Saints vs. Dundee 02/01/08

[dee4life]

Should be a cracker,we go there in great spirits not only a good 3 points today when playing poorly,we have just got arguably the best midfielder in the league to sign a new contract.Mcdonald has signed till 2009 cant wait till wednesday now,should be 2500 plus dees again.have a good new year all.:p

[SJFC1988,]

Struggled to beat a 10 man partick side. Its Hamiltons league this year.

[MUZZ]

cant wait my friend. its gonna be a radge one

[dee4life]

Struggled to beat a 10 man partick side. Its Hamiltons league this year.

May well be,and we did struggle but 3 points is 3 points and we are right in the thick of it.If we win on wednesday I think it could be all over for saints but as muzz said it should be a cracker.

[SJC]

2500 Dees again? I doubt Dundee have ever taken that support to McDiarmid.

Half that and thats probably the biggest support you've taken through to us.

Dundee are getting beat anyway, 7-2 to the Saints.

[MUZZ]

3000+ dees i reckon. the ormond stand is on standby to be opened

[dee4life]

2500 Dees again? I doubt Dundee have ever taken that support to McDiarmid.

Half that and thats probably the biggest support you've taken through to us.

Dundee are getting beat anyway, 7-2 to the Saints.

Ask radford he knows the stats better than most,think it was over 2600 last time.Face it your biggest crowds are against us and I,m sure all the saints fans are looking forward to the game as well.

[Steve Maskrey]

I'm going to miss the game :(

Mind you, i'll console myself with a nice cold beer or more with Pezza in Sydney

[SJFC1988,]

May well be,and we did struggle but 3 points is 3 points and we are right in the thick of it.If we win on wednesday I think it could be all over for saints but as muzz said it should be a cracker.

It was all over for us weeks ago.

However its nice to see us win today....but i wont get carried away and think we are back in it when were not...you never know though.:)

[SJC]

It will be a big game obviously, no chance of 3000 Coags attending though.

Last time I saw 3000 Coags at an away game it was against Livi when you were relegated, oh how I laughed in the Livi end :) tears outside Almondvale too.

Hopefully we win and Hamilton get 3 points as well, Mensing with a hat- trick.

For the record we're well out of the race anyway so we may as well do a bit of damage to your title hopes.

Enjoy the game though, yer alright for a Coag.

[mainstand]

Hopefully we win and Hamilton get 3 points as well, Mensing with a hat- trick.


That will be for Saints then. :)

[Scobby_SJFC]

I think Dundee will win 10-0 and bring 9000+ fans

[SJC]

Should there be some sort of tribute to Phil O' Donnell?

I remember tributes for Norrie McCathie of Dunfermline when he died of carbon monoxide poisoning.

A minutes applause would be a good gesture from both clubs.

[Kyle]

I wouldn't be surprised if the SPL games were postponed. Although, with the old firm game on the same day, it probably wont happen. I can't make the dundee game as it is anyway as I am working so hopefully we'll do ok in he game for the saintees who can make it!

[Mongy Max]

yer alright for a Coag.

But still a Coag though!
no way those muppets will bring 2500, 1800 tops.

It's been too long since we pumped the 7-2, let's do it again for old time sake!!

saying that we've as much chance of pumpin them 7-2 as they have of bringing 2500 gadgies!!

[st mousie]

could u try not to break the seats this time

[dee4life]

But still a Coag though!
no way those muppets will bring 2500, 1800 tops.

It's been too long since we pumped the 7-2, let's do it again for old time sake!!

saying that we've as much chance of pumpin them 7-2 as they have of bringing 2500 gadgies!!

Last time behind the goal got shut and there were over 2600,fact.We are in a better position now so would expect at least the same.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

For what it's worth, I think Dundee will bring 3000+ for the game and I hope they do. The more the merrier.Will be a great atmosphere and hopefully a great game.3-2 Saints would do me nicely.Bumper crowd 7000+ plenty hostile behavior. Bring it on....

Happy new year to you dickie boy.:)

I have a we suggestion for your guys. Get them to swim up the Tay for the game thus ensuring your all clean and stink free.This has the added advantage that the dirty smelly water will wash its way back to Jutesville:wink:

[SlickDT]

Looking forward to the game- in hospitality so champagne and 5 course meal, I'll be stuffed- watching Dundee get stuffed.

Yeeha!

[7-2]

there were over 2600,fact.
Do you really expect us to believe that a Dundonian can understand any numbers other than those in UB40????:shock:

[dee4life]

Do you really expect us to believe that a Dundonian can understand any numbers other than those in UB40????:shock:

Blah blah blah can you not do better than that,was wondering how long it took to get the usual coag,smelly,on the bru comments.Never mind water of a duck,s back and it is good having a decent crack with the more mature saints on here.I actually agree with soft lad ghostie in the more the merrier and we seem to bring out an extra 1500 homw fans when we visit so broonie will be happy.Keep th emature comments coming ghostie and his gang it gives me a giggle.

[Calypso Kid]

I always look forward to these games asi its not often a decent atmosphere is created these days at McD. I'm sure DFC are pleased when our guys toddle off down the Tay to Dens too so its a win win situation for both clubs. Enjoy the game D4L, just leave our seats alone.

[dee4life]

I always look forward to these games asi its not often a decent atmosphere is created these days at McD. I'm sure DFC are pleased when our guys toddle off down the Tay to Dens too so its a win win situation for both clubs. Enjoy the game D4L, just leave our seats alone.

Look mate the last game at your gaff,I was with my mate and his 2 young kids I,m hardly gonna be breaking seats.You also have some unruly fans like the wee laddie who ran on the pitch and some who were smacking pars fans at dens so its not just dundee fans.I hope its a good atmosphere,trouble free and we remain unbeaten against saints this season.

[7-2]

Blah blah blah can you not do better than that,was wondering how long it took to get the usual coag,smelly,on the bru comments.Never mind water of a duck,s back and it is good having a decent crack with the more mature saints on here.I actually agree with soft lad ghostie in the more the merrier and we seem to bring out an extra 1500 homw fans when we visit so broonie will be happy.Keep th emature comments coming ghostie and his gang it gives me a giggle.
You totally contradict yourself as it was your so called more mature saints who started the usual stuff that you refer too! You should check out half of your posts for repetition my one trick pony. As per usual when you are stuck for a retort all do is resort to the 'is that all you can do' routine!!!

Anyway, im away out for a few beers as I have a life. Enjoy your saturday night in on a Saints fans forum.:***:

Happy New Year all the business shafted by Dundee FC.

[dee4life]

You totally contradict yourself as it was your so called more mature saints who started the usual stuff that you refer too! You should check out half of your posts for repetition my one trick pony. As per usual when you are stuck for a retort all do is resort to the 'is that all you can do' routine!!!

Anyway, im away out for a few beers as I have a life. Enjoy your saturday night in on a Saints fans forum.:***:

Happy New Year all the business shafted by Dundee FC.

Mind your id.:p

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Blah blah blah can you not do better than that,was wondering how long it took to get the usual coag,smelly,on the bru comments.Never mind water of a duck,s back and it is good having a decent crack with the more mature saints on here.I actually agree with soft lad ghostie in the more the merrier and we seem to bring out an extra 1500 homw fans when we visit so broonie will be happy.Keep th emature comments coming ghostie and his gang it gives me a giggle.

