Clyde vs. Saints 29/12/07

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Happy holidays. There coming thick and fast which is good because we need to get yesterdays pish out of our systems quickly. So after insisting that we start with the same line up at Stirling, getting my wish and being profoundly disappointed; What to do now??????? Can we hope that they all just had a bad game and will be better on Saturday ..or make some changes. It,s difficult to see how Del can do much to change the personel given what we've got but the defence needs a shake up of some kind. They got lucky at Albion and against a better team would have lost goals I,m sure.Clyde will play there usual defensive game, waste time and generally try to frustrate us , as they have sucessfully done twice all ready this season.We need to use some guile and craft to beat them.I don,t know how many times it,s been said by everyone but I,ll say it again we MUST KEEP THE BALL ON THE GROUND , only using the big howf when it is absolutley necesarry.I'll leave it to you guys to come up with the required team changes although I can see Del going with the same eleven again. If they get the system right and play pass and move they WILL beat anyone in this league but can they do it...???

As Llyod Grossman would say" It's over to you"

WALKING DOWN THE DUNKELD ROAD TO SEE THE MUIRTON ACES

[Nairn Saint]

Need to get wired into them to keep ourselves out of the RELEGATION battle!

Come on ye Saints!

[Ronaldo]

For the last couple of years we've found this fixture tough, there's only been a goal either way at most and they're a kind of bogie team to us.

It would be great to win it comfortably for a change ......... and then a 7-2 win in the New Year! :)

[templeofsaints]

We'll lose 1-0, Imrie or some other ned getting the goal in the 78th minute. We'll also have someone red-carded for a petulant foul and our strikers will miss two golden chances while the game is at 0-0.

Oh aye and it'll be cold and wet :(

[pavel]

..We'll also have someone red-carded for a petulant foul...:(


Even though it was a dive :) This is the Clyde way.

[Scobby_SJFC]

I canot wait for this game ... NOT!!!!

The coldest, most boring and unatmospheric stadium in the world, 3 points is a must and must hope Dundee and Hamilton start to collapse.
Think i'll go as its only 20 mins away from me, anyone else going to bother going??

[StDuncM]

15 points was just enough for Gre£na. 13 points now and it is ours for the taking. We will win the title but need more bite and backbone to succede in the SPL next term.

Come on ye Saints with a 4-0 win against the wee bully.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I canot wait for this game ... NOT!!!!

The coldest, most boring and unatmospheric stadium in the world, 3 points is a must and must hope Dundee and Hamilton start to collapse.
Think i'll go as its only 20 mins away from me, anyone else going to bother going??

Holiday time . No excuse for anyone who is a supporter not to go.I would say they need our support more than ever on Saturday.Close to Perth as well so get your arses down there and lets make our own atmosphere..See you all there....... There's not a team like the Perth St.Johnstone.Hail Hail the Saints are here..............

[john1962]

Holiday time . No excuse for anyone who is a supporter not to go.I would say they need our support more than ever on Saturday.Close to Perth as well so get your arses down there and lets make our own atmosphere..See you all there.......[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Blue"]There's not a team like the Perth St.Johnstone.Hail Hail the Saints are hear..............

I can think of an excuse for some people. Money or lack of it. I will be there though.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

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[StDuncM]

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You been on the cooking sherry, Chef?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

You been on the cooking sherry, Chef?

I wish!!!! After seeing slf at the game yesterday I,m never drinking again.:***:

[Scobby_SJFC]

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[The ghost of Jim Morton]

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Phobe,Phobe,Phobe:***:

[Stamford Saintee]

You have a good Christmas Ghostie?

Get to lots of "haunts?" :D

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

You have a good Christmas Ghostie?

Get to lots of "haunts?" :D

Greyfriars Friday night was a bit of a blur.I think I was pretty close to being areal ghost.Worst hangover for years.To many Spirits:mrgreen:

[ancientsaint]

All this doom and gloom....thank f**k i managed to get a tow rope at B and Q long before xmas as it seems so many "depressed" people are on here just now.....hope my journey to the Clyde game isnt littered with you guys dangling from lamp-posts and bridges....ho ho bloody ho.....We shall overcome.

[Stamford Saintee]

Greyfriars Friday night was a bit of a blur.I think I was pretty close to being areal ghost.Worst hangover for years.To many Spirits:mrgreen:


Friday night is fight nite in Greyfriers......well it was last Friday

you were 10 mins late...good punch up too :mrgreen:

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Friday night is fight nite in Greyfriers......well it was last Friday

you were 10 mins late...good punch up too :mrgreen:

Bobby the guy that got hit is in hospital with a fractured skull and a broken jaw and is very poorly.Police were in yesterday looking for witnesses. Glad I missed it

[Stamford Saintee]

Bobby the guy that got hit is in hospital with a fractured skull and a broken jaw and is very poorly.Police were in yesterday looking for witnesses. Glad I missed it

not so good :sad:

Didn't realise he got hit so hard....four of them at it as I remember.

[ancientsaint]

Ian Brines will referee the Clyde v Saints clash.

[Dunfermline Saint]

Score draw anyone??

[MUZZ]

this game wont be a draw

[St Mikey]

Clyde 2-1 Saints.

