Clyde vs. St Johnstone 25/08/07

[Nairn Saint]

Away win! (Please)

What's the general feeling for Saturday's game against the hapless Clyde?

[SlickDT]

Think we'll get our first victory of the season.

[SingaporeSaint]

I think once we click someone is going to get a good humping, might be too early for the Clyde game but the Pars game is getting closer .

[MUZZ]

tough tough game. they'll try and kick us off the park

[Saint Paul]

I was reading over on Pie & Bovril, and the Clyde fans expect us to hammer them, despite our not so great start.

This could be the game that kick starts our season, as Clyde are really in the doldrums at the moment, so we should really go out and take advantage of it. Perhaps go out and play 4-3-3 to surprise them, and play attacking away from home ?

On that basis, I would go with :-

--------------------------Main----------------------------

Lawrie-----------Ando-----------Ruti------------Stanic(If fit)

--------------Moon------McInnes------Sheerin-------------

-------------Wetherston-------Daal---------Stewart-------


Subs :- Cat, Dyer, McLuskey, Peaso, Jackson

[thommo]

I always worry about the so called easier games, or the games against teams who are struggling. How many times in the past have we lost to teams who havent won in ages? That said if we battle like we did against Scumdee on Saturday I think we will win, but not too convincingly. Clyde will keep things very tight and at this stage I dont think we have the ability to break defensive sides down too easily.

[The Real Saints]

I always worry about the so called easier games, or the games against teams who are struggling. How many times in the past have we lost to teams who havent won in ages? That said if we battle like we did against Scumdee on Saturday I think we will win, but not too convincingly. Clyde will keep things very tight and at this stage I dont think we have the ability to break defensive sides down too easily.

They have let in 9 goals in their first 3 games, 4 of them being against Partick Thistle last weekend, so I don't expect it to be much harder to break through their defence than the other sides we've faced so far this season.
I fully believe we will win this match, and quite comfortable too, although I won't complain as long as we just get the 3 points. I feel we should beat Clyde with as close to the same team we played against Dundee. There is no need to try anything radical, as it will almost certainly prove to be a big gamble. Hopefully, we should have acquired the services of a couple more players by Saturday as well. I think, with the current options, we should line up like this -

Main

Lawrie
Anderson
Rutkiewicz
Stanic

Weatherston
McInnes
Sheerin
McCluskey

MacDonald
Stewart


However, we could play Sheerin on the left with McInnes and Moon as the central pairing, although I prefer the midfield above.
Irvine looks likely to sign shortly, so will take Lawrie's place at right-back if/when he does.
Will be travelling by car to Cumbernauld with my dad, so I'm looking forward to the game, and hopefully getting our first win of the season to put us on the right track at last.

[Noose76]

Never easy games at Broadwood so we're bound to struggle. Any sort of win is a good win and we need to get this monkey off our back, but I think we'll just do it.

[soulfulsaint]

scrappy match but i think we will score two and win in the end. so slow progress but no walkover.

[chips for tea]

Hard to predict going by our last games,but if we show the same spirit as we did against Dundee,i cant see us losing,i have this one down as a very tight game with us to the good by the odd goal in three.

[inex]

Surely its another ´hard luck story´draw. Hoping for a win but I can see another red card, bad referee, or something happen.

[SaintSam1884]

This is usually the sort of game we don't win, but Clyde look exceptionally poor, and our performance improved immeasurably against a Dundee side on top form despite injuries and eventually being down to ten men. I'd start:

Main

Anderson McManus Rutkiewicz Lawrie/Dyer

Weatherston McInnes Sheerin McCluskey

Daal MacDonald

Official site says that Stanic is already looking doubtful for the weekend, but is it tempting fate to allow Lawrie another start at left back? Can he be as good there two matches in a row? Or is it a safer bet to run with Willie Dyer? I'll leave that one to Owen Coyle. Stewart scored a goal on Saturday but the link up play between him and MacDonald was poor. I'd give Daal a start against one of the poorer sides in the division to see if the two can strike a bond and he can get his first league goal in a Saints jersey.

[Radford 72]

Stewart scored a goal on Saturday but the link up play between him and MacDonald was poor.
Could that not be because it was only their second competitive game together? The only way the strikers will form partnerships is if they are given a run together in the team. If we don't try and stick with a pairing it'll be a case of wanting a change every week because there will be no link up.

In my eyes, Daal has done nothing to merit a start, even ahead of Jackson, yet.

[Zimmerman]

Clyde's young team generally run us off the park, so i would start 4-3-2-1, then if we havent scored put more people up front.

Main

Anderson Mcmanus Ruti Stanic



Moon Mcinness Sheerin


Wetherston Mcluskey

Daal



Subs:Cuthbert,Peaso,Stewart,Lawrie,Jackson

[MUZZ]

imrie to score winner on his debut after coming off the bench ***

[blueheaven]

I'm coming up from London for this game and really looking forward to it. At last I'm going to get to see our pre-season signings for the first time. I expect Daal to play like Pele, Stewart to play like Van Basten, Weatherston and McCluskey to play like Best and Waddle... and Main to play like Main!

[Nairn Saint]

I'm coming up from London for this game and really looking forward to it. At last I'm going to get to see our pre-season signings for the first time. I expect Daal to play like Pele, Stewart to play like Van Basten, Weatherston and McCluskey to play like Best and Waddle... and Main to play like Main!

Andrew Lawrie to play like Beckenbauer. That's Ulrich Beckenbauer, the one legged sausage factory worker from Hamburg.

[7-2]

That's Ulrich Beckenbauer, the one legged sausage factory worker from Hamburg.
Oh God....where did his missing leg end up????:wink:

[Nairn Saint]

Oh God....where did his missing leg end up????:wink:

Das ist der Legwurst (German for don't eat the sausage)!

[lethamsaintee]

Fairly confident of us grabbing the 3 points, and fairly comfortably at that. By all accounts Clyde have been shocking so far this season, but we are quite good at falling on our jear boxes when we least expect it.

[Hazel1884]

Hoping to see us collect our first 3 points of the season here on Saturday.

There hasn't been much chat of build up yet and will be interesting to see how the A&E list is looking - Milne, McLaren, James out. Hardie out (Suspension) If Stanic is still out i would hope to see young Dyer in at left back - Lawrie acquitted himself well on Saturday, and played his best game thus far but i'd feel a lot more comfortable with Dyer at left back due to Clyde's break and ability to hit us on the counter attack.

I expect Clyde to sit in and hit us on the counter attack.

Think we will line up:
Main

Anderson(sorry Ando!) Rutkiewicz McManus Dyer

Weatherston McInnes Sheerin McCluskey

Stewart MacDonald

I'd probably like to see Jackson in for MacDonald, although we know that won't happen and potentially Sheerin and McCluskey to swap - dependant on how things are working out - allowing McCluskey to push forward and McInnes to sit a little bit deeper. Can see us definately missing Hardie in midfield for this one.

[Saintkev]

Hardie's views on the game (http://www.clydefc.co.uk/articles.cfm?id=83)...

Radders, will you provide in-depth updates via text please mate?

[Saintkev]

Hardie's views on the game (http://www.clydefc.co.uk/articles.cfm?id=83)...

Funny where the guy says that it will be both clubs 100th meeting!!! Shockerooney... it's not going to be Clydes 100th time against us and our 99th against them!

[Radford 72]

Hardie's views on the game (http://www.clydefc.co.uk/articles.cfm?id=83)...