You make me feel so young again. You really have no idea do you:shock:
Any enough of that. You just go rustle up as many of your fellow inbreds that you can and bring them all to the party.Have a great New Year but try to stay of the meths:***:

[7-2]

Look mate the last game at your gaff,I was with my mate and his 2 young kids I,m hardly gonna be breaking seats.You also have some unruly fans like the wee laddie who ran on the pitch and some who were smacking pars fans at dens so its not just dundee fans.I hope its a good atmosphere,trouble free and we remain unbeaten against saints this season.
Are your lot going to miss out the 208 and attack Mothercare this time??? If theyre not hard enough for you in there theres always a few bairns using Nohas Arks slides and ball pool that deserve a right doing over.

[dee4life]

You make me feel so young again. You really have no idea do you:shock:
Any enough of that. You just go rustle up as many of your fellow inbreds that you can and bring them all to the party.Have a great New Year but try to stay of the meths:***:

Will do ghostie and you stay away from your pigs and cider.P.s remember and get the tweed jaikit from the cleaners before wednesday,s game.

[7-2]

Mind your id.:p
Ignorant Dundonian???! Sure, but theres far too many to mind them all!!!!

[dee4life]

Are your lot going to miss out the 208 and attack Mothercare this time??? If theyre not hard enough for you in there theres always a few bairns using Nohas Arks slides and ball pool that deserve a right doing over.

How many dundee fans were at the game last time?How many caused trouble in the 208?Dont tar all fans the same.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Will do ghostie and you stay away from your pigs and cider.P.s remember and get the tweed jaikit from the cleaners before wednesday,s game.

How do you know I love Magners and pork scratchings.I don't have a tweed jacket but I do have a white Tuxedo and it is in at the cleaners.

Are you in fact GYPSY ROSE DEE?????????

[dee4life]

Ignorant Dundonian???! Sure, but theres far too many to mind them all!!!!

Your one liners are faf bet your mates love going on a night out with you,then again mebbe no.:p

[dee4life]

How do you know I love Magners and pork scratchings.I don't have a tweed jacket but I do have a white Tuxedo and it is in at the cleaners.

Are you in fact GYPSY ROSE DEE?????????

No but shes a friend of a friend

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Your one liners are faf bet your mates love going on a night out with you,then again mebbe no.:p

Hoy!!!Rose Dee whats this MEBBE?????? I fail to find it in my Lexicon:confused:

[SJC]

The last game at McDiarmid 3100 Dees fans caused trouble at the 208.

Another 500 were stopped at the Perthshire/ Angus border for breaching quarantine regulation, in addition 20 were caught floating up the Tay on a raft when the tide was coming in.

[Saintkev]

Are your lot going to miss out the 208 and attack Mothercare this time??? If theyre not hard enough for you in there theres always a few bairns using Nohas Arks slides and ball pool that deserve a right doing over.

:***: I heard they big hard Coags did exactly the same in a family pub in Hamilton this season... what a shower of pathetic baw-bags!

[Saintkev]

How many dundee fans were at the game last time?How many caused trouble in the 208?Dont tar all fans the same.

Let's just say it wasn't a handful... they guy who ran on the pitch, at least had the balls to run at the lot of you and stand and take the abuse... not like he ran over and threatened some women and children.:roll:

It is true though, that you are not all hooligans... but we can all agree that you are all deluded.

[Ronaldo]

3000+ dees i reckon. the ormond stand is on standby to be opened
Yeah you're right, thousands will turn up for what they believe will finally finish their Tayside rivals league title challenge.

Saints will rise to the occasion and atmosphere and close the gap with an inspiring win, putting their defence under presssure with three forwards from the start of the game.

In only two of the last five games have Dubdee scored more than 1 goal. Their defence has only conceded 4 goals in these seven games and 2 of them in one game, so we have to put their decent defence under pressure since Saints have the forward power when on form.

I think it will be a good game whatever the result.

[7-2]

Your one liners are faf bet your mates love going on a night out with you,then again mebbe no.:p
They do indeed which is why I was out having a few beers and laughs last night while you were sitting on t'internet on a St Johnstone fans website.:***:.

The amount of time you spend on here deeSadlife gives away your secret desire to be a Saintee and live in Perth. Poor guy. All these hours wishing your life away......:cry:

[dee4life]

They do indeed which is why I was out having a few beers and laughs last night while you were sitting on t'internet on a St Johnstone fans website.:***:.

The amount of time you spend on here deeSadlife gives away your secret desire to be a Saintee and live in Perth. Poor guy. All these hours wishing your life away......:cry:

Some people have kids to look after pal,as for the time I spend on here since 1st visiting in august I have posted roughly 150 times hardly on here all the time am I.

[dee4life]

:***: I heard they big hard Coags did exactly the same in a family pub in Hamilton this season... what a shower of pathetic baw-bags!

No you are wrong,as I said I wasn,t in the 208 so cant comment but was in the pub in hamilton with my mate and he,s 4 year old.Having a good beer when around 15 west coast neds came in looking for utility then started a row with dundee fans in there,it spilled out into the street and they got a doing.A few weeks prior apparently 2 hamilton fans were in your end at mcdiarmid so maybe you will take my word what happened(although I doubt it).My workmate who is a pars fan saw saints fans attack 2young men at dens one of which had to go to hospital I sure it was covered on there website so most clubs have numpties you just want to ignore the truth.

[7-2]

Some people have kids to look after.....was in the pub in hamilton with my mate and he,s 4 year old.Having a good beer.....
That expalins a lot deeSadlife and as for going drinking with your 4 year old mate???:shock: Life in Dundee, I ask you.

[Ronaldo]

That expalins a lot deeSadlife and as for going drinking with your 4 year old mate???:shock: Life in Dundee, I ask you.
They must prefer older women in Dundee because there's a lot of teenage pregnancies there.

Remember for all Dundee gay casual uniformed guys - "Our ground is McD NOT THE 208".

[dee4life]

That expalins a lot deeSadlife and as for going drinking with your 4 year old mate???:shock: Life in Dundee, I ask you.

What the **** are you talking about,can you not read,oh and you teacher would be appalled at your spelling.

[MUZZ]

the more dundee fans the better i reckon. better with bums on seats than empty seats. gonna be a great atmosphere but typically a nervy game. 2-1 saints...just

[7-2]

What the **** are you talking about,can you not read,oh and you teacher would be appalled at your spelling.
***....why not practice what you preach deeSadlife! Check what you wrote.

Mind you, your screens probably a bit grubby with all the finger marks on it from you trying to read. If youve any problems with the words your 4 year old mate might be able to help you out if hes sober.

[dee4life]

the more dundee fans the better i reckon. better with bums on seats than empty seats. gonna be a great atmosphere but typically a nervy game. 2-1 saints...just

I agree muzz,I always look forward to games at dens with saints as the atmosphere is better as you tend to bring a few.I agree it will be a nervy game with saints needing the win a little bit more than us.No gonna predict a scoreline but another tight game in store I reckon.If we win I reckon your season is over but it could go anyway.Have a good new year muzz.

[saint in exile]

Might head across for this one.Always a good atmosphere at the New Year games.Have a good New Year dee4life,hopefully not as good as ours though

[dee4life]

Might head across for this one.Always a good atmosphere at the New Year games.Have a good New Year dee4life,hopefully not as good as ours though

Cheers hope you see a good game if you go,all the best.

