View Full Version : Partick Thistle vs. Saints 28/08/07
Radford 72
26-08-2007, 09:32 AM
Time for the players to give us a performance on Tuesday night. Yesterday ranked up there with the two Gretna debacles of the past couple of years, and the Thistle game at Firhill last season, and thankfully we bounced back after those with three wins, so the same at Firhill would be a relief. In saying that, I can't see it with the way we are playing and Thistle are on form at Firhill. They took a bit of a tanking yesterday - like Clyde before them - so will be looking to get back on track themselves.
If Dyer, Moon and Jackson don't get a shot now then they never will and it seems pointless wasting their time and ours. We can't just keep continuing with the same old faces and expecting them to turn it around. It's probably too much to expect a host of new faces but it would be a boost if Kerkar was on board.
I'd go:
Main
Irvine - McManus/Ruti - Ando - Dyer
Weatherson - Hardie - Moon - McCluskey
Peaso - Jackson
your team is bang on radford. maybe a cheeky wee new signing by then as well i hope ;)
templeofsaints
26-08-2007, 09:53 AM
Almost agree with your team Radford - I'd go with the Cat in goals though, and I'm unsure about the front pairing (no ideas what the best one would be though).
john1962
26-08-2007, 10:43 AM
I think we have to give Weatherston a try up front. That's where he played for Queen's Park to impress OC and we are desperate for goals. Try Irvine further forward, seemingly he can play there. Then if Ruti is fit Ando at right back.
SaintSam1884
26-08-2007, 11:00 AM
Weatherston is not a winger, time to accept that and finally play both him and McCluskey in their natural positions. It beggars belief when you have a striker playing on the right wing when we are struggling to score goals despite the fact that we have a natural right winger who is having to play on the left.
Yesterday was maybe an exceptional case since Hardie was suspended and the only other midfield option was Kevin Moon, but there's no way - in my mind - that we can continue punting McCluskey here, there and everywhere whilst Weatherston continues to underperform out of position. Give him a run up front and see how he goes.
SlickDT
26-08-2007, 11:24 AM
Would try a slightly different team on Tuesday- see if we can get a bit of passion going-
Main
Irivne-Anderson-Rusty-Dyer
McCluskey-Hardie-Moon/Kerkar(?)-Sheerin
Peaso-Weatherston
The Real Saints
26-08-2007, 11:29 AM
Would try a slightly different team on Tuesday- see if we can get a bit of passion going-
Main
Irivne-Anderson-Rusty-Dyer
McCluskey-Hardie-Moon/Kerkar(?)-Sheerin
Peaso-Weatherston
That is exactly the line-up I was about to suggest.
SlickDT
26-08-2007, 12:23 PM
That is exactly the line-up I was about to suggest.
great minds. . .
Rodgers
26-08-2007, 12:39 PM
Main
Irvine - McManus/Ruti - Ando - Dyer
Weatherson - Hardie - Moon - McCluskey
Peaso - Jackson
totaly agree, dropping mcinnes and sheering the oldies for the younger players is good! All three of them together will know that they wont get many chances in the first team this season, so they would have to play well if they started. And if they do play well, they could stay in the first 11. Good luck to the lads!
However, as much as i want dyer to get a game, stanic hasnt done much wrong.
BlairSaint
26-08-2007, 12:46 PM
Stanic should start, more solid performer than Dyer in my opinion.
^sainteebrian^
26-08-2007, 01:29 PM
Main
Irvine - McManus/Ruti - Ando - Lawrie
Weatherson - Hardie - Moon - McCluskey
Peaso - Jackson
and there we have a nice young team that will win the league
Zimmerman
26-08-2007, 01:46 PM
Personally I would go.
Main
Irvine Ruti Mcmanus Dyer
Mcluskey Moon Hardie Sheerin
Wetherston Peaso
Perth-Saint
26-08-2007, 02:12 PM
Cuthbert
Irvine Ruti Anderson Stanic
McCluskey Moon Hardie Sheerin
Weatherston Peaso
main
irvine ruti anderson dyer
weatherston hardie kerkar mccluskey
peaso offiong
The Real Saints
26-08-2007, 03:14 PM
main
irvine ruti anderson dyer
weatherston hardie kerkar mccluskey
peaso offiong
It's funny that with two new players in that line-up, it looks like a completely better team on paper.
In my opinion, all we need is a couple more signings - one hopefully being Kerkar, and the other being a decent striker, and then I will have a little more hope.
thommo
26-08-2007, 03:52 PM
MAIN
Irvine Ruti Ando Stanic
Mcklusky Hardie Moon Sheerin
Weatherston Jackson
Give the young lads a chance now! If they cant get a game when Saints are playing shite then when will they get a game? At least if things are not going well then they will give you some effort and fight.
Weatherston is not a winger, time to accept that and finally play both him and McCluskey in their natural positions. It beggars belief when you have a striker playing on the right wing when we are struggling to score goals despite the fact that we have a natural right winger who is having to play on the left.
Couldnt agree more!
Weatherston has had ONE good game on the wing this season, and that was down at Queens. The games after that he has offered little or no threat what so over. I think its time we play him in his natural position, especially considering we are needing a goalscorer!
Scobby_SJFC
26-08-2007, 05:41 PM
Anybody else going via underground?
If so I got off at St. Georges Cross last time, is this the best method?
john1962
26-08-2007, 05:50 PM
Anybody else going via underground?
If so I got off at St. Georges Cross last time, is this the best method?
Get the bus. 40 or 61 will take you right up the Maryhill Road
Cagey
26-08-2007, 08:27 PM
MAIN
Irvine Ruti Ando Stanic
Mcklusky Hardie Moon Sheerin
Weatherston Jackson
Give the young lads a chance now! If they cant get a game when Saints are playing shite then when will they get a game? At least if things are not going well then they will give you some effort and fight.
I go along with that statement . As for the team I would have Cuthbert in goal & Dyer for Stanic who is a good attacking fullback but is not a great defender. Lets build a team for the SPL, as the team OC is playing at the moment would not survive in the SPL provided they did make it.
Nairn Saint
26-08-2007, 08:42 PM
Personally I would start :
Cuthbert (Should get a start just to keep him ready)
Irvine, Ando, Ruti and Dyer
Lawrie, Moon, Hardie (C) (Needs the start) and McCluskey
Weatherston and Jackson
Radford 72
26-08-2007, 10:22 PM
Nairnzo, you've made a typo there. Not sure what you were trying to say but you've typed "Lawrie" at right midfield!
Nairn Saint
26-08-2007, 10:30 PM
Nairnzo, you've made a typo there. Not sure what you were trying to say but you've typed "Lawrie" at right midfield!
Several years back (the then) young Lawrie was a bit of a machine at right mid if my failing memory serves me. Worth a whirl in an experimental side.
