SMOKING BAN

[mainstand]

I remember a few weks ago there was a debate on smoking at football grounds and whether it would be illegal or not after the ban. Todays sunday post clarifies the criteria for the ban.

In grounds where there are seperate stands ie McDiarmid the smoking ban takes affect.
In grounds where the stadium is really a bowl ie Hampden it does not, but the SFA have voluntarily banned it.

That will be something else that Rock Steady will have to do shortly. Banning the smokers from lighting up :***:

[garydavidson]

i really cant wait till this ban comes into force!!

but i really think it has let a lot of pub/club/venue owners off without having to install proper air conditioning systems!!

[TheBigCheese]

Does it explain why they have made the distinction between the two types of stadium? What is it about a bowl type stadium that means it's ok to smoke? Does the bowl shape stop the guy infront's amoke from blowing into your face or something?

[garydavidson]

Does it explain why they have made the distinction between the two types of stadium? What is it about a bowl type stadium that means it's ok to smoke? Does the bowl shape stop the guy infront's amoke from blowing into your face or something?

i know it is a weird one! i thought an open stand system would have been seen to help the fact but who knows!! i think smoke blows in ur face where ever u sit in what ever type of stadium!

[mainstand]

Well it all depends on the amount of open space. Bus shelters for instance which have a back on it are banned open bus shelters with only a front and roof are okay.

[TheBigCheese]

Well it all depends on the amount of open space. Bus shelters for instance which have a back on it are banned open bus shelters with only a front and roof are okay.

Surely then the smoking ban should be the other way around for stadia? McD has much more open space than Hampden. Also, who the hell is going to enforce the ban on smoking in bus shelters, especially when a lot of offices have bus shelters outside specifically for smoking!

[Scoogz]

Apparently it is to do with the amount of wall area, Stadiums like McD have 3 walls on each stand whereas hampden effectively on has 1 (the back). The rules has something about havin more than 50% wall space snd a roof meaning an area is enclosed. Therefore McD is enclosed but hampden is not as it does not have the same amount of wall space.

I think

:?

[mainstand]

Well it all depends on the amount of open space. Bus shelters for instance which have a back on it are banned open bus shelters with only a front and roof are okay.

Surely then the smoking ban should be the other way around for stadia? McD has much more open space than Hampden. Also, who the hell is going to enforce the ban on smoking in bus shelters, especially when a lot of offices have bus shelters outside specifically for smoking!

No they have smoke shelters which are meant for smokers. A bus shelter is a public place where people can go. As scoogz says it depends on whether there is 50% or more wall space.

[Broggy Man]

It is so stupid really a football match is played outside fact. We have enough problems attracting supporters the last bloody thing we need is our few addicted supporters to say stuff that what a joke you now cant smoke outside yer having a laugh

[1884]

It is so stupid really a football match is played outside fact. We have enough problems attracting supporters the last bloody thing we need is our few addicted supporters to say stuff that what a joke you now cant smoke outside yer having a laugh

Well, could the addicted ones not give up the fags instead of the fitbaw? :wink:

[Broggy Man]

The most hated men in Perth have shipped there entire stock of owned pubs for one reason smoking ban now i can take it or leave it but 1884 can u honestly say we are sitting inside when watching a match jesus lets get some common sense.
On saturday i one fag in the first half but in the second or at least the last 15 mins i was looking for vallium.
If being at Mcd is classed as being inside then fair enough i dont want to offend anybody whith my habbit but lets get serious

[blueheaven]

Personally I'm in favour of a total ban, but realistically I can't really see why outdoor grounds can't have a smoking section. I don't think that would bother any non-smokers in an open air environment, would it? It's only a bother when there's someone sitting right in front of you who's smoking, and a smoking area would solve that problem.

[208saint]

Apparently it is to do with the amount of wall area, Stadiums like McD have 3 walls on each stand whereas hampden effectively on has 1 (the back). The rules has something about havin more than 50% wall space snd a roof meaning an area is enclosed. Therefore McD is enclosed but hampden is not as it does not have the same amount of wall space.

I think

:?