[MUZZ]

Have a good new year muzz. you too lad. buy ya pint in 208 if you're in before the game

[Gods Favourite Angel]

just had a pint with god allmighty and he says were due a win :)


:twisted:

[Saintkev]

No you are wrong,as I said I wasn,t in the 208 so cant comment but was in the pub in hamilton with my mate and he,s 4 year old.Having a good beer when around 15 west coast neds came in looking for utility then started a row with dundee fans in there,it spilled out into the street and they got a doing.

Different event then, as the pub that this event happened in got a bit trashed, you know the score, throwing stools about and bottles and glasses... the hard man way!

Your mate is 4!!:oops: :***:

[St Mikey]

Should be a cracker!

But I think with both teams not exactly on fire, will be another 1-1.

I want 4 sending off's as well!

[McCallum]

The last game at McDiarmid 3100 Dees fans caused trouble at the 208.

Another 500 were stopped at the Perthshire/ Angus border for breaching quarantine regulation, in addition 20 were caught floating up the Tay on a raft when the tide was coming in.

Great shout.

[Ronaldo]

you too lad. buy ya pint in 208 if you're in before the game
Many of them prefer to go in there during the game.

[SingaporeSaint]

I personally do not believe that the league is lost but we have to start turning in good performances on a consistent basis. Fotress McDiarmid continues and we get a close win on the 2nd. But we must continue our recnt away form to have any chance.

[Broggy Man]

Alot will have to do with who scores first me thinks. If the tinks score first we will struggle

[Dennistoun Saint]

I think we'll just edge it but we have to stick to keeping the ball on the deck. Our players really are daft! They have success with the on-the-ground football but decide "bugger that, we'll resort to the long balls that don't work"! If we come out with plenty of passion and really fight for the 2nd ball we'll win. Don't think who scores first is crucial - we've shown against Livi and Clyde that we can come back.
And I also hope there are as many Coags as possible - makes for a better atmosphere. Just hope the folk of Perth get up off their arses and come out to support Saints too.

[Dennistoun Saint]

May not be a game at all. With the Old Firm looking to postpone and other SPL games off it may be that the lower leagues follow suit.

[templeofsaints]

May not be a game at all. With the Old Firm looking to postpone and other SPL games off it may be that the lower leagues follow suit.

I hope not. While I feel sorry for the Well fans (and the Celtic ones to an extent) and it's possibly right that their games should be called off, Phil O'Donnell's death shouldn't stop life going on for the rest of the Scottish game. We should show our respect with a minutes silence / applause before kick-off and then get on with things.

[Dennistoun Saint]

I hope not. While I feel sorry for the Well fans (and the Celtic ones to an extent) and it's possibly right that their games should be called off, Phil O'Donnell's death shouldn't stop life going on for the rest of the Scottish game. We should show our respect with a minutes silence / applause before kick-off and then get on with things.

Couldn't agree more. Just a potential scenario.
Motherwell need to get the funeral out the way before they can think about playing again and when they do return I hope they can keep up the form and give him a season he would've been proud of. The rest of Scottish football should honour his memory by getting on with the game.

[wee lee #1]

better win this one if we dont the leagues over. we have too play like we did in the firsr half an hour at dens but keep it going for the whole game. and if we go up 1 nil not to bottle it and let dundee play football. hopefully a 2-1 win for the saints. not important but what strip will we be wearing:?: :?:

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I hope not. While I feel sorry for the Well fans (and the Celtic ones to an extent) and it's possibly right that their games should be called off, Phil O'Donnell's death shouldn't stop life going on for the rest of the Scottish game. We should show our respect with a minutes silence / applause before kick-off and then get on with things.

100% correct....Tradgedy , but life goes on...All the smaller clubs are looking at a bumper gate and they need the cash..I.m sure Phil O'Donnell would want games to be played.M'well off and Gretna fair enough but as is always the case we seem to over react. The OF being off is wrong.Please understand I am not being heartless but if every time someone passed away we shut down their industry , we would get nowhere.

[mainstand]

100% correct....Tradgedy , but life goes on...All the smaller clubs are looking at a bumper gate and they need the cash..I.m sure Phil O'Donnell would want games to be played.M'well off and Gretna fair enough but as is always the case we seem to over react. The OF being off is wrong.Please understand I am not being heartless but if every time someone passed away we shut down their industry , we would get nowhere.


I actually think the SPL should have called off all of their matches on Sunday. The dundee Utd players will be in no state to play on Wednesday after what they witnessed.

As far as the old if we did this in industry line I don't think there is any comparison, thousands of folk are not spending money to see you perform in your industry.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I actually think the SPL should have called off all of their matches on Sunday. The dundee Utd players will be in no state to play on Wednesday after what they witnessed.

As far as the old if we did this in industry line I don't think there is any comparison, thousands of folk are not spending money to see you perform in your industry.

Well actually , when a movie star , who millions pay to watch, passes away they don,t shut the cinemas.So there's a comparison . But they don't, do they. If someone on the stage in the west end dies , their show might be cancelled but all the others go on

[StDuncM]

Well actually , when a movie star , who millions pay to watch, passes away they don,t shut the cinemas.So there's a comparison . But they don't, do they. If someone on the stage in the west end dies , their show might be cancelled but all the others go on

At the movies it is not live but in Theatreland and Sports Stadia it most certainly is, so your comparison is not the same.

[auld reekie saint]

Just read on ceefax that the Old firm game is cancelled.The SPL say they recognise O'Donnell as part of the extended celtic familly?Does this not set a precedent where games can be cancelled all over the place?Or is this a special case because he played for the old firm?
O'Donnell was a Well player and cancelling their game is the correct thing to do.For everyone else a minutes applause is the appropriate response.

[mainstand]

Just read on ceefax that the Old firm game is cancelled.The SPL say they recognise O'Donnell as part of the extended celtic familly?Does this not set a precedent where games can be cancelled all over the place?Or is this a special case because he played for the old firm?

God forbid that any other players die during a match. This is a special situation and both parts of teh OF agreed that the game should be cancelled. let's not drag the poor guys name into the gutter by taking about OF.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

At the movies it is not live but in Theatreland and Sports Stadia it most certainly is, so your comparison is not the same.

Thats why I added the bit about the west end.

[Ronaldo]

HAVE A GO SAINTS!!!

[taylorboy69]

Just hope the saints that played Livi turns up and gives this lot from down the road a hiding that they really should have had from us over the last couple of season.
We have let them of the hook big style (especially at Dens) so it would be nice to give them a right royal roasting to bring us some optimsm for the 2008 year

[Ronaldo]

We know how they play - they're ugly, vicious, dirty and cheat and that's just their fans! :evil:

[andrew]

All this name calling stuff is stupid.
I don't hate Dundee. I don't think their fans never wash.
I don't think they're all poor cos the mills shut down.
I don't think their fans are all bigots.
I think Saints fans who say bad stuff about Dundee and Dundee fans are childish.
Bye the way, did I say I was born in Dundee?
Hoping for a good game.
Happy New Year to all posters, especially our guests from along the carse.
Come on you Saints!