^sainteebrian^
26-08-2007, 10:36 PM
Personally I would start :
Cuthbert (Should get a start just to keep him ready)
Irvine, Ando, Ruti and Dyer
Lawrie, Moon, Hardie (C) (Needs the start) and McCluskey
Weatherston and Jackson
so ur taking a right back and playing him right mid, when we have decent right mid playiong on the left here...................ok
so ur taking a right back and playing him right mid, when we have decent right mid playiong on the left here...................ok
he's already said it is an experimental line up
SaintSam1884
26-08-2007, 11:32 PM
As much as I love Saints, the performance at Clyde was difficult to take and I don't think I'm going to waste money I don't really have right now travelling to Glasgow on Tuesday night to watch another gutless performance. If we make a couple of signings before then then I might be tempted, but the way things stand at the moment, I can't justify it.
I'll probably go anyway though, in saying that. Shame on me.
Nairn Saint
26-08-2007, 11:37 PM
As much as I love Saints, the performance at Clyde was difficult to take and I don't think I'm going to waste money I don't really have right now travelling to Glasgow on Tuesday night to watch another gutless performance. If we make a couple of signings before then then I might be tempted, but the way things stand at the moment, I can't justify it.
I'll probably go anyway though, in saying that. Shame on me.
No shame in being a loyal supporter.
SaintSam1884
26-08-2007, 11:44 PM
No shame in being a loyal supporter.
Yeah, but if we play like we did against Clyde, I'll sit there and wonder why I bothered going! I can handle losing, just not in that manner.
Chansey
26-08-2007, 11:51 PM
Yeah, but if we play like we did against Clyde, I'll sit there and wonder why I bothered going! I can handle losing, just not in that manner.
Thats exactly how i feel. For the first time on saturday, i thought to myself 'why am i here?', it wasn't worth the time or money i don't have. I'll be there but only because come tuesday, i'll have forgotten about the low of Clyde, and will be fully optimistic of another 4 goals at Firhill.....false optimism it may be, but thats how it works.
As much as I love Saints, the performance at Clyde was difficult to take and I don't think I'm going to waste money I don't really have right now travelling to Glasgow on Tuesday night to watch another gutless performance. If we make a couple of signings before then then I might be tempted, but the way things stand at the moment, I can't justify it.
I'll probably go anyway though, in saying that. Shame on me.
see your point, i'm the same but i always end up going in case i miss something good. beats sitting watching shit on tv all night ***
andrew
27-08-2007, 10:10 AM
Let me see.....2-3 hours travel time, possible 2 hours match duration, cost of fuel £16, turnstile £16 (say) each for two, program, food, etc £12. Then there's the expectation and subsequent let down of the display at Clyde and the general standard of entertainment so far. What else could my son and I do with 4 -5 hours and £60? See a film, have a game or two of bowling and then go for a pizza/Chinese/steak? I would suggest that the entertainment and enjoyment of this alternative is much higher and the value for money positive, unlike watching most games in div one. I will only pay £50-£60 so many times and be the opposite of entertained before I decide to try something else. Giving this one a miss.
Scott Mc
27-08-2007, 10:39 AM
I'll be there :D
I dont care if we are sh*t
I dont care if there are SEEMINGLY better ways to spend my cash
I dont care that I am going to have to leave Dundee and Drive past my house to get to Glasgow and then drive back to Perth after, quite probably, another humping from a team that couldnt lick our boots last season.
So what dya expect me to do, gie up supporting them coz we have had 4 crap performances?!
One thing is for certain we may be bad now but I guarantee we will get a whole lot worse if folk start giving up at this very early stage. Players are getting a kicking on here but what about the Fickle fans?
Support them or dont its up to you but if everybody stops going where is the money for the 'Killer' signing coming from? (You know the one everybody is screaming for on other threads).
We are a small team with big ideas, lets try not to forget that.
We are Perth
We are SJFC
Thick or Thin, Better or Worse
Keep the Faith!
andrew
27-08-2007, 11:36 AM
I'll be there :D
I dont care if we are sh*t
I dont care if there are SEEMINGLY better ways to spend my cash
I dont care that I am going to have to leave Dundee and Drive past my house to get to Glasgow and then drive back to Perth after, quite probably, another humping from a team that couldnt lick our boots last season.
So what dya expect me to do, gie up supporting them coz we have had 4 crap performances?!
One thing is for certain we may be bad now but I guarantee we will get a whole lot worse if folk start giving up at this very early stage. Players are getting a kicking on here but what about the Fickle fans?
Support them or dont its up to you but if everybody stops going where is the money for the 'Killer' signing coming from? (You know the one everybody is screaming for on other threads).
We are a small team with big ideas, lets try not to forget that.
We are Perth
We are SJFC
Thick or Thin, Better or Worse
Keep the Faith!
I wasn't just talking about these last four games. Try last four seasons, apart from last year in patches.
Your loyalty is admirable and your endurance goes beyond mine - and that's not me being sarcastic or rude.
Scott Mc
27-08-2007, 11:51 AM
I wasn't just talking about these last four games. Try last four seasons, apart from last year in patches.
Your loyalty is admirable and your endurance goes beyond mine - and that's not me being sarcastic or rude.
I do appreciate your comment and largely agree with your points. I get no satisfaction from some of the displays we have had over the seasons, I just got this voice in my head saying it'll be better next week...
I am however receiving treatment for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and between therapy and blind faith in SJFC its costing me a fortune :***:
Let me see.....2-3 hours travel time, possible 2 hours match duration, cost of fuel £16, turnstile £16 (say) each for two, program, food, etc £12. Then there's the expectation and subsequent let down of the display at Clyde and the general standard of entertainment so far. What else could my son and I do with 4 -5 hours and £60? See a film, have a game or two of bowling and then go for a pizza/Chinese/steak? I would suggest that the entertainment and enjoyment of this alternative is much higher and the value for money positive, unlike watching most games in div one. I will only pay £50-£60 so many times and be the opposite of entertained before I decide to try something else. Giving this one a miss.
So good to see another forumer lives in the real world!!! You are 100% spot on Andrew.
I do appreciate your comment and largely agree with your points. I get no satisfaction from some of the displays we have had over the seasons, I just got this voice in my head saying it'll be better next week...
I am however receiving treatment for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and between therapy and blind faith in SJFC its costing me a fortune :***:
Good on you Scott. Weve all been where you are at some point in our Saints supportingg careers.
I know you are joking, but when you think about it, supporting a team could well be a form of OCD!
andrew
27-08-2007, 12:39 PM
I do appreciate your comment and largely agree with your points. I get no satisfaction from some of the displays we have had over the seasons, I just got this voice in my head saying it'll be better next week...
I am however receiving treatment for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and between therapy and blind faith in SJFC its costing me a fortune :***:
Thanks for that Scott, it made me laugh and goodness knows I could do with a laugh after Saturday.
andrew
27-08-2007, 12:43 PM
So good to see another forumer lives in the real world!!! You are 100% spot on Andrew.
Thanks 7 - 2. It has taken me many difficult and trying years watching Saints to develop such a mature and realistic perspective! :)
Dave H
27-08-2007, 12:51 PM
I will accept a loss for this game on the matter we can start to win league games again. However it is predictable that we will go and put on a good show and be comfortable winners. (leaving the questions why can we not do this in the league)
Has Thistle bubble burst already? A fistle season ticket holder last week believed they would win the league... ***
garydavidson
27-08-2007, 02:25 PM
Get the bus. 40 or 61 will take you right up the Maryhill Road
For the underground st georges cross is the best place to get off and just walk up maryhill road.
