Saints vs. Dundee 18/08/07

[MUZZ]

so, will we get our season on track with a win against our big enemies or will they come to town and put us in a bad mood?

surely gonna be a big crowd for this one and i just hope mcluskey starts the game for us.

i believe we'll win

[^sainteebrian^]

can't wait for this one. Can i just say, i want to see lots of chanting guys. lets push the saintees on for a win.

[The Kaiser]

Let`s get intae these smelly b*****ds.

[PrinceOfWhitfield]

Dundee will score and have a good defence so things don't look good for Saints at all.

[Steve Maskrey]

Its going to be a close game. If we can put the shackles on Davidson and shut down their midfield then who knows what can happen. Anderson will probably be in at right back, unless we sign somebody by then, to mark Swankie.

[soulfulsaint]

Dundee will score and have a good defence so things don't look good for Saints at all.

Most of you will be too young to remember the singer Frank Ifield, he had a hit back in 1962 when Dundee were in Europe. Neither has done much since. A home win.

[PrinceOfWhitfield]

Remember Roger Whittaker, he was in the charts when Saints were a decent team and in Europe. 1971.Today Dundee are superior.

[soulfulsaint]

Remember Roger Whittaker, he was in the charts when Saints were a decent team and in Europe. 1971.Today Dundee are superior.

Yes I do remember him. Steven Whittaker is his illigitimate son. How is your legitimacy working out did they find any certificates?

[emptyheed]

Yes I do remember him. Steven Whittaker is his illigitimate son. How is your legitimacy working out did they find any certificates?

lovin it

incedently how do u become a "prince" of whitfield?
10+ stabbings or STD passings on?

[PrinceOfWhitfield]

lovin it

incedently how do u become a "prince" of whitfield?
10+ stabbings or STD passings on?

Whitfield is a totally different place now from the dive it was in the 70s and 80s, we should twin it with Broughty Ferry. Convincing win for Dundee on Saturday.:)

[BlairSaint]

Whitfield is a totally different place now from the dive it was in the 70s and 80s,

Thanx for the honesty, at least sumone will now claim it is much worse.:D

[Crazymofo]

Whitfield is a totally different place now from the dive it was in the 70s and 80s, we should twin it with Broughty Ferry. Convincing win for Dundee on Saturday.:)

Dear Lord,

The narcotics in Dundee must be incredible to produce a hallucination like that.

Having lived in Dundee not all that long ago when i was at uni I can confirm that the above claim is, perhaps unsurprisingly, B*ll*cks.

[lampshade]

I hope dundee start the game as clear favourites with the bookies,as i will be having a few quid on the saints.anderson will be back with james in the centre that will do for me goran on the left and a new right back will be in place by then.and wee will beat the peeee munchers 2-1

[Invernessaint]

I have a feeling that Offiong will open his account for us against the Dee on Saturday - just a hunch!

[Radford 72]

I have a feeling that Offiong will open his account for us against the Dee on Saturday - just a hunch!
Fiver's in the post!

[Nairn Saint]

I have a feeling that Offiong will open his account for us against the Dee on Saturday - just a hunch!

I hope that's a good hunch, he was on the score sheet again on Saturday.

[The Real Saints]

Have started a match thread on the Dundee messageboard, but haven't got a very good reception from their fans.. I was trying to be polite at first!

http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/fmb.php?tno=194&fid=100&sty=2&act=1&mid=2132327435

[Saint.Justin]

can i just remind any dundee fans on this thread... this is the first time they have been above saints since they were relegated...

enjoy the moment while it lasts!

common you saints:)

[Chuck Norris]

can i just remind any dundee fans on this thread... this is the first time they have been above saints since they were relegated...
That's not quite true - bear in mind they sacked Homer Duffy while sitting top of the league.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :)

[Simon Quinlank]

That's not quite true - bear in mind they sacked Homer Duffy while sitting top of the league.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :)

Weren't we in the Premier at that time?

[The Real Saints]

I have now been banned from the Dundee messageboard for no reason whatsoever. I suspect that they felt intimidated because they coudn't think of any arguments against the points that I made.
Grr, I don't like Dundee.

[Simon Quinlank]

I have now been banned from the Dundee messageboard for no reason whatsoever. I suspect that they felt intimidated because they coudn't think of any arguments against the points that I made.
Grr, I don't like Dundee.

Wel let's just hope they don't all follow you over here and completely ruin the forum in the way that a small number have tried to do over the last few days or so.

[dan the saint]

I think it will be a 3-1 win and scumdee will end the game with 10 men.

[Nick]

Struggling to see anything other than a Dundee win unfortunetly! :(

[Crazymofo]

I have now been banned from the Dundee messageboard for no reason whatsoever. I suspect that they felt intimidated because they coudn't think of any arguments against the points that I made.
Grr, I don't like Dundee.

Eh, don't their fans get banned in mere nano seconds on this forum?

Granted, it has mostly been Dundonian Knuckledraggers on the wind up that have posted here but still, your plight and their retaliation was in the post from day one really.

Wait for the mass influx of the great unwashed onto these very boards...

[The Real Saints]

Eh, don't their fans get banned in mere nano seconds on this forum?

Granted, it has mostly been Dundonian Knuckledraggers on the wind up that have posted here but still, your plight and their retaliation was in the post from day one really.

Wait for the mass influx of the great unwashed onto these very boards...

Their fans only get banned if they are causing trouble on this forum, which is not what I had been doing on theirs.
I had only been on their forum for a day.
I was just a bit surprised with the reaction I got, considering I wasn't on the wind-up and just wanted to discuss the weekend's match with them. To be perfectly honest, I didn't really have much of a problem with Dundee beforehand. My mum was born there, and my uncle supports them. However, their attitude on that forum has actually made me dislike Dundee FC a fair bit more than I previously had.

[BlairSaint]

2-1 win for the Saintee's.:D

[Chansey]

I think we should infect the dressing room with a virus, so we can get the game called off, anyone willing to do so??? :rolleyes: :wink:

[^sainteebrian^]

all we need is at least 16 suasage rolls and a litre of rat poison

[pavel]

all we need is at least 16 suasage rolls and a litre of rat poison

Thats a good Saturday night to these Junky scummers.

I reckon the team will have no major changes. The players Coyle adores even when there playing crap will still play. The one 'Player' playing well will be on the bench.

Maybe its all a master plan. Start off crap and lure the scum into a false sense of "were going to walk this" and then we will turn it on on Saturday.

[Simon Quinlank]

I reckon the team will have no major changes. The players Coyle adores even when there playing crap will still play. The one 'Player' playing well will be on the bench.

I'm not sure that's fair. I don't think Coyle is playing favourites - I think it's more a case of there not being very many options at the moment. OC should have signed more players during the summer.

[saint_markperth]

Team

....................................Main.......... .....................

....Ando............James.......McManus........... .Stanic...

..Davie................Sheerin.......Hardie....... ..Mcluskey..

........................Peaso.........Jackson..... ..............

Subs: Cuthbert,Ruti,Moon,Daal, Stewart

[son of tbaysaint]

Team

....................................Main.......... .....................

....Ando............James.......McManus........... .Stanic...

..Davie................Sheerin.......Hardie....... ..Mcluskey..

........................Peaso.........Jackson..... ..............

Subs: Cuthbert,Ruti,Moon,Daal, Stewart

spot on but i cant see coyle dropping mcinnes though

p.s 2-1 the mighty saints

[Scott Mc]

Says on the official site that:

'Derek McInnes and Steven Anderson picked up knocks last night'
and that both are 'doubtful' for Saturday.

James is also out till they get the scan results.

I am now feeling slightly nervous! Do we have any youth players that we could start to fast track through? The injury situation is likely to get worse as the season wears on rather than better and we dont seem, (so far) to be having any luck with the target signings.
Perhaps its time we seriously considered resourcing from within and taking a risk with some youth prospects rather than clutching at straws in a volatile transfer market?

[Al C]

Team

....................................Main.......... .....................

....Ando............James.......McManus........... .Stanic...

..Davie................Sheerin.......Hardie....... ..Mcluskey..

........................Peaso.........Jackson..... ..............

Subs: Cuthbert,Ruti,Moon,Daal, Stewart

There is talk elsewhere of James not playing again, let alone being available for Saturday!! Sincerely hope he is playing though.