[Ronaldo]

All this name calling stuff is stupid.
I don't hate Dundee. I don't think their fans never wash.
I don't think they're all poor cos the mills shut down.
I don't think their fans are all bigots.
I think Saints fans who say bad stuff about Dundee and Dundee fans are childish.
Bye the way, did I say I was born in Dundee?
Hoping for a good game.
Happy New Year to all posters, especially our guests from along the carse.
Come on you Saints!
I lived there too and yeah you may have a point but it's a traditional rivalry, that's why it's played at New Year. Name calling is all part of the festivity and of course they're ugly, vicious, dirty and cheat. Everyone knows that.

[andrew]

I lived there too and yeah you may have a point but it's a traditional rivalry, that's why it's played at New Year. Name calling is all part of the festivity and of course they're ugly, vicious, dirty and cheat. Everyone knows that.

Hey Ronaldo! I was being kinda tongue in cheek in my post!
Sometimes it gets personal and then it's too far!
Best way to get at them is to score more goals than they do!
Come on you Saints!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Time for a beer now .One last thing to add to the forum for 2007 regarding our childish abuse given to our friends from down the river.Get it right up yous ya bunch of scumbags. Happy new year.

[7-2]

Just read on ceefax that the Old firm game is cancelled.The SPL say they recognise O'Donnell as part of the extended celtic familly?Does this not set a precedent where games can be cancelled all over the place?Or is this a special case because he played for the old firm?
O'Donnell was a Well player and cancelling their game is the correct thing to do.For everyone else a minutes applause is the appropriate response.
Totally agree. Its a number of years since he played for Celtic and he subsequently played for Sheffield Wed for about 3 years before joining Well. They havent asked for a postponment. Theres no justification for cancelling the OF game.

[7-2]

At the movies it is not live but in Theatreland and Sports Stadia it most certainly is, so your comparison is not the same.
But it is they who have the saying...The Show Must Go On...and on most occasions it does.

[mainstand]

Totally agree. Its a number of years since he played for Celtic and he subsequently played for Sheffield Wed for about 3 years before joining Well. They havent asked for a postponment. Theres no justification for cancelling the OF game.

maybe these players aren't just as hard as you!!

Anyway back to the topic.

Think there might be a wee reshuffle of the pack again with 3 changes to Saturdays starting line up.

[MUZZ]

wish the game would hurry up

[saint in exile]

maybe these players aren't just as hard as you!!

Anyway back to the topic.

Think there might be a wee reshuffle of the pack again with 3 changes to Saturdays starting line up.

Cheers for that DM

[Stamford Saintee]

I have a we suggestion for your guys. Get them to swim up the Tay for the game thus ensuring your all clean and stink free.This has the added advantage that the dirty smelly water will wash its way back to Jutesville:wink:

You forgot something Jim.............................


























What if the tides in at 3pm! :|

[wattie_rojas]

Happy New Year Saintees! Hope you all have a bumper harvest this year and a successful village fete. A friendly welcome tomorrow would be appreciated:-o 'Mon the Dee!

[7-2]

maybe these players aren't just as hard as you!!
One of your more stupid posts Mainstand.

Hope McInnes doesnt throw McCaffrey in straight away given that he hasnt played a first team game for a couple of months and will hardly have trained with the rest of the defence.

[Calypso Kid]

Happy New Year Saintees! Hope you all have a bumper harvest this year and a successful village fete. A friendly welcome tomorrow would be appreciated:-o 'Mon the Dee!

I thought i had escaped your condescending coagie patter on P+B! Enjoy the game Wattie. Leave the seats where they are please.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Looking forward to the game tomorrow, our defence right now is not great, so looks like we're gonna have to attack and score to win, as I can see Dee scoring!
On paper a good game, and a must win if we have any realistic chance o catching the top 2, but a draw on the cards for me

Lets hope dee4life and his pals dont enjoy their visit

[slf]

Happy new year,am looking forward to this one.Will be disappointed if dundee dont bring 3 to 4 thousand to the game,lets see .Hopefully the team give there all and its not like the stirling game.I know its a derby/local game so lets stuff em.Maybe should have been all ticket.Hoping to party after.To beat the scum is a wonderful thing mon you saints

[saint in exile]

Can`t make it to the game unfortunately.Hope it`s a belter of a game though,should be close.C`MON THE SAINTS

[MUZZ]

3-2 home win

[McCarry One Nil]

canny have a drink the day as i have to take the car coz I need it later...last time that happened was 1st January 1997....... : )))

here's hoping

think there'll be a few goals today

[Perth-Saint]

come on the saints - I think 4-3 Saints:)

[Nairn Saint]

I would love to be down for this game! Come on ye Saints!

[Dunfermline Saint]

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Rutkiewicz
McManus
Craig
Sheerin
MacDonald
Jackson
Milne

Subs:
McBreen
Daal
Moon
McCaffrey
Cuthbert

Confirmed by SSN

[Dunfermline Saint]

Nothing happening so worth mentioning that Kevin MacDonald booked for Dundee

[Dunfermline Saint]

Sheerin booked in 43 mins

[Dunfermline Saint]

Pretty poor game according to the radio. Very few chances, one for Dundee and two for Saints. Free kick and a free header both from Peaso missed.

[a monkey]

1-0 scum

[Nairn Saint]

Sounds pretty dire!

[Dunfermline Saint]

Aye, a poor game just got worse!

[Nairn Saint]

I'll take Muzz's 3:2 now!

[Dunfermline Saint]

Just realised we have not scored first in a league game since the 3rd November!! :shock:

[Dunfermline Saint]

Anderson subbed for Moon

[Nairn Saint]

A time to become a hero?

[Dunfermline Saint]

Daniel McBreen on for Craig

[soccerchic]

1-1 now

[Dunfermline Saint]

Savo!!!

[california_saintee]

1-1 savo

[StDuncM]

Daniel McBreen on for Craig

A positive move.

Lets hope he has got to know his team-mates rapidly because that is one quick introduction!

[saint in exile]

McBreen is gonna score and Moon will get the winner and yes i have been drinking

[Perth-Saint]

Savo woohoo:)

[silver_blue]

1 - 1 Savo, checking teletext between bevs.

[saint in exile]

Come on SAinteeees

[pezza70]

anyone have a rough crowd figure

did we get a big crowd in?

[Dunfermline Saint]

anyone have a rough crowd figure

did we get a big crowd in?

My sister is at the game and she said it was a large crowd, don't know too much more though. May be the avg turnout for a derby game.

P.S. Hamilton 1-0 up

[pezza70]

Hamilton just dont seem to be dropping points :(

[Perth-Saint]

please god not another draw

[saint in exile]

please god not another draw

just what i was thinking

[Nairn Saint]

We are due a turn or two.

[saint in exile]

that`ll be 11

[Dunfermline Saint]

Daal on for Jackson 87 mins.....go on Dyron!!!

[St. Paddy]

Cometh the hour......Cometh the Daal

[saint in exile]

he`ll miss a sitter then

[pezza70]

Daal the cult status bandwagon could really grow in the next few minutes if he gets the winner

[Dunfermline Saint]

FT

[pezza70]

1-1 Fulltime

the only positive is that we are now 3 wins of second last

Hamilton are just too consistant at present

[Perth-Saint]

argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no more draws;)

[Nairn Saint]

Bum

[pezza70]

It is almost 4am down here I will now go back to bed and look forward to reading everyone who was at the game disection of it all, when I get back up

Saintees to win

[SJC]

It was an awful excuse for a football match.

