Dundee vs. Saints 03/11/07

[MUZZ]

very important game now. a defeat will see us 7 points behind the scum with hamilton possibly even further ahead.

also, i love to dislike dundee fc with a passion

reckon we'll go home with 3 points after a hard fought game next weekend

[Cagey]

If we had won today we could have gone above them next week if we beat them. Now we might go 7 points behind. Thats how important todays game was.
Pity the players thought they just had to turn up.

[Saintly Child]

Would take a point just now. Hope to god we stuff them.

[billy butlin beviesbirkie]

To all who know the way to go. Strath bar , strathmartin rd 1pm see ya................................................ ..................................

[dan the saint]

2-1 win both teams end the game with 10 men.

[slf]

To all who know the way to go. Strath bar , strathmartin rd 1pm see ya................................................ ..................................


dont think so

[Ali91]

3-1 the saintees. how many do you think we'll take through?

[slf]

3-1 the saintees. how many do you think we'll take through?

2 single parent families, a dog called sue and 14 tubes in fancy dress.so i would say about 43 and if my work lets me off 45

[Ronaldo]

I think if we beat Dundee at Dens we'll beat Dunfermline at Dens. Good pratice. Dundee have been drawing a lot recently and if we win that's a major result since we'll be right up beside them bar a point and with Hamilton at Dundee Utd. in midweek they may drop points at Dumfries next week.

[Hazel1884]

2 single parent families, a dog called sue and 14 tubes in fancy dress.so i would say about 43 and if my work lets me off 45

Is your pal Kevin turning up in a dress again? :D

[Noose76]

I canne wait. Its 5 minutes walk from my gaff, so will be a splendid day out. MON THE BLOOOOOOOSS!!!

[Ronaldo]

I canne wait. Its 5 minutes walk from my gaff, so will be a splendid day out. MON THE BLOOOOOOOSS!!!
I lived in Baldovan Terrace once which was quite near the ground and I heard on the radio that Ross County (a Highland League club playing in tartan) were beating Dundee at Dens. So I zoomed out the house and ran along the road and got into the ground only to see Dundee equalise. :( That could have been great.

[101 Saint]

Radio Tay reported that The Scum are attempting to secure a loan signing prior to kick off and implied he would start any ideas who it is? Also reported that Martyn Corrigan is eligible to play.

[jazzer]

MON THE BLOOOOOOOSS!!!

MON THE WHITES.
Who's side are you on ?

Closet Dee

[Dunfermline Saint]

2 trips to Dens in a month!?!?!

Better make sure vaccinations and innoculations are up to date.

[Noose76]

Can we smash the seats up like they done at our place? Im well up for it, and it seems only fair that we get some retribution? Only difference is, I promise I wont start throwing the seats at other saints fans like the Scumdee lot were doing.

[pavel]

Can we smash the seats up like they done at our place? Im well up for it, and it seems only fair that we get some retribution? Only difference is, I promise I wont start throwing the seats at other saints fans like the Scumdee lot were doing.

Thought it was just me thinking this!

Dae it!

[razz the kid]

I'm more than keen too smash up some dens park seats, count me in!
It would be much appreciated if everyone keeps my cup final seat intact tho as i'm not up for standing for the whole game! ***

2-1 win for the good guys i think.
R.Quinn first goal!

[Mr_Plow]

1-1, these games always seems to be draws.

[Nairn Saint]

Any kind of Saints win for me but fourteen nil would be sweet! :wink:

[dee4life]

Is smashing up a few seats worth a weekender for,the reason it happened at legoland is we can get away with it as we take double to your place than you do to dens.Its fact in august 2,600 dees in november ariound 1000 fermers.We also dont do defeats at home even with 9 men.

[pavel]

We can afford to repair them though.

[Scott Mc]

as we take double to your place than you do to dens.

I think its quite reasonable to expect that twice as many people want to escape Dundee than Perth.

[pavel]

Do you want a list as to why people avoid a rat infested crumbling hell hole that exists in a city with similar attributes.
We would be here for ever.

Dundee is a place people avoid. For obvious reasons. Unless your a stinking soap dodging scummer.

[dee4life]

Do you want a list as to why people avoid a rat infested crumbling hell hole that exists in a city with similar attributes.
We would be here for ever.

Dundee is a place people avoid. For obvious reasons. Unless your a stinking soap dodging scummer.

Strange how none of the perth fermers I ever meet never say these things face to face,its easy to be brave on a pc.Dont you think you are bit immature.

[7-2]

Dont you think you are bit immature.
One of the best ever quotes on here considering its written by a person whose whole posting ethos is..We're bigger than you, nah nah nah nah nah!!

Priceless!!! :***: :***: :***:

[Tranmere Saintee]

Kiddies please stop otherwise I will have to get the strap out to you:evil:

[pavel]

Strange how none of the perth fermers I ever meet never say these things face to face,its easy to be brave on a pc.Dont you think you are bit immature.

Thats what you are doing. Thats why you come on here. I would challenge you to anything face to face. But your too scared.

[Al C]

Is smashing up a few seats worth a weekender for,the reason it happened at legoland is we can get away with it as we take double to your place than you do to dens.Its fact in august 2,600 dees in november ariound 1000 fermers.We also dont do defeats at home even with 9 men.

Out of interest how big was the Dundee support at Perth in the 2-0 defeat in March of this year? I remember loads of empty seats but maybe I am deluded.

Did Ross County not win at Dens this season?

[Simon Quinlank]

Strange how none of the perth fermers I ever meet never say these things face to face,its easy to be brave on a pc.Dont you think you are bit immature.

Actually, it's spelled "farmers".

[dee4life]

Thats what you are doing. Thats why you come on here. I would challenge you to anything face to face. But your too scared.

I do not come on here and insult anyone,some of the hatred by st johnstone fans is over the top,as I said if you hate a city and ALL its citizens you have a problem.Its meant to be football banter is it not or have I missed the point?If I wanted to get personal I would do it face to face.not on a forum.

[Scobby_SJFC]

On paper looks a great game, a must win for both teams as Hamiltom seem to keep winning, although getting by United may have done some damage(hopefully).
I can see a 1-1 draw to be honest

[ryangordon86]

Kiddies please stop otherwise I will have to get the strap out to you:evil:

Had to read that twice, thought we were going all hardcore pornographic, then i realised you didnt actually say strap on!

[garydavidson]

"One of the main reasons I wanted to come to Saints ahead of Dundee United is that I didn't want to move to Dundee," :D

does Weatherston get a start just for coming out with that line?

I may have done a wee bbc there by not adding in the line after it

"I didn't want to move up there on my own and once I spoke to the gaffer here he made me feel really wanted so I made my mind up to come to Saints."

wont be at this game never actually been to dens before and from what i have read a lot previously on the forum about some of the crowds i dont plan on a saints game in dundee anytime soon.

hope for a win. has it not been a while since we have beaten them in dundee? just hope its not a game that will allow hamilton to go further ahead.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I do not come on here and insult anyone,some of the hatred by st johnstone fans is over the top,as I said if you hate a city and ALL its citizens you have a problem.Its meant to be football banter is it not or have I missed the point?If I wanted to get personal I would do it face to face.not on a forum.

Nice to see it,s that time again and Dick4life is up to his usual shite...How the hell are you???I,m well thanks , but I have been putting the weight on a bit lately and I can,t work out why!!!!!!Oh! I remember now. it,s cos every time I f*ck your mother she makes me a bacon butty while I,m disinfecting my nob:***:

Your team are getting pumped at the weekend Sad Sack and I,m gonna piss myself laughing:wink:

Are you still having relations with your relations?????


Stand up if you hate Scumdee, Stand up if you hate Scumdee

Get it right up you, you skanky coagie tosspot:wink:

[pavel]

:) :)

Brilliant!!

[HertsSaintee]

Somebody from Dundee must have done something REALLY bad to you in a previous life, Ghost...!


Herts

[Noose76]

Nice to see it,s that time again and Dick4life is up to his usual shite...How the hell are you???I,m well thanks , but I have been putting the weight on a bit lately and I can,t work out why!!!!!!Oh! I remember now. it,s cos every time I f*ck your mother she makes me a bacon butty while I,m disinfecting my nob:***:

Your team are getting pumped at the weekend Sad Sack and I,m gonna piss myself laughing:wink:

Are you still having relations with your relations?????


Stand up if you hate Scumdee, Stand up if you hate Scumdee

Get it right up you, you skanky coagie tosspot:wink:

Hear Hear or is it here here? Im going to piss all over the walls in the toilets, ****ing hate Dundee with a passion. Hope we take a good 1500 through to fill that stand and take liberties.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Somebody from Dundee must have done something REALLY bad to you in a previous life, Ghost...!


Herts

Yeah. They won the league and relegated us and now their bringing out a souvenir copy of the sporting post from May 1962. I hope they bring out a copy of the PA from 3/1/97:***:

Below is a list of things I hate about Dundee FC.
1.See above
2.They come from Dundee
3.They smell
4.They encourage incest
5.They all say "Eh!!!"
6.Their thick(as in pig shit) see #3
7.They spent all their money (then spent other peoples)
8.They never paid it back.
9.The Marr brothers(RIP) rest in poverty...
10.They always, always cheat( check dictionary under Swankie,diving twat
11.They never have hot food at Dens(or hot water)
12.Dens is a pigsty
13.They fight women and kids
14.Giovanni De Stefano
15.They actually think their a great team:***:

[pavel]

Yeah. They won the league and relegated us and now their bringing out a souvenir copy of the sporting post from May 1962. I hope they bring out a copy of the PA from 3/1/97:***:

Below is a list of things I hate about Dundee FC.
1.See above
2.They come from Dundee
3.They smell
4.They encourage incest
5.They all say "Eh!!!"
6.Their thick(as in pig shit) see #3
7.They spent all their money (then spent other peoples)
8.They never paid it back.
9.The Marr brothers(RIP) rest in poverty...
10.They always, always cheat( check dictionary under Swankie,diving twat
11.They never have hot food at Dens(or hot water)
12.Dens is a pigsty
13.They fight women and kids
14.Giovanni De Stefano
15.They actually think their a great team:***:

7. They spend all there money on smack, fags and scratch cards.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

7. They spend all there money on smack, fags and scratch cards.and Pehs.:p

[Stamford Saintee]

Yeah. They won the league and relegated us and now their bringing out a souvenir copy of the sporting post from May 1962. I hope they bring out a copy of the PA from 3/1/97:***:

Below is a list of things I hate about Dundee FC.
1.See above
2.They come from Dundee
3.They smell
4.They encourage incest
5.They all say "Eh!!!"
6.Their thick(as in pig shit) see #3
7.They spent all their money (then spent other peoples)
8.They never paid it back.
9.The Marr brothers(RIP) rest in poverty...
10.They always, always cheat( check dictionary under Swankie,diving twat
11.They never have hot food at Dens(or hot water)
12.Dens is a pigsty
13.They fight women and kids
14.Giovanni De Stefano
15.They actually think their a great team:***:

And they seriously thought they were going to sign Edgar Davids!! :***: :***: :***: :***:

And point 10 above remove the "S" from Swankie! :cool:

[7-2]

have I missed the point?
Obviously. You are a Dundee supporter on a St Johnstone web site. You are not welcome. You make matters worse by coming out with the fermers and you are just a diddy wee club style comments. You expect to be treated seriously. Exactly how thick are you?