Be a boring game and will be cold, wet and windy at Scotlands poorest stadium. Even pigeons dinnae want to go there!

Lets remember they have 4 points against us this season, coz we are sacred to shoot! Mon Saints, try a little harder. Daal to start!

[Radford 72]

If we play like we did on Tuesday, only another display of inept finishing will save us. The defence was opened up too easily towards the end of the game as we pushed forward looking for a win. McInnes has said all the right things and been very un-Coyle like in the aftermath, almost verging on being critical of the players. He's said how Clyde will be even more high-energy than Albion and we need to be prepared to match that before we can play like we did against Livingston.

We never play well at Broadwood - or in fact against Clyde - and far too often lose our discipline so it's impossible to go into the game with much confidence, especially after our strikers mis-fired during the week and we are now facing a more solid backline. The one saving grace could be that Clyde find goals hard to come by but whilst I thought the midweek game would be high-scoring (albeit I was wrong), this one has low-scoring written all over it.

The manager has hinted at making changes - and one might be enforced if Quinn fails to recover from his ankle knock - but I don't think he'll vary too much from the weekend, although may change the shape of the side to include Rutkiewicz again.

Last season, although the away record was poor, the performances weren't disappointing but this time round we aren't winning on the road and aren't playing well enough consistently either. Wednesday was a great chance to try and kick-start that away momentum but I can't see it happening on Saturday. It would be nice for once though if post-match at Broadwood, the main talking point wasn't the referee.

[Dennistoun Saint]

Only a short trip so no excuses for me.
Can't say I'm full of optimism or excitment but these are the ones we have to grind out and where the players really need our full support. A bit of singinng and cheering will help slow the onset of frostbite at bleak Broadwood.
Got to match their desire and aggression with a real will to win.

[Dave H]

I hope for more long balls but with Daal upfront.

3-3 draw - its going to be a cracker of a game. .

[Radford 72]

A late Xmas present with the news that Dougie Imrie and Steven Masterton will miss the game for Clyde. Two players who have always caused us problems in the past.

[monkfish]

2 down 9 to go. Apart from Hutton who can wrap up another present if he wants :-)

[templeofsaints]

A late Xmas present with the news that Dougie Imrie and Steven Masterton will miss the game for Clyde. Two players who have always caused us problems in the past.


Obviously Clyde aren't expecting a big Saints support - only the main stand open and only one set of adult turnstiles for each set of fans.

So that'll be the crap view and the "charming" locals to put up with as well. I can hardly wait :x :)

[jazzer]

I'd like to see Daal get a start today to see what he has to offer. I think we were all initially disappointed that he was not going to be the big target man we all hoped for, hopefully his other attributes can convince us he is worthwhile.
Tough one to decide who should be left out though. Perhaps Jacko is the one who would do most damage coming off the bench.

[Indicator]

Clyde usually suss us out early on in the match and then employ tactics accordingly. Don't see it being any different today. We'll resort to the long punts. Nobody on our side will manage to score. Can't see us deviating from the usual script as per the first two games against these. Hamilton and Dundee will recover from their 'blips' and we will fall further behind. But... on the bright side, it'll soon be the New Year. :rolleyes:

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Clyde will try to stifle us,
we'll take it on the chin,The Saints will play good football,
and hopefully we'll win

The fans they will be happy,I think you'll all agree,
cos then we play the great unwashed, and the will saints trounce Dundee

We'll sing our favourite songs out loud, we'll drink some wine and beer,
the Saints will then have 6 more points,
A great start to our new year.........



Come on you Saintees, come on you Saints...................

[SJC]

We have to make sure we take 3 points from this game- Dunfermline and QOS should win their home games this week, if they do and we lose then we're 2 points from the playoffs.

This is a disgraceful situation, we will need a huge clearout in January.

Put Daal up front and boot the ball up the pitch for 30 minutes, if that's not working then try something different- Weatherston up front.

Forget playing with Milne up on his own, get Daal on form the start.

Worth a try at least.

[MUZZ]

peaso will score

[Andy]

Saints line up from sky sports:

Main
Irvine
McManus
Rutkiewicz
Lawrie
Moon
McDonald
Craig
Stanic
Daal
Jackson

Subs:

Weatherston
Milne
Sheerin
Anderson
Cuthbert

[saint_markperth]

Looks like team is
main
stanic
laurie
mcmanus
ruti
irvine
moon
craig
daal
peaso
jackson

subs
cat
sheerin
ando
savo

[Broggy Man]

Oh lord he didnt kid when he said changes were needed

[jazzer]

At least he has the guts to make changes. I'm not complaining.............................yet.

[saint_markperth]

we have tommy and peter lovenkrands in attendance aswell

[Chuck Norris]

That's a very brave (not to say 'maverick') selection Del's putting out today. Hope it comes off for him...

[jazzer]

I think he could have swapped Ruti for McManus or Ando on recent form. I've never really seen Moon, so it will be interesting to see how he performs.

[jazzer]

1-0 Aw Naw

[Chuck Norris]

Main lobbed from 30 yards, apparently...

[jazzer]

Morton equalised against Accies.