Can't see Coyle starting Jackson in this one and McInnes will also be playing.

[^sainteebrian^]

why does everyone go for the 442

Anderson(lawrie).......McManus.......Ruti........g oran(or ?)



Weatherston............Hardie...............McClus key



...............................Dall............... ..................



......................Peaso........Stewart(savo).. ........

[^sainteebrian^]

There is talk elsewhere of James not playing again, let alone being available for Saturday!! Sincerely hope he is playing though.

Can't see Coyle starting Jackson in this one and McInnes will also be playing.

mcinnes has a knock on his heel and might not be playing

[Al C]

why does everyone go for the 442

Anderson(lawrie).......McManus.......Ruti........g oran(or ?)



Weatherston............Hardie...............McKlus key



...............................Dall............... ..................



......................Peaso........Stewart(savo).. ........

Is Dall a new box to box midfielder that I have missed us signing? Has as much chance of happening as Daal playing there right enough.

[saint_markperth]

There is talk elsewhere of James not playing again, let alone being available for Saturday!!

He is ruled out for saturday anyway

[Radford 72]

Assuming the two doubtfuls make it, I still don't know which way to go. Lawrie will get ripped apart by Swankie, we saw last season he can't handle him. Ando did well against him in March but we have no options in the centre and I'm not convinced by Ruti and McManus as a pairing. We need a new signing by Saturday.

We need to boss the midfield so McInnes needs to play IMO and we have to hope he finds some form. Won't be popular but I don't see a role for McCluskey.

Daal probably just ahead of Stewart up front but not confident in either of them at the moment. Don't think it'll do Jacko any favours throwing him into this side at the moment.

Main

Irvine (Please!) - McManus - Ando - Stanic

Weatherston - Hardie - McInnes - Sheerin

MacDonald - Daal

Subs: Cuthbert, Dyer/Ruti, McCluskey, Stewart, Jackson.

[Nick]

IMO McCluskey has to start if we want any sort of offensive threat. No one else in the team has shown any sort of creativity apart from that boy.

I would like to see Moon playing ahead of McInnes also but as you say it may be to big a game. I'd drop either The Ghost, or Daal for McCluskey though.

[^sainteebrian^]

Is Dall a new box to box midfielder that I have missed us signing? Has as much chance of happening as Daal playing there right enough.

its not really in proportion dall is meant to be kind of right behind the front two

not really drifting defence attack, more attack

[Nick]

its not really in proportion dall is meant to be kind of right behind the front two

not really drifting defence attack, more attack

It's Daal, not Dall ;)

[Simon Quinlank]

It's Daal, not Dall ;)

Probably best not to start correcting the way folk spell our own players' names - we'll be here all night. I saw someone talking about "McKluskey" earlier on.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Main

Lawrie - McManus - Ando - Stanic

Weatherston - Hardie - Moon - McClusky

MacDonald - Daal


It could work, certainly from pre season and the last 3 games my prefered midfield

[MUZZ]

Main

Lawrie - McManus - Ando - Stanic

Weatherston - Hardie - Moon - McClusky

MacDonald - Daal


It could work, certainly from pre season and the last 3 games my prefered midfield

same for me unless we sign anyone before then

[templeofsaints]

Main

Lawrie - McManus - Ando - Stanic

Weatherston - Hardie - Moon - McClusky

MacDonald - Daal


It could work, certainly from pre season and the last 3 games my prefered midfield

I'd got with that with the exception that if Rusty is fit he takes over from Ando in the middle and Ando moves wide in place of Lawrie.

[MUZZ]

I'd got with that with the exception that if Rusty is fit he takes over from Ando in the middle and Ando moves wide in place of Lawrie.


again, a good option as swankie will kill lawrie on that side.

i am however losing great confidence going into this game to be fair.

[soulfulsaint]

Says on the official site that:

'Derek McInnes and Steven Anderson picked up knocks last night'
and that both are 'doubtful' for Saturday. James is also out till they get the scan results. I am now feeling slightly nervous!

Take a chill-pill Scotty boy. Unlike the Great Satan, Saints are unbeaten in competitive matches, and we are still in the Challenge Cup. My glass is three-quarters' full - home win.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Have a bad feeling about this one am afraid guys!

To win this its going to be a case of you score three we'll score four I feel. Defence is fragile to ay the least at the moment, so goals will have to come for the three point to remain at McD!

[^sainteebrian^]

OCs got his hands full for this one

[Radford 72]

Gonna set the cat among the pigeons here, why don't we revert back to 3-5-2 for Saturday to try and boss the midfield with an extra man, possibly even using McCluskey in the hole (3-4-1-2) so try and force them to have Robertson or McDonald drop into the holding area?

Either...

Main

Ruti - McManus - Ando

Lawrie - Hardie - McInnes - Sheerin - Stanic

Strikers

or...

Main

Ruti - McManus - Ando

Lawrie - Hardie - McInnes/Sheerin - Stanic

McCluskey

Strikers

Thoughts?

[SaintSam1884]

You could've at least acknowledged that this was my idea! Now, if Coyle reads this forum, thinks it's as good as we think it is and uses it, you'll get all the plaudits!

I'd go with the first option, lets just ram them with our best experienced players and see if they still have it. Weatherston, Jackson or Daal upfront alongside Peaso. I haven't felt this positive looking at a potential team line up all season. 4-4-2 just isn't working for us with the options we have available at the moment. Only problem might be Ruti and Ando's fitness.

[The Real Saints]

Radford, you could also have mentioned that the 3-4-1-2 was my idea! (albeit with one change to the line-up!) ;)

[BlairSaint]

Gonna set the cat among the pigeons here, why don't we revert back to 3-5-2 for Saturday to try and boss the midfield with an extra man, possibly even using McCluskey in the hole (3-4-1-2) so try and force them to have Robertson or McDonald drop into the holding area?

Either...

Main

Ruti - McManus - Ando

Lawrie - Hardie - McInnes - Sheerin - Stanic

Strikers

or...

Main

Ruti - McManus - Ando

Lawrie - Hardie - McInnes/Sheerin - Stanic

McCluskey

Strikers

Thoughts?
No, we did well with 4-4-2 last season so i think we should just try and make it work. Changing formation for a big game is a gamble in my opinion.

[Radford 72]

You could've at least acknowledged that this was my idea!
Radford, you could also have mentioned that the 3-4-1-2 was my idea!
I have no idea what you are talking about! :mrgreen:

[Cagey]

I'd got with that with the exception that if Rusty is fit he takes over from Ando in the middle and Ando moves wide in place of Lawrie.

Have to agree with that ToS but coyle will not change things for this game.

If he was going to play Moon he would have been on the bench at least last night.

This has to be the last chance for the old guard as for some of them it looks like a season too far & anyway most of them could not hack it in the SPL if we did get up .

[SaintSam1884]

I think a 3-5-2 of

Main

Rutkiewicz McManus Anderson

Lawrie Hardie McInnes Sheerin Stanic

Daal MacDonald

Looks far better than any 4-4-2 posted so far on this thread. The one Shaggy posted has a little ray of sunshine, but Coyle isn't going to drop McInnes so we'll have to accept that and try to accommodate him as best possible. No way is he going to drop his most experienced for this match.

[williamwonka]

agree with the 3-5-2. Have to attack. think with McCluskey and weatherston on alternate sides of the midfield would be class. Allowing a deep bi-quoella attack system with the offside trap being less of an obsticle!!! Its the only answer. worked for real madrid 4 seasons ago.

[templeofsaints]

The problem with a 3-man defence is that if Ando and/or Rusty aren't 100% fit it could put a lot of pressure on McManus as well as mean restricted mobility / speed, and with the likes of (s)Wankie against us I think we'd be punished.

[Finners]

Main

Ando---Ruti---McManus---Stanic

Weth'--Hardie--Sheerin--McClus'
------------Peaso-------------
-----------Stewart------------

Thats what I would go with ideally but im not sure if any players have knocks at the moment

[SaintSam1884]

agree with the 3-5-2. Have to attack. think with McCluskey and weatherston on alternate sides of the midfield would be class. Allowing a deep bi-quoella attack system with the offside trap being less of an obsticle!!! Its the only answer. worked for real madrid 4 seasons ago.