The 40 or 61 you can get at the back of the st enoch centre or anywhere up hope street and it takes you up maryhill road and not far from the stadium.
this will be only my second game of the season and i hope its better than the last time i wandered round the corner to that ground.
dont know what to expect which probably is the best way to go about it.
lampshade
27-08-2007, 06:34 PM
just one two tickets for the saints thistle game tomorrow,in the sunday mail competition smashing .
templeofsaints
27-08-2007, 06:46 PM
just one two tickets for the saints thistle game tomorrow,in the sunday mail competition smashing .
Don't tell me 2nd prize was 4 tickets :D
lampshade
27-08-2007, 06:52 PM
I am going ,,have offerd it to four people so far, and they have all refused.
Saintkev
27-08-2007, 08:41 PM
I am going ,,have offerd it to four people so far, and they have all refused.
If you are looking for a pie and bovril in exchange for said ticket to help a struggling to afford life Saintee, I'm yer man! ;-)
Scobby_SJFC
27-08-2007, 08:55 PM
Any of the west coast guys meeting up?
Me and my little cousin are just going the underground to St georges Cross then walk to the game tomorrow!
Lets make some noise and get the boys going!!
Scott Mc
27-08-2007, 10:23 PM
The game isnt ticket only is it?
The game isnt ticket only is it?
sold out during the week. big crowd for a change
BlairSaint
27-08-2007, 10:32 PM
How Many Tickets Were Sold ?
Calypso Kid
27-08-2007, 10:34 PM
Ha Ha Ha
How Many Tickets Were Sold ?
we got 2500. 10000 in total i think
Chansey
27-08-2007, 10:40 PM
never driven there before, not expecting too many problems finding somewhere to park, but is there a designated area, or just street parking?
I was very surprised to see a queue the length of the main stand at the ticket office today going for my ticket, several people getting turned away too...
BlairSaint
27-08-2007, 10:41 PM
we got 2500. 10000 in total i think
I was meaning for the raffle. :wink:
I was meaning for the raffle.:wink:
thats what i'm answering :)
BlairSaint
27-08-2007, 10:44 PM
we got 2500. 10000 in total i think
Quite a few then. :***:
Quite a few then. :***:
oh yeah, oh yeah ***
BlairSaint
27-08-2007, 10:48 PM
I was very surprised to see a queue the length of the main stand at the ticket office today going for my ticket, several people getting turned away too...
No Way. :shock: ha ha.
Radford 72
28-08-2007, 08:17 AM
never driven there before, not expecting too many problems finding somewhere to park, but is there a designated area, or just street parking?
Chasney, we usually park on the road above the stadium, running parallel to the away stand. The buses park there as well. Never had any problems.
templeofsaints
28-08-2007, 08:33 AM
We usually park down Maryhill Rd - easier to get out and head for the M8 home. There's never any trouble although we were held up a bit last visit due to the novelty of 70% of the home fans not walking out with 20 minutes to go and their team losing 4-0. :)
Saintkev
28-08-2007, 10:19 AM
Chasney, we usually park on the road above the stadium, running parallel to the away stand. The buses park there as well. Never had any problems.
Is that not a curry?!? :wink:
Hazel1884
28-08-2007, 10:26 AM
I'm actually fearing tonight. Not often i say that when the trip to Firhill is on the cards!
Will Owen drop a few players to give them a much needed kick up the arse? Has Owen done enough to get a reaction out of them after Saturday's defeat? Will someone step up and take control and lead the team to victory? Will Martin Hardie's return see us get the fight back in midfield? Will we have a blow up pig and a good ole sing song at Firhill? So many questions...
Chansey
28-08-2007, 12:45 PM
Chasney, we usually park on the road above the stadium, running parallel to the away stand. The buses park there as well. Never had any problems.
We usually park down Maryhill Rd - easier to get out and head for the M8 home. There's never any trouble although we were held up a bit last visit due to the novelty of 70% of the home fans not walking out with 20 minutes to go and their team losing 4-0. :)
Thanks for the advice. I'll prepare myself for the delays.....on the off chance we don't win by atleast four! :)
Radford 72
28-08-2007, 12:46 PM
Is that not a curry?!? :wink:
Dahl have you know it was just a typo!
I'm actually fearing tonight. Not often i say that when the trip to Firhill is on the cards!
Will Owen drop a few players to give them a much needed kick up the arse? Has Owen done enough to get a reaction out of them after Saturday's defeat? Will someone step up and take control and lead the team to victory? Will Martin Hardie's return see us get the fight back in midfield? Will we have a blow up pig and a good ole sing song at Firhill? So many questions...
I think we'll get turned over as well. Not sure why as OC is usually quite good at getting a reaction out of his players, just a gut feeling. Also reckon the Mental one is a red card waiting to happen tonight, you could sense his frustation in his quotes to the media this morning. He was also touting himself as a striker, which I'm not sure is going to endear him to Mssrs Daal, Stewart etc...
Atmosphere will be shit as well. Kev will get at me for saying that but no one seems up for this game.
Saintkev
28-08-2007, 01:29 PM
I reckon the atmosphere will depend on the players... if they come out fighting, then the fans will get a lift... Firhill is good for a sing-song if we are doing okay, so we do have a part to play... start off being up for it and backing them and see how it goes... though I can understand fans being flat, I'm just prepared for plenty of fights as fans take it out on their own chosen few targets of hatred, no matter what they do... boils my urine!
And I can state that I am up for it, always am, and missing that game (despite it being honking) has just whetted my appetite for more!
Scobby_SJFC
28-08-2007, 02:31 PM
Am up for it, up for singing up for a saints victory
Mon the Whites!!!
sainteegraham
28-08-2007, 02:35 PM
Reckon I'll settle for a narrow defeat if the performance is improved and Coyle shows signs of making some changes and getting the players motivated
saint_markperth
28-08-2007, 02:44 PM
Team for Tonight Shall be
..............................Main................ ...........
Irvine......Ando............McManus..........Goran
McClusky..Hardie.........McInnes............Sheeri n
....................Stewart...Peaso............... .......
But i personally would go with
..............................Cuthbert............ ...............
Irvine......Ando............Rusty..........Goran
McClusky..Hardie.........Mooner............Sheerin
....................Jacko......Peaso.............. ........
sainteegraham
28-08-2007, 02:49 PM
Team for Tonight Shall be
..............................Main................ ...........
Irvine......Ando............McManus..........Goran
McClusky..Hardie.........McInnes............Sheeri n
....................Stewart...Peaso............... .......
But i personally would go with
..............................Cuthbert............ ...............
Irvine......Ando............Rusty..........Goran
McClusky..Hardie.........Mooner............Sheerin
....................Jacko......Peaso.............. ........
agree, but I woudl go with Daal instead of Peaso
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 02:53 PM
I think Coyle will field a similar team to Saturday, except with Peaso in for Daal and Hardie in for McInnes.