[Moray Blue]

1-1 Jacko

[jazzer]

Jacko 1-1

[Chuck Norris]

1-1 - Jackson, 11th of the season already

[garydavidson]

Main lobbed from 30 yards, apparently...

your are lying, the man never gets lobbed...how many times this season is that then?

[Moray Blue]

2-1 Peaso pen

[jazzer]

2-1 Peaso

[jazzer]

I'll have to sharpen up the typing Moray.

[garydavidson]

sheerin must have been itching to take that one from the bench :)

[jazzer]

Lets have some positive posting before the balloon bursts :)

[jazzer]

2-1 Accies

[Rodgers]

no rocco quinn?

[Chuck Norris]

Quinn was injured in the Stirling game. Wasn't expected to make it today.

[jazzer]

no rocco quinn?
I said positive posting.

[StDuncM]

I said positive posting.

No Del boy then!!!!!!

[Rodgers]

I said positive posting.


Daal is good enough for the spl

[jazzer]

Main hasn't been lobbed for 30 minutes.

[jazzer]

My Sky score board has gone down. Anyone else having probs?

[saint in exile]

C`moan Saints lets hammer Clyde,Goooooooooo

[jazzer]

3-1 Accies. Booooooooooooooooooooooo

[garydavidson]

My Sky score board has gone down. Anyone else having probs?

its been slow and bad for me for a few weeks now, just been using the bbc website it doesnt have the live leagues though which is a great feature of sky.

[Broggy Man]

anyone any idea how they are playing

[saint_markperth]

peaso missed the pen but scored the rebound daal is shocking

[Steve Maskrey]

The clowns on Radio Scotland announced that Mensing had scored for Saints before Richard Gordon corrected it :roll:

[saint in exile]

As in shockingly good

[Broggy Man]

Now im confused are we playing shit or good

[Yogi Bear]

Any news on how young Moon is playing? Seems an exciting prospect for the club?

[Chuck Norris]

Now im confused are we playing shit or good
Heard we're playing OK - not brilliant but doing enough. I suspect a lot of these changes are designed with the January shop window in mind...

[Yogi Bear]

Any news of the Dundee scoreline?

[Two Js]

Dundee still 0-0.

Wilson has been sent off at Clyde

[MUZZ]

peaso will score

i see the future

[Yogi Bear]

So if results stay the same how much we chasin Dundee and Hamilton?

[jazzer]

Savo & Peanut on for Daal & Jacko

[poang]

Last min goal for dundee!

[Moray Blue]

Last minute winner for Dundee :(

[Euanwilkie]

dundee with a last minute winner

[Chuck Norris]

Is that a last minute winner for Dundee? Just making sure...

[pezza70]

they must of scored with the last kick of the match the scum?

[MUZZ]

its never over til the fat bitch sings

[Moray Blue]

3-1 Mooner

[jazzer]

Mooner 3-1

[Yogi Bear]

Kevin Mooooooon!!!!

[pezza70]

Sky sprts are saying it is now 3-1 to us

get in there

[jazzer]

Drat Moray....you type like a wummin.

[garydavidson]

bbc are still not sure :) why we always the last up on that program? he game still playing?

[Lincolnshire no More]

This what we have to do; win our games and hope!!! Perhaps then they'll crack!

[pezza70]

3-1 FT :)

Is that Moon's first snr goal for us?

[jazzer]

The fat lady sings at last.

[Saintly Child]

Good result at a difficult ground. Shame the scum won, but hey ho.

[MUZZ]

good win that

[pezza70]

Good result at a difficult ground. Shame the scum won, but hey ho.

another 3 points between us and second last place is something though, is the glass half full or half empty though?

[StDuncM]

The fat lady sings at last.

Defeatist. I hear no singing!

[garydavidson]

8 points off livi and clyde now but clyde have a game over us.

[StDuncM]

8 points off livi and clyde now but clyde have a game over us.

Clyde have a game over us? What does that mean when you look at the table. You have lost me there Gazza!

[jazzer]

Can't wait to hear about Daal's wonderful game and leaving the pitch to thunderous applause :wink:

[7-2]

Good win, especially coming from a goal down with a team showing lots of changes. Well done.

[7-2]

Can't wait to hear about Daal's wonderful game and leaving the pitch to thunderous applause :wink:
Thunderous noises tend to accompany a Daal leaving but applause isnt usually one of them.

[garydavidson]

Clyde have a game over us? What does that mean when you look at the table. You have lost me there Gazza!
sorry was trying to say they have a game in hand over us, do they not?

[Stamford Saintee]

Great win........

Bring on the Coags! :twisted:

[andrew]

Good win today, although we might have let Clyde back in at 2-1.
You could see we were the better team, especially when we kept it on the floor, and especially when Sheerin came on, but yet we still didn't win too convincingly. We could've destroyed them with a passing game.
Still too many long balls. McManus was a problem in the first half, Lawrie iffy in the second.
Moon, Peaso and Craig played well.

[monkey]

Just back from game. Good to see Jacko and Mooner doing well and scoring. Does that mean Del will give youth their chance. Next in Willie Dyer then Doris.Great work Del for taking gamble.

[SJC]

Easy win today.