You can't play McCluskey and Weatherston in a 3-5-2 formation.

We'd get thrashed! :***:

[SaintSam1884]

It's interesting to see, after one game on left midfield, the number of people who think McCluskey is capable of a full game there. The boy can't even kick the ball with his left foot, going forward he had to use his right then cut in onto his right again. It's not a desirable option to start the game I don't feel. Alright for the last 10 minutes or so but 90 and he'd probably twist his ankle.

[^sainteebrian^]

how do you know that he cant kick with his left foot, yes he cuts in alot but doesnt mean he cant kick with his left.

[Radford 72]

how do you know that he cant kick with his left foot, yes he cuts in alot but doesnt mean he cant kick with his left.
You only need to watch him for five minutes to realise his left leg is for standing on.

[MUZZ]

as the song goes, through shite and much, we'll fight like ****'.'

i'm now buzzing.

bring it on

[SlickDT]

cannae wait for this!

[^sainteebrian^]

on their forum they say there bringing about 3000 but i very much doubt that

[chips for tea]

Really depends on how many take the half day off from the berry picking,or more so if they've made enough for the entrance fee

[SJFC1988,]

Main

Lawrie Anderson mcmanus stanic

mccluskey sheerin Hardie weatherson

daal mcdonald

Prediction 3-2 saints

[MUZZ]

on their forum they say there bringing about 3000 but i very much doubt that

if they do manage to fill their seats, the club are to open the ormand stand for the rest of the minks wanting in. hope it doesnt get to that. i'd hate that.

http://www.thedees.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18865

[BlairSaint]

if they do manage to fill their seats, the club are to open the ormand stand for the rest of the minks wanting in. hope it doesnt get to that. i'd hate that.

http://www.thedees.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18865

Oh no that cant happen :shock:

[Perth-Saint]

come on everyone lets get a cracking atmosphere for the game - everyone to the game;):)

[Broggy Man]

Im sorry but I have a bad feeling about this however I had two major bad feelings last season Rangers and the Arabs

[eddie malone]

Yeah but i think to many of us have that same bad feeling!!

I hope im f'in wrong!

[7-2]

Its got to be 0-0 as we have gone 3-3, 2-2, 1-1 so far!

[Chansey]

don't know why, as i know this game isn't going to make or break our season, but come 3pm i'm going to be a nervous wreck.....hope the boys turn the corner tomorrow. I'm going 3-1 saints.

[lethamsaintee]

Wee bit worried about the game to be honest, but could just maybe be the one that sets our campaign alight. Bloody hope so anyway.

As much as i would like to see Coyle dropping McInnes and Lawrie i doubt that will happen.

[^sainteebrian^]

Drop Hardie:o

[lethamsaintee]

Drop Hardie:o

was meant to say lawrie:oops:

[SlickDT]

With James out and Ruti very much doubtful, Lawrie has to play. We just have to SUPPORT him and hope he puts in a decent game.

I've got a funny feeling McInnes with do the business today, if he an't get up for a game like this then it's time to get rid!

Hopefully we can do the business, 1-0 us with daal scoring!

[St. Paddy]

to the tune of "go west"

GototheRollingStones if you hate dundee
GototheRollingStones if you hate dundee

I will already be standing up, so I thought that would be superfluous!

[St. Paddy]

Not going to make it today, hope I can be excused, I have not been looking forward to the game all week, but now I am thinking we may go out and give them FOUR. Mon the BLUES!!!

[SingaporeSaint]

Will we be out numbered at home today ? When was the last time we were out numbered in Perth ?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Time is getting on and I just want to say ; lets get right behind the team today and give them our unconditional support. Plenty noise and no booing even if it doesn,t turn out the way we want it to..If Lawrie plays lets give him plenty of positive shouts (I am one of his biggest detractors) and try to help him. Same goes for McKinnes and all the other guys. Lets show the Scumdee fans what getting behind your team and being great fans is all about.

I can do it ,you can do it, we can do it..........So lets do it

Come on you Saints

[Perth-Saint]

well if we are outnumbered then we will just have to out sing them:)

[slf]

Will we be out numbered at home today ? When was the last time we were out numbered in Perth ?


dont think we be outnumbered cos its pissing with rain again, and we all know our friends from doon the tay are averse tae water.bring some soap

they dont like it up em mon the saints

[BlairSaint]

Sadly cant make this one. Well p***ed off that i was wroking earlier. Anyway just phoned a mate sayin there still queing and its after 3pm. Sounds like a huge crowd. MON THE SAINTS.

[Moray Blue]

Afternoon exiles and stay at homes.

C'mon Saints lets get into them

[Moray Blue]

It's too quiet.......

[BlairSaint]

Damn Hit The post. Nearly An Own Goal.

[Moray Blue]

Sheerin yellow card - 36min

[Moray Blue]

0-0 ht

[BlairSaint]

John Stewart Yasssssssssssssssssssss

[Moray Blue]

YESSSSS - 1-0

John Stewart - 46min

[SJFC1988,]

woooooooohhaaaayyy

[SJFC1988,]

does anyone know the attendance?

[BlairSaint]

Not Yet, Sounds big though, heard overflow car park is open etc.

[SJFC1988,]

more money for saints then :P

[Moray Blue]

be surprised if its much more than 4500

[Moray Blue]

Hardie OFF

[BlairSaint]

Oh NO..down to ten men..Martin Hardie sent off

[SJFC1988,]

ffs mmmh

[Scobby_SJFC]

He's not mad mental for nothing

[Nairn Saint]

Come on the 10 men!

[son of tbaysaint]

jamie mccluskey is on might give dundee a fright

[Moray Blue]

Hopefully it was a good smacking he gave and no one of these Ronaldo 'headbuts'.

Please note I'm not condoning violence on the pitch, but if you're going to be sent off make sure it's for something worth being sent off for. :)

[BlairSaint]

1-1 F**k Off

[Moray Blue]

B@stards

[BlairSaint]

Freddie Daquin.

[Nairn Saint]

Make yourself a hero Andy Jackson!

[SingaporeSaint]

settle for 1-1 at this stage

[Nairn Saint]

Realist!

[BlairSaint]

Dundee ten men

[Moray Blue]

Zemlik OFF

[SingaporeSaint]

Your'e a minority anyway.


excuse me ? explain your reasoning ?

[Moray Blue]

ft 1-1

[BlairSaint]

Full Time 1-1

[SJFC1988,]

f***ing shyt

[Nairn Saint]

I've never been so gutted at being undefeated!

[Moray Blue]

Moral victory?

[BlairSaint]

Three Draws..6 points behind already.:mad:

[Nairn Saint]

Three Draws..6 points behind already.:mad:

4 points?

[BlairSaint]

4 points?

Hamilton

[Moray Blue]

Hamilton have 9 dont they?

[Scobby_SJFC]

Not bad at all, considering the injuries we have! would have taken it especially with 10 men!

[Nairn Saint]

Hamilton

It's academic! :***:

[SingaporeSaint]

Not bad at all, considering the injuries we have! would have taken it especially with 10 men!

OH ! join the minority

[eddie malone]

I dont know, but that feels like a defeat to me. I thought we were never in any danger of losing that match today before MH got sent off.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Considering Dundee are going to be right up there come the end of the season, a draw against them with a injury ridden squad and a 30 minute stint with 10 men is a good scoreline for me!

We have avoided defeat today, a win would have been nice, but some people need to get over themself!

[eddie malone]

I dont know, but that feels like a defeat to me. I thought we were never in any danger of losing that match today before MH got sent off.

A stupid sending off has cost us the match today!

As for Dundee nothing to show they are serious contenders for the league!

[Scobby_SJFC]

I dont know, but that feels like a defeat to me. I thought we were never in any danger of losing that match today before MH got sent off.

A stupid sending off has cost us the match today!

As for Dundee nothing to show they are serious contenders for the league!


Fair enough, wasnt at the game, but am not to unhappy!

Main thing is we didnt go further behind them

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I,ve just got back from the game and I think Saints were much improved today and if Hardie had,t got red carded I,m sure we,d have won the game.Still not brilliant but better . Defence looked tighter and all round I thought no one was really that bad although McDonald was pretty poor.Ref was really shite which didn,t help but all and all a good point with ten men.Didn,t see the Hardie incident but if he did elbow the guy Coyle should fine him heavily . Bring on the Clyde and three points ...Proud to be a Saintee.........

