Partick Thistle vs. Saints 01/12/07

[SJFC1988,]

This game will be interesting to see what formation McInness will play. And if he will play himself!

I would like to see a similar formation played on sunday 4-3-3.

Think well win 3-1:cool: :)

Whats everyones pridictions?!:-o

[StDuncM]

This game will be interesting to see what formation McInness will play. And if he will play himself!

I would like to see a similar formation played on sunday 4-3-3.

Think well win 3-1:cool: :)

Whats everyones pridictions?!:-o


They will be in the Prediction Thread presumably.

[garydavidson]

I really dont know last few times i have been to see us round the corner from me it has been rather a crappy experience.

Hopefully this will be fresher - new ideas maybe a couple of changes on the pitch or bench.

for me the biggest question for me is will mcinness play, if he has no assistant it would mean leading from the pitch.

[SJFC1988,]

main

irvine mcmanus anderson stanic

quinn hardie sheerin

jackson deuchar milne

[ancientsaint]

I really dont know last few times i have been to see us round the corner from me it has been rather a crappy experience.

Hopefully this will be fresher - new ideas maybe a couple of changes on the pitch or bench.

for me the biggest question for me is will mcinness play, if he has no assistant it would mean leading from the pitch.

New to this forum !! Ive never been a great fan of Derek McInnes as a Saints player-always felt that he was not giving 100% and seemed to upset the midfield...a bit like HANNAH when he was here...BUT i will get behind him as manager and if he is taking this seriously then he CANNOT play and manage from the field..he MUST watch from the dugout and see what needs changing.

Thistle are always difficult to play against and i hope we have no hangover from the "cup" success.

Its time to "go on a run" and get back within touching distance of the top 2.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Lets get back to the good old days of 4-0!!!

[Rodgers]

main

irvine mcmanus anderson stanic

quinn hardie sheerin

jackson deuchar milne


i like that


gutted i can't make it! got a wedding, wearing the saints tartan though, so il be there in spirt:D

[7-2]

One slight tweak to SJFCs team -

main

irvine ruti anderson stanic

quinn hardie sheerin

jackson deuchar milne

[SingaporeSaint]

New manager's first game historicaly done well, I think a win without McInnes in the starting 11 but on the bench.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Will be there tomorrow and am confident Del will get of to a great start with a comprehensive victory. Looking like Rusty will come in for McManus and with a bit of luck Del will name himself as a sub. Lets hope the team is


.................................................. ..Main............................................ ..

....Irving..........................Rusty....Ando. .............Stanic...........


Rocco.....................................Hardie.. ...........................Sheerin.....

Milne.......................Doc( go on my son)...................McDonald...............


Subbies...Cat, McInnes, Jacko,Weatherston,Lawrie..


COME ON YOU SAINTS

[Kevin]

Will be there tomorrow and am confident Del will get of to a great start with a comprehensive victory. Looking like Rusty will come in for McManus and with a bit of luck Del will name himself as a sub. Lets hope the team is


.................................................. ..Main............................................ ..

....Irving..........................Rusty....Ando. .............Stanic...........


Rocco.....................................Hardie.. ...........................Sheerin.....

Milne.......................Doc( go on my son)...................McDonald...............


Subbies...Cat, McInnes, Jacko,Weatherston,Lawrie..


COME ON YOU SAINTS

That;s one very nice looking side you've picked there Mr Ghost :D

[Nairn Saint]

Personally I would like Derek McInnes to play in this one although I will understand if he doesn't. I think he will be well fired up for it and at the moment we lack a suitable replacement. I hope he has Moon involved ASAP and am encouraged by his comments about him.

Any win will do for me to get the pressure off the new management team.

All the best Del and Rodney!

[blueheaven]

Here's wishing the new boss a good start.

And let me be the first to say, on behalf of all of us, "FURFUXAKE McINNES, GET THE SUBS ON!!!".

:D

[Nairn Saint]

Here's wishing the new boss a good start.

And let me be the first to say, on behalf of all of us, "FURFUXAKE McINNES, GET THE SUBS ON!!!".