If you dont like what you read the answer is as simple as you obviously are....just fcuk off and stop using the site.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Obviously. You are a Dundee supporter on a St Johnstone web site. You are not welcome. You make matters worse by coming out with the fermers and you are just a diddy wee club style comments. You expect to be treated seriously. Exactly how thick are you?

If you dont like what you read the answer is as simple as you obviously are....just fcuk off and stop using the site.

Gonna let him stay pleeeeeeeeeease, as the comedy value of his comments are priceless and I for one love ripping the piss out of him.:***:

[razz the kid]

Who The Fcuk Is Bobby Cox?
Who The Fcuk Is Bobby Cox?
Who The Fcuk Is
Who The Fcuk Is
Who The Fcuk Is Bobby Cox?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Who The Fcuk Is Bobby Cox?
Who The Fcuk Is Bobby Cox?
Who The Fcuk Is
Who The Fcuk Is
Who The Fcuk Is Bobby Cox?

Was he an American baseball player?????

[Stamford Saintee]

and Pehs.:p

aeye, but, aeye, but, aeye, but, aeye, but........ feve pehs :mrgreen: (£10 at Dens :evil: )

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

You,d have thought Dick4life would have finished humping his wee sister by now.Sod all on the tele ;wish he'd hurry back so we can indulge in "THE BANTER" with the Bawbag...:***:

[Stamford Saintee]

You,d have thought Dick4life would have finished humping his wee sister by now.Sod all on the tele ;wish he'd hurry back so we can indulge in "THE BANTER" with the Bawbag...:***:



Superb!!!!! :***: :***:

[dee4life]

Who the **** is jim morton,silly wee laddies on here who long spout shite from a pc,your teams won **** all never will,we take the piss when in the village and any more of your ghostie and you will recieve a slap.Now jog on and get your mums crack pipe for her.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Who the **** is jim morton,silly wee laddies on here who long spout shite from a pc,your teams won **** all never will,we take the piss when in the village and any more of your ghostie and you will recieve a slap.Now jog on and get your mums crack pipe for her.


Helllllloooooooooooooo you coagie soap dodger .How was you pumping session with yer sister:)

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Were back in business. Fanfeckingtastic

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Were back in business. Fanfeckingtastic

This is tag coagie baiting so over to you Stamford:)

[dee4life]

We won the league in perth and put the village people down,we come to perth year in year out and give you your biggest crowds.This weekend its time to get out of the village and meet the big boys in the city,dont expect to see many of yous in the pubs as we never do,unlike the dees who take the piss in the village.I heard you let 2 wee neds fae hamilton in your end a few weeks ago,never mind we got them back for you a week later and what thanks do we get.Ghostie no long to you get yir hole:p

[MUZZ]

dundee lads aren't that bad.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

We won the league in perth and put the village people down,we come to perth year in year out and give you your biggest crowds.This weekend its time to get out of the village and meet the big boys in the city,dont expect to see many of yous in the pubs as we never do,unlike the dees who take the piss in the village.I heard you let 2 wee neds fae hamilton in your end a few weeks ago,never mind we got them back for you a week later and what thanks do we get.Ghostie no long to you get yir hole:p

I heard you regularly had a wee ned in yer end...Shuggie Clapperton fae Fintry was the name mentioned.Is he yer cousin????:D
When did you last win a cup?? 1972 -73.. and you did win theScottish cup..97 YEARS AGO Have you not worked it out yet..44 years since that win!!!!That was then and this is now. Your in the first Division, your pretty piss, and your never gonna win a cup again WHOOOOSH...............................

One big team in Dundee, and yes you've guessed..It aint your team

[Stamford Saintee]

We won the league in perth and put the village people down,

Ahem.....did the "Village People" not win the league last season :evil: and leave you lot down? And guess who's gonna keep you down this season :D

Aw gawd not still on about 1962!!! Were you born at that time? I doubt it.

[Stamford Saintee]

One big team in Dundee, and yes you've guessed..It aint your team


Lochee Utd :D

[StDuncM]

2 trips to Dens in a month!?!?!

Better make sure vaccinations and innoculations are up to date.

Anyone who wants an innoculation/vaccination see my wife! She's a practice nurse! Will cost less than a flu jab!

[Barca-Saintee]

dundee lads aren't that bad.

yeah, they're worse

[Ronaldo]

Get intae these bampots on mass! Big game.

Have A Go Saints!

[SJFC1988,]

dundee lads aren't that bad.

They pumped perth villareal. ***

[pavel]

Can't wait to wreck there dive. Twice in a month and the scumdee won't even be there to witness it the second time. We are in the cup final....now...present. Your worse than English going on about '66.
Better go and get the dole cheque so your incest family can eat.

[dee4life]

Can't wait to wreck there dive. Twice in a month and the scumdee won't even be there to witness it the second time. We are in the cup final....now...present. Your worse than English going on about '66.
Better go and get the dole cheque so your incest family can eat.

Pavie son,here,s the deal,the reason I mention 62 is because this is the reason where all your hatred stems from.Do you hate the arabs(from the same city) as much?no would be the answer.Its a cancer your grandad help spread all those years ago and the chip on the shoulder is still there.Personally I like perth and dont mind the your team and find it really amusing the utter hatred that stems from some saints fans.When I was you and ghosties age I would be on here spouting the same crap so I will leave it there.Anyway to show there no hard feelings feel free to message me and I will meet you before the game take you to a pub and get you a shandy.To all the older saints fans enjoy the game hope its a good one.

[St Mikey]

Its going to be a close one. Essentially a must win for us. Lose or draw doesnt help either team. Mon the saintees!
Mite pre test my inflateable banana see how it goes before the cup final.

[Noose76]

Which pubs will Saints be in? Ill be out early doors standing around like a loner like usual :D its probably justified tbh ***

[pavel]

Wouldn't go near a Dundee Pub. Due to the fact its in Dundee and has Dundonians inside, not just because its got Dundee fans in it. I dislike Dundee more than Dundee FC.
But hey...its just banter is it no?

P.S dick4life do you have a space bar or did a coagie steal it?

[dee4life]

Wouldn't go near a Dundee Pub. Due to the fact its in Dundee and has Dundonians inside, not just because its got Dundee fans in it. I dislike Dundee more than Dundee FC.
But hey...its just banter is it no?

P.S dick4life do you have a space bar or did a coagie steal it?

Cracking answer pavie,and a space bar is that a sweetie!

[HertsSaintee]

See Rae has just signed ex-Saintee, major league ned and all round thug Eddie Malone on loan from the Midden. Hatred to the power of 10 now for yous tomorrow.

Give us a wave!


Herts

[Lee-G]

Eddie is the man. A future St Mirren legend !

[TheBigCheese]

Eddie is the man. A future St Mirren legend !

Is that because he likes a bit of racist chanting like the St. Mirren home support?

[Mongy Max]

It's games like this that make me regret joining the RAF and gettin a s*@t posting to Odiham. Enjoy the day all and let's get it right up the coagies!

2 - 0 Saints!

[pavel]

Is that because he likes a bit of racist chanting like the St. Mirren home support?

http://www.weareperth.co.uk/vforum/showthread.php?t=5002

[Real Madrid]

Most of the Dundee stuff on here is banter, unfortuantly some take it too far and I have been told that in the past a certain Dundee fan even made comments via PM to a member on here about his kids !

I am surprised the mods have left the comments about breaking up seats as some on here may take this as authority to do this

My reasons for hating dundee, their fact that they spent money they never had to get players they could never afford and thus they cheated their way through the game for several years. I feel the same way about Livingston and Gr£tna.

As 1962 happened well before I was born I consider it never happened and if they win the league in my life time then I will worry about that then. It the same with the clowns down south and 1966.

Let talk about the football not the other crap thats going on in here

[dee4life]

I personally have never pm,d anyone on here and wouldn,t do so.I come on here from time to time for a laugh and most of the time I get one.If you look back real madrid you will see me get some stupid comments from saints fans about incest and crap like that.I have no problem with saints fans hating my team and you have stated your reasons thats your right.Its only a game nothing personal.

[Real Madrid]

I personally have never pm,d anyone on here and wouldn,t do so.I come on here from time to time for a laugh and most of the time I get one.If you look back real madrid you will see me get some stupid comments from saints fans about incest and crap like that.I have no problem with saints fans hating my team and you have stated your reasons thats your right.Its only a game nothing personal.

I dont know which Dundee fan did that and I appreciate you coming on to say it was not you. I am sure the person concerend knows who it was but it shows how serious some people take this

The forum would be dull if everyone on here was a Saints fan but for 90 minutes tomorrow I will hate your team with a passion :)

[dee4life]

At 3 oclock on a saturday I hate every team who plays dundee with a passion and saints are no different.Obviously the bigger away crowds like saints pars and thistle make for a better atmosphere.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Pavie son,here,s the deal,the reason I mention 62 is because this is the reason where all your hatred stems from.Do you hate the arabs(from the same city) as much?no would be the answer.Its a cancer your grandad help spread all those years ago and the chip on the shoulder is still there.Personally I like perth and dont mind the your team and find it really amusing the utter hatred that stems from some saints fans.When I was you and ghosties age I would be on here spouting the same crap so I will leave it there.Anyway to show there no hard feelings feel free to message me and I will meet you before the game take you to a pub and get you a shandy.To all the older saints fans enjoy the game hope its a good one.

Hey dickie boy. Whats all this pish about wee laddies..Fraid you got that wrong. Just cos I take the piss out of you and your family does not mean I,m a teenager ( Much as I wish I was again).But I shouldn't be that surprised as your wrong more than your right.As for that offer to go for a pint with you and your smelly coagie mates I,ll pass thanks:***: .

[HertsSaintee]

Eddie is the man. A future St Mirren legend !