Radders, will you provide in-depth updates via text please mate?
Sure thing mate. :)

[Saintkev]

Sure thing mate. :)

Good work...

[auld reekie saint]

Team for me would be

Main

Irvine Ando Ruti Lawrie

McCluskey Hardie McInnes Sheerinho


Weatherston Stewart



I thought Lawrie did okay at left back and have yet to be impressed by Dyer. McInnes has struggled but I don't see who can replace him (unless McCluskey with Peaso up front.)
Peaso has been poor so far this season.Is he putting the pounds on?

[Saintkev]

Can I ask all attending Saintees to sing their hearts out for the boys, give them all a chance... do it for us part-timers!! :cry:

[Perth-Saint]

will do Kev:)

my team for the weekend:

Main

Irvine McManus Ruti Lawrie (goran defo out then?)

Weatherston McInnus Sheerin McLuskey

Stewart Peaso

Subs: Cuthbert, Jackson, Dyer, Daal, Moon

[auld reekie saint]

Team for me would be

Main

Irvine Ando Ruti Lawrie

McCluskey Hardie McInnes Sheerinho


Weatherston Stewart



I thought Lawrie did okay at left back and have yet to be impressed by Dyer. McInnes has struggled but I don't see who can replace him (unless McCluskey with Peaso up front.)
Peaso has been poor so far this season.Is he putting the pounds on?

What idiot put Hardie in his team for tomorrow ?

[auld reekie saint]

will do Kev:)

my team for the weekend:

Main

Irvine McManus Ruti Lawrie (goran defo out then?)

Weatherston McInnus Sheerin McLuskey

Stewart Peaso

Subs: Cuthbert, Jackson, Dyer, Daal, Moon

Agree with this

[jazzer]

I would like Daal in the starting line up alongside Stewart. If he could nick a goal, it could do wonders for his confidence, and lets face it , we need some height up front.
Even if he can't head a ball, the opposition still have to pay special attention to him at set pieces, perhaps giving others a bit more room.
If he can't impress against the leagues worst team at present, then god help him.

[Nairn Saint]

What is the point of having Willie Dyer in the squad if he can't take Goran's place when he is injured?

Main,
Anderson,Ruti, McManus and Dyer
Weatherston, McInnes,Sheerin and McCLuskey
MacDonald and Stewart

Daal, Irvine, Lawrie, Moon and Cuthbert

Saints to win by one goal.

[jazzer]

Agree with Dyer at left back. He has been in the wings long enough for a starting slot.

[monkfish]

I would like Daal in the starting line up alongside Stewart. If he could nick a goal, it could do wonders for his confidence, and lets face it , we need some height up front.
Even if he can't head a ball, the opposition still have to pay special attention to him at set pieces, perhaps giving others a bit more room.
If he can't impress against the leagues worst team at present, then god help him.

Interview with Daal in the Times today. He was saying that Ajax really helped develop his close control, while admitting this isn't always ideal for humph it up the park Scottish football. According to the article this shouldn't be a problem at Saints with our 'continental style of football'. :shock:

[Moray Blue]

Starting lineup

Main
Irvine
McManus
Anderson
Stanic
Weatherston
McInnes
Sheerin
McLuskey
Stewart
Daal

Subs

Jackson
MacDonald
Moon
Lawrie
Cuthbert

[Nairn Saint]

Saints start with :

Main
Irvine, Anderson, McManus and Stanic
Weatherston, McInnes Sheerin and McCluskey
Stewart and Daal

Here's hoping for our first league win!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Come on yee Saints

[soulfulsaint]

go for it saints a win please.

[BlairSaint]

Scumdee 1 up, Sw*nkie.

[7-2]

Saints start with :

Main
Irvine, Anderson, McManus and Stanic
Weatherston, McInnes Sheerin and McCluskey
Stewart and Daal

Here's hoping for our first league win!
Thats probably the most attacking side weve put out away from home in the league for ages.

When we do things like that it usually ends up in a 1-0 defeat!!***. Time for a change! C'mon Saints.

[Moray Blue]

HT 0-0. Another quiet afternoon.....

[Nairn Saint]

Needs to liven up a bit!

[Moray Blue]

Needs to liven up a bit!

Dr Who and the Daleks is on BBC2 - ***

[Indicator]

Oh dear !! I think the boys must've believed all those Clyde posts that we were gonna wallop them 6-0 by half time. :rolleyes:

[Nairn Saint]

Same old same old, according to Radio Scotland we are crying out for a goal scorer!

Brewster has got 2 for the Sheep. Step forward Owen Coyle! :***:

[BlairSaint]

Same old same old, according to Radio Scotland we are crying out for a goal scorer!

Brewster has got 2 for the Sheep. Step forward Owen Coyle! :***:

Maybe this goal scorer you are talking about could be Richard Offiong..He's Scored again for Hamilton.:neutral:

[^sainteebrian^]

saints are sh*t how cant we be inning by now, against the worst team in the league, for crying out loud

[Nairn Saint]

Yep, just saw that! :roll:

[7-2]

Do you think Clyde will get their breakaway winner in the 88th or the 89th minute???!

[^sainteebrian^]

andy jackson up front now for daal.:/

[^sainteebrian^]

dundee 3-0 up now im getting really fed up with saints now

[BlairSaint]

Scumdee and Dunfermline winning, what the f**k's going on with Saints.

[^sainteebrian^]

i would put money on them scoring a goal in the 80+, i can just tell

[Nairn Saint]

Jacko on. Go on make yourself a hero!

[Indicator]

DD, Dunfy and Hamilton all winning - we're shooting dwn the div at this rate. So much for pre-season expectations...

[BlairSaint]

Jacko on. Go on make yourself a hero!

C'mon get a goal son.

[^sainteebrian^]

DD, Dunfy and Hamilton all winning - we're shooting dwn the div at this rate. So much for pre-season expectations...

were still 5th..........

[Nairn Saint]

We're still unbeaten!

[BlairSaint]

We're still unbeaten!

So are Hamilton.:***:

[saint_markperth]

Offiong again, there is no way hamilton will let him go now

[^sainteebrian^]

So are Hamilton.:***:

as you said that, they just pumped in another goal!

[BlairSaint]

Offiong again, there is no way hamilton will let him go now

FFs Damn we should of signed him.:mad:

[saint_markperth]

1-0

[Moray Blue]

1-0 Clyde !

[BlairSaint]

Clyde 1 Up Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

[^sainteebrian^]

1 fukin nil clyde

[saint_markperth]

1-0 clyde maclennon 70

[Scobby_SJFC]

Gees oh this is a nightmare season at present!!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Feck

[Nairn Saint]

We were unbeaten!

This is unacceptable.

[^sainteebrian^]

i would put money on them scoring a goal in the 80+, i can just tell

i was only 10 mins off



COME ON SAINTS

this is where saints start to play good

[^sainteebrian^]

we are now 7th :|

[sideshowbob1974]

We have to splash out now and get RICHARD OFFIONG from Hamilton.
We need a goalscorer now,DAAL is going to be waste of money
We will get an equaliser and have another draw!Trust me

[BlairSaint]

COME ON SAINTS

this is where saints start to play good

We all hope.:D

[Indicator]

were still 5th..........

You don't say.