:D

:***:

[Nairn Saint]

Hardie starts.

Savo on the bench.

No listing for Del!

Ruti in for Mcmanus.

Doc, Jacko and Peaso up front!

Hold on to your seats!

[MUZZ]

Hardie starts.

Savo on the bench.

No listing for Del!

Ruti in for Mcmanus.

Doc, Jacko and Peaso up front!

Hold on to your seats!


i like this already!

[SJC]

Playing 3 up front can go either way, big win or big defeat.

I expect Peaso will be playing on the left wing rather than up front.

[Kevin]

I will update live on the Music Form pages as I will have to delete it straight after for legal reasons

[blueheaven]

No McManus even on the bench - is he injured, or did he steal some Haribo from McInnes at some point and the new boss is finally in a position to get his own back?

It also looks like perhaps McInnes doesn't share OC's love of wingers?

[Kevin]

He's injured

[TheBigCheese]

The 'Live' thread has now gone. Post-match discussion here.

2-2 Full time, sounds like it was a disappointing game but a great comeback to snatch a point a la Dumfries on the first day of the season. We need to start winning these games though.

[MUZZ]

another draw! uefa are watching the match fixers saints!

[Johnstoun]

I'd rather get the point that way than Thistle's! The players will have come away with a lift from that, and need to kick on.

[St Mikey]

I don't think we should be happy and gloss over a pretty poor result.

We now find ourselves miles behind 11 points behind Dundee(4 wins) and now a staggering 14 points behind Hamilton (5 wins).

Championship is over is far as I'm concerned. Tie up Deuchar and Rocco on contracts and try next season.

Lets be fair WE HAVE ONLY WON 4 GAMES IN THE LEAGUE THIS SEASON!! 28% conversion. Thats utter mince!

Cmon Saints, get it sorted. Mid table finish with the Cup win is not acceptable for us!

[SJC]

The players need a kick alright, up the arse!

More ground lost on the leaders, we're now an unbelievable 11 points behind Dundee and 14 behind Hamilton.

Another few draws like this and we'll be well down the league.

[SJC]

I hope we sign Deuchar, but Quinn can go back to Celtic. He drifts out of games far too easily and hasn't actually done much since he's been at the club.

[Saintly Child]

I hope we sign Deuchar, but Quinn can go back to Celtic. He drifts out of games far too easily and hasn't actually done much since he's been at the club.


Are you drunk he's been the best player this season.

Can't believe we are 11 points behind Dundee has that ever happened?

[garydavidson]

gary irvine needs new boots can we start a studs for irvine christmas appeal?

never have i seen someone spend so much time during the game on their ass. the pitch was a state with the rugby lines still shown what gave it a battering.

we were woeful but a great come back took the referee about 75 minutes to award us a free kick. hardie was not fit enough to last the game and was hardly in it. struggle to find a player for us who stood out. probably rocco was the best of a bad bunch.

after half time we had a few good chances partick had 4 shots 2 of which they scored.

we need to get something fresh in that team. peso is not a left wingger why play him there when we have tricky guys that can get down the line?

a nice finish to a pish performance.

[SJC]

I don't think Quinn has been anywhere near our best player!

Main, Anderson, McManus, Sheerin, and Dr Deu have all been better than him.

Quinn is brilliant in the first half of games but then fades out more often than not.

[Gods Favourite Angel]

I don't think we should be happy and gloss over a pretty poor result.

We now find ourselves miles behind 11 points behind Dundee(4 wins) and now a staggering 14 points behind Hamilton (5 wins).



were nearer the bottom of the league than the top now!!!!!:( :(

[SJC]

We've been nearer the bottom than the top for a few weeks now....

[Calypso Kid]

I didn't realise there were only 5 teams in the division? Remember chaps we have a game in hand(useless if we get beat i know). I had abandoned all hope with 15 mins to go and turned the radio off. Delighted when i saw the result though.

[Ali91]

I don't think Quinn has been anywhere near our best player!

Main, Anderson, McManus, Sheerin, and Dr Deu have all been better than him.

