for the team to show bugger all commitment, no fight, and look as if they couldnt care less if they won the league or not! Im still at school £60 is a hell of alot of money for me.

Cat saved us. McManus was again pish, and should piss off. Spends more time arguing back with the fans than working on the pitch. Mensing is wasted at right back. Why on earth does Coyle drop Lawrie who hasnt put a foot wrong recently just to let McInnes in - who is a waste of bloody Perth air!!

He is more than 10 yards off the pace, his tackling and workrate is nothing compared to Mensings, and offers no aerial threat in the centre at all. Sheerin has played piss poor for weeks now, but continues to get his start week in week out.

Coyle AGAIN has no clue with substitutions - We are losing 1-0 in a game we have to win if we want to win the league - the best idea would be to go three up - but Coyle obviously thinks thats to attacking so takes off Jason(who always has the ability to offer something from nothing) and peaso.

Savo was MoM despite only getting 35mins tops.

I am past starting to get pissed off with Coyle - He's had two years now, and he is still making the stupid mistakes he was making when he first started.

If it wasnt for the cup - it would be Coyle get tae fuk from me! We aren't moving forward. Dundee, QOS will deffinetly be above us next year!

Keep the Faith? - Too late, the faiths down the pan!!

[SaintSam1884]

If we don't see a radical overhaul of this team in the summer, which means certain players out of the door to be replaced by younger, faster and fitter players then Owen Coyle will have shown he does not have what it takes to move this club any further forward. I almost feel like the man lies to us, he tells us what we want to hear in the press, then does not show us what we want to see on the field.

I refuse to watch this team:

Cuthbert

Lawrie McManus James Stanic

Hardie Mensing McInnes Sheerin

Scotland MacDonald

For another season. He changes it, or he surely has to go? I have been a staunch supporter of Coyle since day one, but I feel cheated coming away from that match tonight. Fair enough, he had injury worries, but ultimately the problems have been here all season. Our away form is relegation material. Individually, each player has their own qualities, but as a unit they are far too slow and generally can't keep up with the pace of this division anymore.

[Broon]

I almost feel like the man lies to us, he tells us what we want to hear in the press, then does not show us what we want to see on the field.

Great point. If he isn't worried about the character of some of his players then were screwed. I want to hear that a few of these guys will be getting a boot in the balls and will be dropped.

[Rodgers]

McInnes was a bit like the old barry ferguson, when i mean old, i mean like last season when he was to scared to go forward but now hes a goal machine :***:
McInnes has a brillant range of passing but lacks the desire to go forward and that is something we need!

[SaintSam1884]

I almost feel like the man lies to us, he tells us what we want to hear in the press, then does not show us what we want to see on the field.

Great point. If he isn't worried about the character of some of his players then were screwed. I want to hear that a few of these guys will be getting a boot in the balls and will be dropped.

I think we have all come to accept that Coyle plays his mates, and stays true to them. Rutkiewicz, and Anderson will be wasted on our bench next season whilst McManus and James play.

[SaintSam1884]

McInnes was a bit like the old barry ferguson, when i mean old, i mean like last season when he was to scared to go forward but now hes a goal machine :***:
McInnes has a brillant range of passing but lacks the desire to go forward and that is something we need!

You are clearly seeing something nobody else is. Except Mainstand, he might back you up when he gets on tomorrow!

[Shaggy Jenkins]

If we don't see a radical overhaul of this team in the summer, which means certain players out of the door to be replaced by younger, faster and fitter players then Owen Coyle will have shown he does not have what it takes to move this club any further forward. I almost feel like the man lies to us, he tells us what we want to hear in the press, then does not show us what we want to see on the field.

I refuse to watch this team:

Cuthbert

Lawrie McManus James Stanic

Hardie Mensing McInnes Sheerin

Scotland MacDonald

For another season. He changes it, or he surely has to go? I have been a staunch supporter of Coyle since day one, but I feel cheated coming away from that match tonight. Fair enough, he had injury worries, but ultimately the problems have been here all season. Our away form is relegation material. Individually, each player has their own qualities, but as a unit they are far too slow and generally can't keep up with the pace of this division anymore.