Our first half performance was abysmal- McManus and Main should be dropped pronto- they created more chances for Dundee than any of their players.

Stanic played well but decided not to bother playing any square balls and just run play it between Sheerin and Peaso. Rutki is clearly injured (which cost us a goal- he went clutching his knee when no-one was near him) and struggled from the first minute.

Moon played well when he came on and we were a completely different team with him on the park. We dominated the second half and should have won, Dundee had a few breaks but they were awful throughout the game.

Jackson missed two great chances, a sitter of a header and a clear shot at goal.

The ref was awful, we had two stone wall penalties turned down as well as a further handball from a Dundee defender. Jackson was through, waiting on the ball coming down- a Coag flattened him without winning the ball and the ref didn't give anything, for the second one another Dundee defender stopped the ball about 3 yards out with his arm and again the ref gave nothing.

Poor performance but we should have won the game because Dundee are just as bad.

[mainstand]

It was an awful excuse for a football match.

Our first half performance was abysmal- McManus and Main should be dropped pronto- they created more chances for Dundee than any of their players.


They didn;t do a very good job as I can't remember main making a save in the first half.

Second half saints went for it with 4 strikers on teh park, The side looked more comfortable with Ievine at right back and moon in midfield. Overall a draw was a fair result.

As for Main thought he pulled off 3 excellent saves in the second half, SJC must have forgot to put taht in his post.

[Nick]

Dundee controlled the midfield untill Moon was intoduced. He's the only player who keeps it simple by passing on the deck!

McManus again was shocking. Late in challenges, fouling in the air, and hoofs it every time he gets the ball.

I wasn't confident with Main, any time the ball went near him!

Plus side, McBreen looks a decent player. Offers something different.

I think its about time the likes of Moon were giving the games they need to develop.

[dee4life]

Poor game but happy with a point cracking strike from mcdonald but a draw probably fair although saints goal was very fortunate but we didn,t play well enough to deserve the win.No the best conditions to play football and a decent crowd.Not to worried about slipping behind accies as they will have hard games to come as well.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Just one word for that performance.............Rubbish:oops:

[MUZZ]

crap game + crap atmosphere for a new year derby. too many long balls as usual.

alan main was on top form. cuthbert woulnt have saved the tip over the bar near the end.

p.s i like the 433, but its no good with 3 pretty identical strikers.

[dee4life]

Any idea the crowd,we seemed to have a good support again,went in the main stand this time,2 quid dearer but better view.

[SJC]

Main was awful today, the saves he made were a result of him not collecting a simple cross in his 6 yard box to start with.

He almost cost a goal again by playing the ball to Stanic when he had a Dundee player right at his back.

We were uneasy for the first 20 minutes because of his pointless shouts and god awful kicking, everytime Dundee were in our half he panicked and shouted at the defenders to kick it out or clear it.

[SJC]

No sign of the 2600 you promised Dee, probably about 1800 Coags and 4000 Saints.

[Dev]

Main was awful today, the saves he made were a result of him not collecting a simple cross in his 6 yard box to start with.

He almost cost a goal again by playing the ball to Stanic when he had a Dundee player right at his back.

We were uneasy for the first 20 minutes because of his pointless shouts and god awful kicking, everytime Dundee were in our half he panicked and shouted at the defenders to kick it out or clear it.

I really don't think that's fair. He's made a few mistakes recently but he made the saves when necessary under pressure today. Main made two excellent saves near the end, the one he tipped over the bar and the other one that the tipped round the post.

Would you swap him for Samson?

[Dev]

No sign of the 2600 you promised Dee, probably about 1800 Coags and 4000 Saints.

I would be very surprised if the attendance figures are not more like 2500 from Dundee and 3500 from Saints. The North Stand was full and their Main Stand section was pretty busy.

[dee4life]

No sign of the 2600 you promised Dee, probably about 1800 Coags and 4000 Saints.

Looked more than that from dundee sjc not many spaces behind the goal and at least 4-500 in the main stand,Didn,t look near 400 home fans either a lot of empty seats across from us but I couldn,t see your crowd in the main stand.Will be interesting to see the real figures,no that it matters in the end.

[MUZZ]

fao dee4life, i spent today being branded a coagie because i'm a nice chap who is nice to you.

however, i reckon about 2000 dees at the game. really expected many more

[dee4life]

fao dee4life, i spent today being branded a coagie because i'm a nice chap who is nice to you.

however, i reckon about 2000 dees at the game. really expected many more

Haha as my late dad used to say "its nice to be nice" I sure it was in good fun.

[SJC]

The away stand holds about 1300- there were at least a couple of hundred vacant seats in that stand.

The Saints end looked about as full as the last few times we've played Dundee so the crowd shout be about 5800 as it was around that last time.

[MUZZ]

6057

[Dev]

The away stand holds about 1300- there were at least a couple of hundred vacant seats in that stand.

No it doesn't, it holds considerably more than that. Think Radford said recently it was just a handful short of 2000.

[dee4life]

Saint fan on p and b said dundee support was 2654 which is a decent following imo.

[SJC]

I thought the stands behind the goal held around 1300, with the East Stand holding 3700 and the Main stand just over 4000.

No chance there was 2600 Dundee fans there anyway, another complete exaggeration.

[dee4life]

I thought the stands behind the goal held around 1300, with the East Stand holding 3700 and the Main stand just over 4000.

No chance there was 2600 Dundee fans there anyway, another complete exaggeration.

It was a saint fan who said it not me,why would he .lie.Thought maybe 1800 behind the goal and another 500 in the main stand

[SJC]

Just because a Saints fan said it doesn't make it true.

Does it matter anyway? I'm not up for arguing over a crowd as it just bores everyone else and puts people off posting.

Hope you enjoyed the game anyway.

[Perth-Saint]

attendance 6,072

[andrew]

Wanted to start a new poll for 'Worst man of the match'.
This game would have only one choice - McManus. Scary!
As for the game, why lump high balls to wee strikers against giant defenders?
Moon and McBreen changed the game, with the latter looking useful.

[Perth-Saint]

With former Manager Owen Coyle watching from the stand Saints struggled to make much of an impact in the opening quarter of an hour...


There was a great atmosphere inside the ground as the game began...

two quotes from the website- so was it a decent atmosphere:wink: :***:

[The Real Saints]

Pretty shambolic stuff today, although we picked ourselves up a bit in the second half.
The first 45 minutes were abysmal - Saints couldn't seem to string more than 3 passes together at a time. Sticking with 4-3-3 was a stupid idea. We lacked width and were exposed on the wings because of this, particularly by Gavin Swankie.
There was a 10 minute spell in the first half where we looked a bit more sharp, but it came to nothing in the end.
I was surprised that Dundee were unable to take advantage of our sloppy passing, particularly in defence.
Our players looked disinterested and there was no link-up between defence + midfield, and midfield + attack. Just hopeless punts up the park.
We were just as poor at the beginning of the second half, and Dundee fully deserved their goal, which I have to admit was very impressive.
We pulled ourselves back into the game a bit more after that, and scored the equaliser soon after, when Milne squeezed in an effort past the unreliable Samson.
We pushed on a bit, and Derek McInnes made a couple of subsitutions which I would have made if I was in his position : Rutkiewicz off for Moon, and new loan signing McBreen on for Jackson. Kevin Moon and Danny McBreen freshened things up, and both looked impressive.
Dyron Daal couldn't make much of an impression with the time he was on the pitch.