Quinn is brilliant in the first half of games but then fades out more often than not.

they've really not. quinns been class for us so far imo. If we get him on a permanant basis it would be a great signing.

[saintX]

Wow - what a finish! I hope nobody was working at 6, realised we were well beaten and decided to leave a couple of minutes early to try and get a taxi to their flat in Glasgow rather than walk in the pouring rain to the underground.

Just me then?

On a brighter note, there was no taxis, i got soaked through and when i got home there was no hot water for a shower. Braw afternoon out - can't believe we got a point.

[Finners]

I don't think Quinn has been anywhere near our best player!

Main, Anderson, McManus, Sheerin, and Dr Deu have all been better than him.

Quinn is brilliant in the first half of games but then fades out more often than not.

Main? What's he done. Done everything ok but nothing brilliantly. Been crucially caught out on a few occasions.

I'm sorry but this game has triggered off my impatience at saints title efforts. Every season same story and I just can't accept it any longer. I had the patience to say even if OC didnt get us promoted thsi season to keep him anyway but since he's gone I still was quite happy about mcinnes getting the job. Now don't get me wrong I think the way saints are run is great - wouldnt have it any other way but I think we actually need a little injection from big geoff now if we're going to get out this league. I'm not asknig for millions upon millions but there are key players we could of signed e.g. Offiong and Mensing back on loan for short term. It shows how Hamilton have done so well in the transfer market now look at their league position.

For me the league is over so invest for NEXT season. Yes, I know we came back against Gretna last year but it won't happen this season.

[Calypso Kid]

Wow - what a finish! I hope nobody was working at 6, realised we were well beaten and decided to leave a couple of minutes early to try and get a taxi to their flat in Glasgow rather than walk in the pouring rain to the underground.

Just me then?

On a brighter note, there was no taxis, i got soaked through and when i got home there was no hot water for a shower. Braw afternoon out - can't believe we got a point.

Do you get paid to sit and post on here?! Get some work done!

[saintX]

Do you get paid to sit and post on here?! Get some work done!

It's research. Honest!

[saint_markperth]

The 'Live' thread has now gone. Post-match discussion here.



Can they not be archived? i like to read reactions and info from the game. I now dont know who played subs or that, Info i would usually get from the match thread

[TheBigCheese]

Can they not be archived? i like to read reactions and info from the game. I now dont know who played subs or that, Info i would usually get from the match thread

There was some text commentary from the game on the thread so it had to be binned because it's not really legal hence the separate 'Live' thread for today. In contrast to you, I can't stand reading several pages of people posting the same information over and over again (even if some of the crap is from me) when I'm trying to get some info from people who were actually there so this has worked out quite nicely.

[dave mc]

Wow - what a finish! I hope nobody was working at 6, realised we were well beaten and decided to leave a couple of minutes early to try and get a taxi to their flat in Glasgow rather than walk in the pouring rain to the underground.

Just me then?

On a brighter note, there was no taxis, i got soaked through and when i got home there was no hot water for a shower. Braw afternoon out - can't believe we got a point.

Naw,i did it too!! I never leave early,but wanted a flier out the traffic.Pissed off i missed the goals,but pleased we stole a point.Wonder if their goaly was still time wasting at 2-2 !! Thought the 4-3-3 was not working early on,and should have gone back to 4-4-2.Hardie was never fit to play 90 mins,Peaso isn't suited to play wide,we were getting over run a lot in midfield.Both their goals were quite low crosses,albeit heading height, that we should have defended better.

[Radford 72]

Who's wasting time now Johnny?

I'm sorry but when the home team comes out and wastes time from the first minute of the second half, they deserve everything they get. Even more so when after conceding one, they just kick the ball back to Saints and pile everyone behind the ball! Was that an instruction from McCall?

Anyway, we were very poor in the first half and DMc's change of tactics didn't work. We missed his dig in the midfield and Jackson and Peaso struggled in the wide positions of a 4-3-3. Thistle's dangerman was Liam Buchanan who never stopped running and created both goals, I think.

The first goal came when he chased a ball over the top (a tactic Thistle used very well) and beat Anderson all ends up before crossing for an unmarked Roberts, whose header wasn't the best but Alan Main had slipped in the build up and couldn't get back across in time. It's a long time since I've seen Anderson turned like that.