Future bampot more like. Jezuz, think about it. The guy has now played for the Cumbernauld gypos, Paisley junkies and is now on loan the unwashed soap dodgers in Dundeh. Nothing like your career taking a nose dive after leaving Super-Saintees, eh Edward? Keep it up thug-boy, you're giving us a good laugh right enough!

Herts

[dee4life]

And you noose like your brothers ghostie and pavie are a village inbread.:p

[Noose76]

sorry about the naughty language in the previous post smoochybear, you know i love you really?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

A short poem from one of

the Village people to our friend dick4life

Oh dickie your a funny guy,your humour is so cool
were you always this amazing ,a happy fecking tool
I love our cheeky banter,you skanky dundee prick
but your shagging of your sister,well,thats pretty fecking sick
You team are going nowhere,they really are so bad
Is that what you think of when your sucking off your dad
We'll see what happens down at dens,we hope that we can win
victory for your cheating team would be a bloody sin
But promise me one thing you bawbag,you smelly testies sack
when this game is all over you'll piss off and not come back.

I,d like to wish you good luck on Saturday.......But I'm not going to.:***:

[Lee-G]

Nothing like your career taking a nose dive after leaving Super-Saintees, eh Edward?

Herts

A nose dive to the SPL ? :-)

[saintbear]

Pavie son,here,s the deal,the reason I mention 62 is because this is the reason where all your hatred stems from.Do you hate the arabs(from the same city) as much?no would be the answer.Its a cancer your grandad help spread all those years ago and the chip on the shoulder is still there.Personally I like perth and dont mind the your team and find it really amusing the utter hatred that stems from some saints fans.When I was you and ghosties age I would be on here spouting the same crap so I will leave it there.Anyway to show there no hard feelings feel free to message me and I will meet you before the game take you to a pub and get you a shandy.To all the older saints fans enjoy the game hope its a good one. HEY THE DESEASED 1 I LL MEET UP WITH YOU FOR A BEER THATS IF YOUR NOT TO BUSY PLAYING [FAMILY] LOVIN GAMES....

[saintbear]

I personally have never pm,d anyone on here and wouldn,t do so.I come on here from time to time for a laugh and most of the time I get one.If you look back real madrid you will see me get some stupid comments from saints fans about incest and crap like that.I have no problem with saints fans hating my team and you have stated your reasons thats your right.Its only a game nothing personal.

WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT......YA TWO FACED ATTENTION SEEKING TWAT

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT......YA TWO FACED ATTENTION SEEKING TWAT

'Mon the bear..................:D

Sorry...'MON THE BEAR....

[Simon Quinlank]

WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT......YA TWO FACED ATTENTION SEEKING TWAT

I'm pretty sure this is a different "dee4life" to the one that was causing trouble with PMs. I think the other one had a slightly different username - possibly "Dees4Life" or such like.

[dee4life]

I have never pm,d anyone on here,that is a fact.As I saids I come on here for a laugh but it gets personal.As for your poem ghost man its not very funny I lost my father to cancer over 15 years ago.As I said it doesn,t have to get personal.

[slf]

I'm pretty sure this is a different "dee4life" to the one that was causing trouble with PMs. I think the other one had a slightly different username - possibly "Dees4Life" or such like.

similar name same old shit

[slf]

A short poem from one of

the Village people to our friend dick4life

Oh dickie your a funny guy,your humour is so cool
were you always this amazing ,a happy fecking tool
I love our cheeky banter,you skanky dundee prick
but your shagging of your sister,well,thats pretty fecking sick
You team are going nowhere,they really are so bad
Is that what you think of when your sucking off your dad
We'll see what happens down at dens,we hope that we can win
victory for your cheating team would be a bloody sin
But promise me one thing you bawbag,you smelly testies sack
when this game is all over you'll piss off and not come back.

I,d like to wish you good luck on Saturday.......But I'm not going to.:***:


magic

[blueheaven]

Why do people take the bait from these idiots that come on the forum every time we're about to play Dundee? It's the same boring old stuff every time. If you all just ignored them, they wouldn't hang around to make more posts.

[Stamford Saintee]

At 3 oclock on a saturday I hate every team who plays dundee with a passion and saints are no different.Obviously the bigger away crowds like saints pars and thistle make for a better atmosphere.

Must be a dilema when you are at home to the Huns! Which team to support! :D

Mind you you'll only have them in cup competitions until you buy your way back to the ES PEE EL! :wink:

[The Real Saints]

4 unnamed Saints players have been sent home with the flu. Can we not get the game cancelled?
Looking forward to this match, but can't see us winning.

[HertsSaintee]

A nose dive to the SPL ? :-)

Er, yes. Certainly a nose-dive to the SPL after what we experienced of SPL teams last season. Enjoy your short stay before you become an inevitable casualty in the next couple of seasons! I really mean that!

Herts

[Chuck Norris]

Why do people take the bait from these idiots that come on the forum every time we're about to play Dundee? It's the same boring old stuff every time. If you all just ignored them, they wouldn't hang around to make more posts.
Careful BH, you'll be getting accused of making

happy clappy posts
If you're not careful.

[soulfulsaint]

Pavie son,here,s the deal,the reason I mention 62 is because this is the reason where all your hatred stems from.Do you hate the arabs(from the same city) as much?no would be the answer.Its a cancer your grandad help spread all those years ago and the chip on the shoulder is still there.Personally I like perth and dont mind the your team and find it really amusing the utter hatred that stems from some saints fans..

For reasons that are personal to me I no longer post on the fourm unless its the eve of a Saints V Dundee game. So Dee4life, you are not the one that pm-ed people nor are you a bad person. I do not hate you and I hope you and you're family are well. I have no evidence that you have ever indulged in incest and apologise for any hurt this causes you.

Let me help with your theory - St Johnstone's hatred for Dundee dates back to at least the end of World War 2, decades before 1962. In the 50's many Perth people were arrested in Dundee on successive midsummer weekends when traditionally Perth people travelled to Dundee to watch Angus v Perth play cricket, women shopped in Dundee, men got tanked and wound up Dundee fans. The travelling support were almost entirely Saints fans who followed cricket only one day a year, when we played Dundee. (United were below us in the league and irrelevant) It is a long standing tribal thing and very local. You are the big town Perth is smaller. Its that simple.

1962 was symbolic for many but there was another surge of resentment in the '70s when Tayside Council was formed and people from Perth had to travel to Dundee to 'report' to their local bossses. Dundee United were still crap.

But one thing has significantly changed in fifty years. You are now a fading force and Dundee United are not. The '80s may have triggered an insecurity in Dundee fans that may never vanish.

St Johnstone have rode you so rigildy over many years it seems our world has changed too. I used to get off on hating Dundee, and to be honest was intimidated about going there to watch Saints. Now you are just a middle-ranking First Divisison team with no status, like Clyde with a bigger support. So there's not much to hate now. You are our panto villains from the past - that's it.

Ironically it now seems to matter more to you guys. Its a bit sad that so many Dee fans are always on St Johnstone boards trying to work out why you are loathed and seeking attention. When did that anxiety kick in - Dee? Was it 7-2 or 5-1 that did that. When did the crisis of confidence really harm your club? Successive financial failure has not been kind to you, nor have the bandits and frauds that have run your club.

Maybe we'll will never know why Dundee has declined so much and so spectacularly? But you were once a force in Scottish football and now your are not. So for decrepit old Perth reasons I hope we humiliate you yet again tomorrow. But I don't hate you. That only worked when we felt inferior - that passed away many years ago.

The thing that mystifies me most about Dundee is the desperation that has now infected your support - how long can a giant sleep before he becomes a dwarf?

C'mon the gloss-paints another win will do.

[SJFC1988,]

does anyone know who the 4 that were sent home from mcdiarmid park due to flu?!?!

[slf]

well said soulful saint.furthermore the perth - dundee rivalry goes back before the football teams were established more like 6 to 700 years.it was to do with shipping trade at the harbours and also a pecking order of sorts at the scottish parliament when scotland was an independent land.


saints tae beat dundee again will dae me fine.mon the saintees

[monkfish]

For reasons that are personal to me I no longer post on the fourm unless its the eve of a Saints V Dundee game.

That's a shame, and does not reflect well on Saints at all.

[Ronaldo]

..... in the '70s ...... Dundee United were still crap.
.
That was an excellent summary of our local rivalry and what really makes local rivalries worldwide. In addition the point about Dundee being a major power which I seen personally for myself as a youngster and their demise to at least an ordinary club. To be honest I think that's Scotland wide as it now very difficult financially for a provincial teams to hold on to their star players which if they could then brings out the crowds.

I think Dundee Utd. were a lesser team than us in the early 1970's even with Andy Gray. They started it's rise in the mid 70's when they appointed manager Jim MacLean and assistant Walter Smith (once a United player) and seemed to combine shrewd purchases including Frank Kopel, Willie Pettigrew and Henry Hall and Alex Rennie from us with a high quality youth policy which brought through Dave Narey, Paul Hegarty, Paul Sturrock, Davie Dodds, Richard Gough Raymond Stewart etc. By the end of the 70's they won Scottish League Cups in a row (both at Dens) and were in Europe. The 80's were their decade.

Will Dundee, a potential giant or a potential bankrupt, rise again? Not tomorrow.

C'mon Saints!

[Ronaldo]

I heard from an old guy in The Kirkside once that when Perth tradesmen applied for jobs in Dundee there were problems since there was often a requirement to be a member of a Dundee trade union, but being a member of a national trade union was irrelevant. On the other hand many workers from Dundee walked into jobs here irrespective of what trade union you were a member of - no closed shop

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I heard from an old guy in The Kirkside once that when Perth tradesmen applied for jobs in Dundee there were problems since there was often a requirement to be a member of a Dundee trade union, but being a member of a national trade union was irrelevant. On the other hand many workers from Dundee walked into jobs here irrespective of what trade union you were a member of - no closed shop


feck the scumdee

[Saintkev]

I'm pretty sure this is a different "dee4life" to the one that was causing trouble with PMs. I think the other one had a slightly different username - possibly "Dees4Life" or such like.

Correct... but it's easy to see why this one is often mistaken:roll:

[Stamford Saintee]

feck the scumdee


:***: :***: :***: :***: :***:

[Stamford Saintee]

Is the ref gonna be a mason as usual? :( If so we are f**ked!

[Saintkev]

I don't hate Dundonians... I hate both their teams though... and it's football rivalry, but it's the reactions of some of their fans... a general smugness of the Arabs and the general sleeping giant pish of the Coags... I hate Sheff Wed and Notts Forest down south for the same reasons... your club is what it is... it can have great times, it can have poor times... accept this and accept that whilst you are down you are down and look to get back up, and when you are up, you are up, enjoy it!