We missed a few good chances along the course, Daal missed, then the ball fell to Peaso 8 yards out, somehow he put the ball wide.

Peaso then went on to miss a one-on-one after they were down to 10 men.

Clydes first was another bad mistake from Main, a cross to the back post went in without anyone touching it, if Main was more alert he would have collected it easily.

McManus was a bit shaky but overall we were much the better team.

Dyron Daal left the field to a standing ovation, cult hero.

[SJFC1988,]

How did Daal play???

[Steve Maskrey]

Just back from game. Good to see Jacko and Mooner doing well and scoring. Does that mean Del will give youth their chance. Next in Willie Dyer then Doris.Great work Del for taking gamble.

Del knows how good our younger boys are and I know he rates Doris, he's now signed on til the end of the season. I would imagine he'll maybe get his chance either when he returns from Montrose or certainly next season.

Brilliant result for Saints today given that we haven't had a good record there in the past

[saint_markperth]

How did Daal play???


Shite

[MUZZ]

.

Dyron Daal left the field to a standing ovation, cult hero.

good to hear.

[williamwonka]

second half was a pretty crap with peaso missing a few chances but did well to hang. great goal from moon! not only the goal but the tackle! thing refing was good there as i have seen many of those tackles given as fouls.

What was the story with the clyde keeper not wanting to shake hands with craig? nob :)

[Jamie_Beatson]

Daal was in my opinion awful. Ran about a lot but mainly like a headless chicken and I was seriously concerned that he was going to get himself sent off. His first touch was alright but he kept giving the ball away.

[SJFC1988,]

Shite

Cheers:o

[SJC]

He set up the first goal today, put his whole heart into running around.

He must be able to do the 100 metres in about 6 seconds when theres a keeper with a ball at his feet in front of him.

Well done Dyron.

[101 Saint]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SJFC1988,
How did Daal play???


Shite

Nah, sorry but I can't agree with that. Someone on the Stirling thread described him as a rough diamond and that was a perfect description for him today. Cleared so many aerial balls today, awesome work rate and absolutely determined to be on the winning side.

As for the game, I don't agree it was easy. I was pretty uncomfy at 2-1 even against 10 men. Still, a very good three points at a tricky venue against a tricky team.

On McInnes; hats off for bold changes. He struck a critical chord in the press without being "j'accuse", but if we had any doubts over what he thought about the performance on Boxing day, the team lines gave us the answer we hoped for. Having said that, for Ando to be dropped and Chalky to retain his place was a really disgusting decision. I can cope with Savo being dropped because he would always struggle against Clyde (I'm sure it was tactical, not a performance issue) but McManus staying in and Ando getting dropped was a big mistake. McManus is not consistently good enough to start games for this club.

I also think that Mooner (despite a brilliant goal) should have played with Sheerin not Irvine. For reasons stated in the Stirling thread, by myself and others, Irvine shouldn't be played in centre-midfield. Having said that, I think he (Mooner) proved a point to any doubters (Mainstand?) and will go on from strength to strength.

Overall a great result which will give much-needed confidence going into the D*ndee game.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Easy win today, we should have won by 4 or 5, and as for Daal hes funny and does try his hardest I'll give him that but its just not working for him right now.

Got to hate going to Clyde, crap stadium crap fans

[SJC]

Shite


BOO!

[saint in exile]

Good result.Clyde`s so often been a bogey club for us in the past.Glad to see Del`s not afraid to change things about and especially glad to see he`s not afraid to bring in younger players such as Moon.

[SJC]

Glad to see Del

Easy pleased then aye?

I was happy to see him as well like.

[SaintSam1884]

McManus is not consistently good enough to start games for this club.

Yes he is.

[Scobby_SJFC]

One thing that did annoy me today was the constant use of the long ball tactics, we have the ability and players to wipe the floor with clyde football wise, and yet it was head tennis for long periods

[TheBigCheese]

Yes he is.

Only if he's one of only two fit central defenders. He's the fourth best at the club and far too often misses headers and tackles. He also nearly makes Andy Lawrie look quick. On the subject of whom, if he never pulls on a Saints shirt again it'll be three weeks too soon (much like most of his challenges).

Overall I thought we were well worth our win but it really should have been all over long before it was. I wish Saints would learn to hold on to the ball a bit more when they're under pressure instead of bttering it up to the front two the whole time.

Bring on the dirty dees.

[templeofsaints]

My reports up now - didn't think it was a comfortable win in the slightest. When Clyde went down to 10 men we seemed to play even worse.

Mooner was excellent and all three goals were well taken (even if Peaso took two attempts), but Main was again at fault for their goal. Defensively we held out but twice McManus was beaten for pace in the first half and I agree with those that reckon he should have been dropped and Ando kept his place. Irvine shouldn't play in midfield - if Lawrie was getting a chance he should have been on the right of midfield and Irvine kept in defence. Craig played well but again got a daft booking.

Jacko had a good game. Daal tried but lacks both confidence and IMHO match sharpness but he certainly showed the hunger that has been missing from some players. As for Peaso, he tried but got a daft booking for the challenge on Hutton and was then a total arse with a blatant dive that could easily have earned him another booking.