I thought we improved after the break and finally had something resembling a midfield as we tried to pass the ball. Thistle scored the second though when another cross saw Chaplain power a header home. I thought Main looked a bit suspect. Thistle should have had a third when Buchanan broke through but lobbed wide. They also hit the bar from a cross after Irvine lost possession in his right back position.

Saints kept on plugging away though and the introduction of Milne and Weatherston helped us a bit. We pulled one back when Milne was downed in the box and Sheerin smashed home then after having the ball gifted back to us by Thistle equalised when Kenny Deuchar rose to power home a header inside the six yard box.

A point shouldn't disguise the fact that for long spells we weren't good enough today but the battling qualities of this group shown through yet again.

I thought the referee was a disgrace and gave us nothing until the final ten minutes, I thought the pitch was a disgrace, although we know the reasons why it's like that and I don't begrudge Thistle making money and I thought there were a couple of shocking challenges on Irvine and Quinn near the end.

Feels like a victory but shouldn't mask a not brilliant performance.

[Steve Maskrey]

I thought we struggled with the poor conditions in the first half and our cross-field passes were going like rockets out of play. We didn't really learn from this until the second half. If Main hadn't have slipped, he would've prevented their first goal but that doesn't excuse the bad defending. I agree that Jackson and Peaso both struggled playing the wide positions.

The second half was a little better when we kept the ball on the ground and made some neat short passes but I didn't think we were ever going to get back into the game until we got the penalty. Brilliant finish to the game though!

I see no-one noticed that McLaren wasn't even on the bench!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Once again we we pish.Okay so we snatched a point but we were rank rotten for 89 minutes.I,m sure I saw Steve McQueen and Donald Pleasance lurking in the heavy rain outside Firhill.League is almost gone now. We will need to win every game between now and April and then hope that Scumdee and Hamilton bomb at some point which is highly unlikley.

On a positive note at least we wont be able to play the big punt up the middle next week as we won't have a target man .We have got to start playing football. I say this every week, pass and fecking move, make youself available for the return pass. It,s not rocket science.Next week Weatherstone and Savo MUST be on from the start and I,d also start with Mooner............... 4-4-2 Midfield of Moon ,Hardie,Sheerin,Quinn....Weatherstone and Savo up front!!!!!!!!!

Always a Saintee

[Ronaldo]

McInnes why did you drop yourself! :***:
I wasn't there but when I heard the team I thought great he's gone 4-3-3 but that requires different thinking. Not sure how Ruti played, Hardie was his stamina up to par and Savo did he look sharp? I thought Partick away would be hard since Dundee drew there recently but Hamilton beat them at home on there pitch. Hamilton now look stronger with Mensing too but surely we can still sign him in January?
It's going to be a long haul back and unlikely but you never know nobody's really had a long run o0f wins, say 10. I wonder. I was stunned when I looked at the sreen and seen two Saints scores on 90 minutes - YEAH! If we'd only been 2-1 down when we got them. 1 point gained under the circumstances.

[templeofsaints]

Crap performance but a nice finish to shove it right up Tufty.

Don't think anyone had pass marks in the side. We persisted with the route one stuff and too many high balls which didn't work. There was no pace in the middle of the park, Sheerin and Jacko were poor and Hardie was well off the pace. Peaso was pretty rank up front and that's probably Ando's worst game for a while. Even Irvine couldn't stay upright on a wet pitch.

But for all that the lads deserve some praise for finishing the game relatively strongly.

I agree with Ghost, we need to start the likes of Weatherston (I'd play him instead of Jacko), Moon (instead of Hardie) and Savo up front with Peaso. But the training and tactics has to cover varying the game plan when necessary - too many times this season we've not been able to (or else the players refuse to) change things round when it's plain to everyone that a particular style isn't working.

[101 Saint]

Before I put McInnes to the sword, I must admit to a complete dickhead and missing the entire first half due to getting completely lost....