On a common-sense note, I would urge folk not to try and break seats and be overly agressive tomorrow in the ground as the Tayside Polis love nothing more than picking on us Saintees, you think it is bad here... Dens is a whole new league... I one saw a Saints fan ejected from Dens for laughing when an club official from Dundee got struck by a wayward shot in a warm-up... be careful what you laugh at... even if it is the scramble when one of the richer Coags throws a coin at the linesman!!

[Stamford Saintee]

I don't hate Dundonians... I hate both their teams though... and it's football rivalry, but it's the reactions of some of their fans... a general smugness of the Arabs and the general sleeping giant pish of the Coags... I hate Sheff Wed and Notts Forest down south for the same reasons... your club is what it is... it can have great times, it can have poor times... accept this and accept that whilst you are down you are down and look to get back up, and when you are up, you are up, enjoy it!

On a common-sense note, I would urge folk not to try and break seats and be overly agressive tomorrow in the ground as the Tayside Polis love nothing more than picking on us Saintees, you think it is bad here... Dens is a whole new league... I one saw a Saints fan ejected from Dens for laughing when an club official from Dundee got struck by a wayward shot in a warm-up... be careful what you laugh at... even if it is the scramble when one of the richer Coags throws a coin at the linesman!!

True...and don't laugh at the female "Rock Steady" steward with a pus like the arse end of Discovery!! And don't stand up cos you hate Dundee! yer oot on yer arse!! :shock: oh and the pehs are overpriced, cold and will ruin your Sunday! Other than that...have a nice day! :***:

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I have never pm,d anyone on here,that is a fact.As I saids I come on here for a laugh but it gets personal.As for your poem ghost man its not very funny I lost my father to cancer over 15 years ago.As I said it doesn,t have to get personal.
So what.. Feck you!!!

[Davey]

So what.. Feck you!!!

best reply...EVER

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Oh!!!! it's morning and The ghost has the hangover from hell. But todays the day we all troop doon the river to the midden that is dens park.Lets do the usual and out sing, out shout and generally show the Scumdee fans up yet again. Three points and a good performance would be very nice.So

Feck Rae, Feck Malone and of course Feck Scumdee........We're blue we're white we're fecking dynamite, super Saints

[dee4life]

A wee question for the colourful posters on here,I noticed that we had an early mornig post from ghostie,and as usual his fans love his wiity responses but the timing of the post got me thinking.
1.Was ghostie just getting up for his milk roond?
2.Was he up early to help feed the farm animals or
3.After trawling the scaramouche and that bar drinking breezers he made his way to a nightclub but again to no avail his charm did not work on the female sex,so yet again a kebab and a taxi with ghostie in the back muttering "stuck up bitches" and scumdee coagies bastards!
My reckoning it is probably no 3.
A night that promised so much but the extra kouros and new burberry coat failed to sort ghostie with that elusive 1st bird.
Ah wel theres always tonight.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

A wee question for the colourful posters on here,I noticed that we had an early mornig post from ghostie,and as usual his fans love his wiity responses but the timing of the post got me thinking.
1.Was ghostie just getting up for his milk roond?
2.Was he up early to help feed the farm animals or
3.After trawling the scaramouche and that bar drinking breezers he made his way to a nightclub but again to no avail his charm did not work on the female sex,so yet again a kebab and a taxi with ghostie in the back muttering "stuck up bitches" and scumdee coagies bastards!
My reckoning it is probably no 3.
A night that promised so much but the extra kouros and new burberry coat failed to sort ghostie with that elusive 1st bird.
Ah wel theres always tonight.

Morning shite for brains:D . Yet again so very wrong.Out for dinner (Nae pehs) then an enjoyable night in the Greyfriars with my good lady.To pished to even consider a club.Bumped into Stamford Saintee. He said" that dickie boy really is a total c**t" . I couldn't agree more

[dee4life]

Morning shite for brains:D . Yet again so very wrong.Out for dinner (Nae pehs) then an enjoyable night in the Greyfriars with my good lady.To pished to even consider a club.Bumped into Stamford Saintee. He said" that dickie boy really is a total c**t" . I couldn't agree more

Good to see even when out with your imaginary lady that I am not far from your thoughts.Anyway to the decent saints fans enjoy the day out to ghostie and his fans hope you get back to perth in one piece,I,m sure you will cause we never hear a peep from saints fans when they are in dundee.

[blueheaven]

Like some others on here, I don't really see Dundee as our serious "enemies" any more. They've become more like panto villains who we can make up daft songs about, and then they can come on here and call us farmers and then feel all warm inside, presumably under the impression that they're the first ones to ever think of it (by the way, I never really did understand the farmers thing - can anyone, Saints fan, Dundee fan or otherwise, explain where that comes from?). I find the Dundee support's insistance that they're secretly some sort of "big club" to be more amusing than anything else (and you've got to hand it to them - it is a Helluva well-kept secret).

Anyway, while it's a good part of football to have your local rivals, I save my true revulsion for the Old Firm - they're our real enemies in this game.

[Nairn Saint]

Like some others on here, I don't really see Dundee as our serious "enemies" any more. They've become more like panto villains who we can make up daft songs about, and then they can come on here and call us farmers and then feel all warm inside, presumably under the impression that they're the first ones to ever think of it (by the way, I never really did understand the farmers thing - can anyone, Saints fan, Dundee fan or otherwise, explain where that comes from?). I find the Dundee support's insistance that they're secretly some sort of "big club" to be more amusing than anything else (and you've got to hand it to them - it is a Helluva well-kept secret).

Anyway, while it's a good part of football to have your local rivals, I save my true revulsion for the Old Firm - they're our real enemies in this game.

You are absolutely correct. Why should we give them the satisfaction of thinking they are THAT important. They are not even the biggest team in their street let alone their city. I would still love to give them a right royal dry humping nevertheless!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Good to see even when out with your imaginary lady that I am not far from your thoughts.Anyway to the decent saints fans enjoy the day out to ghostie and his fans hope you get back to perth in one piece,I,m sure you will cause we never hear a peep from saints fans when they are in dundee.

PEEP.

[Dunfermline Saint]

.......and relax.

Still no signs of team news on the sky sports website, hopefully will appear in the next few mins!

[Dunfermline Saint]

and just as I type that

A Main
G Irvine
G Stanic
A McManus
S Anderson
D McInnes
R Quinn
P Sheerin
K Deuchar
A Jackson
W McLaren

Subs

D Weatherston
P MacDonald
J Stewart
A Lawrie
K Cuthbert

[Dunfermline Saint]

Hamilton winning against QoS. McCarthy in the 1st minute.

[sleepless]

why is the BBC Live league scores page not showing our match?

[Dunfermline Saint]

YYYYYYYYAAAASSSS!!

1-0 Sheerin 18 pen

[Moray Blue]

1-0 Sheerin Pen.

[Ray Blair]

cmon the Blues woo hoo

[Dunfermline Saint]

Dundee should also possibly be down to 10 men. Think it was Palenik who saved the original shot resulting in the pen. Only shown a yellow card though.

P.S. Info been heard 3rd hand now via Dev on Pie and bovril

[Dunfermline Saint]

Half time 1-0

Dunfermline losing 1-0 to livi as well...

[sleepless]

quiet in here today. Where is everyone? You'd think there was a match on or something...

[Moray Blue]

shh! you'll wake someone

2-0 Livi now

[Dunfermline Saint]

50mins Bamba stumbles, falls into Simmons and takes him out, leaving Craig to score.

From DAFC.net.....more top drawer defending!!

[Steve Maskrey]

shh! you'll wake someone

2-0 Livi now

Stephen Kenny must stay!!

Falkirk 2 v 0 Gretna :D

[sleepless]

what's happened to Dunfermiline? I know it can take a while to acclimatise when you get relegated, but they're taking the piss.

[Ray Blair]

Hopefully Dunfermline dont sack Kenny and get a new manager before next week

[Dunfermline Saint]

1-1 B Davidson 59 mins

[Moray Blue]

oh bugger - c'mon Saints

[Dunfermline Saint]

Peaso on for Jackson.

[Dunfermline Saint]

3-0 Livi

[Moray Blue]

3-0 Livi now

[Dunfermline Saint]

Weatherston on for McLaren

[Nairn Saint]

Gutted!

[Tranmere Saintee]

1 - 2 Ft

[Scobby_SJFC]

Noo!!!!!!

[Moray Blue]

B0llocks - Hamilton losing and we cant take advantage.

Only consolation is we arent Dunfermnline

[Scobby_SJFC]

B0llocks - Hamilton losing and we cant take advantage.

Only consolation is we arent Dunfermnline

Another season same old story, leaders lose an we lose, I feel like we're watching the same season for the last 4!
At least we're consistant!!!

[MUZZ]

crap. total crap. played dundee off the park til we scored and that was it and after that it was pointless long ball after long ball. didnt look a threat up front at all and the midfield was very poor at times. is this the wake up call we need or just a reality check that we arent good enough to win this league?

also, why no red card for the penalty incident? surely a red card is the punishment for handball preventing a goal?

as for craig samson, most will disagree but the lad was only celebrating his team comin back from behind and i'm sure our man alan main would've done the same if not worse.

fair play to dundee, they deserved to win today. they played right to the final whistle unlike our lads who ran out of steam and ideas after half an hour.

[Saintly Child]

Very Poor performance, away to work now very pissed off.

[wee lee #1]

great first 20mins didint look in trouble in the first half. second half we were shocking sat back wanting dundee to attack we never looked like we were up for it in after half time. the guy should have been sent off but no excuses with that second half performance.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

i think saints got what they deserved to-day , up to the time we got the penalty we play not to bad , but after that it was back to the usual stuff,
long ball and no game plan, boring stuff.

dundee will go on to win the league now!!!

[wee lee #1]

hopefully not they didnt look that good just we were rubbish after half time only good thing hamilton got beat

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Dont know if we can blame anyone on the park for that today Coyle was out thought by Rae today. Was clear from 5mins into the second half the midfield was being over run, but no change just the same like for like subs. Same old story we are out of the league by the second quarter. I dont care how pretty we looked at times the points total does not lie, time is running out.

[MUZZ]

my moneys on the dees for the league too.

[wee lee #1]

we need to go on a run without losing till at least end of january and hope other teams have a bad patch too catch up dnt knw if we can but we will give it a good go

[Ali91]

my moneys on the dees for the league too.

same. how the ref never sent their boy of for the handball i dont know. Poor performance second half but thought if it had finished 1-1 Dundee couldnt have any complaints. complete sickner at the end. good crowd through i thought.