Scobby_SJFC
28-08-2007, 02:54 PM
Reckon I'll settle for a narrow defeat if the performance is improved and Coyle shows signs of making some changes and getting the players motivated
Never settle for a defeat against PT, positive thinking
Mon the Saints!!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 03:28 PM
Missed the Clyde game on Saturday, but have heard all the gory details. An improved performance wold be good but surely a win is a must for confidence especially with a big game on Sunday coming up.
No extra time would be a big bonus, but at least we have the extra recovery time if it were to happen!
Scobby_SJFC
28-08-2007, 03:49 PM
Is it ET and pens tonight if needed? better not or am screwed for getting home!
Radford 72
28-08-2007, 04:15 PM
Is it ET and pens tonight if needed?
Yes, it is. Challenge Cup and CIS Cup are extra-time and PKs. Scottish Cup is replays. The wee ball boy at Stark's Park didn't realise this though, as he grabbed the corner flag after 90 minutes of the game against Raith Rovers!
Scobby_SJFC
28-08-2007, 04:38 PM
Right am off to get the train to Glasgow!
C'Mon the saints!!!
dan the saint
28-08-2007, 06:53 PM
Cuthbert
Irvine Ruti Anderson Stanic
McCluskey Moon Hardie Sheerin
Weatherston Peaso
same
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 07:43 PM
Line up from Sky Sports;
Alan Main
Gary Irvine
Goran Stanic
Allan McManus
Steven Anderson
Kevin Moon
Derek McInnes
Martin Hardie
John Stewart
Paul Sheerin
David Weatherston
Subs:
Andy Jackson
Peaso
Jamie McCluskey
Andy Lawrie
kevin Cuthbert
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 07:45 PM
Great to see Moon getting a chance. Shame there is no place in the squad for Dyer.
Come on the Saints!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 07:47 PM
No Daal in the squad at all tonight, any word of an injury or is this a message to him to get his game together?
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 07:47 PM
I can't really see what our line-up is tonight..
Maybe -
Main
Irvine McManus Anderson Stanic
Weatherston McInnes Moon Sheerin
Hardie Stewart
Or maybe Hardie's on the right with Weatherston up front?
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 07:50 PM
Think you're right. Can't tell with Hardie/Weatherston as both can be played in each position. Sure someone will enlighten us later on!!
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 07:55 PM
I hope Liam Buchanan doesn't score as I suggested he might have been worth looking at when on trial at ICT!
mainstand
28-08-2007, 07:59 PM
Another option:
Alan Main
Gary Irvine Allan McManus Steven Anderson
Kevin Moon Goran Stanic
Paul Sheerin Derek McInnes Martin Hardie
David Weatherston John Stewart
Pity no McLuskey i thought he played well on saturday
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 08:06 PM
Dundee 1-0 down!
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Gretna 1-0 down to Cowdenbeath!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Gretna losing!! 1-0
rammsteinally
28-08-2007, 08:08 PM
cowdenbeath 1 nil up
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Beaky and the Blue Brazil boys one up on Gr£tna!
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 08:09 PM
Hamilton losing to Berwick! Let's hope there's yet another shock result at Firhill tonight. ;)
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 08:09 PM
I typed that as fast as I could as well!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 08:10 PM
Anyone would think there was a dislike towards Gr£tna!!!
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 08:11 PM
Anyone would think there was a dislike towards Gr£tna!!!
:***:
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 08:13 PM
Falkirk 1-0 down to Montrose!
Oh, it says 1-0 to Montrose on Sky Sports, but it says Higdon scored the goal.. I'm confused.
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 08:13 PM
Just looking at the prediction league and you can see the affect the results have had on the entries. 70 odd the first week down to 40 odd tonight :shock:
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 08:14 PM
Hamilton have levelled and it looks like Falkirk may be 1-0 up, with some crazy reporting by sky sports.
Jamie_Beatson
28-08-2007, 08:32 PM
Mate at the game says: "Have we been this tired and uninterested in the last few games? We can't string two passes together and just hoof it up the park all the time. It's gash."
Dear oh dear
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 08:35 PM
Problem is, the more the players confidence decreases, the more that this type of football will probably happen.
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 08:36 PM
...and dundee have equalised.
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 08:38 PM
I honestly believe a win ASAP of any description will help dramatically.
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 08:39 PM
Once we win, it's very likely that good results will begin to occur much more regularly. It's always the case. That's why we so desperately need a win sooner rather than later.
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 08:41 PM
half time 0-0
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 08:42 PM
On penalties, doesn't really count! :P OK, once we beat a team in our own division then! ;)
emptyheed
28-08-2007, 08:46 PM
0-0 HT
mate at game says its been a dire 1st half
"no spark" and nobody seems like they want to win the game
not even any chances to speak of...
c'mon the saints!
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 08:51 PM
Just sound fecking dandy ..Gutted I,m not there but stuck in the comfort of my own hoose
Come on Saints ..Get the finger out for Christ sake
were blue were white.......
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:00 PM
....were fukin dynamite, super saints, super saints:p
we're Blue, We're White
we Cant Be @rsed Tonight
typical Saints
typical Saints
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:02 PM
true
Gaz9274
28-08-2007, 09:02 PM
Gretna 1 - 1
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:03 PM
2-1 livi
Gaz9274
28-08-2007, 09:03 PM
2 -1 livi
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:08 PM
Oh oh, there's been a sub! For Partick! Stephen Conner for Adam Strachan. Forgive me for getting excited but it's the first thing that's happened in the game!!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:08 PM
Hamilton 2 Berwick 1 Wake in 55 mins
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:10 PM
macdonald on for moon
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:10 PM
Peaso on for Moon in 57 mins.
Steve Maskrey
28-08-2007, 09:10 PM
Peaso on for Moon
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Mooners chance come and gone...Peaso on (57 mins)
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 09:11 PM
It will now be
Main
Irvine McManus Anderson Stanic
Weatherston Hardie McInnes Sheerin
Stewart Peaso
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:12 PM
morais just scored 4 hibs
Steve Maskrey
28-08-2007, 09:12 PM
Morais scored for Hibs
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:12 PM
morais scores for the hibees
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:14 PM
It,s like fastest finger first. Some of you guys should be getting on to Who wants to be a millionaire (not you Nairn Saint) Win the cash buy offiong problems over..
Steve Maskrey
28-08-2007, 09:14 PM
Jacko on for Stewart
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:15 PM
jackson on for stewart
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:15 PM
Steve Maskrey beat me to it
Steve Maskrey
28-08-2007, 09:16 PM
East Fife 1-0 up against St.Mirren!
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:17 PM
morecambe 1 up against wolves
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 09:18 PM
Morias for Hibs!
(Just my wee joke :***:)
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:18 PM
were the only game with no goals in the cis cup tonight!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:19 PM
berwick equalise v hamilton
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:20 PM
dunlop for queens
Saintly Child
28-08-2007, 09:20 PM
This is torture.:(
Indicator
28-08-2007, 09:20 PM
Wonderful, Fantastic, Excellent - Morias has made my night I'm now going to sign off having enjoyed another wonder evening of footballing bliss !!!! :neutral:
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:20 PM
yup
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:22 PM
Morias for Hibs!