[SJC]

I wasn't impressed with Dundee at all after all the hype surrounding them, theres no chance they'll be up there towards the end.

A couple of signings is all it will take for us to win this, Rutki played well today and McManus was back to his usual self.

Hardie lost the plot again by elbowing their defender when there was no need to whatsoever, he had played crap up to that point anyway maybe he fancied a week off to recover from injury.

Stewart scored a peach despite missing a sitter, Peaso (who has been terrible so far) missed a sitter as well after their defender hit his own crossbar.

We should have won comfortably today so it's 2 points dropped, but in saying that drawing with 10 men has to be taken as a decent result.

[dan the saint]

I dont know, but that feels like a defeat to me. I thought we were never in any danger of losing that match today before MH got sent off.

same but i am not blaming mh

[SlickDT]

Have to say wasn't all that impressed today. We looked solid enough, but had no spark in the team

Pluses for me were Ruti (looked like he injured himself again) and McManus looked a good partnership. Ruti clear MOM for me just above Anderson.

Weatherston's defensive play was far better than I thought it would be, just would be good to see him take his man on, went passed him every time he did try to. If we had used the width more often then we would have caused them more problems!

Our centre midfield seemed to be all over the place, both McInnes and Hardie seemed to have no understanding with each other. Hardie went on a one man mission to put some big challenges in, but paid the price in the end with a silly moment of madness. Certain we would have got three points without the sending off!

[Steve Maskrey]

Anyone know what happened to Stanic? He was listed but then Lawrie appeared at left back with Dyer on the bench. Incidentally, I thought Lawrie was better on the left than he was on the right! Our problem was our midfield sat too far back too often and Stewart and Peaso didn't get much support. That said, Peaso had a bad game and quite often decided to go it alone rather than play the simple ball which we could've scored with.

Sheerin and McInnes were much improved in midfield. Sheerin played some great passes and put in a sublime cross for Stewart to score.

Overall, I felt we were unlucky to draw today, we deserved the win but I would've settled for a draw before the game started.

One annoying thing was a few idiots in the East Stand decided to boo at full time. WTF do these people expect to see from Saints??

[Nick]

The match was pretty even possession wise, but we created very little chances! Defence was alot more solid and I think Ruti is to thank for that. He seemed to be the one doing all the organizing and won a fair amount of headers against Zemlik. Alan Main saved us on a number of occasions from losing a goal. How some people can still complain about him is beyond me. His block from 2 yards out was nothing short of amazing! His kicking was decent, apart from the odd occasion when he was put under pressure form bad passbacks.

Lawrie put in a reasonable shift at left back surprisingly! I guess Stanic injured himself in the warm up? Weatherston had no impact whatsoever in the game. He seems to lack in confidence. Id like to see him up front.

Peaso was very poor for his standards. Stewart worked hard and missed a easy chance but took his goal well.

Team played better than past weeks, but theirs still improvements. The draw feels like a defeat.

We lost out on promotion last year because of to many draws. Already we have 3 out of 3.

Cumon Saints!

[williamwonka]

any idea why saints were in away kit? or do we technically not have one?

[The Real Saints]

We played slightly better than we have done in our previous matches, but it was still anything but pretty.
First half was a non-event, although we were close to taking the lead on two occasions.
Couldn't have had a much better start to the second half. Great cross by Sheerin, and an excellent finish by Stewart. It felt good to see a goal actually scored for us by a striker.
We were dominating from then on, and then Hardie was sent off for an alleged elbow, although I didn't see the incident. I thought we were holding on well. And then they scored. I wasn't too gutted, as I felt that they should have been awarded a penalty there for a clear handball in my opinion.
Good finish by Daquin. There were no real chances for either side before the finish, apart from Alan Main producing a brilliant save from a snapshot.
Before the game, I would have taken a draw, but given the circumstances, I feel a little aggrieved. Peaso was a liability today. So slow, and falling over at every opportunity.
Dundee were no great shakes, and I feel that with a couple more signings, we can push on and start climbing up the table. I feel a bit more positive about our chances today, despite another pretty poor performance overall. However, if they are to be our main challengers, I see nothing to fear.

[BlairSaint]

Official Attendance If Anyone Is Interested..Att: 6,079

[Perth-Saint]

does anyone know the attendance?

Not Yet, Sounds big though, heard overflow car park is open etc.

just over 6,000

[+Super Trooper+]

Thought Peaso was again, utter bollocks and would like to see oc leave him on the bench to shake him up a bit - he is too comfortable starting every week with no competition for a place.

[Watty]

Official Attendance If Anyone Is Interested..Att: 6,079

3500 saints fans if anyones interested, the rest were coagie scum, think the toilets are currently being cleaned out of needles, and the seats washed down, fu(king tinky bastards.

[Kevin]

any idea why saints were in away kit? or do we technically not have one?

I wondered the same thing, especially with the ref in dark, who put off Peaso a couple of times....

[williamwonka]

I wondered the same thing, especially with the ref in dark, who put off Peaso a couple of times....

dundee at it again, they did a similar thing with livingston!

[templeofsaints]

Thought we were much better today (though after midweek that's not saying much) and I agree that 11 men would have won the game - hopefully Hardie is fined for being an erse.

Peaso needs to score soon - he was perhaps unlucky today in making way for McCluskey. If Hardie had stayed on, it would more likely have been McInnes sacrificed.

Plus points were the defence, Lawrie had a good game although perhaps Dyer should have started as a more natural left-sided player.

Can't complain too much at the result - it was our own making thanks to MMM. :(

BTW For the arse that went onto the touchline in front of the away fans in the first half - hope he gets a life ban. That could easily have turned nasty.

[templeofsaints]

Can someone fill me in with an eyewitness account from what happend after the game, at the 208?

Not sure we were stuck in the car park for a while but plenty of polis were heading for the exit!

[Tranmere Saintee]

Did anybody actually see Hardie elbow the guy?

Couple of points arise from it:-

1. If he did and the ref saw it, then why did he let play go on for at least 15 seconds before blowing his whistle?

2. Why was Hardie given a straight red & the Dundee arse who had been throwing his elbow about all day was only given a second yellow for the same offence?

Finally, does anybody have a clue as to what happened when the West Stand linesman intervened and we got a free kick right next to the East Stand?

[Radford 72]

Much better from Saints today. Still not as good as we can play but much more respectable after the three performances so far. I'd think both these teams will be up the top end of the table come April.

It was important for us to really impose ourselves on the game and I felt we did that and created the two best chances of the first half. Firstly Weatherston's pass was knocked onto his own bar by the Dundee defender and Worrell produced a fantastic block with only him between MacDonald and the goal. Our other main chance was from a breakaway and a one-two between Stewart and Weatherson with the former dinking the ball over Roy but seeing Robertson get back to block. Dundee were limited to long range shots, not a bad ploy on a greasy pitch. Main's handling was sound though.

Perfect start to the second half with a great goal from Saints. Rutkiewicz picked out Sheerin on the left wing and his early cross was pinpoint for Stewart to lash home a flying volley.

This seemed to wake Dundee up and Davidson missed two glorious chances either side of Hardie being sent off for what we assume was an elbow? After that it was pretty much backs to the wall for Saints, with Dyer being brought on at left midfield to shore things up. It was after Dyer's handball that the ball broke to Daquin and he lashed in their equaliser before going into prat mode and running towards the crowd to collect a booking. I didn't think Daquin looked bad, much better than has been made out, even if Swankie is still the class act in that side.

Main made a great late save from Palenik but we didn't really threaten again. The useless Zemlik was sent off for an arm into Andy Lawrie's save, after already being booked for an outrageous dive!

Freeland is a funny little man but didn't have much choice with any of the cards today, although I thought Scott Robertson was lucky when he clearly shoved him when he was booking Zemlik. Both teams keenly contested the match though but there seemed to be a mutual respect amongst the players and it never really boiled over.

I'd have bitten your hand off for a point before the game so will still take that now although feel we might have done enough if Hardie had stayed on the pitch. McManus has put his dodgy start behind him and Rutkiewicz looks like he's never been away. Main was solid again - ignoring the dodgy kicking that has plauged him throughout his career - and Anderson did as good a job as I could have hoped for on Swankie. Lawrie stepped in and did fine.