[Jamie_Beatson]

First of all - thought it was a very good game of football - attacking and entertaining, although obviously a bastard of a result for us. It was a game of two halves if ever I've seen one.

We flew out of the traps and could have been well in front before we scored. Rocco threaded a superb ball into McLaren and he snatched his shot instead of doing what looked oh so simple and taking a touch round Samson and knocking it into the empty net.

Then minutes later Rocco had a great chance when again slipped through but this time Samson made an excellent save. From the resulting corner we had a header cleared off the line.

Then the controversy started. A Dundee defender misjudged a high ball and allowed it to bounce over his head. Anderson turned the ball back to Deuchar whose shot was heading for the corner of the net. A Dundee player (I think it was Palenik) dived and made a tremendous save - one that Craig Samson would not have made had it gone past Palenik. Iain Brines had a clear view and pointed to the spot.

Incredibly - and that isn't even a strong enough word for it - he only showed the Dundee player a yellow card. An absoutely disgraceful decision. Palenik cheated by blocking a shot deliberately with his hand that was heading for the goal. He stopped a clear goalscoring opportuniy - actually never mind a clear opportunity - he denied us a goal. There is no punishment other than a red card. The ref got it wrong - plain and simple.

Sheerin tucked it away, and we continued to play well. We restricted Dundee and kept going forward. Dundee only had one chance of note - Daquin heading goalwards with Main making a good save low to his left.

We went in 1-0 at half time with Dundee still having their full complement of 11 players on the park. We really should have taken an early chance and scored two and they really should have been down to ten men. We lived to regret this later on.

The second half was completely the opposite of the first, with Dundee this time setting the pace and causing us no end of problems. This was not helped by us coming out looking nervous and defending badly. Dundee had several great chances and played some great football, and equalised when we defended a set piece poorly.

The ball was swung over from the Dundee right and initially knocked away. It came back in and was played to the left side of the box where Dundee's player had time and space to pick his spot.

Dundee continued to push and we were really struggling, but eventually with approximaetly 20 minutes to go we started to play again. We had been losing the midfield battle badly, but started to pick up and had a couple of great chances to snatch victory.

They both fell to Steven Anderson - the first a header that was well smothered by Samson, the second a glorious chance inside the six yard box after a great ball in from the Saints left that he couldn't quite keep down.

Then disaster for Saints. Dundee attacked down the right, and Stanic blocked the first cross. It fell back to the Dundee player who attempted to play the ball across again. And again Stanic threw himself in to block it.

Unfortunately, it broke to a Dundee man lurking at the edge of the box. It wasn't closed down quickly enough and he picked his spot in the corner.

At the end of the day, I really do think a draw would have been a fair result. Those who say we didn't deserve anything clearly don't remember the first half. We controlled it, and lost the plot in the second half.

A note on the ref - Iain Brines. He apparently had a shocker midweek while officiating Motherwell v Rangers, and in my opinion, the SFA should now take his whistle away and never let him near one again.

He was awful today - and for both teams. So many times he just blew at random for nothing challenges, then he'd miss a blatant foul. He was not helped by his assistants. This is before you get to the penalty decision. He made up his own rules there, because they certainly weren't anything to do with football.

Overall, Dundee looked poor early on and couldn't handle the pace of Quinn, and McLaren to begin with. We really should have capitalised and taken a comfortable lead in to half time.

Alex Rae was clearly raging well before half time - he hooked Daquin before the break after a series of piss poor crosses - and clearly gave his boys a good rollocking at half time. They came out much more determined and hungry for the game, and deservedly equalised.

We didn't come out for the second half until there were 15-20 minutes to play, and I thought the game had become pretty even by the time Dundee got their winner. Very very disappointing finish.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

crap. total crap. played dundee off the park til we scored and that was it and after that it was pointless long ball after long ball. didnt look a threat up front at all and the midfield was very poor at times. is this the wake up call we need or just a reality check that we arent good enough to win this league?

also, why no red card for the penalty incident? surely a red card is the punishment for handball preventing a goal?

as for craig samson, most will disagree but the lad was only celebrating his team comin back from behind and i'm sure our man alan main would've done the same if not worse.

fair play to dundee, they deserved to win today. they played right to the final whistle unlike our lads who ran out of steam and ideas after half an hour.

totally bang on summary.

[Deek]

Saints were well on top up until the first goal but didn't keep up the momentum from that point forward. Our left hand side is the weak point of the team and Dundee exposed that. Stanic isn't the player he was last season and Sheerin hasn't played well for about 2 years. Both need dropped at the least but we don't have any replacements.

[MUZZ]

Saints were well on top up until the first goal but didn't keep up the momentum from that point forward. Our left hand side is the weak point of the team and Dundee exposed that. Stanic isn't the player he was last season and Sheerin hasn't played well for about 2 years. Both need dropped at the least but we don't have any replacements.

agree about sheerin but i still think stanic is a cut above to be fair

[Deek]

agree about sheerin but i still think stanic is a cut above to be fair

When were on top he's as good going forward as were likely to get. Defending he seems to be leaving players with far too much space. It's maybe Sheerin that's causing him the problems.

I'd have changed the formation to 4-5-1 in the second half with Weatherson wide left, Sheerin further in & Jacko on his own with Rocco in behind him.

We lost that game because Rae corrected the problems with his team.

[templeofsaints]

Absolute pish. We were ok for the first 10 minutes or so then allowed them to bog us down in midfield. Then Swankie comes on and we're all over the place and Saints had no counter. With Malone at left-back Weatherston should have been brought right on (I'd have hooked Sheerin and put Wullie out left). Strikers were very poor today and Irvine and Stanic were both off form again.

Tactically we lost it - too many hight balls and why on earth we persist in trying to play passbacks to a keeper who can't distribute the ball beats me.

Dundee are nothing fancy but they're working for each other and digging in - something Owen's side doesn't seem to have mastered yet (all the more annoying after the way we did so against SPL sides last year).

As for Samson he might have been celebrating but can you imagine what the action of the police had been had a Saints keeper done something similar at Ibrox or Parkhead?

[St Mikey]

Another poor performance and playing the "DONUT" formation!! Everyone round in a circle and bloody nobody in the middle!!

We again shoot ourselves in the foot. How can we lose a game as a result of half-time. They are pros and should know to keep it tight for 10-15mins after halftime which didn't happen.

If Coyle reads this my questions to him are:
1. Why do you insist on playing a left winger at right midfield?
2. How long do we have to endure old gits blowing out of there arse after 15mins, ie Sheerin, McManus and McInnes???
3. Why do we not shoot from over 10 yards out from the goal?
4. Why the long ball ALL THE TIME when we never win any?!?!?!?!


BOOOOOOO!

[Deek]

With Malone at left-back Weatherston should have been brought right on (I'd have hooked Sheerin and put Wullie out left). Strikers were very poor today and Irvine and Stanic were both off form again.

We could have done that. We do have options but Coyle doesn't seem prepared to try them.

Thought Deuchar was never going to get anything out of the 2 big defenders, can't complain. Jacko is wasted with lumps up the park.

[SlickDT]

Horrible way to lose, especially to Dundee of all teams. :sad:

Good in spells, but as stated by a few already think Coyle's decision not to change tactics/players left us outsmarted by ALEX RAE of all people.

A change to 4-5-1 would have clogged up the centre a little more and given us the chance to use our wingers a little more, Think we could have made a few more chances from getting in from the wide areas.

Weatherston was also not given enough time to make his mark, was the sort of player needed when we conceeded the goal.

Anderson, McInnes, Irvine and Quinn with pass marks today.

[dee4life]

Get it right up ye,best team won you are ****ing shite shit,away suypport terrible and guess what I dont care about your replies cause we done you and we are winning the league.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Get it right up ye,best team won you are ****ing shite shit,away suypport terrible and guess what I dont care about your replies cause we done you and we are winning the league.

Beat it Dickie ya tinky tosser:!:

[Scobby_SJFC]

Get it right up ye,best team won you are ****ing shite shit,away suypport terrible and guess what I dont care about your replies cause we done you and we are winning the league.

People on here have been very complimentary off your team and by all accounts you deserved your win!!
As for winning the league, I guess time will tell

and finally for the away support, I would put money on right now Saints have the highest league away support you wil have this season, think you've been hitting the tonic wine my friend!!

[dee4life]

People on here have been very complimentary off your team and by all accounts you deserved your win!!
As for winning the league, I guess time will tell

and finally for the away support, I would put money on right now Saints have the highest league away support you wil have this season, think you've been hitting the tonic wine my friend!!

Give me yoyr money now then,pars had at least 500 more when they came to dens.ghostie pavie and all the farmers hahahahah 90 mins,a ****ing ledgend,yeehhaaaa

[monkfish]

I do not come on here and insult anyone...Its meant to be football banter is it not or have I missed the point?If I wanted to get personal I would do it face to face.not on a forum.

:rolleyes:

[Ali91]

Get it right up ye,best team won you are ****ing shite shit,away suypport terrible and guess what I dont care about your replies cause we done you and we are winning the league.

nothing beats a sporting winner. :rolleyes:

[Ronaldo]

Our great 2nd half performances of the first part of the season have now turned into the opposite - crap 2nd half performanes. :twisted:

[dee4life]

I came on here for a wee bit of bantern but ghostie and he,s pals got personal,well who cares 2-1 the dees best team won next time at legoland we will play all the big boys fae the start.ps please keep deuchar cant believe you slag zemlik when he is on the go.seeeyaaaa

[Cagey]

Deserved at least a point today & we would have got it if Main hadn`t just punted his clearance up the park when there was no one there. The ball just came back at us & McDonald scores with a side foot into the net from 20 yards that the goalie should have saved.

[Broon]

Shocking decision by the ref not to send the guy off. Imagine we missed the pen after he disallowed our goal - shocking.

Anyway, from one shocking decision to a dozen of them - Mr Coyle.

Wulllie on the right wing - seriously - is this his love child? Not a patch on Weatherston but hell that doesn't matter. McLaren is the most irritating player I have ever watched. He can do something brilliant but his end product is shite. Bin him - waste of space.

So, after 25 mins we had established it wasnt working. The midfield was overrun, McInnes and Sheerin too slow, Wullie terrible and Rocco having to do the job of 4. With nobody to pass to the defenders had to lump it to the doc, who showed a timid side to him today - capitulating at every challenge. What does Coyle do? Just shut his eyes and hope it all works out. No tactical ability. No subs.