Still it's good to get the win and there was certainly a bit less of the kick'n'rush style of long ball we've had to put up with in recent weeks.

[7-2]

McManus is not consistently good enough to start games for this club.
You are one word away from being correct. Just remove consistently.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Well where to start today....Yipeeeeeeee 3 points Yipeeeeeeeee a midfield

Well done Derek Mcinnes for having the balls to change it a bit but I have to agree with most that Ando should have been on as opposed to Lawrie who did little today to win over his detractors.Up front we played well, created a fair few good chances( Peaso should have had a hatrick) and looked 100 times better than at Stirling. Midfield was very good and for a decent part of the game passed the ball although we still humped it to often.

The defence though, looked well shaky again and had Clyde taken a couple of their easier chances we might not be as happy as we are. McManus, as was previously stated , got done for pace at least twice but I thought he won a good deal of the high balls pumped into our half..Alan Main!!!!!!!!!I,m fed up saying it...............

All in all a good result at a ground where we usualy struggle and a boost before we face the evil gobblins from doon the river.

PS. I though Daal was very good, especially when helping out at the back at set pieces and his enthusiasim is infectious. He must calm down a bit though:D

[saint_markperth]

Main was shocking. Once again lobbed. Came out for a cross and just punched the ball one handed to the edge of the box, He also tried to do it again and missed it completly. He also tipped the ball over the bar when it was going over anyway. Waste of space now!

[Nairn Saint]

Cracking result and unexpected! I thought we would stuggle for a draw today.

[MUZZ]

mcmanus has been in good form of late. first defender on the team sheet.

[Saintkev]

Shite


You are talking it... he wasn't superb, but you can't describe Dall as that today!!:roll:

[Saintkev]

Main was shocking. Once again lobbed. Came out for a cross and just punched the ball one handed to the edge of the box, He also tried to do it again and missed it completly. He also tipped the ball over the bar when it was going over anyway. Waste of space now!


And again... the ball went behind him, not lobbed, for the goal... yeah his positioning may be dodgy, and he seemed to think it was going to be a cross, which again, was a mistake.

Punchingwise... I have heard a goalkeeping coach advocating one-handed punches in a lot of situations.

If you think the ball was going over, then you are a braver man than me... it looked to me that at best it would hit the bar. Thanks for saving it Main...

I'm not saying he is great and beyond critism, but it seems to be the Sainst fans way, of picking a player and not seeing anything good in what he does...

His kicking and judgement for crossses has always been ropey, but people are now just looking to moan, moan and moan again...

I would love a day to come when folk all went to games with a childish innocence, and just actually enjoyed the game for a change... especially since we WON!!!

[garydavidson]

but McManus staying in and Ando getting dropped was a big mistake. McManus is not consistently good enough to start games for this club.

Im not so sure ando set himself a high level of standard last season and the games I have seen him this season he does not seem to be reaching it. The defence is not giving me much confidence at the moment as I have seem them all play better than they currently are.



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[saint_markperth]

You are talking it... he wasn't superb, but you can't describe Dall as that today!!:roll:

kev name one thing productive that he done, he was close to being sent off, only won 2 headers allday, you were sitting infront off me so i know you seen the same game as me

[jazzer]

Many Saintees at the game?

[Ronaldo]

Punchingwise... I have heard a goalkeeping coach advocating one-handed punches in a lot of situations.

You're right, when there's any doubt about catching the ball punch it well clear.

[Broggy Man]

And again... the ball went behind him, not lobbed, for the goal... yeah his positioning may be dodgy, and he seemed to think it was going to be a cross, which again, was a mistake.

Punchingwise... I have heard a goalkeeping coach advocating one-handed punches in a lot of situations.

If you think the ball was going over, then you are a braver man than me... it looked to me that at best it would hit the bar. Thanks for saving it Main...

I'm not saying he is great and beyond critism, but it seems to be the Sainst fans way, of picking a player and not seeing anything good in what he does...

His kicking and judgement for crossses has always been ropey, but people are now just looking to moan, moan and moan again...

I would love a day to come when folk all went to games with a childish innocence, and just actually enjoyed the game for a change... especially since we WON!!!

here here

[101 Saint]

kev name one thing productive that he done, he was close to being sent off, only won 2 headers allday, you were sitting infront off me so i know you seen the same game as me

He won at least 4 defensive headers and unlike some of our defenders he cleared the ball to the side of the pitch, not into the D. You can argue he shouldn't have been there, but had Dr Dukes done the same he would have be lauded.

[blueheaven]

Still not great, but a big improvement on the Stirling Albion performance. Moon was terrific, and I thought Daal, who really seems to polarise opinion on here, put in a really good shift. He's never going to be a technically great footballer, but he offers something completely different to the rest of our strikers and his workrate is tremendous. He was unlucky not to score when the Clyde keeper saved his effort at point blank range, and Peaso should have done far better with the rebound. I'm not sure he'll start too many games, but coming off the bench he'll always be a real thorn in the side of defences at this level.

Did anyone else think Peaso looked like he went in a bit of a huff when Moon scored instead of passing it to him?