McInnes was a bit slow at times but McDonald and Robertson are the best central midfield pairing in the league. Sheerin played some nice plasses and Weatherston doubled up well on Swankie, although that limited his attacking threat.

Peaso used to be a right selfish git but lost that during his time with Jason, unfortunately I see that creeping back into his game. John Stewart did fine I thought and deserved his goal. He worked very hard when we needed it in the second half as well.

For Dundee, it's clear they now have a massive physical presence but the better players are the same old faces. I thought Zemlik was hopeless to be honest and Sturm looks quite weak, although that was a very limited glimpse of him. Davidson is clever but has to take chances like those he had.

Great support from Dundee too, fair play on that front.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Did anybody actually see Hardie elbow the guy?

Couple of points arise from it:-

1. If he did and the ref saw it, then why did he let play go on for at least 15 seconds before blowing his whistle?

2. Why was Hardie given a straight red & the Dundee arse who had been throwing his elbow about all day was only given a second yellow for the same offence?

Finally, does anybody have a clue as to what happened when the West Stand linesman intervened and we got a free kick right next to the East Stand?


Think thats a job for Agetha Christie. Freeman didnae have a clue. Pure shite....

[Radford 72]

Did anybody actually see Hardie elbow the guy?

Couple of points arise from it:-

1. If he did and the ref saw it, then why did he let play go on for at least 15 seconds before blowing his whistle?

2. Why was Hardie given a straight red & the Dundee arse who had been throwing his elbow about all day was only given a second yellow for the same offence?

Finally, does anybody have a clue as to what happened when the West Stand linesman intervened and we got a free kick right next to the East Stand?
I never saw it, don't know anyone that did. If he has been "done" by the Dundee player then hopefully our new video coverage will come to our aid.

Regarding Zemlik, it was more an arm than a swinging elbow from him, I can understand the ref's call there.

After that incident we either re-started incorrectly or when Zemlik was still on the pitch, so the linesman brought it to the ref's attention and we got another go! Alex Rae was raging! :***:

[jazzer]

Finally, does anybody have a clue as to what happened when the West Stand linesman intervened and we got a free kick right next to the East Stand?

The Dundee beanpole was still strolling off the pitch as play continued after his sending off.

[Radford 72]

got told that 1 of them held a glass to chips for teas daughters face.
Utter scum if that is true. Utter, utter scum.

[thegen65]

Utter scum if that is true. Utter, utter scum.

its bull,the only people that got any hassle were the saints casuals/ and all the other saintees who were calling it on...fact

[perthsaint1884]

Thats bollocks, FACT it did happen

[jazzer]

Save the aggro for another post. This one is about football chaps.

[auld reekie saint]

Early on Freeland failed to play advantage when Sheerinho was in a great position.
On at least 2 occasions he let Scumdee play advantage THEN when nothing came of it he gave them a freekick????
POOR STUFF Freeland ,what about some consistency?

[Tranmere Saintee]

Save the aggro for another post. This one is about football chaps.

Thank you Jazzer :D & all inappropriate posts put in here will be deleted :evil:

[saint5588]

Thought saints played really well today compared to tues night. thought lawrie had a really good game and dont think he made any bad mistakes. Hardie was stupid if he did elbow the player as he lost us the three points today and also is now out of playing next weekend.
Dont have a clue what Freeland was doing today and i cant believe he didnt go with his assisant with the hand ball which he couldnt have seen. Whats the point of him having the assistants there if he isnt going to use them?
Well lets hope that this will turn the team around and get the three points next week.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Before I start getting the usual brickbats about deleting items - this area is for Saints Chat (preferably about football) and not for tit-for-tat tales of after match nonsense. Could I suggest P&B for such stuff as it seems to cater more for the mind set & age group that tends to take part in such activities.

[perthsaint1884]

Yeah i can see why mine was deleted, sorry!

[Super J]

Think it's funny how people see the game differently! The first half for me was awful, too many high balls, mis-placed passes etc. Only two incidents of interest, McKenzie's header hitting the bar. The other chance saw us produce a good break just before half-time (when we looked a bit better) with Weatherstone and Stewart linking well and Stewart getting in the shot. Started the second half well with a great cross from Sheerin and an equally great finish from Stewart. It looked that we could go on and get another until Hardie got sent off. I didn't see the incident but Hardie didn't argue so assume it was the right decision. After that we sat back and weren't an attacking force for the rest of the game.

Main, Ruti, McManus and Anderson all had good games which indicates in itself how the game panned out. Sorry, but just not a fan of Lawrie at all. Coyle's said in the past that Dyer would get a start for the rest of the division but Goran's great form kept him out. Why then did he not give the guy a chance rather than play a right back there?

Shoot me down in flames but I thought we played the best football of the season in the first half against Raith Rovers with McCluskey playing off the front really effectively. Therefore, I was really disappointed to see that he didn't get a start today. I'd love to see Weatherstone and McCluskey in the same attacking team.

Overall happy to get a point since we were down to ten men for so long, didn't create much and that Dundee (especially Davidson) missed some good chances.

[MUZZ]

the pitch invader was good ***

[perthsaint1884]

Haha i could have wet maself wie laughter at that lad, club could get fined though!

[Jamie_Beatson]

Tranmere - you make an excellent point. I'd be shocked if Freeland did see Hardie use an elbow. For a start, the ball was out wide left and Sheerin (i think) was about to be tackled - surely he was looking there?

Also, he played on for a fair few seconds afterwards even allowing Saints to get the ball in to the centre where Hardie was standing trying to score. Surely if he saw it he would blow straight away and send him off?

All in all a bit bizarre.

Also raging about the Daquin handball that the linesman gave but Freeland waved away. Time and again we complain about linesmen (or assistant referees!) not putting their flag up when they see a foul, then when an assistant actually assists he gets waved away when he had a clear view!

And finally, why was Zemlik only given a second yellow for violent conduct? He'll now miss one game, whereas Hardie - who was sent off for the same offence - will miss more. Outrageous.

[perthsaint1884]

The thing about Zemlik is shocking, hardie gets a straight red for violent conduct - fair enough if it was but i never saw it. But that wee fud only gets a yellow? No chance is that fair!

[Radford 72]

Could I suggest P&B for such stuff as it seems to cater more for the mind set & age group that tends to take part in such activities.
I think that's incredibly harsh but probably isn't on-topic either! P&B is full of idiots and wind-up merchants but short shrift is given to those encouraging casual behaviour.

Coyle's said in the past that Dyer would get a start for the rest of the division but Goran's great form kept him out. Why then did he not give the guy a chance rather than play a right back there?
Dyer hadn't warmed up as he wasn't in the original matchday squad. Starting him was never an option in this instance.

And finally, why was Zemlik only given a second yellow for violent conduct? He'll now miss one game, whereas Hardie - who was sent off for the same offence - will miss more. Outrageous.
I don't think that's the case. Hardie will get a one match ban and 12 points on his record. Zemlik will get the same length of ban but only 6 points I'd imagine. If Hardie has been booked before in the league this season, he'll only be one booking away from another ban, probably two or three games going on his past disciplinary record.

[jazzer]

I'm all for linesmen taking a more proactive stance and helping the referee more. However, how the West Stand guy managed to concentrate with Rae bending his ear the entire game is beyond me.

[Saintkev]

its bull,the only people that got any hassle were the saints casuals/ and all the other saintees who were calling it on...fact

I heard the police outside on their radios talking of incidents of children being attacked... The pub was full of normal football fans who, even if there were Saints casuals in there, were caught in the cross-fire... not at all within the casual etiquette, that supposedly exists.

A Dundee supporting mate was in there and had decided to pop in and see me for a pint... he just text me apologising for the behaviour of his fellow Coags... bang out of order... scum!

Anyway, back onto the game.

We have improved, and I thought we did well in the circumstances... starting out with very little confidence against a team full of it, a hastily arranged defence, two of which were playing with knocks and then down to ten men for 30 minutes... that's what makes it even worse to hear all the knobs booing at the end...

[Saintkev]

Oh, and Freeland was appalling... worst refereeing display for a long time... thinks he's teh big man, yet couldn't even notice that the man he sent off wasn't off the pitch yet... clown!