But wait, a he does make a sub.....everyone in the crowd expects the Doc do be subbed for Peaso as at least with Jackson we have some mobility but no, just leave the Doc up there even if he has won 0 out of 3,541 headers. Peaso came on and won 2 straight away but whats the point when your strike partner can't run? The Doc is excellent if he's winning the ball in the air but if he's not he's limited.

Anyway, next sub is obviously weatherston (the rest of the subs are there for show) and clearly ignoring how bad Sheerin has been he takes of McLaren who even if his end product is terrible was at least getting in positions to make a hash of them. Bad decision.

So all in all, Coyle ignored the fact that McInnes & Sheerin were being overrun and the result of that was a defeat - all the fault of Coyle.

We have been making allowances for Coyle's tactical naiveness for long enough. He can't change a game - we're one trick ponies.

Pish.

[Al C]

We bottled it yet again at Dens today. Since Dundee were relegated back to division one we have played five times at Dens, taken the lead five times and only won once.

In my view we were by far the better team for the first half, not just the first ten minutes or whatever, the whole of the half. Dundee were absolutely no threat and we had missed a few chances. If it had gone to 2-0 I think the game would have been over. There might have been more chance of this of course if Dundee had been correctly reduced to ten men.

Second half was a totally different story, would be intrigued as to what Coyle's half time team talk was. Contrary to what others are saying I don't think Dundee are that great, we made things far too easy for them and they hit us with that late, late goal.

It was a game that was there to be won and we blew it.

[Nick]

Coyle is tactically inept.

Its still hard to understand how he can't spot where the problems lie.

We have no midfield. The defence HAVE to resort to punting the ball to Deuchar, which clearly doesnt work. Sheerin is past it. I can't think of one good performance from him this season.

Sometimes I look at the positioning of him and wonder if hes instructed to drift into the middle? For the past few games he has been in further than Quinn. He's to old and to slow. He has lost his creative ability as the pace of the game is quicker than his feet and head.

McLaren - I personally blame Coyle. We have Deuchar (a target man) in the box crying to decent crosses so he can attack. (Both goals vrs Clyde were a resort of balls over from the wing) Surely you want players who can get to the byline and whip crosses in. What use is it to play a left footer on the right. He can't cross with his right so resorts to cutting in, giving the defence valuable time to close down, and get back to defend.

It defeats the purpose of using wingers. Also, Sheerin is no winger, time for him to be dropped.

McInnes man marks in the middle. Therefor tries to follow his man(which he did poorly against the youngsters like McDonald and Robertson). Time and time again, he leaves a massive hole in the middle, and time and time again Dundee exploited this. Whats the point in playing a holding midfielder, if he doesnt hold the play? He needs to be in that hole to break the play up. He gave the ball away numerous times today. I can barely remember him doing anything positive at all.

You look at the Dundee midfield. They won everything, first ball and second ball. They can tackle, they can create chances. McInnes can't and IS past it.

And I think its time folk stop defending him, and giving the usual nonsense that he does the stuff we don't notice, as he clearly doesn't. All you have too look at how much the Dundee midfield controlled the play to emphasis that.

I feel sorry for Jackson and Deuchar. Both are having to feed of scraps of the long balls from defence.

Rae's substitutions and change of tactic, changed the game in there favour. Coyle did his usual. Bringing Weatherston on with under 10 mins left, and taking McLaren off instead of Sheerin is beggars belief. Weatherston should have been brought on WELL before then! What player can change a game in 8 minutes?

These mistakes are the mistakes that cost us the league last year. He isn't learning from them! We will once again miss out on promotion.

[Stamford Saintee]

I came on here for a wee bit of bantern but ghostie and he,s pals got personal,well who cares 2-1 the dees best team won next time at legoland we will play all the big boys fae the start.ps please keep deuchar cant believe you slag zemlik when he is on the go.seeeyaaaa

Maybe you should check your teams books and see how much debt your side is in....current estimate is £15million!!! Are you proud of that?!!You should have been relegated to the third division the last time you went into administration along with Motherwell and Livingston, at the very least a HUGE points deduction. Sort sides like your lot out...maybe your directors would have kept your house in order if that was the rules!!! Pity the Scottish football authorities havn't the balls to carry such a punishment out!

And by the way your ground is a shitehole! I spend £300 flying from London City to your "airport" to watch a football match and greeted at your snack servery by "aeehm sorry nae hot watir fur yir coffee and the pehs are cold cos we furgoat tae pit the oven oan!"

Would rather have gone to see Fulham v Reading!!!

Dundee to win the league......DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH! :***:

[Deek]

Coyle is tactically inept.

Its still hard to understand how he can't spot where the problems lie.

We have no midfield. The defence HAVE to resort to punting the ball to Deuchar, which clearly doesnt work. Sheerin is past it. I can't think of one good performance from him this season.

Sometimes I look at the positioning of him and wonder if hes instructed to drift into the middle? For the past few games he has been in further than Quinn. He's to old and to slow. He has lost his creative ability as the pace of the game is quicker than his feet and head.

McLaren - I personally blame Coyle. We have Deuchar (a target man) in the box crying to decent crosses so he can attack. (Both goals vrs Clyde were a resort of balls over from the wing) Surely you want players who can get to the byline and whip crosses in. What use is it to play a left footer on the right. He can't cross with his right so resorts to cutting in, giving the defence valuable time to close down, and get back to defend.

It defeats the purpose of using wingers. Also, Sheerin is no winger, time for him to be dropped.

McInnes man marks in the middle. Therefor tries to follow his man(which he did poorly against the youngsters like McDonald and Robertson). Time and time again, he leaves a massive hole in the middle, and time and time again Dundee exploited this. Whats the point in playing a holding midfielder, if he doesnt hold the play? He needs to be in that hole to break the play up. He gave the ball away numerous times today. I can barely remember him doing anything positive at all.

You look at the Dundee midfield. They won everything, first ball and second ball. They can tackle, they can create chances. McInnes can't and IS past it.

And I think its time folk stop defending him, and giving the usual nonsense that he does the stuff we don't notice, as he clearly doesn't. All you have too look at how much the Dundee midfield controlled the play to emphasis that.

I feel sorry for Jackson and Deuchar. Both are having to feed of scraps of the long balls from defence.

Rae's substitutions and change of tactic, changed the game in there favour. Coyle did his usual. Bringing Weatherston on with under 10 mins left, and taking McLaren off instead of Sheerin is beggars belief. Weatherston should have been brought on WELL before then! What player can change a game in 8 minutes?

These mistakes are the mistakes that cost us the league last year. He isn't learning from them! We will once again miss out on promotion.

Agree with pretty much all of that, although I don't think it's the midfield thats forcing the defence to punt the ball up to Deuchar. Main should be throwing the ball out to Stanic & Irvine (good attacking full-backs) far more often than punting the ball up to no one.

The defense should be trying to find Rocco, first and foremost, or Sheerin/Wullie. Can't complain about their defending but they need to pass the ball instead of taking the easy option of a big punt upfield.

I hope Coyle realises our weakness and just needs the time to get the right guys in. We had an old team last year that needed younger blood...some good young players have been brough in but there's still some work to be done.

[Dunfermline Saint]

Wasn't there and due to illness haven't seen many games this season.

it would be interesting to see what the MoM awards points are for players like Sheerin and Stanic are compared to this point last season. I am one of their biggest fans but is age perhaps catching up with them?

[templeofsaints]

Wasn't there and due to illness haven't seen many games this season.

it would be interesting to see what the MoM awards points are for players like Sheerin and Stanic are compared to this point last season. I am one of their biggest fans but is age perhaps catching up with them?

Unfortunately that's true. Stanic rarely made a mistake before this season (maybe one or two a game max neither costly). This year he's been caught sleeping a couple of times and is struggling for pace. He's still a good player but not as good as last year.

Sheerin is the same - he can be good going forward if there's support behind him but with Goran not forward as much and Sheerin drifting into the middle more we have no real presence on the left wing. If Sheerin is being told to play through the middle fair enough but he can't tackle and his close play has been poor. Along with McInnes it means we have two slow players in midfield and yesterday were run ragged. Badly missing Hardie.

[dee4life]

Stamford,I,m sorry your trip was not enjoyable,I am down london next week so I wil say hello.Point 1 we are not in debt 15m and are on a stable footing now point 2 totally agree dens is a shithole but at least the whole ground gets used and no home end is shut and you have a choice of pubs nearby if you like a drink but the main stand and dens road end are a mess me and my mate yesterday were laughing about the state of the dens road end at ht yesterday and point 3 again totally agree withe the refreshments at dens an absolute joke and never use them.Had a nice pie and coffee and mcdiarmid although you did have us standing in the rain for 15 mins to open the gates.But here nevermind its only a game eh.

[SJC]

Even IF Dundee were £15 million in debt then we should be well above them if they are in so much trouble.

They restructured their debt anyway and are not in trouble anymore.

Dundees a shitehole, but they won the damn match yesterday and thats ALL that matters.

I fn hate that club but I also hate Saints fans who take pride in the fact that we are not in debt, hardly any clubs are in trouble due to this anyway!

Not being in debt will not get us into the SPL!

I wasn't there yesterday due to illness but it sounded like the same story, miss chances score then brick it and concede.

[Jamie_Beatson]

Sheerin is spending too much of his time drifting inside to support McInnes who spent most of his time yesterday punting the ball out of the park. I know people say he does a lot of good work off the ball, but at the end of the day I'm sure we could find someone to do that job who doesn't have feet like an elephant when he gets the ball.

Think McLaren should be out left and Weatherston out right - hopefully they would give us some penetration down the flanks. Rocco in the middle with someone defensively minded to break up play would be a great combination I think.

McLaren is getting an awful lot of stick, but I think he has played well recently. The fact he has to cut inside to cross it every time or use his unfavoured right foot every time does not help his end product.

[templeofsaints]

McLaren is getting an awful lot of stick, but I think he has played well recently. The fact he has to cut inside to cross it every time or use his unfavoured right foot every time does not help his end product.

Wullie is fine when Irvine gets forward to support him but Gary barely got over the halfway line for the second-half yesterday due to covering against Swankie.

And while we're on the subject of wrong feet can someone please tell Irvine to use only his right foot - at least two panic punts with his left yesterday were almost as wild as a McInnes pass.:***:

[Cagey]

Maybe you should check your teams books and see how much debt your side is in....current estimate is £15million!!! Are you proud of that?!!You should have been relegated to the third division the last time you went into administration along with Motherwell and Livingston, at the very least a HUGE points deduction. Sort sides like your lot out...maybe your directors would have kept your house in order if that was the rules!!! Pity the Scottish football authorities havn't the balls to carry such a punishment out!