Again spot on Sam!

I also do not want to watch that team, well to be more accurate to 'brand' of football they play barring the odd game in the cup. We are turning into the Airdrie of the 90s, long ball, timewasting, niggaly oh I cant describe it any better than the type of thing we hated that airdrie team for.........oh and they were a bunch of bottle mearchents too

[Shaggy Jenkins]

McInnes was a bit like the old barry ferguson, when i mean old, i mean like last season when he was to scared to go forward but now hes a goal machine :***:
McInnes has a brillant range of passing but lacks the desire to go forward and that is something we need!

You are clearly seeing something nobody else is. Except Mainstand, he might back you up when he gets on tomorrow!

Seriously Rodgers your blind faith s commendable but take these off please http://blogs.webmd.com/eye-on-vision/uploaded_images/Bluespecs-734869.jpg

[templeofsaints]

McInnes was a bit like the old barry ferguson, when i mean old, i mean like last season when he was to scared to go forward but now hes a goal machine :***:
McInnes has a brillant range of passing but lacks the desire to go forward and that is something we need!

He lacks the desire to do bloody well anything other than play a square ball to a marked player or else whinge at the ref - oh aye and the odd nasty challenge like we saw at Ross Co. At his stage in his career, McInnes is just looking for a payday and a stepping stone to a coaching career (hopefully not at Saints) - I don't think he's got the hunger that say Mensing or even Hardie has. He's no more than a journeyman but also one that is past being able to change or adapt. He is currently the biggest waste of space in the side and it's all the more galling that the likes of Lawrie or some of the kids aren't getting a chance because of this.

[Nick]

McInnes was a bit like the old barry ferguson, when i mean old, i mean like last season when he was to scared to go forward but now hes a goal machine :***:
McInnes has a brillant range of passing but lacks the desire to go forward and that is something we need!

He lacks the desire to do bloody well anything other than play a square ball to a marked player or else whinge at the ref - oh aye and the odd nasty challenge like we saw at Ross Co. At his stage in his career, McInnes is just looking for a payday and a stepping stone to a coaching career (hopefully not at Saints) - I don't think he's got the hunger that say Mensing or even Hardie has. He's no more than a journeyman but also one that is past being able to change or adapt. He is currently the biggest waste of space in the side and it's all the more galling that the likes of Lawrie or some of the kids aren't getting a chance because of this.

He is also useless at set pieces, with his lofted ball into the edge of the box, impossible for the players to attack.

You would think having Kevin James, would mean we actualklyuse him to our advantage with fast inswingballs to attack but no, just loft the ball in so james can try and attack it from a standing position. Maybe thats Coyles fualt for not concentrating on it at training more than McInnes's, but it has been pissing me off for months now.

[Euanwilkie]

we can still win two cups tho can we not?

[inex]

Great report on your site TOS.

Bit of a surprise this result, but not the season for me. Not being smart ass at all, but if you take the Saints blinkers off, this season is over, has been for a while, and next season will be more difficult.

Stanic will be older. The goalkeeping will still be suss. There will still be too many old players at the club.

I think the way forward is young players. You need potential or current under 21 players to go forward for a club like Saints. Im in no doubt about that. Whether they can attract them, another story.

Constantly getting over 30 year olds is bad because:

a) they have lost pace.
b) they can see the end of their career coming up.
c) they havent got long to go anyway
d) they are not as enthusiastic as a youngster
e) they had their chances already

Anyway, season over. Celtic is looking scary, but still a hope. Couple of quick goals then defend with 11 men for 85 minutes.

[Saintkev]

Yesterday was very poor, but I think some of the reactions are over the top and perhaps a tad knee-jerk... I'm starting to see Radfords point about how over the top we as fans can be, if we beat Celtic, we'll all be on here claiming we're world beaters!!!

McManus for example is playing very poorly, but i don't think it can be put down to lack of effort... it's not his fault he is picked week in week out...