(Just my wee joke :***:)
Quicker than usual:D
Indicator
28-08-2007, 09:26 PM
You might also be interested to know that Lincoln Ruston Bucyrus reserves drew 0-0 with Granthan Pipe Welders 'A' team which in terms of surprise results will go down as a major upset!!
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:29 PM
intersesting
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:33 PM
Notts forest came abandond at half time due to referees decision????????
Whats that all about???
Moray Blue
28-08-2007, 09:34 PM
Notts forest came abandond at half time due to referees decision????????
Whats that all about???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_cup/6963502.stm
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:34 PM
Notts forest came abandond at half time due to referees decision????????
Whats that all about???
See the Puerta thread in fitba chat for details.....
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:37 PM
Gretna score....2-1
The Real Saints
28-08-2007, 09:38 PM
3-1 now
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:38 PM
2-2 scumdee
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:38 PM
dundee equalise v livi. lyle pen in 86 mins
Steve Maskrey
28-08-2007, 09:38 PM
342 is the crowd at the Gretna game
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 09:38 PM
Gr£tna crowd 342!
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:39 PM
hahahaha
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:40 PM
Wow .Even by their standards thats really really shite.PMSL
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:41 PM
Gr£tna crowd 342!
See, that's what happens. The atmosphere and pressure from the crowd for Gr£tna to perform must have been too much for the players. Hence why they went a goal behind!!
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 09:42 PM
342 is the crowd at the Gretna game
317 in the Cowdenbeath end!
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:43 PM
Not even a booking in the game...Is it getting played or is this just fantasy????
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:43 PM
ha, only 25 gretna fans
rammsteinally
28-08-2007, 09:44 PM
surprised no motherwell fans went to see their 2nd team
342 is the crowd at the Gretna game
It''ll also be their ticket incentive at their next 'home' game!
Just as well Cowdenbeath took a big support with them. :***:
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:45 PM
First no wins, then no goals, then a game with no bookings! What is going on!?!?! :shock:
Shaggy Jenkins
28-08-2007, 09:46 PM
St mirren beaten by east fife!!!!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:46 PM
3rd Div leaders East Fife knock SPL St Mirren out 1-0
Indicator
28-08-2007, 09:46 PM
In the Codwalloper's Insurance Cup - Gretna move into a 3-1 lead and in the real world the LIB DEMS announce a total ban on cars. (oops sorry - Petrol Cars).
And I've had too many cans of Ohlsson's so I'm calling it a day.
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:50 PM
Do you think McCluskey will be brought on at the beginning of extra time? Fresh legs, quick, should work against a tiring defence?
jazzer
28-08-2007, 09:51 PM
Offiong was taken off after 33 mins. Maybe we signed him and OC wanted him off:)
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 09:52 PM
Do you think McCluskey will be brought on at the beginning of extra time? Fresh legs, quick, should work against a tiring defence?
Makes sense, so probably no.
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 09:53 PM
Offiong was taken off after 33 mins. Maybe we signed him and OC wanted him off:)
Maybe he's done his cruciate, if so there's every possibility!
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:53 PM
maidstone utd 2-0 carshalton ath.
SJFC1988,
28-08-2007, 09:54 PM
make tht 3-0
Ray Blair
28-08-2007, 09:58 PM
Booking at Firhill....action at last!
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 09:58 PM
We have a booking! Steven Anderson after 99 mins! First action of any note on the night!
perthsaint1884
28-08-2007, 09:58 PM
Must be geting fired up now anyway........
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 09:58 PM
Wey-Hey a booking at last. get in there Ando.........
Ray Blair
28-08-2007, 09:59 PM
fastest finger first!
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 09:59 PM
We have a booking! Steven Anderson after 99 mins! First action of any note on the night!
Hopefully for kicking McInnes up the erse!
i'm kind of glad i didnt waste any money going tonight. sounds pretty damn grim ***
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 10:01 PM
i'm kind of glad i didnt waste any money going tonight. sounds pretty damn grim ***
I think that, and the fact there were quite a few upsets on the cards are why there are so many updates from other games!
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 10:01 PM
fastest finger first!
We have a winner...Your only 15 questions away from Saints scoring
mainstand
28-08-2007, 10:03 PM
Hopefully for kicking McInnes up the erse!
Based on your ESP from a hundred miles plus away!!
saint_markperth
28-08-2007, 10:04 PM
unsporting behaviour, Weatherston off mcluskey on
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 10:05 PM
Based on your ESP from a hundred miles plus away!!
Check my previous posts regarding McInnes. I don't like him.
Broggy Man
28-08-2007, 10:09 PM
Penelties then sheesh again
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 10:10 PM
Ray Blair in the chair
Question 1. who,s the worst player in thr Perth ST.Johnstone team;
A. Andy Lawrie
B Derek McKinnes
C. Dyron Daal
D All of them
mainstand
28-08-2007, 10:10 PM
Check my previous posts regarding McInnes. I don't like him.
You surprise me!! I would never have known.
Saintly Child
28-08-2007, 10:11 PM
I spy with my little eye?
The ghost of Jim Morton
28-08-2007, 10:11 PM
Ray Blair in the chair
Question 1. who,s the worst player in thr Perth ST.Johnstone team;
A. Andy Lawrie
B Derek McKinnes
C. Dyron Daal
D All of them
Don,t know why that went intwice..Think even the computers giving up the ghost
Dunfermline Saint
28-08-2007, 10:15 PM
We've done it before, we can do it again!!!
Ray Blair
28-08-2007, 10:15 PM
B Permatan man
Ray Blair
28-08-2007, 10:16 PM
B Derek McInnes
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 11:31 PM
I feel very sorry for the supporters who travelled through to Glasgow and suffered that disappointment.
What next for our heros?
Chuck Norris
28-08-2007, 11:35 PM
For someone that experienced, I thought McInnes was a disgrace tonight. No sooner had he missed the spot-kick, he saved his fastest sprint of the evening straight down the tunnel - as his team-mates consoled themselves in the centre circle. Pathetic.
Saints didn't start playing until the 80th minute or thereabouts and still didn't put all that much into it. Partick looked all right but have the same trouble trying to score as we do at the moment!
Euanwilkie
28-08-2007, 11:36 PM
are we ever gonna win a game again?
garydavidson
28-08-2007, 11:37 PM
aged heroes? i only live round the corner so only took a few minutes to get there.
The team never really got going but did control much of extra time.
very weak down the left hand side tonight with only the right giving some pace.
I thought the best team was when peaso and jackson played up from with the mullet on the wing being replaced by mccluskey who did well enough when he came on.
Mcinnes is too old for this our midfield did its vanishing act as it got stretched and i never thought we were going to get a shot on goal.
Overall i prefer it was penalties we went out on rather than during the game after the first half we never really deserved to lose but im not sure we deserved to win too much either.
probably best we are out of the cup so we can try and get the league sorted. but they just look like the shadow of the team from last season time to let the experience be passed to some fresher, younger, hungrier faces.
^sainteebrian^
28-08-2007, 11:38 PM
its looking grim.