And by the way your ground is a shitehole! I spend £300 flying from London City to your "airport" to watch a football match and greeted at your snack servery by "aeehm sorry nae hot watir fur yir coffee and the pehs are cold cos we furgoat tae pit the oven oan!"

Would rather have gone to see Fulham v Reading!!!

Dundee to win the league......DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH! :***:

Why does everyone feed this guys ego by responding to him. Ignore his windups & he will go away.

[Flemski]

unlucky lads, best team won in the end

[blueheaven]

Dundee are nothing fancy but they're working for each other and digging in - something Owen's side doesn't seem to have mastered yet (all the more annoying after the way we did so against SPL sides last year).

I wasn't there yesterday and haven't seen many games this season, but I wonder how much of our loss of that aspect of our game is due to this season's absence of Mensing, Hardie and James?

[templeofsaints]

I'd say we're missing Hardie's dig in midfield. McInnes doesn't have the pace to mark players for 90 minutes and too often yesterday the McInnes / Sheerin partnership was left for dead when Dundee broke up the park.

[saint in exile]

Why does everyone feed this guys ego by responding to him. Ignore his windups & he will go away.

Exactly if they don`t get a respond they will go away.It`s all pretty childish on both sides.

[Hazel1884]

With a bit of perspective upon yesterday you can see people are clearly hurting after losing to the scum! Haven't read all the thread but this is my view...

Dundee are a physical physical side who defend well and have the pace to play the counter attack game - we struggled with this, but IMO the slating of Willie McLaren is unjustified to an extent. He shows what he can do but too many times people don't look for him, and to be honest it was always going to be far too physical a game for McLaren and i didn't expect him to be in the starting line up. I mentioned this at kick off and said i was surprised not to see Davie Weatherston in there.

Thought our best players yesterday were the back 4. That says alot. Sheerin looks tired, and looks like he could do with a rest but he's not "been shit for 2 years" as i read on this thread briefly...he's had a few fantastic games this season, and i'm sure he will get back to it. He's being asked to go out on the left and it's a lot of work for an old boy you know!:wink:

I thought Rocco was doing the job of him and McInnes, as well as going out to cover McLaren at times and put in a power of work. Thought he was going to run the show, but struggled after 20 minutes due to doing other people's work. This also obviously had a knock on affect on the front two and caused them to drop back for the ball again...even Peaso was doing this when he came on.

One other thing is the hunger? There looked to be nothing and we've gone back to being second to the ball and waiting for the ball to come to the player - we were particularly bad for that at the start of the season and it looked it yesterday.

However, it's not all doom and gloom. The defence were pretty solid yesterday (apart from the few passbacks!) and we know we can do it - we never play well at Dens (or generally infront of a good away support!) but once we conceed a goal there's nobody giving it the heads up and leading them on in my opinion. In the words of Richard Gordon (or 208Saint!) "We can do this!"

[dee4life]

Exactly if they don`t get a respond they will go away.It`s all pretty childish on both sides.

Suppose your right but its just a laugh on my part,I go on dundee forums and without other fans visiting it can get a bit tedious.I work with a couple of saints fans and we get on fine.Its toungue in cheek and dont want to offend anyone although I am obviously delighted with the result yesterday.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Suppose your right but its just a laugh on my part,I go on dundee forums and without other fans visiting it can get a bit tedious.I work with a couple of saints fans and we get on fine.Its toungue in cheek and dont want to offend anyone although I am obviously delighted with the result yesterday.

Hey Dickie boy I can,t believe it .You and me are agreeing on something.A bit of pre match-post match tongue in cheek banter is exactly that. If you cannae have a laugh and a bit of a wind up and piss take ,then whats the point.

having said that your still a skanky smelly coagie b*stard:***: And obviously I,m not delighted with yesterdays result:(

P.S. I know you weren't banging your sister the other day cos me and a few of the boys were having a go!!!!!

Till the next time.See ya Dickie

[Hazel1884]

As much as i love good ole coagie bashing and the banter can we stop the stupid posts and talk about the game? This thread would prob be a lot shorter and a lot better without it!

Lets talk about the game!:mrgreen:

Oh and i got in for a kid, as did many people overage so no extra dosh for them from us! Well done Saintees!

[7-2]

Oh and i got in for a kid
Good to see they are still bartering with children in juteville. Suppose sending the bairns up chimneys is still a major career through there.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

As much as i love good ole coagie bashing and the banter can we stop the stupid posts and talk about the game? This thread would prob be a lot shorter and a lot better without it!

Lets talk about the game!:mrgreen:

Oh and i got in for a kid, as did many people overage so no extra dosh for them from us! Well done Saintees!

I think every thing that needed to be said about "THE GAME" has been.And who appointed you as the judge of what the thread would be better with or without. What you dont like don,t read.As for length of the thread; I was not aware we had size restrictions in the forum...

If you want to talk about the game would it not be better to start a Saints Dunfermline thread as thats what we need to concentrate now.:-)

[Hazel1884]

I think every thing that needed to be said about "THE GAME" has been.And who appointed you as the judge of what the thread would be better with or without. What you dont like don,t read.As for length of the thread; I was not aware we had size restrictions in the forum...

If you want to talk about the game would it not be better to start a Saints Dunfermline thread as thats what we need to concentrate now.:-)

Woah Woah Woah!

Don't get on at me, the more you give the Dundee fans attention like there is the more they will return to be on the 'wind up' and the more this will turn into P&B of wind ups...trying to have a decent discussion is hard because reading pages upon pointless posts from them!

And there is bandwidth issues was there not, hence there's no avatars and things is there not? :wink:

Lets get this aftermath over and then on to Saints vs Dunfermline during the week...:mrgreen:

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Woah Woah Woah!

Don't get on at me, the more you give the Dundee fans attention like there is the more they will return to be on the 'wind up' and the more this will turn into P&B of wind ups...trying to have a decent discussion is hard because reading pages upon pointless posts from them!

And there is bandwidth issues was there not, hence there's no avatars and things is there not? :wink:

Lets get this aftermath over and then on to Saints vs Dunfermline during the week...:mrgreen:

Too Right...'Mon the Saints...Mon the Hazel...:)

[Saintly Child]

Didn't think we played too bad, the middle of the park is a problem with Sherrin finished and McIness finished years ago.
McDonald is hopeless aswell and needs to go with the other two.

Still think we are a far better team than the Accies and the Dee.

We will win this league this season it's only 10 points and I don't include Dundee as a major threat.

I would bet my house on it.

[sconesjfc]

[QUOTE=Broon;106854]Wulllie on the right wing - seriously - is this his love child? Not a patch on Weatherston but hell that doesn't matter. McLaren is the most irritating player I have ever watched. He can do something brilliant but his end product is shite. Bin him - waste of space.

Your right he is pish, he has had a few games to prove him self but looks sh#te, time to give Weatherstone a go.

[mainstand]

i trust that some of the footballing geniuses on here will be applying for the saints job when OC does eventually move in years to come. :)After all they always seems to be able to tell us how inept OC is and how the tactics that he chose were wrong. It is always very easy to criticise with the benefit of hindsight, that's why most of our footballing pundits never quite made it in management.

[Al C]

Think McLaren should be out left and Weatherston out right - hopefully they would give us some penetration down the flanks.

McLaren is getting an awful lot of stick, but I think he has played well recently.

If McLaren plays on the left will this stop him pulling out of almost every challenge he ever goes in for? There was an instance yesterday where he actually produced a terrific bit of skill, left the full back for dead who had slid in late and was poised to run up the flank for what looked a meanignful Saints attack. Instead McLaren stopped and claimed for a free kick that wasn't given. On another occasion Quinn played a delightful ball in to him at the back post, far from an easy chance but a shot at goal was a given. Instead he looked at the ball unconvincingly and it ran out for a goal kick.

McLaren is probably the most frustrating player at the club in that he can on occasion produce moments of superb skill or deliver a great assist, on others however to me he looks completely disinterested and would rather be anywhere else other than in a St.Johnstone shirt.

[Cagey]

Coyle is doing him no favouirs by playing him on the right.As has been said many times he has to move infield instead of going to the byline to put over dangerous crosses away from the defence rather than looping crosses down thier throuts.
The reason he didn`t go for the cross to the back post was that he does not have a right foot.Before a smartarse gets in first.He does have a right foot but can`t use.

Any player who does not go for a 50/50 ball or in Wullies case a 60/40 ball has no place in professional football unfortunately.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

If McLaren plays on the left will this stop him pulling out of almost every challenge he ever goes in for? There was an instance yesterday where he actually produced a terrific bit of skill, left the full back for dead who had slid in late and was poised to run up the flank for what looked a meanignful Saints attack. Instead McLaren stopped and claimed for a free kick that wasn't given. On another occasion Quinn played a delightful ball in to him at the back post, far from an easy chance but a shot at goal was a given. Instead he looked at the ball unconvincingly and it ran out for a goal kick.

McLaren is probably the most frustrating player at the club in that he can on occasion produce moments of superb skill or deliver a great assist, on others however to me he looks completely disinterested and would rather be anywhere else other than in a St.Johnstone shirt.

You are 100% spot on with that post although I,m sure some folk aint gonna like it and will call you disloyal etc,etc,etc..

[Ali91]

You are 100% spot on with that post although I,m sure some folk aint gonna like it and will call you disloyal etc,etc,etc..

why would anyone call him disloyal? people are entitled to their opinion just i have a different one. mclaren had been good in his spell in the first team imo.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

why would anyone call him disloyal? people are entitled to their opinion just i have a different one. mclaren had been good in his spell in the first team imo.

The reason I said that, was normally when you post some thing a bit contentious and against the norm somebody slates you .Look back through previous post on previous subjects and you will see exactly what I mean...Wee Wullie has been a very contentious subject with some emotive comments both for and against him.:-)

[7-2]

The reason I said that, was normally when you post some thing a bit contentious and against the norm somebody slates you .Look back through previous post on previous subjects and you will see exactly what I mean...Wee Wullie has been a very contentious subject with some emotive comments both for and against him.:-)
The boy ghost speaks the truth Ali. Dare to say a word against Geoff, OC, Kevin James, the scoreboard or the colour of the seats and boys oh boys oh boy are you on dangerous ground on here.

[Nick]

i trust that some of the footballing geniuses on here will be applying for the saints job when OC does eventually move in years to come. :)After all they always seems to be able to tell us how inept OC is and how the tactics that he chose were wrong. It is always very easy to criticise with the benefit of hindsight, that's why most of our footballing pundits never quite made it in management.


Don't be stupid.

I think any person with a basic knowledge of football, can see where the problems lie. But we continue to play the same tactics over and over again.