Alternatively it might just be easier to police at the likes of McD etc where we have smaller crowds than say, Hampden, Ibrox, Parkhead etc which would appear to be classed as bowl type stadiums :wink:

[mainstand]

Apparently it is to do with the amount of wall area, Stadiums like McD have 3 walls on each stand whereas hampden effectively on has 1 (the back). The rules has something about havin more than 50% wall space snd a roof meaning an area is enclosed. Therefore McD is enclosed but hampden is not as it does not have the same amount of wall space.

I think

:?

Alternatively it might just be easier to police at the likes of McD etc where we have smaller crowds than say, Hampden, Ibrox, Parkhead etc which would appear to be classed as bowl type stadiums :wink:

No only Hampden is a bowl shaped stadium and they have put in place a voluntary ban.

[slf]

so if yer doon at stranraer or up at brechin in an uncovered bit can ye smoke?tell me as i am curious. :roll:

[mainstand]

so if yer doon at stranraer or up at brechin in an uncovered bit can ye smoke?tell me as i am curious. :roll:

I suspect if you are on the terracing you can smoke but in the stand NO. It's typical of any bill taht gets passed it's designed to make lawyers richer trying to work out what it means. :wink:

[1884]

The most hated men in Perth have shipped there entire stock of owned pubs for one reason smoking ban now i can take it or leave it but 1884 can u honestly say we are sitting inside when watching a match jesus lets get some common sense.
On saturday i one fag in the first half but in the second or at least the last 15 mins i was looking for vallium.
If being at Mcd is classed as being inside then fair enough i dont want to offend anybody whith my habbit but lets get serious

I couldnae care less if McD was classed as inside or ootside. Doesnae matter where you are, Broggy man. Cigarette smoke is the same inside as it is outside - disgusting. I'd rather not have to put up with it at all. :roll:

March 26th cannae come quick enough.

[Kevin]

I always think back to a poster I saw once about this, it went along the lines of:

Due to the residue of your filthy habit, I end up stinking when I get home
My habit is drinking beer, if I covered you in the residue of my habit, how whould you feel?

Ban smoking in all public areas, whether inside or out!! :evil:

[Broggy Man]

The most hated men in Perth have shipped there entire stock of owned pubs for one reason smoking ban now i can take it or leave it but 1884 can u honestly say we are sitting inside when watching a match jesus lets get some common sense.
On saturday i one fag in the first half but in the second or at least the last 15 mins i was looking for vallium.
If being at Mcd is classed as being inside then fair enough i dont want to offend anybody whith my habbit but lets get serious

I couldnae care less if McD was classed as inside or ootside. Doesnae matter where you are, Broggy man. Cigarette smoke is the same inside as it is outside - disgusting. I'd rather not have to put up with it at all. :roll:

March 26th cannae come quick enough.
:***: and what do we attack next i wonder drink fuelled violence. Hmm perhaps drugs. Oh maybe speed limits because you really need to get your priorities right if you are going to advocate social change. All of the previous matters kill and cost far more than smoking and where i advocate a cheaper to run health service you really should start at the big killers and work your way down. Kevin you mentioned the spilling of beer on somebody. i laugh at that comment as almost 15p in every pound you pay in tax goes to treat alcohol related health issues funny eh!! and if i was to include the extra policing court costs and defence costs in that the figure would double so if you are going to spout in a child like manor get your FACTS correct.
The costs of accidents caused by speeding or drunk/drug drivers cost the taxpayer a fortune last year only lessened by the income made by the treasury from speed cameras. however the NHS recently published in the lancet that over 30% of serious cases dealt with at A and E where attributable to this Hmm.
I am all for a cleaner lifestyle and if i was to be honest with my self i should have give up years ago but i really gets right up my nose when clowns see figures in the media and go oh lets ban it with no structure or thought if we are going to clean up lets clean up the lot.
Lets open up the debate to all that is bad what else would the law obiding tax payers like to see banned?
Perhaps a return to limited opening hours
perhaps a speed reduction on our motorways to 50mph
perhaps a raising of the drinking age to 21
perhaps zero tolerance on all controlled drugs resulting in custodial sentences automatically
perhaps banning orders for all who are invoved in violance who are found to be under the infulence of alcohol
perhaps rather than on the third occasion we have a zero tollerence on people who have a party in there own home just kick them out for 90 days on an ASBO