McInnes AWAY, i don't actually see why hes kept
garydavidson
28-08-2007, 11:40 PM
he is too slow and if someone skins him he tries to drag him down then starts shouting about it.
Nairn Saint
28-08-2007, 11:41 PM
Check my previous posts regarding McInnes. I don't like him.
Hey Mainstand, maybe you're right about the ESP!
Poor result, no doubt about it.
St Johnstone just cant score goals. It looks from here like the same old central midfield problems again ala the Stark era.
You cant win games with shit central midfielders. They should be on the ball more than anyone in any other position.
Hardie sounds ok going forward, so why cant OC get someone to sit in behind him?
This is going to be another painful season I fear.
garydavidson
28-08-2007, 11:46 PM
oh and one other thing that really got to me tonight - why do none of the players have the correct studs on for a wet pitch with long grass?
jackson fell over more times than bambie.
SaintSam1884
29-08-2007, 12:00 AM
Coyle dropped Daal, put Weatherston up front and then played Stewart whilst Peaso warmed the bench. As if that wasn't bad enough, McCluskey also started on the bench whilst KEVIN MOON played right midfield. Good one. Words fail me.
We ended the match with the team that should've started it, Weatherston had to go back on the wing but did well whilst Jackson and Peaso came on upfront and made us look dangerous. Both players are capable of holding the ball up, whereas John Stewart doesn't look like he could hold a ball with his hands. First half was something to forget. We came back into it more in the second and we were creating some good chances for ourselves, using our pace a little better and came close to scoring on a number of occasions. We probably just shaded extra time too.
Penalty misses were pretty disappointing, but I can handle a defeat like that since we did play reasonably well in the second. Coyles initial line up choices leave a lot to be desired though.
templeofsaints
29-08-2007, 12:04 AM
For someone that experienced, I thought McInnes was a disgrace tonight. No sooner had he missed the spot-kick, he saved his fastest sprint of the evening straight down the tunnel - as his team-mates consoled themselves in the centre circle. Pathetic.
Saints didn't start playing until the 80th minute or thereabouts and still didn't put all that much into it. Partick looked all right but have the same trouble trying to score as we do at the moment!
Couldn't agree more about McInnes - especially since he was skipper tonight.
Far too many of the experienced heads are hiding too easily - Hardie was poor, Sheerin has become Mr Invisible for long spells and Stewart is just rubbish.
Only pluses for me tonight was seeing the likes of Weatherston, Jacko and Moon at least fighting for the ball - too many of the rest seemed happy to stand by and just watch the game. Well if they want that they can bloody well pay and sit in the stand.:evil:
101 Saint
29-08-2007, 12:05 AM
Aye, Saint Sam has summed it perfectly.
Big shout for Gary Irvine and Steven Anderson who were great tonight whilst Main looked far better tonight. Weatherston ran his socks off and deserves praise but Owen was surely too late in switching him for Jinky who was left puzzled by his non-appearance at the end of the 90 minutes.
Overall, an improvement... so much more is needed.
Ironically, I suppose we scored 4 again. :sad:
SaintSam1884
29-08-2007, 12:22 AM
Hardie was poor first half but perked up in the second and came onto a bit of a game toward the end. I'd certainly agree with the general feeling on McInnes. I actually think Moon looks ready to have a go in the middle, he's got bottle, something we need at the moment.
I'm gutted that Weatherston had to play upfront with that no-hoper Stewart.
Real Madrid
29-08-2007, 12:23 AM
I definitely saw some signs of improvement tonight but then after Saturday that would not be hard.
On the plus side Irvine looks a good player and confident on the ball. I know he lost it once and missed a penalty. Ando and Weatherston fought for every ball and Goran looked more his old self, but it was well into the second half before we had a shot on target and we are not going to win games playing like that
There were also long spells where we held on to the ball, however there is no pleasing some who moan when its punted forward and then moan because we are holding on to the ball and not getting it forward quick enough. Remember if the other team are chasing the ball a space may open up
templeofsaints
29-08-2007, 12:29 AM
The problem is when we hold onto the ball too long, we inevitably get closed down and apart from McCluskey, I don't think any of our players actually have the ability to dribble their way out of trouble.
We didn't punt the ball as much tonight but at the same time we were still far too slow getting forward. How many times was a pass delayed or played back when a break was on? How many times did the likes of Weatherston get up and play a cross into the box only for players like Stewart to still be meandering their way up from the halfway line.
soulfulsaint
29-08-2007, 12:29 AM
Irvine was good and so to was weatherston other than that i'm off to bed in the huff. even i can't be bothered with the optimist thread tonight. see you at dunfermline. c'mon saints
Wasn't there but it seems like the final straw really. Coyle had better get the mess sorted and sorted bloody quickly. Get McInnes to fek! Waste of a bloody wage! All the mistakes Coyle made last year are being made again. He doesn't seem to learn from them!
His signings have been shite, and if I was Brown I wouldn't trust him with giving him a decent amount of money! Starting to wish he had buggered off to Motherwell and we got £150k Could have got us Neil Warnock! I bet he was "real" contacts. ;)
Real Madrid
29-08-2007, 12:38 AM
The problem is when we hold onto the ball too long, we inevitably get closed down and apart from McCluskey, I don't think any of our players actually have the ability to dribble their way out of trouble.
We didn't punt the ball as much tonight but at the same time we were still far too slow getting forward. How many times was a pass delayed or played back when a break was on? How many times did the likes of Weatherston get up and play a cross into the box only for players like Stewart to still be meandering their way up from the halfway line.
Let the ball do the work. no player can move faster than the ball so if we are moving the ball about (as we tried to do for a period) we don't need players to dribble their way out of trouble.
But to play that way you need to be confident in everyone's ability and I for one am not !
Chansey
29-08-2007, 12:57 AM
Aye, Saint Sam has summed it perfectly.
Big shout for Gary Irvine and Steven Anderson who were great tonight whilst Main looked far better tonight. Weatherston ran his socks off and deserves praise but Owen was surely too late in switching him for Jinky who was left puzzled by his non-appearance at the end of the 90 minutes.
Overall, an improvement... so much more is needed.
Agree with pretty much all of this 101. Although we were not a shade on some of last seasons stuff, improvement was apparent tonight, or atleast after the first half. During spells, all be it short spells, we looked as if we were ATTEMPTING to play football, stringing a few passes together, rather than aimlessing punting the ball to the oppo backline. Defence has certainly firmed up, compared to back at Queens and Stirling, Ando's return is key to this IMO. Mains kicking was no too bad either....;) However, we are still very much lacking in the final third, Stewart is rank, and offers nothing. Looking back at Queens where we played some decent stuff, scored three, and lost due to pish poor football...it is now (almost) an entirely different story we are begginning to defend but can't score for shit. It's a shame we've hardly even attempted to buy a goal though....
dave.j
29-08-2007, 02:38 AM
hi folks, i've not been on since the thistle sickness epidemic of last season. and i've not come to say anything other than thanks for a really entertaining night tonight, both teams served up a great game for the neutral, if every nil nil draw was like that scottish football would be great.
i thought we dominated for about the first 70 until your guys fitness started to show above ours. i thought rowson and our left winger murray were our best players tonight then another new face, the big lad keegan up front. for you guys hardie was outstanding, he had archibald in his back pocket for most of the night. i'd get mcinness the fck out of there quick smart tho'... he was awful for the whole game, then his actions after the penalties were a disgrace, from what i remember he went straight down the tunnel, not even the slightest notion to clap your travelling support. (210 of you by the way).
for a game that had so much end to end football and so many shots, i don't remember that many that were on target, well except for the one tuffey pulled off a great save to put round the post, but we still managed to get a goal kick!!!
thought the refereeing was terrible, only 2 bookings the whole match?
i don't think you guys are as bad as what you may believe, hopefully it will come good for you, cause god knows i hate dundee and i hate to say it but they are quite a bit ahead of you guys just now, from what i've seen.
anyway, best of luck for the rest of the season, i'll be happy for mid table safety and to continue playing entertaining football... it's night and day compared to what we had to endure under the dick.