[BlairSaint]

Stirling have just scored 1-1

[^sainteebrian^]

We have to splash out now and get RICHARD OFFIONG from Hamilton.
We need a goalscorer now,DAAL is going to be waste of money
We will get an equaliser and have another draw!Trust me

hamilton will not allow offiong to leave at this rate

what do you mean daal is going to be a waste of money HE ALREADY IS A WASTE OF MONEY!

and we wont get an equaliser because saints are playing the worst team alive and are getting beaten

[^sainteebrian^]

just noticed that qos are above us in the league.

were in for a relegation run this year lads.

hold on tight its going to be a bumpy ride

[BlairSaint]

were in for a relegation run this year lads.

hold on tight its going to be a bumpy ride

I very much doubt that.

[^sainteebrian^]

I very much doubt that.

the way its looking RIGHT this second........................

[Moray Blue]

FFS Brian - theres 32 more league games to go, and this one's not finished yet. Have a bit of belief in the team.

[MiguelSimao]

I very much doubt that.
why?

this is the first game i've missed this season, and from what i'm being told by people at the game it's looking pretty dire. i haven't seen anything from us this season to suggest we've got anything approaching the talent and desire needed to allow us to challenge. something's very wrong.

[7-2]

Perhaps OC should play Weatherston in his real position.

[son of tbaysaint]

Perhaps OC should play Weatherston in his real position.

spot on no one is scoring up front so we have to change it

this is so depressing

[BlairSaint]

3 points out of 12 f**king shambles.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Even if we score now and get a draw it,s still shite...Time for some drastic action before season is over.A team that can,t score ,can,t defend. Wow looks like it's gonna be a whole lot of fun this year...

[BlairSaint]

F**k Dunfermline just scored 2-1.

[son of tbaysaint]

F**k Dunfermline just scored 2-1.

all you have to do is win and you suddenly find yourself above saints in the league

[^sainteebrian^]

"oh when the saints"
"go marching down"
"oh when the saints go marching down......the league"

[Nairn Saint]

Missing Buck Hardie, but surely we should be better than this!

[sleepless]

full time

[BlairSaint]

Full Time 1-0.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Time for Broon and Coyle to get it sorted. No over reaction by me. We are shite, and will continue to be shite unless major changes take place.....

[a monkey]

"oh when the saints"
"go marching down"
"oh when the saints go marching down......the league"

ffs have a bit of faith.
only 5 of our starting 11 today played with us last season, give the new guys a bit of time.

[^sainteebrian^]

but seriously...what is the problem, we were good last season and nothing really changed there for the team doesn't have to waste to much time on having to gel with to many new players

[7-2]

Time for Broon and Coyle to get it sorted. No over reaction by me. We are shite, and will continue to be shite unless major changes take place.....
You are indeed a brave man Ghost...how dare you speak the truth on here! Stand by the usual slaughtering from the niave Saints Can Do No Wrong So Dont Dare Say Anything Against Them lot on here!

[angussaint]

What F*******kin H*lls going on, The time is NOW!!! for the useless board of twats to dig deep and give the manager some cash.

I'd have everyone of the team in 2moro' 8am for training & keep them there till 4pm at night training, we need to sort this out!

[emptyheed]

but seriously...what is the problem, we were good last season and nothing really changed there for the team doesn't have to waste to much time on having to gel with to many new players

i think a lot of people forget how shite we were at times last season

ok, not a good start at all but im still quite confident we can challenge at the top again this season...

just another couple of faces please mr. coyle

bring on the plastic whistle!

[^sainteebrian^]

What F*******kin H*lls going on, The time is NOW!!! for the useless board of twats to dig deep and give the manager some cash.

I'd have everyone of the team in 2moro' 8am for training & keep them there till 4pm at night training, we need to sort this out!

exactly. if i was coyle id be going tits

[7-2]

but seriously...what is the problem, we were good last season and nothing really changed there for the team doesn't have to waste to much time on having to gel with to many new players
Thats the point that so many people on here are overlooking...we were NOT that good last season! We had a good cup run that masked a lot of the ills that shone through in the league. Look back at some of the threads on here from last season and you will see how quickly folk forget!
We only got close to promotion because Gretna almost threw it away.

Its about time we all got real and saw OC and the team for what they are...average and middle of the road First Division.

[Invernessaint]

but seriously...what is the problem, we were good last season and nothing really changed there for the team doesn't have to waste to much time on having to gel with to many new players

Thats just where the problem lies - we were good only in the last few weeks of the season and hit form during the cup. As I and others have repeated on here, for huge parts of last season we were poor and that side did not change much pre season and we can now see the results of viewing last season through rose tinted spec!

[BlairSaint]

F**king shambles, can't wait to here the excuses from Coyle and co for this weeks result.

[a monkey]

i haven't seen saints this season, have our performances been THAT bad?

[Indicator]

but seriously...what is the problem, we were good last season and nothing really changed there for the team doesn't have to waste to much time on having to gel with to many new players

Errrr! Scotland gone, Hardie out, James out. Basically the back-bone of last year's tight team. Obviously the guys playing those positions today are not up to the mark yet.

An interesting season ahead.

That's me - I'm off, can't wait till the guys who were at the match start posting.

[G]

just noticed that qos are above us in the league.

were in for a relegation run this year lads.

hold on tight its going to be a bumpy ride

You talk some amount of pish.

[BlairSaint]

i haven't seen saints this season, have our performances been THAT bad?

Performances don't matter..Results do.

[^sainteebrian^]

You talk some amount of pish.

im going to hold that against you at the end of the season........i hope not

[a monkey]

Performances don't matter..Results do.

that's not what i asked.

[BlairSaint]

that's not what i asked.

I Know, i was just stating a fact though.

[a monkey]

I Know, i was just stating a fact though.

fair enough. but how have we looked?

[BlairSaint]

fair enough. but how have we looked?

Err, id say ok at best. Much poorer than last season anyway.

[^sainteebrian^]

fair enough. but how have we looked?

i have many word in my vocab for that question and most of them are bad ones....:D

[BlairSaint]

i have many word in my vocab for that question and most of them are bad ones....:D

C'mon give us your worst.:***:.

[angussaint]

Thats the point that so many people on here are overlooking...we were NOT that good last season! We had a good cup run that masked a lot of the ills that shone through in the league. Look back at some of the threads on here from last season and you will see how quickly folk forget!
We only got close to promotion because Gretna almost threw it away.

Its about time we all got real and saw OC and the team for what they are...average and middle of the road First Division.

But we haven't changed our squad that much from last season, lost 2 players, brought in a couple how can it go so wrong, Nevermind the same old pish team needs time to gel from one of the other posts, that's what pre-season for. C'MON GEOFF & OC sort it out.:evil:

[a monkey]

i have many word in my vocab for that question and most of them are bad ones....:D

you're so cheerful today, a real inspiration for us all!

it's 4 games into the season.
up until today we were undefeated.
we had 2 of our most influential players missing from the squad and someone in the starting eleven who probably only met the other players yesterday therefore can hardly have had time to 'gel'.

i'm not saying that oc doesn't have to change a few things, but lets not be writing saints off yet.

[BlairSaint]

you're so cheerful today, a real inspiration for us all!

it's 3 games into the season.
up until today we were undefeated.
we had 2 of our most influential players missing from the squad and someone in the starting eleven who probably only met the other players yesterday therefore can hardly have had time to 'gel'.

i'm not saying that oc doesn't have to change a few things, but lets not be writing saints off yet.

4 games
We havent won a game yet
Should still beat a useless Clyde team.

[slambrother]

Absolutely gutted by this score and to be honest our first defeat was never far away. We were rotten against Stirling and Raith and very average against Dundee. I am one who underestimated how much a role Mensing played in adding a bit of steel to our team and for all Scotland was slagged off for being lazy we truly miss his odd moment of magic. It's hard to find many positives this year with the exception of Mcluskey and Weatherstone.