Craig has some good touches and looks in good shape, but needs to cut out the moaning. There's no excuse for that. I don't want us signing a player who's going to end up getting suspended all the time for not being able to keep his mouth shut.

Strange line-up from McInnes I thought. You don't drop your best midfielder to accomodate bringing Andy Lawrie into the team and playing your first choice right-back out of position. Sheerin showed his class when he came on and has to start against Dundee. Get Irvine back to right-back where he's comfortable and dump Lawrie.

Main was poor but nowhere near as bad as some are making out. He was unfortunate at their goal which was a complete fluke and could have happened to any keeper. He also made one very good save and a couple of decent other ones.

I still think the formation is awful and if we try to play that against a good team we could get destroyed.

[Ronaldo]

Strange line-up from McInnes I thought.
Squad rotation, everybody's at it as I noticed with my Fantasy Football team lineup. I have to give McInnes his due he isn't frightened to make changes, take risks and even play young players and players out of their natural position for a game, not to mention target decent players for signing.

[saint_markperth]

You're right, when there's any doubt about catching the ball punch it well clear.

With 2 fists

[jazzer]

You can stretch further with one fist. Two aren't always the answer.

[Ronaldo]

With 2 fists
Yes Mark ideally a catch is the optimum, if not then a two fisted punch, but if there are a crowd of players in front of you, you must at least get a touch away to stop the natural direction of the ball and allow the defenders to regroup.

[7-2]

You can stretch further with one fist. Two aren't always the answer.
:shock:

[ancientsaint]

I think a lot of clubs and opposition players have cottoned on to the fact that Alan Main leaves at least 6 yards between himself and the goals...they know that if the "chip" the ball then there is a chance they will score...its been proved a lot so far this season...if thats the case and so many fans are witnessing it then surely Derek Mcinnes is witnessing it as well... a wee word and problem solved-"hopefully".

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

And again... the ball went behind him, not lobbed, for the goal... yeah his positioning may be dodgy, and he seemed to think it was going to be a cross, which again, was a mistake.

Punchingwise... I have heard a goalkeeping coach advocating one-handed punches in a lot of situations.

If you think the ball was going over, then you are a braver man than me... it looked to me that at best it would hit the bar. Thanks for saving it Main...

I'm not saying he is great and beyond critism, but it seems to be the Sainst fans way, of picking a player and not seeing anything good in what he does...

His kicking and judgement for crossses has always been ropey, but people are now just looking to moan, moan and moan again...

I would love a day to come when folk all went to games with a childish innocence, and just actually enjoyed the game for a change... especially since we WON!!!


Your missing the point!!!!!!!We're ALL glad we won but it was despite Main not because of him.You keep defending him which is admirable but if he keeps making "mistakes" then even you are going to have to face the cold hard truth that he should be replaced.

[blueheaven]

Your missing the point!!!!!!!We're ALL glad we won but it was despite Main not because of him.You keep defending him which is admirable but if he keeps making "mistakes" then even you are going to have to face the cold hard truth that he should be replaced.

So the fact that he also made a good save counts for nothing? Is it only the negative aspects that get recognition? Main wasn't great yesterday - and I too think he is punching the ball far too often nowadays (he didn't used to do that when he was here before) - but he was nowhere near as bad as seems to be getting suggested.

I don't think any keeper in the league would have saved Clyde's goal yesterday. It was a fluke. The player himself probably didn't even mean it. These things happen, it doesn't matter who's in goal.

[Saintkev]

Your missing the point!!!!!!!We're ALL glad we won but it was despite Main not because of him.You keep defending him which is admirable but if he keeps making "mistakes" then even you are going to have to face the cold hard truth that he should be replaced.

Never said he shouldn't be dropped I just think a lot of what folk are saying is jumping on the bandwagon... looking for faults... when Kev Cuthbert is playing, another load will be on saying he is crap etc... they are goalkeepers playing for St Johnstone in the first division of Scottish football... a mistake or weakness is only to be expected surely?!!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

So the fact that he also made a good save counts for nothing? Is it only the negative aspects that get recognition? Main wasn't great yesterday - and I too think he is punching the ball far too often nowadays (he didn't used to do that when he was here before) - but he was nowhere near as bad as seems to be getting suggested.

I don't think any keeper in the league would have saved Clyde's goal yesterday. It was a fluke. The player himself probably didn't even mean it. These things happen, it doesn't matter who's in goal.

I think he made a couple of GOOD save yesterday as it happens but thats what goalies are meant to do is it?? My point is that in the last 5 or 6 games his decision making and positioning have been very poor and have cost us goals which, were he to be a BETTER keeper would not have been scored.
If we were a better team these lapses would mean a lot less but we're not so we need to improve, not just the keeper but keeper all the same.
When an unsavable shot goes in then fair enough, it happens week in week out and thats the nature of football but come on, you,ve been there ,you,ve seen it yourself, the saveable goals we've lost . There,s been a fair few and I honestly believe there will be more to come. Alan Main IS a legend, always will be but he's not the future , he's the past.I am not having a go just for the sake of it , I've been singing this tune all season.The truth is right in front of you, you've just got to open your eyes and think with your head not your heart................