All in all, Dundee looked the more dangerous team, and we were very poor. The plus points are that Danny McBreen looks like he could be a great signing, and Kevin Moon's performance when he came on. He has lot of potential, and actually kept the ball on the deck.

Our performances must be improved if we're hoping not to drop any more silly points by drawing.

It's now up to McInnes to decide on a settled formation and line-up and generally stick by it. It's not going to help when he's chopping and changing the personnel each week.

[scotpages]

16 - games to go
16 - the number of points we need to get above Hamilton
16 - the number of points they've lost all season
I usually like it when the numbers match up, but those figures are sobering.

Once again we lose the first goal in the game.
Personally I'm fed up of the number of times we hear mangers say "I know what's wrong/there's not much wrong" and still it's the same old problem of draw, draw, draw. Saints don't even seem to start until the task is already an uphill one.

If you take our 11 draws, we'd have been better off in terms of points by winning 4 and losing 7. That's how costly draws are.

Our home defending record has been woeful compared to Hamilton. We've scored more but let in an average of a goal a game more.
Also, our away form continues to be terrible, and it has been for years. Hamilton have sorted this out this year - as they have had a great home record for a while.
In all honesty that might be a good starting place for McInnes. I don't know what Saint's preparations are for away matches but perhaps there's something that can be done here. Any suggestions from those of you who know how Saints prepare/travel to away matches?

I do hope McInnes is no longer thinking there isn't much wrong - there is. Any other opinion suggests that nothing is going to change.

Our home form, I think, was the best in the league last year.
Our away form was very poor.

This year Dundee and Hamilton are both much better at home than us.
Our away form continues to be rubbish.

It's been another step backwards, and without a bit of proper foresight by the management it won't get any better. But it might get worse.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Decent Dundee follwing, but only about 100 of them sang, but good numbers you have to give them that.

The tactics that Derek played today are fine if you are playing a lesser team such as Clyde, but you cannot get away with it against a team like Dundee, we had no midfield exept from Sheerin, and he cannot do it by himself.

Jackson and Peaso are not wingers and should never been played there again, and Daal is a joke am sorry but he is. Craig looked like he was trying but didnt do too much

Very poor today infront of a good crowd, no imagination to unlock Dundee too many long balls and shocking tactics.
If anybody had any glimmer of the title left it has surely been ended today.

[Jamie_Beatson]

I thought the stands behind the goal held around 1300, with the East Stand holding 3700 and the Main stand just over 4000.

No chance there was 2600 Dundee fans there anyway, another complete exaggeration.

Sorry mate, but I reckon 2500-2600 is about right. Dundee are allocated approx 2900-3000 seats (just under 2000 behind the goal and just under 1000 in Main Stand), with around 200 of them roped off in total across both stands.

I would have said there were only 300-400 empty at the most.

[Cagey]

Does it really matter how many Dundee fans were there.
As for the game a draw was probably the right result. Saints didn`t start playing until they scored ,before that the ball was like a hot potatoe to Saints players.

Why when Moon was everyones MoM last week did McInness change the team. Agreed with Ando at right back as he kept Swankie out of the game but Irvine is not a midfielder & should be right back. McManus is a liability & Ruti needs some match practise to get back to his best. Moon kept McDonald out of the game when he came on & found time to take the ball down & make passes. McBreen impressed when he came on & could be a good target man if we persist with the long ball.
Jacko did not have his best game & may have to be the one to make way for McBreen but Peaso did nothing either until Moon came on.

Not sure if a goalie should have been beat by a shot from the angle they scored from but I am just biased . Main had a fair game apart from confusing the defence with his man on calls on every occassion. Whats wrong with My Ball occasionally Alan.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Thought Main was good today to be honest, for me the Dundee goal was a good finish, even if it was debatable with our man on the ground, but saying tha would we have knocked the ball out under the same circumstances? I think not

[templeofsaints]

Draw was a fair result, but that's no excuse for some of the rubbish we're seeing on the park. I'm fed up watching the defence continue to play high balls to a short strikeforce who have little support from midfield. Irvine is not a midfielder - he looks uncomfortable going through the middle and it wasn't until Mooner came on that we looked settled. Sheerin IMHO struggled because his left foot meant that he rarely played the ball to the right wing where Jacko had plenty of room all afternoon.

Main made some good saves but he was also posted missing for a series of crosses in the first half and his distribution was again poor. I've given up on seeing Cuthbert get a chance in the team but my feeling is that as long as Main is there we're never going to have a solid defence and will continue to leak goals.

On the plus side, Stanic had a much better game today. Savo and Peaso both put in a good shift and McBreen did well when he came on. But Moon made a big difference. Hardly put a foot wrong and has to start on Saturday.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Does it really matter how many Dundee fans were there.


Not sure if a goalie should have been beat by a shot from the angle they scored from but I am just biased . Main had a fair game apart from confusing the defence with his man on calls on every occassion. Whats wrong with My Ball occasionally Alan.

main keep us in the game with 2 great saves near the end

[wee lee #1]

shite game the day we should started with mooner in midfield and gary irvine the right back at right back:confused: :confused: . we done nothing in the game until they scored but we keep punting the ball into know mans land alan main had a few good saves the day.

[monkfish]

alan main was on top form. cuthbert woulnt have saved the tip over the bar near the end.

Very true, said that at the time. Folk have got a Main vendetta, you can't blame him for us being crap the day, he saved us a few times at the end.

Tactics didn't work, there was nae midfield, but when Moon came on it was a lot better, and the new striker looked good. We were terrible first half and only got going when they scored.
Dundee'll take a point but its nae good to us. Nice to come back from 1 down and shut them up though :)

[taylorboy69]

The sooner we get shot of McManus, Sheerin and Im afraid to say it Stanic, then the better team we will become.

Sheerin is looking like more and more a pub player.
McManus needs a rest.
Stanic, do not think his heart is in it anymore, too many times now he will just punt it up the park whereas last season he was willing to take guys on.

[Dev]

The sooner we get shot of McManus, Sheerin and Im afraid to say it Stanic, then the better team we will become.

Stanic, do not think his heart is in it anymore, too many times now he will just punt it up the park whereas last season he was willing to take guys on.

Can't disagree more after today's performance. Stanic has been poor in the first half of the season but today I thought he was back to his form last season. He seemed to be more solid defensively and much more creative going forward than he has been so far this season.

I've been critical of him recently and said we needed to find a replacement but if he can keep that form up then he won't be out of the team.

[monkfish]

The sooner we get shot of McManus, Sheerin and Im afraid to say it Stanic, then the better team we will become.

I thought Sheerin and Stanic were two of our better players today. Until Moon came on Sheerin was the only one picking out decent passes and making any sort of space. He kept having to put the ball ahead of people just to get them to shift up the pitch.

[Watty]

2300 dundee 3700 saints if anyone is interested. Dundee had said they'd bring at least 3000 but i guess they dont exactly play exciting football, so not yet cajouled all those sleeping dee fans out of their slumber.

[taylorboy69]

The games are passing Sheerin by just now, he really has no place in our midfield if we are going to adopt the 4-3-3 that Del seems to be favouring.

In a 4-3-3 we need highly mobile individuals and sadly this is where he falls down. Ive also notice a considerable slow down in his passing, seems to take him longer to pass the ball these days.