Sandy Stewart, bravely showed us that 4-3-3 doesn't work with Jacko, Doc and Peaso so why repeat the error?

When Jacko got subbed, was Irvine supposed to be full back and winger? Every time Savo made a break onto the wing the ball went in-field!? Again, no McCluskey in the squad - absolute disgrace when such as Peaso are getting a start. Irvine is off-form and appears low on confidence so surely Weatherston should be in-front of him to help him?!

Anyone at the game today that wants to slag Rocco has rocks for brains; he was determined, talented, enthusiastic and showed glimpses of having the mental attitude and capactity to captain a team in future years. The weather and pitch were both appalling and yet he played his socks off for the badge. This is a guy who will almost certainly be taking a wage decrease to play for us - as opposed to lingering as a Celtic spectator earning a comfortable living sitiing in the stands. Credit where its due.

ps I promised to support McInnes the manager so a word of praise for dropping Wullie and thanks for having Mooner in the squad. Lets see what he can do with the pressure off and a week of "normal" training with his right-hand man....

[Broon]

Funny game today. 4-3-3 didn't work (was really a 4-5-1 with Peaso and Jackson on the wings). If you pump the ball up to Deuchar then he has nobody to head it down to - silly tactics and wasted Jacko. Sheerin was very poor as was Hardie. We never seemed to adapt to the weather and Thistle deservedly went 2-0 up. Main was shocking AGAIN - his positioning is absolutely horrendous and anyone who complains about Cuthbert being chipped should pay close attention to main - absolutely incompetent. The fightback was good, and glossed over what was a pretty inept performance.

[SaintSam1884]

4-3-3 is a rubbish formation. Might work on a nice sunny day at McDiarmid Park, but not in those conditions. We also missed McManus and McInnes big time yesterday, midfield was non existent without McInnes' bite. He'll have to keep playing until he can find a suitable replacement for himself. He also needs to tell Hardie he's not a left sided player. He's wasted out there.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

4-3-3 is a rubbish formation. Might work on a nice sunny day at McDiarmid Park, but not in those conditions. We also missed McManus and McInnes big time yesterday, midfield was non existent without McInnes' bite. He'll have to keep playing until he can find a suitable replacement for himself. He also needs to tell Hardie he's not a left sided player. He's wasted out there.

We have a ready made replacement for him.................KEVIN MOON!!!!

Get him on next week. He's ready willing and above all, able.

[mainstand]

4-3-3 is a rubbish formation. Might work on a nice sunny day at McDiarmid Park, but not in those conditions. We also missed McManus and McInnes big time yesterday, midfield was non existent without McInnes' bite. He'll have to keep playing until he can find a suitable replacement for himself. He also needs to tell Hardie he's not a left sided player. He's wasted out there.

It's not the formation that wins games it's how the players play it.
As Gordon strachan said a few weeks ago, a formation means nothing unless you know how the players are being asked to play. You could set them out as a 4-3-3 but have them playing 4-3-1-2 or a 4-5-1 or a 4-1-3-2.

Why should he tell Hardie does hardie pick the team :)

[Radford 72]

I'd be happy to see Mooner get a start next week. Yesterday wasn't the right occasion to throw him in but we need either McInnes or Moon on the park next week and we need to play 4-4-2, with hopefully McManus available again.

I don't know enough about Morton but putting Hardie up front has to be considered as an option as well IMO.

[Chuck Norris]

Why should he tell Hardie does hardie pick the team :)
At the start of this season, I don't think that was too far from the truth.

And don't get too upset at Mensing not coming to us, he mucked Saints around for the January window, just like he did in the summer. Money talked in the end, which is fair enough.

[7-2]

4-5-1 to 4-3-3 is the way the game is being played these days as one look at Premiership line ups will show you.

[mainstand]

4-5-1 to 4-3-3 is the way the game is being played these days as one look at Premiership line ups will show you.

Totally agree, For those that are saying a 4-4-2 is the way forward all you need is for the wide midfielder to push on and you have a 4-3-3 or the striker drops back into the middle to help and you get a 4-5-1. why are folk so worried about formations, its the personnel not the shape that counts.