At the moment we seem so lethargic with no one commanding the midfield and forwards who are totally misfiring. Where's the Peaso who was skipping around the celtic defense last year, he looks and runs like he's carrying an extra couple stone in weight and Daal despite being keen looks completely out of his depth the way he mis-controls the ball and the way he goes to header a ball either way before or way after it's near his head. I find it hard to see how things are going to change without major work being done.

Yes we're only 4 games in but last season shows how early poor form can ultimately ruin title dreams. We now face a tricky trip to Dunferline looking for our first win, Mr Coyle needs to change things quick!

[Radford 72]

Hopefully the fact we haven't scraped another draw actually forces everyone to take a good look at themselves though. It's difficult to know where to start with that shite this afternoon. I could make excuses about missing the core of our team but the group of players put on the pitch should at least be able to match Clyde in commitment and desire, but then Clyde aren't an SPL club so maybe that is too much to expect from some of them. Of course, Stewart and Daal weren't here last season so can't even fall back on that claim that they can play better. I've tried to be patient with Dyron Daal and am loathe to judge a player so early into his Saints career but the guy is hopeless and Coyle needs to cut his losses with him. John Stewart shows a bit more ability but isn't good enough either.

In the middle of the park we were second to every ball and although Christian Smith got away with numerous two footed lunges (yet Anderson is booked for a one-footed tackle where he wins the ball?), we had no one prepared to stand up to him. The defence looked a shambles all afternoon and there was no link up play between the full backs and wingers or the strikers. I can't find one positive to take from our performance, yet we should still have been a couple up at the break but for a(nother) missed sitter by Daal and one by McCluskey, who needs to be reminded he has two feet. You can't expect to go away from home and miss two open goals from less than six yards, and expect to win the game.

The most disappointing thing though is that after Clyde scored we didn't come remotely close to getting an equaliser. It's all fine Coyle holding out for quality signings but quality players aren't going to want to join a club stranded at the foot of the table.

I don't mind losing games, I do mind when it comes about simply because the other side want it more, and I don't mean any disrespect to Clyde in saying that but neither side was exactly flowing in their football. Clyde deserved the points - despite our misses - because they wanted it more. Not good enough Coyle.

[dave mc]

Think you are being slightly hard on Daal Radford,he certainly wasn't the poorest on the pitch,that accolade goes to Sheerin and McInnes in my opinion.They did nothing all afternoon,bar one good cross from Sheerin,got out fought and paced all game.Mooner showed more urgency and tenacity than both in his 20 mins.We badly missed MMM's attitude and attacking forays from the middle.The best strikers on earth won't score with the service we are providing them,and no-one supporting from midfield makes them isolated.Hardie and AN Other next week,if its not a new signing then Mooner would be my shout.

[SJC]

Daal missed an open goal from 2 yards out then missed again when played through 1 on 1.

Jamie McCluskey misses an identical chance to Daal- puts it wide from 2 yards out, and John Stewart missed when played through 1 on 1 with some bizarre attempt at a chip which went about 12 inches in the air and 2 foot forward (he was about 20 yards out when trying this!)

That today was an absolute shambles and the panic button needs pressing now- we have taken 2 points in 3 games against relegation fodder, which leaves us in that group as well now.

Daal needs punting or told to stay at home- he's Vinny Arkins without footballing ability.

Straight from kick off we were in trouble- 3 corners in the first 4 minutes with a couple of good saves from Main to the boot, after that we created 3 chances which should definately have been scored, there is no excuse to miss chances like Daal and McCluskey did today- thats abysmal.

The league is quickly getting out of reach now, that team which played today could easily be relegated because there was nothing there when Clyde started to play, and Clyde are nothing whatsoever.

It was completely embarassing to watch that today, we were absolutely terrible in the second half.

[HertsSaintee]

Two words about that shambles today...

Oh.

S**t.


Herts

[The Real Saints]

Absolutely shambolic. We need a new striker immediately. Someone we know can find the net. Get Richard Offiong here now! Get Stephen Dobbie back! Our finishing was a disgrace. The defence was inept, and our passes went all over the place in midfield. Irvine had a poor debut, and Stanic was especially weak. Daal is a disgrace of a footballer.
We showed no passion today, which finally made me realise that without Martin Hardie, we are nothing. I now truly believe that St. Johnstone are a one man team. Get Kerkar now, and get a quality striker! Totally embarrassing.

[Radford 72]

Get Richard Offiong here now!
Why would he sign for us?

[SJC]

I was actually thinking today that Stephen Dobbie would improve us and he's not appreciated by me to say the least.

Stewart and Daal are an awful combination.

[Mr Spoons]

Have to agree with Radford. We were absolutely terrible today. Anyone who was at the game will know what I mean when I say that after Clyde scored there just seemed to be no way back into the game for us. We could still be playing now and I honestly believe we wouldn't have scored yet.

This isn't meant to be doom and gloom - just an honest assessment of a dreadful afternoon and a very poor start to the season. We urgently need a striker who can score, and a playmaker in midfield.

[The Real Saints]

Why would he sign for us?

God knows. Good point. :( Get Stephen Dobbie back!

[Rodgers]

today was shocking!

sheering and mcinnes are looking like there past it but id still give them a chance to prove themselfs this season.

Some players wanted it today but only some, i cant remember any shots on target, so il go with that there was none today, which is really bad considering we have a striker as a manager and who loves the shooting drills in training.

jinky has braw talent but what he can do will be limited in this league, my option is that because he is young, fast and has the skill, the stupid old ugly defenders are just going to boot him off the park, and that happened today.

we had probs the two fastest players on the park out on the wings and very rare we used this for a strenght.

when we did use it, the cross came in and no one was in the box, we were slow at getting up and supporting there attack, hint why we had no shots on target.

Daal, think he was still drunk? if thats the case, i have no time for him, get ur arse in gear!

the new lad at right back, was looking good, he was getting stuck in!

am not to worried just yet, coyle knows this isnt a good start, i can see us getting better as the season goes on, the dream isnt over! We have only played 4 or 5 games so far, still another 30 to go!!


i am keeping the faith are you?

[malcolm]

although they were bad it would have been a different story if any of the 5 clear goal scoring opportunities had been taken.
What was most worrying was that there was no inventiveness, no flair, no ideas.
They really miss Jason and Mensing.
Alan Main was partly to blame for the goal and nearly gave away another one with a poor throw out.

[EastinWest]

Just back from the game.

On the positive side, in the first half we created enough chances to score at least two or three. Gary Irvine played well for a youngster making his debut and, well that's about it, I suppose at a stretch, Anderson was reasonably solid and most of their chances were just deflected freekicks or shots. Also, Clyde are not a good team, honest, they are really poor, we just could not finish and thus, they should finish below us in the league. Yes, it was that bad .

On the downside, what's the word limit on a post? To start with, up front. We knew pretty much for the whole of last season that Scotland was leaving and Milne was an injury doubt, why has it not been possible to identify at least one reasonable replacement (i.e someone who can hold the ball up or actually shoot on targetl)? Yes people will say we wanted Offiong, but he's still at Hamilton and we seem short of any other ideas. Stewart is not good enough, plain and simple. He got himself clean through more than once today, once he shot wide, the other time, it's no understatement to say he chipped the ball gently into the keepers arms, abject. We missed at least 4 other great chances, including an open goal today. Not good enough.