The ghost of Jim Morton
29-08-2007, 06:04 AM
B Derek McInnes
Correct.
pavel
29-08-2007, 06:43 AM
its looking grim.
McInnes AWAY, i don't actually see why hes kept
Coyle's friend and neighbour.
Why else?
Surely he can't be that blind?
unless we get a few signings in, this season is ****ed.
not long til the scotish cup though ***
Radford 72
29-08-2007, 07:54 AM
The game changed totally when we introduced our best striker, who to be fair to Coyle has been carrying an ankle knock and hasn't been playing well. He bounced back in style last night though and showed that you have to let your proven strikers play through little periods of poor form. We were a different team with MacDonald and Jackson on the pitch and finally turned the match into a contest when they came on. Thistle did tire though because they'd pressed us all over the pitch for the first hour, whereas the work ethic of our guys had been non-existent again. When Thistle tired and we were allowed to play some football it turned into a right good game, although it might have been a bit harsh if we'd won in normal time.
Thistle look a dangerous side but the poor finishing has to be a worry. They dominated the first hour but the closest they came was Murray smacking the post after a suicidal error by Gary Irvine. Regarding Murray, who deservedly got MoM - although he's a niggly wee shite - if a neutral was there and told the background to Murray and Connor, which one would they pick as the Everton player? Connor was almost as bad as John Stewart, and that's saying something. If we get a striker before the deadline then it's still Peaso and Jackson to start on Sunday, with the new guy on the bench and Daal and Stewart in the stand.
Was gutted to lose last night though and left the ground thinking about the first hour but looking back now am just pleased we saw a bit more from Saints in the last hour, even if it was down to Thistle tiring. Still massive problems in the midfield but nice to see the defence keep a clean sheet, even if it is the most pressure we've been under this season. I don't think I've seen a better side than Thistle this season.
As for the PKs, we had to lose one eventually but it's disappointing when you get two chances to win it. McCluskey's PK summed up our night, some of our players looked like they were playing on an ice rink!
templeofsaints
29-08-2007, 08:22 AM
As for the PKs, we had to lose one eventually but it's disappointing when you get two chances to win it. McCluskey's PK summed up our night, some of our players looked like they were playing on an ice rink!
At least his went in the net though.
Kevin
29-08-2007, 08:45 AM
McInnes should be slung out for his childish reaction to his penalty miss!! To just run of the park without having the decency to go back to his team-mates especially as he was the captain last night is disgusting. Not often I write this sort of stuff on the open forum but he really incensed me last night!
Thought the defence played well to contain the Jags but Murray had free rein down the wing and that nearly lost us the game, only Thistle's ineptitude in front of goal (which was not as bad as ours!) saved us. Thought we were going to mug them in the first period of extra time but.......
Moon was way out his league last night and Jackson needs to practice more with his scoring, especially from the spot! Stewart, was he playing at all last night?
Saintkev
29-08-2007, 10:33 AM
Few points, without reading the thread...
Defence looked reasonable... Irvine and Ando especially.
Midfield were very poor... what a total waste of Kevin Moon (out right)... he's a central midfielder and at the moment a damn-site better than McInnes!
Why persist so long with such a toothless attack and so long without McLuskey, who is one of the few wholooks like he can cause problems.
And finally, what the fook were the players playing in? Every single one of them slipped at some point when trying to change direction!! First half, faire enough, there's nothing you can do, but sort it out at half-time as it rarely affected Thistle!
Disappointing stuff, especially as Thistle were nothing special except for that tricky left-winger guy, and even then his final delivery rarely put us under great pressure.
garydavidson
29-08-2007, 10:34 AM
from the official site
"Rowson's good spot-kick made it sudden death, and a cool-as-you-like
chip shot from McCluskey restored parity."
haha sliding on your arse is not really cool-as-you-like in my books.
I still cant remember many times under coyle where we have had a midfield.
sheerin is good but i think we need some pace on the left like we have on the right so we can stretch teams like partick did to us.
The Real Saints
29-08-2007, 10:42 AM
its looking grim.
McInnes AWAY, i don't actually see why hes kept
Brian, think about it. If McInnes is released, we don't have many other options for the centre of midfield. I know he's dreadful, but Coyle hasn't, as of yet, made any signings for that area of the park. Something must be done immediately.
Saintkev
29-08-2007, 10:54 AM
Brian, think.
Good point! :wink:
Jamie_Beatson
29-08-2007, 11:00 AM
I'd love to hear why Moon was playing wide right last night - obviously not his position. I would have liked to have seen him getting a start in place of McInnes, with McCluskey playing out on the right putting both players in their natural positions and giving us a chance to see what they can really do.
SaintSam1884
29-08-2007, 11:49 AM
I don't agree with releasing Derek McInnes purely for reasons TRS states, but he shouldn't be starting matches on the form he is in right now. Kevin Moon has earned the right to start.
Jamie - I think Moon was put out wide to double up with Irvine on Murray. Worked a treat, not.
Scobby_SJFC
29-08-2007, 12:14 PM
Last night was very poor
It was Up until mid way through the 2nd half did we look anything like a team, no midfield, no real passion and a lack of commitment!
I really wonder how some players can walk off a pitch and take their wages for playing like that
McInnes, Stewart, Stanic, Sheerin were all poor last night, for me only Anderson and Irvine could walk away saying they had a great game.
And Jackson hitting a penalty, you just knew it wasnt going to go in, I like the lads energy and he does give everything but there comes a time where strikers have to score goals.
Radford 72
29-08-2007, 12:17 PM
And Jackson hitting a penalty, you just knew it wasnt going to go in.
Like the one at Raith that didn't go in?
EastinWest
29-08-2007, 12:20 PM
Will try and not repeat too much of what has been said already, but basic summary, defence looked solid, Irvine and Anderson were excellent most of the time and that should have been capped off with Andos goal, their keeper hit his own defender first and was not impeded.
Up front, Stewart, why? The difference when Peaso and Jackson came on and started closing Partick down and holding the ball up when we were in possession was remarkable. We can all criticise the midfield which is clearly too slow at times, but how can we expect them to be up in support when they know that the strikers cannot hold the ball up for them which gives them time to get up and makes extra space for their runs. Don't think it is ao coincidence that Hardie came onto a game once Jackson (who was excellent apart from the slipping) and Peaso (also showed he is still a very good player) were on the field.