But the thing Coyle defo has to address is his loyalty to mates... Lawrie was hsi main man at teh start of teh season when he was honking... now he's playing well, he get's dropped to allow a midfielder to play at right back so that McInnes can play... that's not right at all.

I know Rodger's Keep The Faith is getting wearing, however, we do say through sh*te and muck! Fans have got to keep some faith... faith that we can win games and that together we'll turn this round... very probably not this season... but how many other clubs in Scotland have had any highlights this year... very few!

[HertsSaintee]

Over the top? Probably. Knee jerk? Definitely not.

Poor performances by this Saints side have been happening all season, and I think most posters on here reflect correctly on what they see. Last night was the latest in the fairly long line of what we've had to endure this season. The reactions have been getting stronger with every poor performance, and this latest one simply reflects the fact that everyone knew Saints had to win, but blew it. Again. Perhaps there's also frustration for a lot of posters on here, because of the predictable way things happen at the club these days, that the script for last night could have been prewritten. Same goes for the last away game at Queens. Several regular posters, perhaps even yourself Kev, predicted dropped points in these games - surely we should have confidence in a side who were still fighting for the title? No, we weren't, and for good reason.

I don't honestly believe that anyone on here thinks that Saints will be world beaters if we win the semi. The cup runs have been great, but I think most fans do see that there's something fundamentally wrong with the way Saints are playing, are being run, or are being managed just now. As to what to do about it - well that's Coyle's job isn't it? But what's he doing about it? Well, that's a question for another thread isn't it? Hang on, haven't there have been several about that already?

Herts

[Saintkev]

Over the top? Probably. Knee jerk? Definitely not.

Comments like folk should never ever play again, are very much knee-jerk... I'll use McManus again... he's not played well of late, is carrying an injury, but is still trying, just failing... if he was to have a break, a good pre-season and played like he did at teh start of teh season... we'd all be very happy with that.

[Broon]

SaintKev, I see your point. However, this team have shown how good they can be in the cups on a regular basis against better teams. The fans know they are capable of much better than last night (and the last 10 away games) and rightly feel short changed. Had we not had the cup run and it was replaced with only an average away form we would be champions and nobody would be on Coyles back. Our away form is a disgrace and many Saints fans pay good money to travel to these games, yourself included. I was gutted last night that I went all the way to Glasgow, spending my hard earned cash to watch the team give about 10% and even at that a certain player had the audacity to give the fans abuse for the second time. I won't be at another away game this season - the players don't deserve the support and I can't justify the cost anymore.

[Saintkev]

SaintKev, I see your point. However, this team have shown how good they can be in the cups on a regular basis against better teams. The fans know they are capable of much better than last night (and the last 10 away games) and rightly feel short changed. Had we not had the cup run and it was replaced with only an average away form we would be champions and nobody would be on Coyles back. Our away form is a disgrace and many Saints fans pay good money to travel to these games, yourself included. I was gutted last night that I went all the way to Glasgow, spending my hard earned cash to watch the team give about 10% and even at that a certain player had the audacity to give the fans abuse for the second time. I won't be at another away game this season - the players don't deserve the support and I can't justify the cost anymore.

Broon I see your point... you have to weigh up the costs compared to what you are getting in return... I've no problem with folk not going to games when they feel short-changed... I just think that we say through thick and thin... this is a thin bit... we should not turn our backs on the club just because they are playing badly... no?

And I am not in disagreement at what you say about teh season either... all I am saying is that I'm still glad to have had these cup runs... we've won teh league and played in teh top-flight... we will again at some point... we may never win a national cup... we have given ourselves as much chance as any other Saints team ever has... with a fraction of the resources many of teh teams we have knocked out have used... I just don't think it's all doom and gloom. I know we could have done better, but I bet there are very few fans that think their team is punching above it's weight!

[wee john]

Not for the first time Coyle made some shocking decisions last night.