The midfield was non-existent. Sheerin was nowhere until we went behind, McInnes was not as bad as other games, but then can anyone tell me what he did that Moon could not? Too slow, too old. The wingers tried to do something, but for that tactic to be truly effective, you need to get them in one on one situations inside the opponents half from time to time. It's the central midfields job (in my view) to get the ball moving across the pitch swiftly to give them this space. Instead, because of the lack of mobility and playmaking, Stanic or Irvine had to run up their wing, pass it to Weatherston or Jinky around about the halfway line and they were promptly shut down by at least two players, result - a back pass, a niggly foul or ball given away. Yes, we miss Hardie, but we badly need some energy in there (again, we knew this all last season) and need someone willing to put their foot on the ball and dictate the game, how often did anyone see a midfielder put his foot on it (albeit a bit risky with Smith and his hungry feet flying about) and switch play or make space rather than just lofting it gently back to Clyde?

Defensively, we were reasonable, their goal was scrappy and unlucky on us, but apart from that, it was generally solid. I do think that as a team, we need to do more to earn the right to play football by grinding down the opponents and emphasising clean sheets first, goals second.

It is time to give Owen a chance to grow as a manager, see who he brings in next week, see if he punts the tired legs and gives Moon and Jackson a try and more importantly, figures out the answer to how to avoid the numerous performances like this we have seen this season and last. This could easily have been a game against Ross County, Airdrie or Clyde from last season. That is not good enough.

We will NOT win this league.

[lampshade]

dall was no where near the worst player on the park,he put alot of effort in and should never have been subed.stewart is garbage ,mcinnes and sheerin well they are just past it and i also think cuthbert should go back in goal.coyle has his wok cut out for him if he thinks this squad of players are going to challenge for this league remember this is the hardest league in britain never mind scotland to get out off

[MUZZ]

that was utter shit today. 11 players who look like they've never even met before.yeah, we should've scored in the first half but apart from that, the team took the piss out of those who travelled. not a happy bunny tonight. thank god i've got bevvy in my fridge ***

we need 4-5 good players in by end of august to even turn this around.

[Radford 72]

I was actually thinking today that Stephen Dobbie would improve us and he's not appreciated by me to say the least.

Stewart and Daal are an awful combination.
I'm no fan of Dobbie but he is infinitely better than those two. Positive is they are third and fourth choice if Savo and Peaso are fit and hopefully OC will get another striker in. Question is do we trust him to find better than those two.

This isn't meant to be doom and gloom - just an honest assessment of a dreadful afternoon and a very poor start to the season. We urgently need a striker who can score, and a playmaker in midfield.
Likewise, I don't want to be negative but there's no point in us pretending last season's team will return, we are struggling big style. 5 games without a win now, when was the last time last happened? Have to go back to February/March 2005 under Connolly.

I guess we could claim that Ruti, James, Hardie and Milne would all be in the first XI and Peaso and Goran weren't fit but still, we look well short of the quality required. Already the gap to the top is looking huge.

[SJC]

Daal wasn't just the worst player on the pitch, I'm sure a few of the supporters could have done a better job than him.

He is a terrible footballer- as well as the two misses he chested the ball down in the box then blasted it about 20 feet to high and ten wide of the goal.

How can anyone honestly say he wasn't the worst on the pitch today and isn't on of the worst players ever to put on a Saints shirt. What the hell will he do when he misses an open goal from TWO YARDS then misses when played clean through on the keeper!

[MUZZ]

daal was no worse than many others. just an easy target for the boo boys

[Radford 72]

Daal wasn't just the worst player on the pitch, I'm sure a few of the supporters could have done a better job than him.

He is a terrible footballer- as well as the two misses he chested the ball down in the box then blasted it about 20 feet to high and ten wide of the goal.

How can anyone honestly say he wasn't the worst on the pitch today and isn't on of the worst players ever to put on a Saints shirt. What the hell will he do when he misses an open goal from TWO YARDS then misses when played clean through on the keeper!
Agreed mate and said with no pleasure.

That's now against Ballymena and Brechin he's blasted over open goals from six yards and today's miss was the worst of the lot, he actually missed the ****ing ball! I'm struggling to remember many worse in a Saints jersey.

[Perth-Saint]

I have to say that was shocking today, Daal in my view was the poorest player on the park.

[SJFC1988,]

is daal that donkey that plays up front!

[Deek]

Poitives:

Irvine was improving the longer the game went on. Distribution was good. Looked promising.

Jinky will give anyone problems in this league. Needs a run in the team.

Stewart did ok given the service and playing with Daal. Think he'll score goals.

Think Coyle knows he needs a midfield playmaker to play alongside Hardie. Lets hope he gets his man.

On another day either/all of those 2-3 sitters could have been goals.

Today Clyde didn't look to me like a team destined for relegation.


Negatives:

Daal didn't look good enough.

Sheerin & McInnes looked past it.

Main looks a liability most of the time.

Defence was all over the place.

[SJFC1988,]

as i say this is our bad patch

[templeofsaints]

Temple reports up now but I can only echo what's been said - that performance was up there with the worst seen under Connolly. Too many players who are simply not good enough.

People may say we've still got the backbone of last season's side but they're all a year older. Stanic has been poor by his standards all season, Sheerin simply vanishes for long periods, McManus gets caught out too often and McInnes can't tackle, only foul the opposition (Moon did more running and passing in 20 minutes that McInnes has done all bloody season).

Scotland has not been replaced (how many of those sitters today would he have buried?) and with Savo out and Peaso off-form we need new strikers.

WTF was Ando playing at the left side of defence - IMHO he's a natural right-sided player and McManus should have moved over. Irvine was ok but didn't get forward too much and has a tendency to slide into tackles. As for Main, it's only a matter of time before one of his miskicks, mis-throws or runs out of the box cost us dear.

The only bright moments for me were McCluskey, a player who manages to read the game well, hold onto the ball and pass it at below head height. Weatherston was ok as well with a couple of good runs but he needs to do that a lot more in his game.

My main concern though was the tactics today - we had the worst strike pairing for heading ability in the whole of Western Europe and the smallest midfield so why the Scumdeeing Hell did we persist in constantly pumping high balls forward. Last season the strengths in the side came from patient skilful build up play on the deck - there has been little sign of that this year (ironically though we seemed to create some of our best chances today when the ball was on the deck).

I fully expect Partick and the Pars to beat us this week. We're crap in all areas of the park and there is little sign that Owen is willing to make the drastic changes required to the lineup (dropping McInnes and giving the likes of Moon or Dyer a run out would be a start). And if he doesn't get things working on the park soon, then it's only a matter of time before all the goodwill from last season vanishes and the fans call for his head. It's not something any of us want to see happen but at the same time I for one am not going to tolerate that sort of pish performance like today's having anything to do with St. Johnstone.

[SJFC1988,]

its dissappointing

[auld reekie saint]

I agree today was terrible but the answer doesn't lie in playing guys like Moon and Dyer.
We need 2 central midfielders and 2 players worthy of the name Striker.What price Offiong now?

[templeofsaints]

I agree today was terrible but the answer doesn't lie in playing guys like Moon and Dyer.
We need 2 central midfielders and 2 players worthy of the name Striker.What price Offiong now?

I agree we need new players but at the same time OC has to realise that constantly giving starting jerseys to underperformers makes him look like a crap manager to the fans. It's meant to be what competition for jerseys is about - players who are under-performing just now get dropped.

If McInnes starts this week does anyone honestly think he'll be up for what will be a hard 90 minutes against the Pars. Same goes for Stanic. Moon did well in pre-season and looked hungrier and more mobile when he came on today.