[sideline]

First time I have seen Saints this season and must admit there was a real lack of fluency in the first half with midfield looking deperate. Also if I was Weatherstone I would have thought I had some infectious disease as no one seemed to want to pass the ball to him.
Peaso I thought was very poor and with no pace.
Must admit that despite all the criticism he got last season and this that Andy Lawrie put in a great shift out of position.
On a positive note, we were prepared to contend against a much bigger outfit.
Re Dundee I thought I would be impressed but frankly untl we went to 10 men I thought they did not look like scoring. As for Zemlik he looked a big useless Haddie.

[BlairSaint]

Anyone got any pics of the crowd or todays game etc?

[St Mikey]

Think things get outta hand! Went to the chinese for me n mrs and a group of about 40 young kids, saints fans, heading to the train station for a battle wit dundee boys?!?!?!

They looked bout 13-14yo. They'd get killed!

Aside,

I thought we lacked fluid movement, not piss tho! :)
Missed midfield a lot and Hardie getting sent off was pure childish, a guy of his experience should know better not to get involved. Straight red and a 3 match ban for violent conduct I reckon - Also I would get him running Kinnoull Hill every day as he nearly cost us the game! 3 games 3 draws? hmmm

Leave McInnes out, Sheerin in the middle with the wee man out on the left. He was busy again and done well.

WE NEED A RIGHT BACK AND A CENTRE MIDFILED OWEN IF YOUR READING THIS!!

Zemlik 2nd booking was for dangerous play, not violent conduct. He swung round and accidentally elbowed Lawrie(maybe no accidental eh) but thats a booking.

CMON THE BLOOOOOOZ

I heard the police outside on their radios talking of incidents of children being attacked... The pub was full of normal football fans who, even if there were Saints casuals in there, were caught in the cross-fire... not at all within the casual etiquette, that supposedly exists.

A Dundee supporting mate was in there and had decided to pop in and see me for a pint... he just text me apologising for the behaviour of his fellow Coags... bang out of order... scum!

Anyway, back onto the game.

We have improved, and I thought we did well in the circumstances... starting out with very little confidence against a team full of it, a hastily arranged defence, two of which were playing with knocks and then down to ten men for 30 minutes... that's what makes it even worse to hear all the knobs booing at the end...

[^sainteebrian^]

the "saints cassuals" as they call them selves are a bunch of twats i really dont like them their just a bunch of 13-14 yr olds looking for a fight because their "hard"

[Radford 72]

Straight red and a 3 match ban for violent conduct I reckon
That's an English rule, in Scotland it's only a 1 match ban and 12 points on his record.

[Kevin]

The thing about Zemlik is shocking, hardie gets a straight red for violent conduct - fair enough if it was but i never saw it. But that wee fud only gets a yellow? No chance is that fair!

I think Freeland probably saw it as a red but gave the second yellow to make life easy. But I may be wrong, ask Kev

[Kevin]

Haha i could have wet maself wie laughter at that lad, club could get fined though!

They could and we could lose points!! Erse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MUZZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6htHUWmmChc

[MUZZ]

we shouldve taken our chances we had in the first half. bad misses

[marc05-sjfc]

There was slightly more to it than that as the scum walked towards the town, but i'd rather talk about the game myself. I thought that after Hardie got sent off we were never really in the game and thanks to a couple of excellent saves from Main we held out for the draw. Glad to see a striker score for the 1st time this season and all credit to John Stewart who finished the cross from Sheerin well. Hopefully we can get our 1st win of the season next week at Clyde and bag a very much needed 3 points. Come on Saints!!

[Ronaldo]

Summary - We don't really need to fear Dundee. First requirement is to get a couple of wins.

[SJC]

Trouble in the 208 eh?

Too many idiots around who fuel this sort of thing then bugger off leaving people in it who didn't want anything to do with it.

For whatever happened, where are the people who baited these Coags to the 208? The same has happened with Airdrie fans in the past, leave these sectarian idiots to their own problems and stop encouraging these twats to come to Perth.

Tayside police need lessons in how to deal with crowds, they have no idea whatsoever.

[Calypso Kid]

Can anyone tell me what the ref gave the free kick for that they scored from? Some of the stuff he came out with was ridiculous for both teams. Sheerin was clean through at one point and he brought him back for a free kick in our favour(which Peaso put out for a throw in!).

Did anyone honestly see what Hardie did because i totally missed it!?

[Calypso Kid]

Bait them with what SJC? Its a public house, theres not much you can do if a bunch of fannies want to start trouble. I wasn't there when it kicked off but i can imagine just how effective the polis were.

[^sainteebrian^]

Did anyone honestly see what Hardie did because i totally missed it!?


i dont think it was that bad, well to the extent that the dee player was taking it to, it was just a push and a shove. i noticed that mcinned was getting quite fired up for a sending off himself, with pushing shouting and grabbing players in OUR box, i dont see why OC starts him he rubbish

[mainstand]

i dont think it was that bad, well to the extent that the dee player was taking it to, it was just a push and a shove. i noticed that mcinned was getting quite fired up for a sending off himself, with pushing shouting and grabbing players in OUR box, i dont see why OC starts him he rubbish

The erf indicated an elbow. If you looom at his expression after the sending off he never complained at all. Sheer stupidity.

[Tranmere Saintee]

The erf indicated an elbow. If you looom at his expression after the sending off he never complained at all. Sheer stupidity.

Translated to "the ref" & "if you look" :D which is the exact same indication by the ref for the Zemlick booking - I am still amazed at how many saw Zemlick 'just swing his arm' for the umpteenth time yet nobody saw Hardie actually do anything:?

I was having a go at Freeland (cannot call him a ref as he is that bad that he does not qualify) after about 2 mins of the game for throwing his elbow at McManus and missing - he takes a sneaky look first at where the ref is and then flings his right elbow in the hope that it connects with somebody (hopefully he will accidentally clobber one of his own players soon).

[chips for tea]

Much better performance from the Saints yesterday

Without raving on about the 208.........There were no saint casuals as such in the pub,the Dundee hooligans werent even at the match,they were in the 208 from 3.30 onwards,so they werent goaded as its been suggested,a warning was put up on a certain Dundee site stating to stay away from the 208 as there was to be trouble,the dundee scum attacked scarfers who were there with family kids etc,quite a few folks who were assaulted are actually forum members on here,and to you ya clown who responded to the post about my daughter getting threatened with a glass,you said it was utter bollocks,you tell that to my lass who was very,very upset and shocked by the incident,it took a long time for me to calm her down,as witnessed from one or two people who post on here.

[Saintkev]

I think Freeland probably saw it as a red but gave the second yellow to make life easy. But I may be wrong, ask Kev

Doubt it, I think he'd have to go straight red if the incident merited it... think he thought it was more of a clumsy challenge, which is all I thought it was to be honest.

[Saintkev]

They could and we could lose points!! Erse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this true? If so it opens an interesting opportunity for nutters everywhere. If Dundee were to be a couple of points clear towards the business end of the season, would some (nutter) of a Saints fan be able to run onto the pitch at a Dundee game and cost them points? He'd get a ban, but he'd be considered a hero (by some) if we pipped them!!

I can understand a fine, which I think the club should be sharing with the police and stewards, however points (for the actions of an individual, who this case was not even a Saintee) could start some crazy goings on.

[MUZZ]

Is this true? If so it opens an interesting opportunity for nutters everywhere. If Dundee were to be a couple of points clear towards the business end of the season, would some (nutter) of a Saints fan be able to run onto the pitch at a Dundee game and cost them points? He'd get a ban, but he'd be considered a hero (by some) if we pipped them!!

I can understand a fine, which I think the club should be sharing with the police and stewards, however points (for the actions of an individual, who this case was not even a Saintee) could start some crazy goings on.

the guy is in court on friday. beach of the peace

[Saintkev]

For whatever happened, where are the people who baited these Coags to the 208? The same has happened with Airdrie fans in the past, leave these sectarian idiots to their own problems and stop encouraging these twats to come to Perth.

Apparently the Dundee contingent were in the 208 all game, getting tanked up waiting... fairly simple for the police to deal with I would have thought?!!