[Radford 72]

You could set them out as a 4-3-3 but have them playing 4-3-1-2 or a 4-5-1 or a 4-1-3-2.
Or as we were in the first half yesterday, 4-1-1-1-1-1-1.

The players shouldn't be being asked to play an alien formation. It worked for 30 minutes last week until Dunfermline changed to a 3-5-2. Yesterday we knew Thistle would play 3-5-2, yet stuck with it and played two strikers in the wide areas with an honest but not particularly mobile guy up top on his own and a midfield three where it took them until well into the second half to find the right areas. Thistle defended really well but time-and-time again our two centre backs were left exposed against their attacking players.

The above isn't a criticism of the players and after one week, it's not a major problem that the manager got it wrong but Coyle was accused of not learning from his mistakes so DMc has to make sure he doesn't make the same error again next week.

[Steve Maskrey]

How bad was the stadium announcer? She could hardly pronounce any of the Saints players names and barely knew who Partick's subs were let alone the away team's! She just stood and laughed all the way through each announcement! Makes Kevin look good! :wink:

[Radford 72]

why are folk so worried about formations, its the personnel not the shape that counts.
So you don't accept you get more out of the players by lining them up in a manner that suits them? Nobody can claim that formation suited the eleven players we had on the park yesterday. Peaso has no pace and was wide left and Deuchar has no pace so we can't play anything in behind them (like they did to us).

Line the players up in a system they know and a system that suits them and you'll get more out of them.

[Hazel1884]

How bad was the stadium announcer? She could hardly pronounce any of the Saints players names and barely knew who Partick's subs were let alone the away team's! She just stood and laughed all the way through each announcement! Makes Kevin look good! :wink:

It was entertainment anyway!!

Poor game in horrendous conditions - not much to actually comment on except the fact that we should be worried it was two free headers at the back post for both their goals. Feel like we missed McManus badly yesterday - Anderson and Rutkiewicz just didn't look comfortable, but then i guess they aren't used to playing together.

Glad to get the point, though we didn't deserve it.

[mainstand]

The above isn't a criticism of the players and after one week, it's not a major problem that the manager got it wrong but Coyle was accused of not learning from his mistakes so DMc has to make sure he doesn't make the same error again next week.

Radford don't take this the wrong way but how arrogant is that statement!

In your eyes he made a mistake. It is your opinion as to whether he got it wrong there is no right or wrong answer. There is only one mans opinion that counts and that is the manager.

Someone said it looked more like a 4-5-1, many managers will tell you taht this is teh best way to play against a team playing 3 at the back, the forwards can beak form midfield and you find that the defenders can get mixed up as to who is picking them up play a 2 against 3 defenders and they know who there man is.

[Radford 72]

Radford don't take this the wrong way but how arrogant is that statement!

In your eyes he made a mistake. It is your opinion as to whether he got it wrong there is no right or wrong answer. There is only one mans opinion that counts and that is the manager.

Someone said it looked more like a 4-5-1, many managers will tell you taht this is teh best way to play against a team playing 3 at the back, the forwards can beak form midfield and you find that the defenders can get mixed up as to who is picking them up play a 2 against 3 defenders and they know who there man is.
Of course it's my opinion but putting "IMO" at the end of every sentence isn't practical.

Surely if you play 4-5-1, you need to have guys in the wide areas who can get forward and support. Playing guys who aren't used to that position and one of whom isn't blessed with great pace doesn't look like the best decision in the world, does it? It probably looked like 4-5-1 because, like I said, only the back four looked comfortable until the second half, when the manager had obviously had a word with them at half-time.

When the players don't look comfortable and we struggle to make any impact against a side below us in the league, something is wrong... IMO.

[bigal]

I hope we sign Deuchar, but Quinn can go back to Celtic. He drifts out of games far too easily and hasn't actually done much since he's been at the club.

Quite the opposite, Quinn and Stanic were the only ones looking interested yesterday apart from the last 5 minutes. A few times Deuchar could have gone for a ball and at least put defender under pressure but if it wasn't to his feet or head wasn't interested. Plus if you look at his time here then he's ok in the box with the ball delivered to him but the number of times he gives the ball away outside the box is amazing.