Stanic is simply not fit enough just now - he's mistimed loads of tackles in the last few games and needs a rest. That's a perfect opportunity for Dyer to come in.

[mainstand]

I agree we need new players but at the same time OC has to realise that constantly giving starting jerseys to underperformers makes him look like a crap manager to the fans. It's meant to be what competition for jerseys is about - players who are under-performing just now get dropped.


Whilst we do need a couple of new players you have to remember that there were 6 players in taht Saints side today taht were not there last season. Main, Irvine, Weatherston, Stewart, Dall, McCluskey.

Adding a striker that can finish and a midfielder is what i think we need, I don't think we have managed to replace scotland or Mensing yet. Think Imrie would be a great signing if we can get him.

[auld reekie saint]

I agree we need new players but at the same time OC has to realise that constantly giving starting jerseys to underperformers makes him look like a crap manager to the fans. It's meant to be what competition for jerseys is about - players who are under-performing just now get dropped.

If McInnes starts this week does anyone honestly think he'll be up for what will be a hard 90 minutes against the Pars. Same goes for Stanic. Moon did well in pre-season and looked hungrier and more mobile when he came on today.

Stanic is simply not fit enough just now - he's mistimed loads of tackles in the last few games and needs a rest. That's a perfect opportunity for Dyer to come in.

We were so bad today that I agree .The young lads couldn't do any worse.
However they are not the answer to our problems.Being realistic how many young lads have made it through the youth setup to the first team in recent years.Keigan is the only one I can think of and he was far more talented then any of the present young lads.
I would like nothing better that a group of young lads coming through the ranks but the present crop have yet to convince me.

[Radford 72]

Whilst we do need a couple of new players you have to remember that there were 6 players in taht Saints side today taht were not there last season. Main, Irvine, Weatherston, Stewart, Dall, McCluskey.

Adding a striker that can finish and a midfielder is what i think we need, I don't think we have managed to replace scotland or Mensing yet. Think Imrie would be a great signing if we can get him.
Fair point, and we were also missing James, Savo, Ruti, Willie McLaren and Hardie.

I'm excited about Kerkar to be honest. He won't solve the work-rate problem but he will over us something more creative. Striker is key, even if it's just until Savo is fit.

[Radford 72]

Quotes from Coyle are on the Clyde website...

"I hope to never see another match where we miss such chances. Clyde started well but the chances were beyond believe, not half chances but sitters. All credit to Clyde, they battled away well and have some good players.

"Clyde were fortuitous with the goal as we had four players around the ball and they defended valiantly late on. We were missing some players through suspension and injuries and did not get international clearance for another player (Kerkar?). But I have to say that didn't affect the result as Daal should have had a hat-trick and later on Stewart and Jackson both should have done better but we paid the price."

[BlairSaint]

Quotes from Coyle are on the Clyde website...

"I hope to never see another match where we miss such chances. Clyde started well but the chances were beyond believe, not half chances but sitters. All credit to Clyde, they battled away well and have some good players.

"Clyde were fortuitous with the goal as we had four players around the ball and they defended valiantly late on. We were missing some players through suspension and injuries and did not get international clearance for another player (Kerkar?). But I have to say that didn't affect the result as Daal should have had a hat-trick and later on Stewart and Jackson both should have done better but we paid the price."

Hmm excuses excuses.

[auld reekie saint]

Coyle's comments imply that the only real problem was missed chances.A bit insulting really as anyone could see our general play (and lack of ideas) was woeful.

[Zimmerman]

I wasnt at the game, and its like you dont even need too be at the game as you know whats comming, so why no change? I seen from the dundee game that sheerin and mciness will struggle this season, that the midfield is far too slow and dis-jointed and also that despite his effort stewart is 3-4 seasons from becoming a junior league footballer.

The soloution is obvious and has been said so many times its embarasing, especially on coyles behalf. It has been so long since we have had a central midfielder who creates and has drive?! I mean even when kids set up there champ man teams, they have a sitting midfielder and an attacking one, why not saints?

That aside, with hardie, james and savo back in the team I still think we are only short of a central midfielder and a striker and along with some much needed gelling and confidence we should have a team. But will these players come? Im not bothered when the transfer deadline is, because iv been waiting for a creative midfielder since coyle came. Like other people said he needs to start dropping the likes of peaso, sheerin, mcinness etc to make them fight for there jersey.

Im sure things will turn around...

[lethamsaintee]

Another display of what seems to be the norm now. Yes, we could have scored a couple in the first half, with easy chances being missed, but overall our play was poor.

We looked devoid of any ideas or a way to really open up Clyde. We made it easy for them and i fear that unless there is a very quick turnaround and an introduction of a natural "finisher" we are going to be knackered,

McInnes and Sheerin i am afraid simply dont have the legs to run the middle of the park and we must look to strengthen that area. Even in pre season i suggested we would be lucky to see an effective Sheerin this season. Coyle now needs to be brave and realise that although some of these guys have done well for him, there is no room for sentiment in football and he has to address the problem pronto or we will genuinely be fighting nearer the bottom this year.

I mean let us face the bare facts of our opening games of the season. Our opponents thus far have been, other than Dundee, the lesser lights of this division and to have only a 3 point haul is nothing short of a disgrace. Throw in a dismal performance at second division Raith in the Challenge Cup and you see a pattern starting to emerge.

I am not having a go at Coyle but he needs to wake up to the problems very quickly. Otherwise the decent work he has done in the previous two years will be for nothing.

[St Mikey]

I agree today was terrible but the answer doesn't lie in playing guys like Moon and Dyer.
We need 2 central midfielders and 2 players worthy of the name Striker.What price Offiong now?

Offiong probably 200k now maybe... Im a little worried bout kerkar tho. Another signing of an old player?! Maybe experience but hes no goin 2have the pace in midfield that mensing had. Time will tell.....

[templeofsaints]

Fair point, and we were also missing James, Savo, Ruti, Willie McLaren and Hardie.

I'm excited about Kerkar to be honest. He won't solve the work-rate problem but he will over us something more creative. Striker is key, even if it's just until Savo is fit.

At the same time we know James and Savo are meant to be out for a while and in Savo's case, the cover brought in by OC is simply not good enough. McLaren wasn't a regular starter last year and while I'd have Rusty in the team ahead of McManus, these aren't our main worries.

Our central midfield was left for dead for long periods today. And in 480 minutes of football this season our strikers have managed a collective total of one bloody goal.

I don't know if Kerkar will be the answer (he's not exactly been the name on everyones lips over the summer). At the same time apart from one obvious candidate in Offiong (and while he's on form just now he didn't seem that good when I saw him last year) there are very few other names being mentioned. Certainly none that would have the impact of the likes of a Scotland on the forward line.

[St. Paddy]

Offiong for that crap bag Stewart, Kerkar in for the seemingly past it Sheerin and Imrie as a replacement for Mensing. Moon for McMince. Dyer for the tired Stanic. A new centre back to prop up injury prone James. We just might avoid relegation yet! Seriously though we need a major over haul of a tired ageing squad. I have never been an advocate for sacking managers, they all have poor spells, and I think OC can turn this around, but will it be turned round soon enough to save the season?. At least we are not miles adrift of dunfy and meadowbank yet, cant see hamilton lasting the pace (especially if we steal their star player) and Dundee seem abit thin. 3 draws and a defeat are not championship form, but alarm bells are ringing.