To change the front 2 and bring on 2 unfit players, never played together for any amount of time was crazy.
He should have left Scotland on and brought on Milne, one change at a time. :oops:
Not to take Ando off was suicide. :oops:
Mensing at right back, bad management. :oops:

IMHO.

[Broon]

Broon I see your point... you have to weigh up the costs compared to what you are getting in return... I've no problem with folk not going to games when they feel short-changed... I just think that we say through thick and thin... this is a thin bit... we should not turn our backs on the club just because they are playing badly... no?

And I am not in disagreement at what you say about the season either... all I am saying is that I'm still glad to have had these cup runs... we've won the league and played in the top-flight... we will again at some point... we may never win a national cup... we have given ourselves as much chance as any other Saints team ever has... with a fraction of the resources many of the teams we have knocked out have used... I just don't think it's all doom and gloom. I know we could have done better, but I bet there are very few fans that think their team is punching above it's weight!

I've been to many away games this year and said "next time it will be better" and "Next time we will get that win". I've stuck by them in the thin but the league is gone now and I'm not going to waste any more money on away games to watch that sort of performance. Home games and cup games for me for the rest of the season and I don't feel guilty about it. I commend anyone who turns up on Saturday though.

Oh, and I agree - I would take a cup win over promotion. However, I would take a league win over a semi-final exit to Celtic. Its a fine balance wether this cup run will be worth sacraficing the league for but as you say, we have had some great moments and highs in the cup this season. More than many other clubs have had.

[HertsSaintee]

Its a fine balance wether this cup run will be worth sacraficing the league for but as you say, we have had some great moments and highs in the cup this season. More than many other clubs have had.

Presumably also the money Saints will have got out of the 2 cup runs will finance full time football for at least next season?

Herts

[SaintSam1884]

Saints away form is so bad, words can't describe how bad it is. :***:

[HertsSaintee]

Saints away form is so bad, words can't describe how bad it is.

Oh I don't know, some folk have described it quite eloquently reading some of the posts made since last night... :***:

Herts

[Radford 72]

Its a fine balance wether this cup run will be worth sacraficing the league for but as you say, we have had some great moments and highs in the cup this season.
I think the runs in the cups can be directly attributed to our failure in the league. That was our 41st game of the season last night, when most clubs in the league have played around 10 games less than that. With Ruti out for the season, we are working with a very small squad and, personally speaking, I have more resentment towards the SFL than Saints over the disappointment of the past few weeks.

This game should never have been postponed at Xmas and we have to play it last night without McLaren or Jackson because they have a virus. Willie especially could have offered us something different. Add to that they refused to let ourselves and Queens reschedule the game last Tuesday and we've ended up with 5 games in 13 days. Is it any wonder the players look jaded. Coyle said he was going to change things about but what options has he really had? IMO, there were 6 players starting that game last night who weren't 100% but we don't have six replacements.

Everyone criticising, I ask you to suggest what Coyle could have done differently last night? The players weren't not trying, they are just running on empty.

[Nick]

Everyone criticising, I ask you to suggest what Coyle could have done differently last night? The players weren't not trying, they are just running on empty.

If he used his full squad through-out the season players wouldnt be running on empty. Instead his pals get games even when they are clearly injured/unfit/unwell.

[Radford 72]

If he used his full squad through-out the season players wouldnt be running on empty. Instead his pals get games even when they are clearly injured/unfit/unwell.
How could he forsee the cup runs and having 5 games in 13 days? Earlier in the season, he used the full squad when we had Saturday/Tuesday games. That's using hindsight in any case, what could he have done differently last night?

[Broon]

Everyone criticising, I ask you to suggest what Coyle could have done differently last night? The players weren't not trying, they are just running on empty.

In principle I agree. However, they are professional footballers who should be fit enough to handle this. If I was Coyle what would I have done differently? Well firstly I would never have signed Derek McInnes. But if I had, I would have Lawrie at right back, Mensing in the middle and McInnes as a steward somewhere.

In addition to that, I would not have subbed Peaso and perhaps tried to go 3 up front. I would also probably subbed Ando for Dyer as the ref had it in for him. It might have also made sense to put Hardie on Keogh for all set pieces instead of letting McManus try and, well, stand next to him.