As a side note, spoke to the father of one of our subs who told me his son was promised a run in the team only to be punted to the bench after the Clyde game. He also told me about dressing room unhappiness about 'Coyles clique' of players who he won't drop, McIness being the main beneficiary of this. He also noted that this issue divides the dressing room and affects the morale of newer, younger players. It's probably something we all know, but it was interesting to hear someone in the know confirming it.
Scobby_SJFC
29-08-2007, 12:23 PM
Like the one at Raith that didn't go in?
Did you feel confident when he stepped up??
SaintSam1884
29-08-2007, 12:30 PM
Did you feel confident when he stepped up??
You seem all too keen to find someone to blame and it's not fair to pin that on Jackson. Players like Sheerin, Hardie and Peaso took good penalty kicks, but they are also vastly more experienced than Jackson.
Radford 72
29-08-2007, 12:31 PM
Did you feel confident when he stepped up??
No more or less than any other player outside the main three takers. Hardie, Sheerin and Peaso could all take PKs in a match, after that it was always gonna be touch-and-go.
Nairn Saint
29-08-2007, 12:34 PM
'Coyles clique'
Don't like the sound of that one bit.
Scobby_SJFC
29-08-2007, 01:29 PM
You seem all too keen to find someone to blame and it's not fair to pin that on Jackson. Players like Sheerin, Hardie and Peaso took good penalty kicks, but they are also vastly more experienced than Jackson.
If you had looked at my other post I did criticse Sheerin Stanic etc, I didnt pin the bad team performance on Jackson, I said I didnt see him scoring in the game, and thats the way i feel about him, although I do admire his work ethic, which other players should strive for!
The blame has to be taken by everybody from OC and SS all the way to the players, because last night wasnt good enough
Chuck Norris
29-08-2007, 01:36 PM
As a side note, spoke to the father of one of our subs who told me his son was promised a run in the team only to be punted to the bench after the Clyde game. He also told me about dressing room unhappiness about 'Coyles clique' of players who he won't drop, McIness being the main beneficiary of this. He also noted that this issue divides the dressing room and affects the morale of newer, younger players. It's probably something we all know, but it was interesting to hear someone in the know confirming it.
You may well be right, but always be wary of disgruntled parents when it comes to football!
Hazel1884
29-08-2007, 01:46 PM
Think a lot has been said already on general feelings coming home from that match last night:
Anderson and Irvine's displays were fantastic IMO. Anderson was capable of this type of display last season but i still think he's improving as each game goes by. He's obviously putting in a bit more hardwork on the training pitch and listening to advice given to him and he is settling in well. Slightly worried there was something wrong with him though with the way he got his boots and that off at full time? Irvine impressed me on Saturday, and once again last night - he got no protection last night (through no fault of Moon i will add - my thoughts on him being played there are the same as Saintsam's) and still coped well. McManus is also stepping up his game to what it was before and Anderson and him seem to be forming a partnership and an understanding of each other.
Midfield was pretty much non existant - the reluctancy to push forward at times last night was unbelievable. I am extremely worried that the players you would expect to fight for the ball there, and push forward aren't producing anything yet. Weatherston cannot do all the work himself, some of his runs were fantastic last night but again, he needs to have a look up to or listen for the shout - 2 or 3 occasions Hardie or Sheerin were in far better positions than him last night but he kept going himself. Would love to see him get a goal though as a reward because he has been playing well.
Strikers - much improved when MacDonald and Jackson came on. MacDonald looking slightly better than he has been playing and Jackson's pace and hold up play was fantastic at times. Possibly starting partnership for Sunday?
Dunfermline is pretty much a massive game - should have loads through too without the Saturday leagues being on as competition and a good day out in Dunfermline - lets get a massive push on and get as many through as possible to this one and back the team with some vocal support. We need to start lifting our own spirits as well as our own. Last night going to the game i feared an absolute pumelling - haven't felt like that since JC's season of woe!
McCallum
29-08-2007, 02:22 PM
Weatherston cannot do all the work himself, some of his runs were fantastic last night but again, he needs to have a look up to or listen for the shout - 2 or 3 occasions Hardie or Sheerin were in far better positions than him last night but he kept going himself.
Agreed. I know it is easier for us in the crowd to see a pass, but it should be simple stuff. All Weatherston needed to do was look up once and he would have spotted Sheerin in acres of space at the back post on quite a few occasions, release it early and its in the net. Those were golden opportunities to win the game. Don't want to take too much away from Weatherston, though, as I thought he ran his socks off and looked very dangerous when moved to the wing.
Other stand outs were Ando, Irvine and Jackson. Disappointed to go out at such an early stage, the pens could have gone either way. Next time the players should start to look interested a bit before the 70 minute mark.
McInnes' attitude stinks.
Still confident we can get a result at Dunfermline. Massive game.
Dunfermline Saint
29-08-2007, 02:31 PM
Quite glad I never went, however 2 hours spent on the laptop with nothing happening last night was probably worse!
Think myself and people like Nairn Saint had the most boring night ever last night!!
Nairn Saint
29-08-2007, 02:34 PM
Quite glad I never went, however 2 hours spent on the laptop with nothing happening last night was probably worse!
Think myself and people like Nairn Saint had the most boring night ever last night!!
Yep! :***:
SaintSam1884
29-08-2007, 03:09 PM
My ONE criticism of David Weatherston is just that, Hazel, he doesn't look up when he's charging in sometimes. Last night there were a couple of prime examples as you state, and had he looked up and made the pass, a goal would've been inevitable.
john1962
29-08-2007, 06:37 PM
I just want to say that I thought Jacko and Peaso were excellent. They gave us movement and effort and played as a partnership. The first signs of a partnership up front I have seen all season. I think we need to persevere with a pair of strikers to give them a chance to develop a partnership. I hope its these two.
monkfish
29-08-2007, 08:38 PM
Jackson and Peaso both held the ball up, which gave us more possession instead of chasing about all game like we had been doing. Before about the 70 min mark we hardly had any passing movements at all.
As folk have said I dunno why Moon was playing on the right, you'd think it'd be best to put him in for McInnes and play Mcluskey there (who at least looks like he can be arsed and can play a decent cross field ball instead of just humphin it).
Didn't think I'd ever say it but i hope McClarens back soon so Sheerin can take a break from trying to play wide!
Cagey
29-08-2007, 11:59 PM
I know another couple of guys missed pens but why did McInness take a penalty ? . Has he ever scored a goal ?. Come on Radford ,get the book out or surf the web please.
Radford 72
30-08-2007, 08:41 AM
I know another couple of guys missed pens but why did McInness take a penalty ? . Has he ever scored a goal ?. Come on Radford ,get the book out or surf the web please.
Not only has he scored, one of his best goals game in the infamous Battle of Bramall Lane. I think there was a link on YouTube at some stage.
Not sure what he tried to do with his PK, taking a massive run up... then side footing it.
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