[andrew]

Always thought last season's efforts led to unrealistic expectations, and that this wasn't going to be the season we all hoped for. Early days yet, I know, but a poor start that will take a while to recover from. Alan Main was poor against Clyde (who don't look like the worst team I've seen in this league). Central defence changes every week. No central midfield. No striker. No backbone. Weak from back to front. Good cup runs and indifferent league form. Are we turning into Airdrie?

[EastinWest]

Would just like to say that while Scotland is clearly a huge miss, it should be noted that in the first game at Broadwood last season he missed an easy one on one. In the same game, Milne volleyed over from 6 yards out. During that game, Mensing ran around trying his best to get sent off and this was just one off many games when he contributed little more than physical presence to the team (think Ayr United game at McDiarmid, worst player on the park by a mile that day).

However, it's still clear we need a new central midfield and a striker, Stewart and Daal will never be the answer, regardless of what the question is.

[7-2]

However, it's still clear we need a new central midfield and a striker, Stewart and Daal will never be the answer, regardless of what the question is.
I think you are being a bit unfair there. They could easily be the answer to the question...If we wanted to make sure we didnt get promoted this season who should we play up front? :?

[Aitchy]

Calm down, calm down!! Fair enough today was bad but im still hopefull that things will come good. At the moment the team probably is not good enough to win the league, but im pretty sure once Irvine settles in and when Kerkar and Imrie come in we will be a much better team, all of us probably need to lower our expections we have no right to stroll this league, we are viewed as a big team in this league, hence how every team trys their hardest against us, its a hard league. Dont worry about Hamilton, they dont have a big enough squad, Dundee will bottle it and Dunfermline still think they are a priemer league team, therefore i think they will not be challenging for the league. Owen Coyle is the man for the job, he is passionate, commited and the players are willing to work for him, the start has been bad, but come christmas we will have forgotten about it, bring on the Thistle on Tuesday.

[Corned Beef]

These are the sort of games we should be winning. It came down to having a late charge and missing out on promotion last season because of games that Saints should have won earlier in the season. It'll happen again this season probably, have any lessons been learnt? It's easy to forget Coyle is still quite an inexperienced manager.

[Broggy Man]

Look im not gonna use the managers cliche and yes we were missing key players. We are a small club and missing the players we were is going to hurt.

positives Gary Irvine looks like a player. He always looks play the ball and follow it looking for the return note central midfielders thats what you meant to do. I have that itching feeling that when we service and support strikers they will score. yes Daal missed a sitter yesterday but all strikers do. We played with two wide men but when you have inept crap in the middle of the park it doesnt matter. So come on its not all crap!!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Quotes from Coyle are on the Clyde website...

"I hope to never see another match where we miss such chances. Clyde started well but the chances were beyond believe, not half chances but sitters. All credit to Clyde, they battled away well and have some good players.

"Clyde were fortuitous with the goal as we had four players around the ball and they defended valiantly late on. We were missing some players through suspension and injuries and did not get international clearance for another player (Kerkar?). But I have to say that didn't affect the result as Daal should have had a hat-trick and later on Stewart and Jackson both should have done better but we paid the price."

Same old pish!!!!! Would be nice if he just said ."today we were rank rotten shite and got what we deserved".... Then told us it would never happen again and that he would sort it out. He would get much more credit for a bit of good old fasioned honesty ..

[7-2]

Wish folk would stop worrying and panicking and over reacting. How dare they criticise the club. There’s nothing wrong with the team. There cant be after what we did last season, which was the greatest ever.
Owen’s a brilliantly gifted manager who never makes mistakes, doesn’t sign bad or past it players and is tactically brilliant whilst Geoff is the greatest Chairman ever and is helped by a board who have put a lot of money into the club and contribute a lot more to our success . They don’t just say Yes Geoff all the time you know. Remember we are a small club from a small town and we should know our place.
Something will turn up. For a start we’re going to sign 2 players, Imrie and Offiong, because the papers and people on here say so therefore it must be true. They are bound to want to come to us because we are Saints. Everything will be alright after that and we will start playing well, winning games and will end up being promoted.
Now will you all just settle down and be quiet. I’ve got my slippers on and I’m away to get my pipe and settle down to read this week’s People’s Friend as soon as I find my bag of Wurthers Originals.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What a bunch of short sighted, head in the sand ostriches. Time to get real.

[SJC]

Coyles right in what he said about the missed chances, but that is an incredibly Connolly-esque thing to say, those two chances should definately not have been missed, but why the hell didn't we manage a shot on target throughout the whole game! Twice the strikers he signed in the summer were clean through but didn't manage a shot at goal- thats disgraceful.

He has to sort it out- forget Partick in the cup midweek because we should be concentrating on the league this year- cup semi finals are great for the bank balance but won't get us up to the top flight.

A cup run would show that the players are not interested in grafting and working hard during the league games and only in it for a chance to make a showing for themselves on the big stage ala cup ties last season against Rangers, Falkirk, Motherwell, Hibs and Celtic where the players all gave 100% commitment and ran themselves into the ground, I doubt any of them will have woken up this morning feeling that they are tired after giving their all yesterday.

[SlickDT]

Wish folk would stop worrying and panicking and over reacting. How dare they criticise the club. There’s nothing wrong with the team. There cant be after what we did last season, which was the greatest ever.
Owen’s a brilliantly gifted manager who never makes mistakes, doesn’t sign bad or past it players and is tactically brilliant whilst Geoff is the greatest Chairman ever and is helped by a board who have put a lot of money into the club and contribute a lot more to our success . They don’t just say Yes Geoff all the time you know. Remember we are a small club from a small town and we should know our place.
Something will turn up. For a start we’re going to sign 2 players, Imrie and Offiong, because the papers and people on here say so therefore it must be true. They are bound to want to come to us because we are Saints. Everything will be alright after that and we will start playing well, winning games and will end up being promoted.
Now will you all just settle down and be quiet. I’ve got my slippers on and I’m away to get my pipe and settle down to read this week’s People’s Friend as soon as I find my bag of Wurthers Originals.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What a bunch of short sighted, head in the sand ostriches. Time to get real.

I have to disagree. The teams rubbish, all coyle's signings are crap, Brown's done sod all for the club and we are doomed! :confused: :confused: :confused:

Changes are needed, but it's easy to dish out criticisms left, right and centre! Time for us to back the club.

[lethamsaintee]

Wish folk would stop worrying and panicking and over reacting. How dare they criticise the club. There’s nothing wrong with the team. There cant be after what we did last season, which was the greatest ever.
Owen’s a brilliantly gifted manager who never makes mistakes, doesn’t sign bad or past it players and is tactically brilliant whilst Geoff is the greatest Chairman ever and is helped by a board who have put a lot of money into the club and contribute a lot more to our success . They don’t just say Yes Geoff all the time you know. Remember we are a small club from a small town and we should know our place.
Something will turn up. For a start we’re going to sign 2 players, Imrie and Offiong, because the papers and people on here say so therefore it must be true. They are bound to want to come to us because we are Saints. Everything will be alright after that and we will start playing well, winning games and will end up being promoted.
Now will you all just settle down and be quiet. I’ve got my slippers on and I’m away to get my pipe and settle down to read this week’s People’s Friend as soon as I find my bag of Wurthers Originals.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What a bunch of short sighted, head in the sand ostriches. Time to get real.

Thankyou. Someone else who sees it the way it really is.