But is his goal-scoring potential good enough to put up with the negatives? (that's a serious question - maybe aye maybe naw).

[bigal]

4-3-3 is a rubbish formation. Might work on a nice sunny day at McDiarmid Park, but not in those conditions. We also missed McManus and McInnes big time yesterday, midfield was non existent without McInnes' bite. He'll have to keep playing until he can find a suitable replacement for himself. He also needs to tell Hardie he's not a left sided player. He's wasted out there.

We didn't miss McInnes' bite we missed having players playing in positions they are meant for. Tell Hardie he's not a left-sided player? Who put him out there and Sheering in the middle. As for playing himself - NO. He needs to work on reading the game. It was clear after the first half that Peaso wasn't working on the left after his couple of early chances (at least Jackson was getting crosses in even if they were too deep) but he was still there past the hour mark. Someone earlier said something about remember the subs Del. That was my main disappointment of the day - we were far too late in changing things. Even if you disagree with my Peaso point what we were doing was patently not working and had to be changed. Savo was late and on his own, not a big enough change but the last 2 coming on with just over 5 minutes left was disgraceful. We saw in the end what happened when we pressured that keeper, we should have had changes made when we were just 1 down and put the pressure on for the last half hour at least and then we might have had a chance of winning.

[HertsSaintee]

Judging by the state of the surface at pitch level when we were leaving the ground, I'm amazed there was any decent football played at all - it was totally shocking. The goal in front of us was like a tattie field. Thistle seemed to adapt better to the heavy conditions through, while yet again too many of our players were simply not playing well enough. Mucho frustrato, as we know and they know they can do it.

Savo and Davie gave us an energy we badly need in the side when they came on, and for me, both have to start next game, with us reverting to a 4-4-2 with Savo and Peaso up front. Jackson is shrugged off the ball too often for my liking, therefore is not part of our strongest 11. A spell on the bench to take the pressure of expectation off him would not be a bad thing either.

Agree with the posters who say that too many players were out of position, and that was definitely the problem for some. Peaso out wide was a joke - asking him to pick up a pass and try to beat a man to send a cross in is completely ludicrous. The 4-3-3 doesn't really work for us, but with Hardie and Rocco playing in the centre, Hardie can push up to support the strikers if he wants to vary it a bit.

Herts

[st Tommy]

How bad was the stadium announcer?:


Paul Steerin :):):)

She didnt even know where to start with Ruti!!

[pavel]

Partick were hungrier than us, plain and simple. I agree Rocco looked interested but not Stanic or anyone else for that matter. They weren't going in for 50/50s, probably due to there pitch being a disgrace. What was Peaso meant to be doing? I doubt I have seen a player be so far out of a game.

[ancientsaint]

Hey lets put it down to the "challenge cup hangover"......Yeah the pitch was really bad....Saints were all bad.....the goals arrived late ...and one point is better than none....Think we all knew that D.McInnes was on a hiding to nothing.....he had to pick and watch the side he though would do the business....had we all lost the game then im sure we would have all argued that McInnes has to sort things out...had he won the game then he may have settled with the side he put out...I m not a fan of his..but i will give him time to sort the squad out...we have been through worse than this and we will get better...whether we win the league is debatable...BUT lets wait and see how it pans out ...Nice to be able to get a few pints tho at the stadium.

Wasnt TUFFY sick at the end !!!!

[Simon Quinlank]

That would be fine, but the "Challenge Cup hangover" started when there was still an hour left of the Challenge Cup final!

Is it just me, or do new Saints managers never seem to get the traditional Honeymoon period of deceptively good results for a few weeks? What I need to confirm this right now is Radford with a few well-chosen stats!:D

Who is "TUFFY"??:confused:

[Scobby_SJFC]

That would be fine, but the "Challenge Cup hangover" started when there was still an hour left of the Challenge Cup final!