[templeofsaints]

If he used his full squad through-out the season players wouldnt be running on empty. Instead his pals get games even when they are clearly injured/unfit/unwell.
How could he forsee the cup runs and having 5 games in 13 days? Earlier in the season, he used the full squad when we had Saturday/Tuesday games. That's using hindsight in any case, what could he have done differently last night?

Too many players in that side get a guaranteed start even if they're not fit. McInnes hadn't trained Thu/Fri so still starts on Sat against Thistle while Lawrie is on the bench and the Mensing/Hardie midfield (which worked so well at Fir Park) is split up once more.

Scotland doesn't look fit and after a good run out on Saturday Savo looked a lot sharper last night when he came on (I'd start him at Airdrie but no doubt the rest will give 100% since there's sod all to play for now).

McManus hasn't been fit recently but Ando hasn't been given a start - similarly Sheerin looks done in but is still starting. These are the sort of players who need a rest when we're playing 5 games in 13 days. Owen failed to do that and last night we suffered the consequences.

[Radford 72]

In principle I agree. However, they are professional footballers who should be fit enough to handle this.
I'm not disagreeing with a lot of what you and ToS have said, that's your opinion on individual players in a lot of cases or tactics and you are obviously entitled to that but I don't think the players should be expected to be fit enough to play 5 games in 13 days. That's an incredible workload for guys that are footballers not athletes.

For all we were poor last night, there was no one out there hiding. Sheerin was all over the pitch, he probably covered more ground than any other player out there.

Jason Scotland is carrying an injury but is still prepared to go out there an will. With the chance of him leaving in the summer, it'd be easy for him to say he wasn't fit enough to play and not risk picking up a serious injury.

OC's problem here is he's too diplomatic. He needs to come out and be honest about our failings, which he's not doing.

[templeofsaints]

In principle I agree. However, they are professional footballers who should be fit enough to handle this.
For all we were poor last night, there was no one out there hiding. Sheerin was all over the pitch, he probably covered more ground than any other player out there.
I won't disagree with that but at the same time Sheerin should not have to cover the pitch. How many times did he move into the centre of midfield to cover for a missing McInnes/Hardie. And for at least one of Morais crosses he headed it on at the near post when time and time again we needed someone at the back post to play the ball back in.

Jason Scotland is carrying an injury but is still prepared to go out there an will. With the chance of him leaving in the summer, it'd be easy for him to say he wasn't fit enough to play and not risk picking up a serious injury.

OC's problem here is he's too diplomatic. He needs to come out and be honest about our failings, which he's not doing.

I agree but that's why we need the players to be a bit more honest. If Jason is carrying an injury, it's no excuse - he should be rested or else tell the manager he shouldn't be playing, either way it's OC's fault. Jason did little running last night and I don't think he turned his man once - it shows how ineffective he was when even Partick didn't feel the need to double-mark him.

[Kevin]

Jason Scotland is carrying an injury but is still prepared to go out there an will. With the chance of him leaving in the summer, it'd be easy for him to say he wasn't fit enough to play and not risk picking up a serious injury.

I spoke to Jason the other week about his injury and it is basically muscle related as he has not had the chance to rest since he signed last year. If you think, he played out the second half of last season with us plus the World Cup (albeit not starting) then straight back into the league and cup campaign and the jaunts to other international matches. No wonder his legs are not performing the way he would like them to!

[Radford 72]

I won't disagree with that but at the same time Sheerin should not have to cover the pitch. How many times did he move into the centre of midfield to cover for a missing McInnes/Hardie. And for at least one of Morais crosses he headed it on at the near post when time and time again we needed someone at the back post to play the ball back in.
The midfield was a shambles. McInnes was sitting deeper than he usually does and Hardie - not sure if it was under instruction - kept drifting to the right to challenge their left back in the air. That meant whenever we lost the ball there was no one in the centre of the park. Same for if Peaso or Jason had their back to goal, there was no one in support.