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Never said he shouldn't be dropped I just think a lot of what folk are saying is jumping on the bandwagon... looking for faults... when Kev Cuthbert is playing, another load will be on saying he is crap etc... they are goalkeepers playing for St Johnstone in the first division of Scottish football... a mistake or weakness is only to be expected surely?!!

Your dead right , but the team that make the least mistakes will win the league. Every player has the potential to play badly. You just don,t want it week in week out.

[blueheaven]

I think he made a couple of GOOD save yesterday as it happens but thats what goalies are meant to do is it?? My point is that in the last 5 or 6 games his decision making and positioning have been very poor and have cost us goals which, were he to be a BETTER keeper would not have been scored.
If we were a better team these lapses would mean a lot less but we're not so we need to improve, not just the keeper but keeper all the same.

I agree with all of that, and I believe every position in the team is open to strengthening if we can get players who are better. But I think McInnes will have a tough time attracting a better goalkeeper at the moment. Practically ever since Main left the first time around we've been trying to replace him without success - now it seems even he himself can't replace the original Main! We've had a couple of good ones in McGregor and Glennon, but couldn't keep them. I struggle to think of who we could go for now.

If we can get a better keeper than Main then we should go for it, but we're not going to be able to get anyone who doesn't make mistakes. And I don't see any point in dropping him for Cuthbert just for the sake of it - if Main's going to be dropped, it has to be for someone who is actually better.

[mainstand]

kev name one thing productive that he done, he was close to being sent off, only won 2 headers allday, you were sitting infront off me so i know you seen the same game as me

Put in the cross for the first goal. In addition to which he made a lot of good runs and pressurised their defence.

as for their first goal i thought main was positioned right and would have been in 99% of the crosses that would come in, but the goal was a complete and utter fluke and ended up going in the top corner, which very few keepers could have stopped.

[saint_markperth]

Put in the cross for the first goal. In addition to which he made a lot of good runs and pressurised their defence.


he put the ball in for the defender to clear it of his own player and jacko to scramble to ball home

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I agree with all of that, and I believe every position in the team is open to strengthening if we can get players who are better. But I think McInnes will have a tough time attracting a better goalkeeper at the moment. Practically ever since Main left the first time around we've been trying to replace him without success - now it seems even he himself can't replace the original Main! We've had a couple of good ones in McGregor and Glennon, but couldn't keep them. I struggle to think of who we could go for now.

If we can get a better keeper than Main then we should go for it, but we're not going to be able to get anyone who doesn't make mistakes. And I don't see any point in dropping him for Cuthbert just for the sake of it - if Main's going to be dropped, it has to be for someone who is actually better.

Right again, all keepers make mistakes. It's the regularity of the mistakes and how costly they are to the team that is the important thing. As for Cuthbert if he got a game ( which I,m not saying he necessarily should) it would be as a result of Mains form, not just for the sake of it.Thats how it,s meant to work is it not. You play below your normal standard and then you get dropped and someone else takes over. If they play well they retain tha place if not and you are looking good in training and playing well in the reserves you win your place back. If thats not the case then the manager brings in new faces.Also I,m sure there are afew good young keepers out there who could do a better job than both the Cat and Main. The manager may or may not be going to move on them in the coming weeks. Only time will tell.

One other thing . There are different grades of mistakes. ie little ones ,medium ones and clangers which cost you goals. Big Als spending quite a bit of time with the Soup Dragon. To balance this , the Cat also spent some time there last season..He might still be there but surely it's time to find out.

Honestly even if the Cat ships a few dodgy goals it wont come as a shock as we've been shipping dodgy goals all season anyway.

[Saintkev]

kev name one thing productive that he done, he was close to being sent off, only won 2 headers allday, you were sitting infront off me so i know you seen the same game as me

He tired out their defence, gave them no time to settle, helped out very well in defence, was unlucky with his effort at the time and most of alll looked like he gave a damn... he's lacking in confidence and is perhaps over eager, but they'll come together if he keeps playing like that... well done Dyron, from being forgotten to that!

[Saintkev]

Your dead right , but the team that make the least mistakes will win the league. Every player has the potential to play badly. You just don,t want it week in week out.

McInnes knows this hence the rumour of getting in a new keeper, but he has to work with what he has, and we all have different opinions on who is better out of Main and Cat, and McInnes has the benefit of seeing them most days at training.

Main makes mistakes, so does Cuthbert (as will any goalkeeper that we are abe to sign)... simple!

[Scobby_SJFC]

Too many people in the stand yesterday too ready to jump down mains neck, Am not saying hook him or not but there is no point in critising him during a game, as that helps nobody.

[Saintkev]

he put the ball in for the defender to clear it of his own player and jacko to scramble to ball home

:roll: You spent far too much time eyeing up Mrs Lovenkrands (and I don't blame you) but that was a great cross into the danger area... how many times do we scream for someone to whip it in where it hurts?

I thought McManus won the header to set up Jackson, but even if it was the defender, it was one of those balls which are bloody difficult to defend... no wonder he couldn't clear it.

Surely you have to give credit where credit is due!??! Probbaly not, but it's worth a try!!

[saint_markperth]

Surely you have to give credit where credit is due!??! Probbaly not, but it's worth a try!!