These mistakes are the same mistakes which were made last year. Are you happy with another year in Div one?

Most of the board have the same oppionion. Purely becuase the problems are that obvious.

but if your happy with two aging midfielders who offer nothing, and could easily be replaced by hungrier and better youngsters, and playing the same tactics, and same substitutions week in week out, good for you. But I predict alot more draws and defeats.

[slf]

Are you happy with another year in Div one?



YES



The reasons being we should win more games in div 1 a bit of entertainment .how many points out of 8 times we play the OF will we get.Not to mention their obnoxious fans 8 times a year.Smacks of lack of ambition,no i say there are still the cup competitions .At least we not going to have seasons stuck ,fed up ,bored,similar to the likes of stmirren or falkirk as examples.Dont know how their fans can stick it.Better where we are winning more than we lose and hopefully a nice cup run.This is our level .spl is crap and too restictive.I would rather us having good seasons in div 1 and doing it in the cup.you just cannot enjoy the spl when you are stifled and constantly losing even though you dont go down.Its reality .
Owen and the lads for the cup

[oldsaintee]

YES



The reasons being we should win more games in div 1 a bit of entertainment .how many points out of 8 times we play the OF will we get.Not to mention their obnoxious fans 8 times a year.Smacks of lack of ambition,no i say there are still the cup competitions .At least we not going to have seasons stuck ,fed up ,bored,similar to the likes of stmirren or falkirk as examples.Dont know how their fans can stick it.Better where we are winning more than we lose and hopefully a nice cup run.This is our level .spl is crap and too restictive.I would rather us having good seasons in div 1 and doing it in the cup.you just cannot enjoy the spl when you are stifled and constantly losing even though you dont go down.Its reality .
Owen and the lads for the cup

Hear Hear that man

[Simon Quinlank]

P.S. Info been heard 3rd hand now via Dev on Pie and bovril

More to the point, why has Devindra abandoned his own forum in favour of using that P&B nonsense??

[Ronaldo]

They started it's rise in the mid 70's when they appointed manager Jim MacLean and assistant Walter Smith (once a United player) and seemed to combine shrewd purchases including Frank Kopel, Willie Pettigrew and Henry Hall and Alex Rennie from us with a high quality youth policy which brought through Dave Narey, Paul Hegarty, Paul Sturrock, Davie Dodds, Richard Gough Raymond Stewart etc.
Correction - Paul Hegarty was bought as a young player from Hamilton. I'm sure he finished his career with us or near enough in Alex Totten's Barmy Army team of 1989/90..

[Ronaldo]

YES



The reasons being we should win more games in div 1 a bit of entertainment .how many points out of 8 times we play the OF will we get.Not to mention their obnoxious fans 8 times a year.Smacks of lack of ambition,no i say there are still the cup competitions .At least we not going to have seasons stuck ,fed up ,bored,similar to the likes of stmirren or falkirk as examples.Dont know how their fans can stick it.Better where we are winning more than we lose and hopefully a nice cup run.This is our level .spl is crap and too restictive.I would rather us having good seasons in div 1 and doing it in the cup.you just cannot enjoy the spl when you are stifled and constantly losing even though you dont go down.Its reality .
Owen and the lads for the cup
You make a good point Roy but is that not beause the SPL is too small, it should be 18 teams and we'd only need to play the OF once each at home but then it actually means something then. A bigger league means more open attaking football rather than the great negative Scottish sides of recent years. Even harlie Christie said that before he jacked it in. More variety too. It's a bit tedious playing the same teams every quarter.

[slf]

You make a good point Roy but is that not beause the SPL is too small, it should be 18 teams and we'd only need to play the OF once each at home but then it actually means something then. A bigger league means more open attaking football rather than the great negative Scottish sides of recent years. Even harlie Christie said that before he jacked it in. More variety too. It's a bit tedious playing the same teams every quarter.

thats right ronaldo.The spl is too small and should be either 16 or 18 teams.Cant think of any country that has a top league of 12,that plays each other 4 times with a split .Its a joke .And the excuse the nation isnt big enough to have a bigger top league is bollocks.What we need is entertaining .

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

thats right ronaldo.The spl is too small and should be either 16 or 18 teams.Cant think of any country that has a top league of 12,that plays each other 4 times with a split .Its a joke .And the excuse the nation isnt big enough to have a bigger top league is bollocks.What we need is entertaining .

I have always found YOU very entertaining Mr. scooter boy:wink: Especially in the court...R.Mc IS inoccent honest mr judge.He didnae smash any bus windows........:rolleyes:

[slf]

I have always found YOU very entertaining Mr. scooter boy:wink: Especially in the court...R.Mc IS inoccent honest mr judge.He didnae smash any bus windows........:rolleyes:

you know full well who broke the windees and thanks for being a star witness ha ha

[Calypso Kid]

thats right ronaldo.The spl is too small and should be either 16 or 18 teams.Cant think of any country that has a top league of 12,that plays each other 4 times with a split .Its a joke .And the excuse the nation isnt big enough to have a bigger top league is bollocks.What we need is entertaining .

I think its important to remember that we are partly to blame for the whole one up one down situation. Its a bit rich moaning about it when we as a club voted the policy in to play.

[garydavidson]

Exactly if they don`t get a respond they will go away.It`s all pretty childish on both sides.

think its worth highlighting BOTH SIDE it was quite obvious he was going to come on here after the game. if your going to give it out you have to take it too.

I keep forgetting that hardie is out, is he going to get a chance to play with rocco so we can at least have two men in the middle finally.

on a note about willie i have noticed it seems to take a long time to get started and some games just does not do it. is he any good as a sub so we can get 20 mins out of him near the end if a game?

[blueheaven]

thats right ronaldo.The spl is too small and should be either 16 or 18 teams.Cant think of any country that has a top league of 12,that plays each other 4 times with a split .Its a joke .And the excuse the nation isnt big enough to have a bigger top league is bollocks.What we need is entertaining .

I agree that the current set-up is rubbish, but how is an increase to 16 or 18 going to make things more entertaining? From what I can see, the only thing such a change adds to the equation is even more meaningless games than there are at the moment. Remember, the whole reason a set-up with smaller leagues was chosen in the first place was because it was thought that everyone would have something to play for and that would be more entertaining.

[Ronaldo]

I agree that the current set-up is rubbish, but how is an increase to 16 or 18 going to make things more entertaining? From what I can see, the only thing such a change adds to the equation is even more meaningless games than there are at the moment. Remember, the whole reason a set-up with smaller leagues was chosen in the first place was because it was thought that everyone would have something to play for and that would be more entertaining.
i don't agree with this meaningless games of a larger league. Let's say it were 18 for example SJFC would have all these teams at home - Dundee, Hamilton, Partick, Morton, Livingston, QOS, Dunfermline, Rangers, Celtic, Hibernian, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd. Gretna, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St.Mirren, Falkirk and Inverness CT.

Variety for the players and fans and of course much more alternative styles and tactics.
It allows for teams who might be 14th or something the mental framework to attack.
You don't get bored seeing the same teams all the time.
No SPL split.
You can introduce youngsters much more easily.
It's easoier to get promotion again to the top league.
A small team and their fans can achieve dreams for a season or two, I seen Arbroath in the top flight.
There will be high scoring occasionally by the bigger teams and ocasionally shocks.
You can easily get six live radio games out of nine games.

The move to a 10 team SPL, now 12 was to make the top league more competitive but I wouldn't say it's more entertaining, that we're better off in Europe, but instead our managers are more defensive/cautious minded and our players don't express themselves as much as in the past. It's too tight. Also with one relegation place it's stagnant. The big five want it that way because football is simply about money not much more. Ironically Hearts and Hibs have both been in the 1st division but would have just been a bottom six club in a bigger league and been able to rebuild their squads, an option which is not available today. Dunfermline, Partick, Livi, Saints etc would not have had the financial shocks they have all had to accept since they might just have had a year or two in the lower part of the league. So the financial arguement is not that clear cut.

As Roy said and many others including professionals believe the current setup stifles teams and the leagues are too tight. Other small countries have larger leagues - Holland, Belguim, Sweden, Norway, Portugal etc. it's not just for the big nations.

I've witnessed both and I much preferred the 18 team league system.

[mainstand]

Most of the board have the same oppionion. Purely becuase the problems are that obvious.



So are you trying to say that OC does not have the full backing of the board?

[Al C]

From today's Dundee Liar - http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/11/06/sportstory10515411t0.asp

Quite right to seek clarification in my opinion.

[slf]

I think its important to remember that we are partly to blame for the whole one up one down situation. Its a bit rich moaning about it when we as a club voted the policy in to play.

when did i get a vote.when were my views taken into account,and for that matter the majority of football fans in scotland regardless of club.so dont blame the supporters .

[blueheaven]

i don't agree with this meaningless games of a larger league. Let's say it were 18 for example SJFC would have all these teams at home - Dundee, Hamilton, Partick, Morton, Livingston, QOS, Dunfermline, Rangers, Celtic, Hibernian, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd. Gretna, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St.Mirren, Falkirk and Inverness CT.

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. I don't really see that league as being particularly entertaining at all. I think it's almost certain that, within 10 years, everyone would be complaining about the low crowds brought about by the meaningless games, and everyone would start saying "oh, wouldn't it be great if we changed to a top elite league of 10 or 12 clubs". You're effectively giving automatic promotion to the likes of QoS and Morton who haven't even come close to earning it - if you put that league in place next season, you'd have clubs like QoS, Clyde, Morton etc going to Ibrox and Parkhead and getting walloped. It wouldn't increase the level of competition - if anything it would make things much, much worse, and even more ridiculous.

I know I've said it on here before, but I want to see an SPL1 and SPL2 of 12 teams each, where the clubs play each other twice (22 games) before splitting into a top Championship league of 8, a Play-Off league of 8, and a Relegation league of 8 (playing each other twice again which amounts to 36 games in a season, increased variety, more to play for, a better chance than at present of smaller clubs getting some matches against the OF, etc etc etc).

[Ronaldo]

I know I've said it on here before, but I want to see an SPL1 and SPL2 of 12 teams each, where the clubs play each other twice (22 games) before splitting into a top Championship league of 8, a Play-Off league of 8, and a Relegation league of 8 (playing each other twice again which amounts to 36 games in a season, increased variety, more to play for, a better chance than at present of smaller clubs getting some matches against the OF, etc etc etc).
I explained that system on here and it is based on what Gordon Smith experienced in his playing days in Switzerland. I would acccept that.

I want to know why Scotland today produces decent goalkeepers, defenders and midfielders but has very limited forward talent. Is this because of coaching, the league setup or a generational thing?