Great servant who is a fine option from the bench but no longer a starter.

[SJFC1988,]

16 - games to go
16 - the number of points we need to get above Hamilton
16 - the number of points they've lost all season
I usually like it when the numbers match up, but those figures are sobering.

Once again we lose the first goal in the game.
Personally I'm fed up of the number of times we hear mangers say "I know what's wrong/there's not much wrong" and still it's the same old problem of draw, draw, draw. Saints don't even seem to start until the task is already an uphill one.

If you take our 11 draws, we'd have been better off in terms of points by winning 4 and losing 7. That's how costly draws are.

Our home defending record has been woeful compared to Hamilton. We've scored more but let in an average of a goal a game more.
Also, our away form continues to be terrible, and it has been for years. Hamilton have sorted this out this year - as they have had a great home record for a while.
In all honesty that might be a good starting place for McInnes. I don't know what Saint's preparations are for away matches but perhaps there's something that can be done here. Any suggestions from those of you who know how Saints prepare/travel to away matches?

I do hope McInnes is no longer thinking there isn't much wrong - there is. Any other opinion suggests that nothing is going to change.

Our home form, I think, was the best in the league last year.
Our away form was very poor.

This year Dundee and Hamilton are both much better at home than us.
Our away form continues to be rubbish.

It's been another step backwards, and without a bit of proper foresight by the management it won't get any better. But it might get worse.


Full of Facts there SP:p

[St Mikey]

No surprise, we cannae win and cannae lose.

Draw, again.

[Calypso Kid]

442 net week DM. Totally disjointed going forward and shaky at the back. Stanic, Moon and Irvine pass marks for me.

[Jamie_Beatson]

Picture on the official site of Ruti getting taken down by Palenik just before Dundee's goal - http://www.stjohnstonefc.co.uk/matchreport.asp?ResultID=353 - looks dodgy.

[Cagey]

Pic shows the ref had a good view of it but not surprised he didn`t give it as he gave us nothing all game.

[dunblanemike]

If you take our 11 draws, we'd have been better off in terms of points by winning 4 and losing 7. That's how costly draws are.


but surely with those 7 loses others would also be 2 points better off - possibly more if any draws were repeated against the same team. So we would be 1 point better off and others would be 2 or more better off - great logic!!:shock: :!: :idea:

[Tranmere Saintee]

Picture on the official site of Ruti getting taken down by Palenik just before Dundee's goal - http://www.stjohnstonefc.co.uk/matchreport.asp?ResultID=353 - looks dodgy.

Thanks Jamie, was about to post that Ruti was taken out of the game (not sure who said he went down with nobody near him), but as has been said, the ref was giving us nothing again.

[Who Are You?]

Alan main's kicking is shit and I believe thats why he gets so much stick, FWIW I dont think he was at all bad today.

Also I felt Irvine was once again impressive as was Stanic, and for me Steven Milne is still the best football we have.

We're never going to win win this league and I'd like us to built for next season for me that would mean signing players on deals longer than 6 month loans.

[Who Are You?]

Picture on the official site of Ruti getting taken down by Palenik just before Dundee's goal - http://www.stjohnstonefc.co.uk/matchreport.asp?ResultID=353 - looks dodgy.

Cheers for posting that as I was starting to doubt myself!

[andrew]

Where's the man of the match poll?
Never started one, fairly new, so just asking!
Thanks :)

[541ntees]

Picture on the official site of Ruti getting taken down by Palenik just before Dundee's goal - http://www.stjohnstonefc.co.uk/matchreport.asp?ResultID=353 - looks dodgy.

Thought i spotted that from the other end of the main stand but Kev never complained(not that he was in a position to) and esp since Craig never moaned(be never needs an excuse) so i assumed there was nothing in it. Anyway same old dundee...

1st half we lacked any urgency or desire that again only appeared once we went a goal down . Since DMc is tuning into Ranieri i had no idea what the line up would be on drive up but to hear Moon was on the bench was a disgrace! The long punts from the defenders have to stop but plus points are that their does not look like 12 points between the class in both teams.

Official site said it was 3-5-2 but looked like 4-4-2 from where i was sitting.

Main made some great saves today but that does not change my opinion that he has to be dropped for the Cat. His distribution is awful, constantly putting defenders under pressure. Does not come for enough cross balls.

Goran had good game. Kev was ok. McManus had a stinker(so Ando to partner Ruti from now on) Ando had an average game.

Irvine had good game getting stuck in but is not a mid-fielder so should revert to right back. i've been putting up with Craig and his moaning because he looked a decent footballer but even that was missing from his game today-his attitude is all wrong and only a matter of time before he gets sent off(Sheerin had to run 30yards across the pitch to tell him to stop shouting at ref). And Sheerin was again the only player trying to pass the ball along the ground until Moon came on. So those who moan about his lack of speed should shut up because he admits it himself he never has been pacy.

Peaso didn't have his best game and should have scored that header. Savo looked like the only goal threat and took his goal well. Jacko ran his heart out as usual but it jus was not his day should really have found his name on the score sheet.

Moon made big difference when coming on - his tackling an passing is always100% accurate and will be disappointed not to have started.MUST START NEXT WEEK. Was very impressed with McBreen also - a bit like a mobile Deuchar. - He looks like he'd bag a few if we had some width getting in crosses such as McLaren McCluskey or Weatherston but they don't seem to be part of DMc's plans. Daal had little time to make an impact but thought the script was gonna be wrote for him to become a cult hero but was not to be.

At least DMc had the balls to make the changes early enough - can just see the Burnley fans right now on edge of seats shouting "make the change". And just who was Owen watching today, doubt it was any of ours i'm assuming it was Kevin Mcdonald?

[541ntees]

for me Steven Milne is still the best football we have.

I'm pretty sure the club own a mitre delta somewhere!

[Calypso Kid]

I'm pretty sure the club own a mitre delta somewhere!

Odd shaped ball the Milne size 5

[patsy]

irvine - superb, ando - good, goran - good,usuall superb savo, craig - back to falkirk and mcmanus is rubbish darren dods esq distribution

[saint_markperth]

:razz: Whats wrong with My Ball occasionally Alan.

It would be a speach foul

[scotpages]

but surely with those 7 loses others would also be 2 points better off - possibly more if any draws were repeated against the same team. So we would be 1 point better off and others would be 2 or more better off - great logic!!:shock: :!: :idea:

Then allow me to enter into the amazing world of my logic.

I'll take my cue from games we lost the first goal as being ultimately lost, and a win for the games where we scored first.
For no score draws I'll say home wins.
I've split the two 2-2s with Morton as one win each since both teams had a lead in each game.

Queen of South 3-3 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 2-2 Stirling Win
St Johnstone 1-1 Dundee Win
Partick 0-0 St Johnstone loss
Dunfermline 0-0 St Johnstone loss
Morton 2-2 St Johnstone Lose
St Johnstone 1-1 Clyde Loss
St Johnstone 0-0 Dunfermline Win
Partick 2-2 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 2-2 Morton win
Stirling 0-0 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 1-1 Dundee Loss

giving:

1 Hamilton 20 44
2 Dundee 20 42
3 St Johnstone 20 30
4 Dunfermline 20 28
5 Partick 19 28
6 Morton 20 25
7 Queen of South 20 25
8 Clyde 18 22
9 Livingston 20 20
10 Stirling 19 13

There's nothing that any 4 wins and 7 losses could do which would leave us in a worse position than we are in reality.
My fictional table there shows us a point nearer the leaders, and a point further away from the playoff.