Just calling a spade a spade

[Saintkev]

Just calling a spade a spade

I thought not...:roll:

[Broon]

I'm surprised anyone can defend Main now. He has cost us almost a goal a game for 6/7 games from poor positioning alone. Granted, he has made some good saves (and gained us a point at Stirling) but all goalkeepers make good saves - even poor ones. The best goalkeepers are the ones that can catch a cross, make hard saves look easy and can kick even the most terrible back passes to safety. Unfortunately Main ticks none of those boxes anymore (for me anyway). However, we do have to realise that we are an SFL division 1 side - and perhaps we expect too much. He's not a bad keeper - however, I do believe cuthbert is better.

[Dennistoun Saint]

So the fact that he also made a good save counts for nothing? Is it only the negative aspects that get recognition? Main wasn't great yesterday - and I too think he is punching the ball far too often nowadays (he didn't used to do that when he was here before) - but he was nowhere near as bad as seems to be getting suggested.

I don't think any keeper in the league would have saved Clyde's goal yesterday. It was a fluke. The player himself probably didn't even mean it. These things happen, it doesn't matter who's in goal.

As others have said, yes he did make a couple of decent saves on Saturday but that is what he is paid to do. He has cost us more goals in the first half of this season than Cuthbert did for the duration of last season. His judgment and awareness have all but disappeared.
We cannot persist with some sentimental choice if he is going to keep shipping goals. Were you not at Firhill? Or the Morton game?
It's also having a clear impact on the defence. Their form is nothing like good enough but I think it's a real confidence issue and one borne out of the fact they have no faith in the person behind them. A defence will always be more shaky when they have little confidence in their keeper.
As for the claim of some that we have to replace him with someone better, I fully believe Cuthbert is a better keeper now. "Better" in my mind involves at least knowing where your bloody net is and it would therefore be better to play someone who isn't going to be such a liability. Any player constantly making poor and costly errors should be replaced.

[blueheaven]

As others have said, yes he did make a couple of decent saves on Saturday but that is what he is paid to do..

Using that logic, presumably nobody should ever get any credit- a striker scores a goal, that's what he's paid to do, a keeper makes a save that's what he's paid to do, a defender makes a tackle, a winger sends in a cross, etc etc. Should we only ever criticise and highlight the negatives?

He has cost us more goals in the first half of this season than Cuthbert did for the duration of last season. His judgment and awareness have all but disappeared.
We cannot persist with some sentimental choice if he is going to keep shipping goals. Were you not at Firhill? Or the Morton game?

No. I live in London so don't make that many games any more. I can only comment on the games I've seen, and in those I don't think I've seen Main make any huge errors. He's definitely looked a weaker keeper than the Main of old and the punching thing worries me. If we can get someone better, then we should definitely go for it. But I don't think Cuthbert's any better, and that has nothing to do with sentiment. I think it's fairly obvious that McInnes doesn't think Cuthbert's better either, and he works with him every day. In fact, the same is true of every manager we've had here who has worked with Cuthbert - the one thing that each one of them has agreed on is that he's not good enough. Surely that says something?

As for the claim of some that we have to replace him with someone better, I fully believe Cuthbert is a better keeper now. "Better" in my mind involves at least knowing where your bloody net is and it would therefore be better to play someone who isn't going to be such a liability. Any player constantly making poor and costly errors should be replaced.

I don't know what Cuthbert's current form is like, in training and bounce games etc, but again, McInnes is seeing him every day and clearly doesn't think it's up to much, otherwise he'd be playing by now ahead of Main who everyone seems to be pretty much agreed is now making quite a few mistakes.

I agree that anyone making constant mistakes should be replaced, but that doesn't automatically mean that any other option is better. I believe McInnes will sign a new keeper fairly soon, no matter what happens now. I just hope it's not another bloody loan signing.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

No. I live in London so don't make that many games any more.



I agree that anyone making constant mistakes should be replaced, but that doesn't automatically mean that any other option is better. .

The other option is at this time unknown, but I,ve been to most away games and every home game this season so I do feel that I have seen enough to form a fair and unbaised opinion of our current goalkeeper. As stated previously( see past posts).
I believe McInnes is afraid to drop Main exactly because he,s a legend and he may think the fans will turn on him if he does and the Cat is no better.

Now is the time for brave men to make courageous decisions. Having said that I would probably not drop him for the Dundee game.But thats my heart speaking not my head....

[Dennistoun Saint]

My point, Blueheaven, is that he did some decent bread'n'butter stuff on Saturday but there was nothing he wouldn't be expected to deal with - including the goal. Of course we should highlight positives for a goalkeeper but when he is to blame for so many goals then that must also be addressed. Don't get me wrong, I'll get right behind him and the rest of the team from the start on Wednesday but he has to up his game.
The Cat must be throwing the ball into the net in training or something! Even if he doesn't look spectacular in training surely it's worth giving him a chance in place of someone who has been a liability of late?
Main is a legend at the club and he was a key factor (if not THE key factor) in Uefa Cup qualification but he is done now and we need to move on.
I hope we get someone else in soon and there are no more opportunites for Main's great reputation to be tarnished.