[inex]

This had to be the most predictable draw of all time.

Hopefully some wins come soon.

[shug]

Firstly I thought that the game was a very exciting end to end game, but agree that if it was not for Hardie being sent off we should and would have one.

The only down point was when some stupid narrow minded Saints fan(?) threw a coin at either Zemlik or the Ref when he was receiving his second yellow. The Ref spotted it on the ground and showed his assistant, no doubt this will go in his report and Saints could end up with a fine. Thanks to who ever that was!!!

[angussaint]

Apparently the Dundee contingent were in the 208 all game, getting tanked up waiting... fairly simple for the police to deal with I would have thought?!!

What happened at the 208?, As due to family commitments I was unable to make the game, was it a full scale battle (like when the casual sheep wrecked the bogs in the 208 a few years back) or just a skirmish.

[chips for tea]

Much better performance from the Saints yesterday

Without raving on about the 208.........There were no saint casuals as such in the pub,the Dundee hooligans werent even at the match,they were in the 208 from 3.30 onwards,so they werent goaded as its been suggested,a warning was put up on a certain Dundee site stating to stay away from the 208 as there was to be trouble,the dundee scum attacked scarfers who were there with family kids etc,quite a few folks who were assaulted are actually forum members on here,and to you ya clown who responded to the post about my daughter getting threatened with a glass,you said it was utter bollocks,you tell that to my lass who was very,very upset and shocked by the incident,it took a long time for me to calm her down,as witnessed from one or two people who post on here.

Written above is what happened at the 208,add to that chairs glasses and bottles getting thrown around,plus one or two Dundee had other weapons,romour has it a Perth lad (not casual) got slashed in the foundry,before the game had kicked off,and of no interest to anybody,trouble flaired up later on after the game at That bar.

[saint5588]

Can anyone else understand why the dundee player at the freekick peaso put out for a throw in wasnt cautioned and the freekick retaken?? Did this not happen to us against raith on tues night, when they nearly scored from the second chance of taking it?? Why are referees inconsistent, its like they only play to the rules they want to?

[SaintSam1884]

We were much better and should have won that game, against a side tipped to challenge for the title, who had a full strength side to choose from. Dundee look little improved from last season and if that's the benchmark, we can easily reach that when everyone is fit and the new player(s) are in.

And the person that ran onto the pitch is a bit of a moron.

[D,SRBACK]

I had a great day out in perth yesterday and your fans were great.
I know the idiots causing trouble in bar 208,they were all from lochee and celtic fans.
Please dont associate them with us!..I was heading there for a pint after the game but couldn,t because of that lot of wasters!

[Noose76]

a walked to the train station after the game and the policing of the dundee casuals was a shambles. they were trying to start with scarfers all the way along and one of them got smashed about off all the wee saints fans (most of whom were under 15). the dundee boy with the leather gloves defo had something in his jacket, bunch of ****ing animals. Tayside police have to put there hands up and except respondsibility for this as it defo could have been stopped. a had to get the train home with some of then and the older fans said it was widely expected to happen at the 208 so im not sure what sort of intelligience the coppers to miss the whole thing.....

[101 Saint]

Not much to write about the game as not much happened. However, I must take the time to say that Drew Lawrie played very well on the left of the back four. I have slated him on here and firmly believe he is the worst (regular) right back I've seen in a Saints shirt, but his performance yesterday was exemplary.

We are desperately short of a centreback to partner Ando, a right bcak to replace Drew and central midfielder who can work with both Hardie and Sheerin. However, Owen has signed players on deadline day before and I'm sure he'll do so again.

We have the basics of a good team; we have a player-poaching manager and a couple of weeks to deadline day - Keep The Faith!

Piccies are here http://www.putfile.com/spannermann/images/138775

[^sainteebrian^]

the way i see it they got a goal from - complaining about a handball, saints stopped playing and bang he hit it in

[monkfish]

Also good to see the return of some old chants. 'Alan Main, alchy dad' will always be a classic, even if it was Dundee fans singing it.
Well done to whoever put the Adams family music on at half time, but no one seemed to remember the 'Coagie family' lyrics?

[Zimmerman]

Well thats the first time I have seen saints since the last day of the season, so I will add what I think the season will bring, purely based on one game and what people have said. Thought we were nothing special but it would not have been shock for us to win the game.

As for the team. Thought Main played really well and his kicking wasnt as bad as people have been writing about on the forum. However, he will need to stop letting the fans praise go to his head. Classic example was when he made a save, jumped about like a kid with smarties, then threw the ball out the park! Still a legend.

Thought the team looked very dis-jointed and the route 1 football was rather poor, with some patches of good football (that almost sounds like a weather report). The back four were solid enough and thought kev back in the team was easily MoM, although he has the same old punt the ball up the park tactics.

What does worry me is the midfield, what worries me even more is coyle seems to think it will get us through the season. For me, we still have not had a driving centre mid since hartley left. Thought hardie was solid, but mciness will not last a season, hopefully this is not the case with sheerin and stanic.

Someone also hit the head on the nail in an earlier thread when they said there was no link up between the strikers, did they even pass the ball to each other? I dont think stewart looks like much of a player, but his running is top notch and if he scores then im not bothered. Someone was also correct in saying that peaso is becoming desperate and very ball greedy.

That said, we had chances, I did not think much of the dee and we still have players to come back. Mckluskey looks good, if a little on the light side and im sure wetherston will come good, although im not sure he is a winger. I dont think we will win the league, but i hope im wrong.

Mon the saints!

[MUZZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbmRx2_Ejd0

[perthsaint1884]

Must say its quite funny seeing it ***

[saint in exile]

Thought we could take a lot of positives from the game.Ruti has steadied and organised the defence,Weatherston and McCluskey look very good players,Stewart had a reasonable game and Sheerin played well.
On the negative side thought Peaso was woeful,dreadfully slow,has to be dropped.Don`t think anyone else has mentioned Andersons wayward passes,there was plenty of them.We defo need a decent right back and a more dynamic central midfield player.
Pretty sure we would have won the game if Hardie hadn`t been sent off.Was level with the incident and didn`t see a thing,no-one around me saw it either!?
Was expecting Dundee to have been better.Their fans were good though,at least they were singing.

[Invernessaint]

Some very mixed comments on the forum so far, as you would expect, but I really enjoyed the game! I left the stadium quite upbeat as there are signs that the team is coming on and any worries about Dundee being the team to catch this year have all but gone. We still have some way to travel but remain positive. We looked secure at the back all day long - have to single out McManus and Rustybitz for outstanding displays. Lawrie did a sound job, good on him. Ando did well too although distribution at times a bit dodgy. Main at the back has improved things considerably. Perhaps no better a keeper than Cuthbert on current showing but controls the box far better. Did anyone pick up on his intervention with 2 mins to go when we won a corner, he raced off his line to shout at Dyer and lawrie to fall back and not leave ourselved exposed. An experienced head indeed. Thought Sheerin was class again, McInness did ok, Hardie was just Hardie! Weatherston covered well defensively which restricted his forward play somewhat. Up front - well will upset some people here but I thought Peaso was woeful! Stewart ran and ran but looked to lack the quality required. Still made a big contribution in other areas and what a strike for his goal. Dundee, well defintately better than last season and in the middle of the park did look quicker and more creative than Saints. Overall though, nothing to fear from them. Our squad does need to be added to though to take us on from here but OC knows this. My greatest fear going into this game was our defensive abilities - that defensive performance fills me with a great deal of confidence. Well done all round Saints.

[Noose76]

Bearing in mind Dundees clear height advantage all over the pitch, we played pretty decent and had it not bee for MMM being a tit and getting sent off we would of beat them. Hes our most physical player and to get sent off so soon after a goal and early in the second half really put the pressure on the rest. As much as I like Alan Main, he needs to simmer down and get on with his duty. I know for a fact that half of the mistakes he made are unforced errors and if it was Kev then he would be strung up by the home support. His kicking was better then usual so all in all a half decent performance. Why of why do the boo boys boo at the end bearing in mind we've played most of the second half with 10 men against a strong team like Dundee?