This goverment cant feed people in hospitals they cant feed people in schools they cant gaurantee the safety of our kids when they go to school they cant provide health care when it is required they cant give decent affordable housing they cant provide decent public transport they cant clean our hospitals

However this goverment can give themselves numerous inflation busting pay rises they can plough money into methadone projects they can close down PRI in stages they can sell off huge amounts of public land to the private sector to bring the high earners in to your area without giving anything back for christ sake the cant even call Scotlands ancient capitol a blood city.
Get real the lot of you you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that we are all going to live until we are 100 because they ban smoking at McD the average age has been increasing for years without the help of some cuckoo goverment and some stupid banning order.
Last question if after the ban they allowed half the pubs to allow smoking and half not which i wonder would be the bussiest
Enjoy

[mainstand]

However this goverment can give themselves numerous inflation busting pay rises they can plough money into methadone projects they can close down PRI in stages they can sell off huge amounts of public land to the private sector to bring the high earners in to your area without giving anything back for christ sake the cant even call Scotlands ancient capitol a blood city.
Get real the lot of you you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that we are all going to live until we are 100 because they ban smoking at McD the average age has been increasing for years without the help of some cuckoo goverment and some stupid banning order.
Last question if after the ban they allowed half the pubs to allow smoking and half not which i wonder would be the bussiest
Enjoy

Do you have inside information Broggy are the Executive about to announce an inflation busting pay rise for their staff that's pay rise was due last August!!

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A DISGRUNTLED SMOKER!! :***:

[1884]

Jesus Christ, Broggy man! :shock: If smoking doesnae kill you then perhaps high blood pressure might! :wink:


I detest cigarette smoke. It's disgusting. Thirty-five people per day in Scotland die as a direct result of smoking. Why the fook should I have to breathe in YOUR smoke from YOUR filthy habbit? By all means smoke yourself to death (you might as well be lighting up the twenty pound notes in your wallet) but what gives you the right to force your toxins on other people?

My father in law was diagnosed with throat cancer in July last year. He was gravely ill in August and had to have an emergency operation just to keep him alive. He's been through chemo/radiotherapy etc and is in remission for now but as a lifelong heavy smoker this has been the wake-up call he needed to stop smoking.

Why anyone would want to smoke knowing the risks is beyond me... :shock: :roll:

[chopper]

To enforce a point on this - Wigan's JJB Stadium is a non-smoking stadium from the moment you enter the stadium. It may not be the most popular but it is well marshalled and repeated over the tannoy just before kick-off, immediately at the start of half-time, the end of half-time and during the second half as well.

[pezza70]

Every sporting stadium in australia is smoke free

at my home ground the designated smoking area is outside on the footpath, at half time you see a mad dash outside for a quick puff or two.

Its a on the spot $175 fine if you are caught smoking by any police officer, security or ground staff.

My club pays the fine if you are caught, you just give them the fine, and they fix it.

As a non smoker, I bet our club doing this will see a price rise in season tickets next year to cover the smokers and their fines.

[shandon saint]

i wrote to the club a few weeks back about wether smoking would be banned or not... here is the response that I received


Thank you for your e-mail - sorry for the slight delay in getting back to you.

The new regulations obviously have a significant impact for football clubs and
with this in mind, our Managing Director Stewart Duff wrote to the Scottish
Executive asking for guidance of how the regulations will effect football clubs.
They have responded by advising that the decisions lie with each individual
local council throughout Scotland and so on that basis, we have now written to
Perth & Kinross Council and await their response.

I should stress that the decision to be made is around whether smoking is banned
within the stadium seats - it is a given that it will definitely not be allowed
in the concourse areas, serveries, toilets and corporate suites.
We hope to have a resonse from the Council very soon and will make a decision
based on their views.


So it looks like it is going to be down to the local council to decided what the rules are going to be although good to see no smoking is going to be allowed in the concourse.