I agree but that's why we need the players to be a bit more honest. If Jason is carrying an injury, it's no excuse - he should be rested or else tell the manager he shouldn't be playing, either way it's OC's fault. Jason did little running last night and I don't think he turned his man once - it shows how ineffective he was when even Partick didn't feel the need to double-mark him.
I agree it's OC's fault. Jason is good but not that good that he can play at 60%. Jason should be slaughtering someone like Keogh.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

[quote=Nick]If he used his full squad through-out the season players wouldnt be running on empty. Instead his pals get games even when they are clearly injured/unfit/unwell.
Mensing/Hardie midfield (which worked so well at Fir Park) is split up once more.
.

while not being Mensings biggest fan that for me has been one of the biggest disappointments in recent weeks with OC. That midfield, with Morais in for Mclaren should have been the starting midfield from now until the end of the season when all fit and available, no question and no argument against it they were superb and it looked balanced and worked well. But OC cannot or will no see this and not for the first time either, that is a big big worry

There is also merit in Radfords argument about too many games, but I don’t think it should of affected us to the extent it has. Latterly these 2 weeks maybe but the league was lost way back when. However we still had options with Dyre, Jackson to come in for one ore 2 games against queens and thistle, who after all are the ‘lesser’ teams in the division these guys should be up to it if not why are they still here or why were they refused to go out on loan…..ah there in lies another topic

[Hazel1884]

I've not read this thread past page 4 but i can't help but feel i have mug stamped across my head for going last night.

Saints were lethargic, second to every ball and outfought and "outpassioned" (it's a new word ok!!) by a far hungrier Partick Thistle side. I hope any player who went out last night choked on their vodka.

The defence was all over the place, and not because Mr Capitano James was out, it was because they had no communitcation what so ever - the team had no communication from the goalkeeper to the defence, right the way through to the front players.

A lot of over reactions, and whilst i am extremely pissed at that totally inept performance they have 4 (?) game sto prove they are worth a starting jersey against Celtic and Coyle has the rest of the season to assess who is worth attempting to keep for next year.

Without wanting to critcise too much i am fed up watching Peaso on his arse. He will never score goals if he continues to spend as much time on his butt as he has been the past few games - he's getting himself a reputation and i see more of the type of player Coyle was as each game passes. I thought he had turned it round for a while but hey, what does the rest of the season mean? Giving young boys experience, and the old boys the rest they've been looking for!!

How many of us are going to travel to the rearranged trip to Broadwood on a cold Tuesday night to watch a meaningless end of season game? Lucky us eh!

[Saintkev]

[quote="Hazel1884"] The defence was all over the place, and not because Mr Capitano James was out, it was because they had no communitcation what so ever - the team had no communication from the goalkeeper to the defence, right the way through to the front players.[quote]

I think James being out was a massive blow... caused chaos at the back... no-one can deny we were a shambles and all over the place... the sad thing is, is that we shouldn't have to rely on somebody who is on the unlucky side for injuries.

Attackingwise as well... they just stuck a crowd on Hardie and we were goosed... missed big Kev a lot!

[Radford 72]

On the communication issue, and as good as Kev was, their first came from the corner when Ando turned the ball behind under no pressure at all, all because no one gave him a shout.

[McCallum]

The defence was all over the place, and not because Mr Capitano James was out, it was because they had no communitcation what so ever - the team had no communication from the goalkeeper to the defence, right the way through to the front players.


I think the fact that James was out is pretty much exactly the reason why the defence was all over the place. It is Kevin James himself who encourages communication throughout the team. The other players then follow suit. He constantly reassures his team mates and gives them a kick up the arse if needed - it keeps the players on their feet. The players were uneasy from the start last night and I'm pretty sure thats been the case alot of the other times the captains been out. Rangers is an exception I suppose.

I didn't have to travel far last night but I felt pretty bad for folk travelling from Perth and even further afield on a Tuesday night. The performance was unnacceptable.