[SlickDT]

Pretty poor game, with no player really sticking out for us. Stanic had a not too bad game, sheerin came in bursts and spurts and Main made some very good saves.

MacDonald of Dundee, is a very talented boy- and anything Dundee did came through him. Thought Moon did well against him when he came on and settled the midfield.

If we are going to play a 4-3-3 I would rather we played Willie and Weatherston than going with two strikers. MacDonald struggled out wide.

The defenders needed a midfielder to drop deep and take the ball from them- rather than the real long balls over the top!

[Dennistoun Saint]

Not even close to being good enough.
Long balls humped up to a small strikeforce, Main all over the place, a defence that didn't seem to know what they were doing (how many times did Ando and Irvine bitch at each other/shrug their shoulders in confusion?), Sheerin mastering the sideways pass that he's made his own and Peaso trying his best in a position that definitely doesn't suit him (if you're going to play wide left then you'd better be quick and able to take defenders on).
Not a lot between the sides but, unlike so many of our draws, we didn't deserve the 3 points.
McBreen looked quite sharp and physical when he came on and Stanic deserved his MoM award.
It's so frustrating when we all know Saints can be so much better if they'd just pass the ball on the deck.
Oh, and do you think someone could tell those half-wits in our colours that they are allowed to play on both sides of the pitch?!

[SingaporeSaint]

Then allow me to enter into the amazing world of my logic.

I'll take my cue from games we lost the first goal as being ultimately lost, and a win for the games where we scored first.
For no score draws I'll say home wins.
I've split the two 2-2s with Morton as one win each since both teams had a lead in each game.

Queen of South 3-3 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 2-2 Stirling Win
St Johnstone 1-1 Dundee Win
Partick 0-0 St Johnstone loss
Dunfermline 0-0 St Johnstone loss
Morton 2-2 St Johnstone Lose
St Johnstone 1-1 Clyde Loss
St Johnstone 0-0 Dunfermline Win
Partick 2-2 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 2-2 Morton win
Stirling 0-0 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 1-1 Dundee Loss

giving:

1 Hamilton 20 44
2 Dundee 20 42
3 St Johnstone 20 30
4 Dunfermline 20 28
5 Partick 19 28
6 Morton 20 25
7 Queen of South 20 25
8 Clyde 18 22
9 Livingston 20 20
10 Stirling 19 13

There's nothing that any 4 wins and 7 losses could do which would leave us in a worse position than we are in reality.
My fictional table there shows us a point nearer the leaders, and a point further away from the playoff.

What the **** is this all about ?

[blueheaven]

Poor game again, but at least we got the point. I thought Stanic was back to his best and Main made some vital saves. Savo did his usual impressive amount of running about, and good to see it paying off. Sheerin, for me, is still our most skilful player and he showed that again in this game, but doesn't have the presence to prevent the game from bypassing him at times. I don't think that combination of midfielders could ever work for us (the players are all decent individually, but the combination is all wrong).

Ando did his best but still doesn't look like a right-back - why play him there and not Irvine? McManus was alright but seems to be rapidly turning into the latest boo boy - pretty soon he won't be able to do anything right in the eyes of a lot of folk. In fact, perhaps he's already there. He has obvious limitations, but I don't think his presence is a big part of the problem. We've managed to play good football with him in the team in the past. Moon again looked a great prospect and shouldn't have been dropped.

If it was up to me I'd rest Jackson and play a more regular front pairing with any two from Milne, Peaso and McBreen for the next game. Jacko and Daal are both great to be able to bring off the bench though.

[saint_markperth]

I didnt think that ando played right back i thought it was more of a


.......................Main......................
.....Ando.........Ruti..........McManus
Irvine.................................Stanic
..........Sheerin.........Craig.............
Jacko................................Peaso
................Savo........................

To start with anyway, then we took of craig and went 4-3-3

[dunblanemike]

Then allow me to enter into the amazing world of my logic.


There's nothing that any 4 wins and 7 losses could do which would leave us in a worse position than we are in reality.
My fictional table there shows us a point nearer the leaders, and a point further away from the playoff.
I don't want to labour the point as this is all hypothetical anyway, but there are permutations (of 4 wins and 7 defeats instead of 11 draws) that would leave us worse off. For example, if both Dunfy draws were defeats we would now be in 4th place. Or, if both Stirling draws were defeats we would now only be 14 points from bottom!
:D

[TheBigCheese]

I didnt think that ando played right back i thought it was more of a


.......................Main......................
.....Ando.........Ruti..........McManus
Irvine.................................Stanic
..........Sheerin.........Craig.............
Jacko................................Peaso
................Savo........................

To start with anyway, then we took of craig and went 4-3-3

It wasn't. We were clearly playing four at the back with Irvine, Sheerin and Craig in the middle as per the last handful of games. When Ando went off Irvine went to right back where he should have been at the start of the game.

As I've said before I don't really like this formation because it leaves the full backs too isolated. They are scared to push forward because nobody covers back for them because it's not clear who has that job - a midfielder or a striker. Equally the wide two up front are often left isolated when in possesion. I think Peaso plays the wide role quite well but Jackson continually drifts into the middle and seldom tracks back. I'd like to see Milne on the right on Saturday with McBreen playing in the central role and Jacko on the bench.

[wee lee #1]

Then allow me to enter into the amazing world of my logic.

I'll take my cue from games we lost the first goal as being ultimately lost, and a win for the games where we scored first.
For no score draws I'll say home wins.
I've split the two 2-2s with Morton as one win each since both teams had a lead in each game.

Queen of South 3-3 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 2-2 Stirling Win
St Johnstone 1-1 Dundee Win
Partick 0-0 St Johnstone loss
Dunfermline 0-0 St Johnstone loss
Morton 2-2 St Johnstone Lose
St Johnstone 1-1 Clyde Loss
St Johnstone 0-0 Dunfermline Win
Partick 2-2 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 2-2 Morton win
Stirling 0-0 St Johnstone Loss
St Johnstone 1-1 Dundee Loss

giving:

1 Hamilton 20 44
2 Dundee 20 42
3 St Johnstone 20 30
4 Dunfermline 20 28
5 Partick 19 28
6 Morton 20 25
7 Queen of South 20 25
8 Clyde 18 22
9 Livingston 20 20
10 Stirling 19 13

There's nothing that any 4 wins and 7 losses could do which would leave us in a worse position than we are in reality.
My fictional table there shows us a point nearer the leaders, and a point further away from the playoff.

yeah and if your auntie had balls she would be your uncle

[StDuncM]

I don't have a clue what this thread is now about, so all I am going to say is this - At what point last season were we 15 points behind Gre£na?

I have a feeling that it was about this time or even later and I cannot be ar*ed to research it.

We are gonna win this league, and with the players we bring in during the window of opportunity, are gonna storm up the SPL and qualify for Europe again before too long.

Smashing stuff this Cockburns Port!

[scotpages]

What the **** is this all about ?

It was a response to Dunblane questioning my logic of 4 wins and 7 losses being better than 11 draws.
Apologies if it was too much effort for you to read, but thanks for your constuctive comments.