[monkfish]

Think folk are being a bit harsh on Daal. He missed a few easy chances, but at least he was getting himself into positions to get them. I can only really remember one decent chance Stewart made for himself. He also looked puffed at about the 60 min mark again, but that might be from having to chase punt up the field balls from our 'continental style of football'.
Mcinnes wasn't as obviously bad as he has been, because he just didn't do anything. Same goes for Sheerin.
Team as a whole doesn't look anything like a unit, as someone said they look like they've never played a game together.
Defence seems not too bad now, apart from whatever was going on with the goal, seemed like a miscommunication.
Main didn't do anything that made him seem better than Cuthbert, apart from running off his line for no reason every 5 mins, realising there was 2 defenders on the player to start with and he wasn't gonna make it anyway, then getting chipped. He's had a chip attempt made on him in every game this season, apart from maybe Dundee.
Whatever way you look at it Clyde are not a good team, but they could be arsed, and actually PASSED the ball about a bit. We didn't.
So aye, pretty pish.

[blueheaven]

I haven't had time to read through most of the posts on the thread, but yesterday was my first game since the Hamilton game at the end of last season so just thought I'd give my opinion. Up until yesterday, as a regular forum reader, I'd thought that everyone on here was really over-reacting. Now I'm not so sure. I thought we were an utter shambles yesterday - one of the worst Saints performances I can remember and also, I'm very sad to say, one of the worst Saints teams.

Again, bear in mind this is only based on one game, but right now I think Coyle's pre-season signings have been extremely poor and we are a shadow of last season's line-up. Bearing in mind that even with genuinely good players like Scotland, Mensing and Morais we were unable to win the league, so I struggle to see how we can now put in a challenge having replaced our departees with what look like significantly inferior players. Daal and Stewart were both awful. Our midfield was non-existant. The defence was constantly ropey. Main was a disaster. Peaso should have played - sure, he's not been scoring goals, but neither have the other strikers and at least he's a good footballer. I have no faith in Jackson to ever score goals for us - he's all well-intentioned effort and nothing else. Of our better players from last season who have stayed, many are now really getting on and are probably now sadly reaching the stage where their performances start to go downhill - I'm thinking of Stanic, Sheerin, McInnes.

I only really take some hope from knowing that we still have Hardie, Ruti, James and Savo who can come back in at some point and make us look a bit more like we did last season. But then again, as I've said, even last season we weren't good enough, and we needed to improve on that, not just struggle to tread water.

I did think Irvine looked quite promising. McCluskey is clearly very skilful but I have my doubts as to how effective he actually is. Weatherston was okay but not the player I'd been expecting from reading reports on here.

But, man for man, the line-up we fielded yesterday was no better than John Connolly's Saints line-ups, and if we play like that regularly we'll be fighting relegation.

[Ronaldo]

Wish folk would stop worrying and panicking and over reacting. How dare they criticise the club. There’s nothing wrong with the team. There cant be after what we did last season, which was the greatest ever.
Owen’s a brilliantly gifted manager who never makes mistakes, doesn’t sign bad or past it players and is tactically brilliant whilst Geoff is the greatest Chairman ever and is helped by a board who have put a lot of money into the club and contribute a lot more to our success . They don’t just say Yes Geoff all the time you know. Remember we are a small club from a small town and we should know our place.
Something will turn up. For a start we’re going to sign 2 players, Imrie and Offiong, because the papers and people on here say so therefore it must be true. They are bound to want to come to us because we are Saints. Everything will be alright after that and we will start playing well, winning games and will end up being promoted.
Now will you all just settle down and be quiet. I’ve got my slippers on and I’m away to get my pipe and settle down to read this week’s People’s Friend as soon as I find my bag of Wurthers Originals.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What a bunch of short sighted, head in the sand ostriches. Time to get real.
By posting the above you obviously believe the opposite. If we agree with you and are to be long sighted without our heads in the sand then -

I wish folk would worry and panic and overreact;
How dare they not criticise the club;
There’s nothing right with the team;
There is bound to be after what we did last season; which wasn't the greatest ever;
Owen’s not a brilliantly gifted manager who always makes mistakes, always signs bad or past it players and is tactically niaive;
Geoff is the worst Chairman ever;
He isn't helped by a board who have not put money into the club and never contribute anything to our success;
They always just say Yes Geoff all the time you know;
Remember we are a big club from a huge metropolitan area;
We shouldn't know our place;
Something will never turn up;
For a start we’re never going to sign 2 players, Imrie and Offiong, because the papers haven't said so, and people on here haven't said so, therefore it must be false;
They'll never want to come to us because we are Saints;
Everything will never be alright after;
We will never start playing well, but always losing games;
We will end up not being promoted;
Now will you all just get upset and be noisy.


................ I agree we should not accept order and our place but the signings stuff is just normal debate over potential or not signings. The rest sounds like natural reactionary outburst and just as head in the sand as the people you riticise. Life isn't that straight forward or black and white.


By the way people 30 years older than me used this quote and are now getting on - you will get older too. :) -

"I’ve got my slippers on and I’m away to get my pipe and settle down to read this week’s People’s Friend as soon as I find my bag of Wurthers Originals".

Anyway it's not exactly an accurate stereotype when most old people I know are all touring the world or buiding things yet we're all getting worked up by a bad start to the season, you were right to bring up Ostrich, head in the sand :)

[7-2]

Anyway it's not exactly an accurate stereotype when most old people I know are all touring the world or buiding things yet we're all getting worked up by a bad start to the season, you were right to bring up Ostrich, head in the sand :)
Thats your interpretation.

Its not only the old that have old or small minded attitudes.

[Ronaldo]

Its not only the old that have old or small minded attitudes.
You're right that''s what I'm saying.

I wouldn't say everything's wrong with the club though.

[7-2]

You're right that''s what I'm saying.

I wouldn't say everything's wrong with the club though.
Neither would I. I am saying though that its not nearly as rosie as a lot of people on here appear to think it is and its about time they woke up to that fact.

[a monkey]

I wouldn't say everything's wrong with the club though.

I wouldn't say everything's wrong, I just think that a lot of people seemed to think that we were going to walk the league this year.

However, last season we were an average team with 1 or 2 very good players. They have now moved on because we did not get promoted. This leaves us as just an average team.

Coyle's new signings seem to have done OK in pre-season against poorer opposition, making us think that we have immediately replaced said "very good" players, giving some kind of stupidly high expectations and confidence for the season ahead.

I can't see us going up this season because we are lacking that "quality" player like Jason was.

I still hope we can challenge, but unless some GOOD signings are made, midtable is all we can expect.

[Chuck Norris]

However, last season we were an average team with 1 or 2 very good players.
I'll give you Jason Scotland - who was the other one? Please don't say Mensing - as much as he has been missed at times, he was hardly in the same class.

[a monkey]

I'll give you Jason Scotland - who was the other one? Please don't say Mensing - as much as he has been missed at times, he was hardly in the same class.

point taken

[Ronaldo]

I can't see us going up this season because we are lacking that "quality" player like Jason was.
.
Yeah true some of us stuck by Jason but even he got five or six threads criticising him during the season entitled 'Jason Scotland'. :***: It was Coyle who thought very much of him in training at United and it was the club that noticed the loophole in the immigration status rules relating to Scottish football.

Everybody agrees things need to improve including the club and Coyle. The defence has gone 3-2-1-1 and so is improving, the attack has gone 3-2-1-0 so they are getting worse. Hardie was a miss and we need to rattle in the goals. Maybe we'll not win the league but we're not entitled to. I don't think any teams favourite at the moment including Dundee. Maybe we'll get a run of wins plus the odd draw. I am surprised that our first defeat was against Clyde since I knew they were going to get off the ground but not against us.