[Carse of Gowrie Saint]

[quote=Broon]Everyone criticising, I ask you to suggest what Coyle could have done differently last night? The players weren't not trying, they are just running on empty.

I would have started with Lawrie and pushed Mensing into midfield in place of McInness.

Ten minutes into the second half I would taken off Anderson and Scotland replacing them with Lilley and Milne. That would have allowed us to go 3-4-3 for the last 30/35 mins.

[imported_Jamie_Beatson]

Just watched the highlights on the Thistle website - can anyone please explain to me how the second goal is allowed to stand. Watch the player on the line clearly backing in to Cuthbert. Outrageous.

[Broon]

Just watched the highlights on the Thistle website - can anyone please explain to me how the second goal is allowed to stand. Watch the player on the line clearly backing in to Cuthbert. Outrageous.

Shocking really but the ref was giving us nothing all night - silly wee arse.

[Hazel1884]

I think sometimes though James is too vocal though and goes round shouting a little 'too' much and uses this to not take the blame for some of his own mistakes!

but maybe that's just me!

[templeofsaints]

Just watched the highlights on the Thistle website - can anyone please explain to me how the second goal is allowed to stand. Watch the player on the line clearly backing in to Cuthbert. Outrageous.

Always wondered what the Fissel commentator would sound like if he had something to cheer about :)

[stu]

The MORROW of this game...a thistle win.

This is the worst pun ever in the history of the world.

[Real Madrid]

I think sometimes though James is too vocal though and goes round shouting a little 'too' much and uses this to not take the blame for some of his own mistakes!

but maybe that's just me!

That may be the case but the team without James looks a mess. I was not a James fan but he makes such a difference to the team

I think the runs in the cups can be directly attributed to our failure in the league. That was our 41st game of the season last night, when most clubs in the league have played around 10 games less than that

Fully agree. I remember thinking after the Rangers game that this would spur us on for the 10 weeks until the semi final when in fact our form went down hill until the Hibs game. The pick up after that game CIS semi final and the Falkirk game has again been lost in the league.

last night was so dissapointing and I dont expect much of a support to go to Airdrie on Saturday. Our midfield were not on show again and it was obvious from the start we were on the back foot.

O well there is always next season :cry:

[Hazel1884]

That may be the case but the team without James looks a mess. I was not a James fan but he makes such a difference to the team

i agree with that sentimentally but we can do it without him - i think McManus has been fantastic up until the turn of the year - he was talking Anderson through his game and there was a great level of communication!

O well there is always next season :cry:

Thing is though, that's what we've been saying for years......if it wasn't for the cup money this season could we have afforded to finance this team and it's wage structure through next season down here? A lot of money has pulled together in this squad and it's not always gonna be around to throw at (and fail!) to win the division every season.

[Real Madrid]

[quote=Real Madrid]O well there is always next season :cry:

Thing is though, that's what we've been saying for years......if it wasn't for the cup money this season could we have afforded to finance this team and it's wage structure through next season down here? A lot of money has pulled together in this squad and it's not always gonna be around to throw at (and fail!) to win the division every season.

I agree , the cup runs may have saved us from going part time next season

I only said it as I logged on to this tonight and everyone is so down. Mind you after last night I know why

[Cagey]

Have to feel sorry for the supporters that traveled to County,QoS & Partick. These guys have taken time off work & spent a lot of money but have been badly let down & short changed by Saints.

The point is it has been coming for a while. A few of us on here have been asking for Coyle to shuffle the pack a bit & play guys like Dyer,Jackson & Anderson when it was obvious playing 30 somethings & injured players week in week out was going to catch up with us.

Radford says Coyle has no option as he has a smale squad but who`s fault is that. Who let Sheridan,Dobie & others go & did not bring in enough players to replace them. McInness gives you the first 20 mins in the first half then disappears & he brought in Morius & never played him untill the last 2 games.