[templeofsaints]

Bearing in mind Dundees clear height advantage all over the pitch, we played pretty decent and had it not bee for MMM being a tit and getting sent off we would of beat them. Hes our most physical player and to get sent off so soon after a goal and early in the second half really put the pressure on the rest. As much as I like Alan Main, he needs to simmer down and get on with his duty. I know for a fact that half of the mistakes he made are unforced errors and if it was Kev then he would be strung up by the home support. His kicking was better then usual so all in all a half decent performance. Why of why do the boo boys boo at the end bearing in mind we've played most of the second half with 10 men against a strong team like Dundee?

Without condoning the boo-boys, possibly the problem is that the game felt like we'd thrown away two points thanks to Hardie's sending-off, some poor finishing (esp in the 1st half) and a lack of concentration at the Scumdee goal.

[dee4life]

Poorest we have played this season and coupled with the fact freeland was the ref I am happy with a point,our main players swankie mcdonald robertson etc can play a lot better,did,nt see the red card for hardie was to far away so cant comment but zemlik,s 1st yellow was a joke he was past the defender who brought him down dont know whta he did for 2nd yellow should it have been a straight red?Great support from the dees and a better than normal home crowd also.Just one complaint though why have adults and kids standing in the rain till 2.20 before opening the gates,they knew it was going to be a big away support.

[Noose76]

Without condoning the boo-boys, possibly the problem is that the game felt like we'd thrown away two points thanks to Hardie's sending-off, some poor finishing (esp in the 1st half) and a lack of concentration at the Scumdee goal.

I probably agree with you here, should of had the game wrapped up but the fact is we didnt and once Hardie sold his soul like that we were lucky to scrape the draw. That game shows we require a big man who can actually win the ball in the air upfront, and the height difference throughout the pitch was worrying. There were snippets of good play so I just hope we can turn this into numerous goals at Cylde. Cant wait for Saturday already!

[Jimmy Wallace]

Poorest we have played this season and coupled with the fact freeland was the ref I am happy with a point,our main players swankie mcdonald robertson etc can play a lot better,did,nt see the red card for hardie was to far away so cant comment but zemlik,s 1st yellow was a joke he was past the defender who brought him down dont know whta he did for 2nd yellow should it have been a straight red?Great support from the dees and a better than normal home crowd also.Just one complaint though why have adults and kids standing in the rain till 2.20 before opening the gates,they knew it was going to be a big away support.

decent post by a football fan, you are welcome here. Home fans also had to stand in the rain to get in. The turnstiles were very slow into the East Stand. We arrived (me, my dad and my 5 year old) at 2.15 and were not inside until 2.50. The club do need to take another look at this.

[HertsSaintee]

Walk to the end! Every single home game, we walk to the far end of the East Stand to the final pair of turnstiles - there's never any queue at these. Never understood why fans are prepared to wait at the other turnstiles in huge lines, especially in a monsoon. We arrived at 2.30 on Saturday and got straight in, so I don't know why some people are reporting waits of over half an hour. If folk are having to wait, the stewards should really be telling people about them, but then again, that would be going against their policy of making money for standing about doing nothing...

Herts

[pavel]

At least the polis lifted a boy that ran on to the pitch when they scored and ran back into the stand again. Normally they would just leave it as there so inept in Tayside.
It was actually the steward that was wanting to lift him and the polis were just ignoring the steward until he kept on at them. Finally they waded in and took him out. Fair enough, if I was the polis I wouldn't want to touch the flea ridden scab either. But it is there job.

[Nick]

Poorest we have played this season and coupled with the fact freeland was the ref I am happy with a point,our main players swankie mcdonald robertson etc can play a lot better,did,nt see the red card for hardie was to far away so cant comment but zemlik,s 1st yellow was a joke he was past the defender who brought him down dont know whta he did for 2nd yellow should it have been a straight red?Great support from the dees and a better than normal home crowd also.Just one complaint though why have adults and kids standing in the rain till 2.20 before opening the gates,they knew it was going to be a big away support.


The gates were opened late due to the First Aiders being late on arriving to the ground. Saints couldn't open the gates for Health and Safety reasons until theres at least one First Aider in each stand.

[saint5588]

Walk to the end! Every single home game, we walk to the far end of the East Stand to the final pair of turnstiles - there's never any queue at these. Never understood why fans are prepared to wait at the other turnstiles in huge lines, especially in a monsoon. We arrived at 2.30 on Saturday and got straight in, so I don't know why some people are reporting waits of over half an hour. If folk are having to wait, the stewards should really be telling people about them, but then again, that would be going against their policy of making money for standing about doing nothing...

Herts

This is because last two turnstiles are only for adults. Quite a few people were turned away from the turnsstile on sat as they had a child with them and the guy taking the money is only allowed to take the exact £17.

[truefaith]

This is because last two turnstiles are only for adults. Quite a few people were turned away from the turnsstile on sat as they had a child with them and the guy taking the money is only allowed to take the exact £17.

I was one of those turned away. I have a season ticket, but thought I'd bring my six-year-old younger son along to see a big game. We were turned away from the far turnstile at 2:45 because it was adults only. We had to wait together in the rain until 3:15 to get in at the concessions gate.

Crazy set up. What's the big deal about taking a few pounds from a six-year-old? It's certainly put me off bringing him again this season.

[Simon Quinlank]

I was one of those turned away. I have a season ticket, but thought I'd bring my six-year-old younger son along to see a big game. We were turned away from the far turnstile at 2:45 because it was adults only. We had to wait together in the rain until 3:15 to get in at the concessions gate.

Crazy set up. What's the big deal about taking a few pounds from a six-year-old? It's certainly put me off bringing him again this season.

there are always going to be big queues and delays when we play Dundee. Get there a bit earlier next time and you won't have problem!

[Jimmy Wallace]

Walk to the end! Every single home game, we walk to the far end of the East Stand to the final pair of turnstiles - there's never any queue at these. Never understood why fans are prepared to wait at the other turnstiles in huge lines, especially in a monsoon. We arrived at 2.30 on Saturday and got straight in, so I don't know why some people are reporting waits of over half an hour. If folk are having to wait, the stewards should really be telling people about them, but then again, that would be going against their policy of making money for standing about doing nothing...

Herts

yes, but if you read my post properly Herts you'll notice I had my 5 year old with me (for the first time). Adults only at the end gates. Most of the folk in the queues were either OAPs, kids, or adults with kids. I'll say it again, the club need to take a look at the turnstile policy.

[Noose76]

turnstiles can be a joke at McD, but i swaggered up to the far end one and there was no que at all in either the adult or kiddies entrance. people just join the first ques like sheep and end up waiting half their lives. £17 is still a joke for 1st division football though.

[Invernessaint]

I was one of those turned away. I have a season ticket, but thought I'd bring my six-year-old younger son along to see a big game. We were turned away from the far turnstile at 2:45 because it was adults only. We had to wait together in the rain until 3:15 to get in at the concessions gate.

Crazy set up. What's the big deal about taking a few pounds from a six-year-old? It's certainly put me off bringing him again this season.

I too was caught up with this shambles. Could not gain entry through the adult gate with my 9 year old and was told to go to the turnstyle labelled "family" but of course there was not one. Asked both a steward and a police officer where the 'family entrance' was and neither could tell me!Joined the now massive queue for "Juvenile/OAP" only and got through and then had to hunt for the two other members of my party who had got in through the adult gate! And one final question - I accept that it does not make economical sense to have the Ormond stand open for most of the season but surely on Saturday it should have been open. This would have stopped the hundreds of people wandering around the East stand trying to find seats with no help whatsoever from the stewards. The problem being that people obviously turn up wanting to sit with each other and this was proving more and more difficult as seats were taken up. A number around me were getting quite irritated as their view was frequently interupted by the seat searchers. However, a good turn out for the game and I will not knock that but surely somoene somewhere should have seen this coming?

[jazzer]

I turned up at the East Stand around 2:35. Took one look at the queues, puddles and mud, then decided the Main Stand was for me.
Less than 10 minutes later, I was in my seat, coffee in hand. Well worth the extra few quid.

[dee4life]

My main gripe was having us waiting in the rain till 2.20 but if that was due to no 1st aiders then so be it,why was behind the goal not open for home fans?surely that would allow you lads in quicker.

[truefaith]

there are always going to be big queues and delays when we play Dundee. Get there a bit earlier next time and you won't have problem!

It'll be even easier not to take my son next time.