Is it just me, or do new Saints managers never seem to get the traditional Honeymoon period of deceptively good results for a few weeks? What I need to confirm this right now is Radford with a few well-chosen stats!:D

Who is "TUFFY"??:confused:

He is a goalkeeper for PT

[Radford 72]

What I need to confirm this right now is Radford with a few well-chosen stats.
Like Marti McFly, I will go back in time...

McInnes

Partick 2-2 St Johnstone

?? game to first win
6 game record pre McInnes: WDLDWW
6 game record post McInnes: D?????

Coyle

St Johnstone 1-2 Airdrie United
Queen of the South 2-0 St Johnstone
St Johnstone 0-0 St Mirren

4 games to first win (St Johnstone 2-0 Alloa Athletic)
6 game record pre Coyle: LDLWLD
6 game record post Coyle: LLDWWW

Connolly

St Johnstone 1-3 St Mirren
ICT 3-1 St Johnstone

3 games to first win (St Johnstone 2-0 Hamilton Academical)
6 game record pre Connolly: DDDWWL
6 game record post Connolly: LLWLLL

Stark

Dundee United 3-2 St Johnstone (AET)
Hearts 3-0 St Johnstone
St Johnstone 0-2 Rangers

6 games to first win (Kilmarnock 0-1 St Johnstone)
6 game record pre Stark: LDDDLL
6 game record post Stark: LLLLLW

Clark

St Johnstone 4-0 Hibernian
St Johnstone 1-1 Dunfermline Athletic
St Johnstone 2-0 Aberdeen

1 game to first win
6 game record pre Clark: LWWDWL
6 game record post Clark: WDWWLD

Sturrock

Dundee 0-1 St Johnstone
St Johnstone 0-1 Kilmarnock
Hibernian 0-0 St Johnstone

1 game to first win
6 game record pre Sturrock: LLDLDL
6 game record post Sturrock: WLDLWL

McClelland

Rangers 2-0 St Johnstone
St Johnstone 1-0 Airdrieonians
Dundee United 1-2 St Johnstone

2 games to first win
6 game record pre McClelland: DLDDWW
6 game record post McClelland: LWWWLW

Totten

St Johnstone 1-1 Raith Rovers

3 games to first win (St Johnstone 4-1 Alloa Athletic)
6 game record pre Totten: LLLDLW
6 game record post Totten: DDWWWD

Coyle, Connolly and Totten were all appointed towards the end of a season, so their stats can be misleading.

[Simon Quinlank]

Thanks for that Radford, knew I could count on you to come up with the goodies! So Clark was effectively the last manager to get a "Honeymoon period". That game against Hibs was a scorcher as well. Oh, for a return to those days.

[pavel]

Thats makes McClelland look like a good manager :)

Stark had a shocker from day one.

[Al C]

http://ptfc.co.uk/pressbox/video_highlights.asp

Highlights at link above.

[Jamie_Beatson]

Plastic Whistle fans were saying the video showed there was no contact for the pen - looked pretty blatant to me there!

[ancientsaint]

http://ptfc.co.uk/pressbox/video_highlights.asp

Highlights at link above.


Having listened to the wee "whining giggly lassie" that announced the teams- im starting to wonder if it was this guy with tight "drawers"

[Calypso Kid]

That tadger of a commentator cracks me up.

[blueheaven]

That tadger of a commentator cracks me up.

Did I mis-hear things, or does he at one point say "It's Thistle 2 St Johnstone 0, at the stadium of dreams"? I can only imagine he must have the world's most awful dreams.

[Calypso Kid]

You heard correctly. He also squeezed in "The mighty Thistle".

Good value though you must admit. Beats Motson hands down.

[monkfish]

Was there not something on here a while back with that guy going really mental? It was some club highlights commentator I think

[garydavidson]

Was there not something on here a while back with that guy going really mental? It was some club highlights commentator I think


you are probably thinking of any match peter martin commentates on for clyde 1 and all those kind of radio stations.

[Radford 72]

Campbell Hughes is the name of the commmentator and he's fantastic! Who can forget, after Jason slotting home the fifth last season, him declaring "Partick Thistle 5 St Johnstone 1!"

[monkfish]

http://ptfc.co.uk/backroom/index.asp?id=24

:D