Coyles subs also pussle me. The paper said last night that Goran moved to C B when Ando went off Sheerin moved to left back. Had all the subs been made by that time ?. Why didn`t he bring on Lawrie & put Mensing at centre back or if he had to put Goran in the centre why didn`t he bring on Dyer at left back or even put him at centre back. Before anyone says you can`t bring on a sub to replace a sending off I would have hooked Sheerin.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Have to feel sorry for the supporters that traveled to County,QoS & Partick. These guys have taken time off work & spent a lot of money but have been badly let down & short changed by Saints.

The point is it has been coming for a while. A few of us on here have been asking for Coyle to shuffle the pack a bit & play guys like Dyer,Jackson & Anderson when it was obvious playing 30 somethings & injured players week in week out was going to catch up with us.

Radford says Coyle has no option as he has a smale squad but who`s fault is that. Who let Sheridan,Dobie & others go & did not bring in enough players to replace them. McInness gives you the first 20 mins in the first half then disappears & he brought in Morius & never played him untill the last 2 games.

Coyles subs also pussle me. The paper said last night that Goran moved to C B when Ando went off Sheerin moved to left back. Had all the subs been made by that time ?. Why didn`t he bring on Lawrie & put Mensing at centre back or if he had to put Goran in the centre why didn`t he bring on Dyer at left back or even put him at centre back. Before anyone says you can`t bring on a sub to replace a sending off I would have hooked Sheerin.

To right, all I feel is that if I can make the efoort of travelling hours and spening over 70 pound then I want to see them give 100% and put up a fight, if they get beat giving 100% i accept that and applaude the players but after QOTS and PT they dont deserve any wages

Truely shocking

[saint in exile]

Just don`t understand it,how can we beat SPL sides away from home and not have the urgency and hunger to beat poor first division sides,it just doesn`t stack up.

[Saintkev]

I think sometimes though James is too vocal though and goes round shouting a little 'too' much and uses this to not take the blame for some of his own mistakes!

but maybe that's just me!

AS I keep having to say... he knows he's made a mistake, he's telling himself inside... he's trying to get teh best out of folk... we need that!

[Saint Paul]

I think sometimes though James is too vocal though and goes round shouting a little 'too' much and uses this to not take the blame for some of his own mistakes!

but maybe that's just me!

AS I keep having to say... he knows he's made a mistake, he's telling himself inside... he's trying to get the best out of folk... we need that!

I agree with Kev on this one. We need James as a motivator. The players seem to respect him, and when he shouts at them they do seem to respond, as opposed to someone like Cat, who actually has no effect on the players when he shouts at them.

[Radford 72]

Thing is though, that's what we've been saying for years......if it wasn't for the cup money this season could we have afforded to finance this team and it's wage structure through next season down here? A lot of money has pulled together in this squad and it's not always gonna be around to throw at (and fail!) to win the division every season.
This money thing is a myth from fans of other clubs. We make more money than any other club in the SFL and we don't carry a debt so of course we are going to have more to spend on players. It's simple jealousy on their part, with some seeming to think we should have to have the same budget restrictions as them, all because they lived outwith their means a few years ago.

This squad would be at the top of the league if it wasn't for the cups, I honestly believe that.

[Hazel1884]

This money thing is a myth from fans of other clubs. We make more money than any other club in the SFL and we don't carry a debt so of course we are going to have more to spend on players. It's simple jealousy on their part, with some seeming to think we should have to have the same budget restrictions as them, all because they lived outwith their means a few years ago.

This squad would be at the top of the league if it wasn't for the cups, I honestly believe that.

Yes our money situation is bigged up by other clubs (you get me, homie?!) but i've never seen the accounts but surely some of them are on a pretty penny - McInnes, Scotland, MacDonald, James, Hardie, Stanic, McManus and Milne will all be high earners. Especially if the rumours about McInnes wage is true! :shock:

I don't mean we'd have been part time next season, but could we afford to keep this squad on side and give them as good a deal as Hamilton and their sugar daddy could etc. That's what i was getting at.

Our squad isn't bad - if Coyle would trust the more youthful players a bit more and be willing to change things when they are not right and drop his usual first picks then i think we'd see a massive improvement. For weeks some have been "too comfortable".