Saints vs. Stirling Albion 26/01/08

[ancientsaint]

Craig Thomson will take charge of Saints game v Stirling Albion on 26th jan 2008.

[Cagey]

Might not be. He has just gone off injured in Well-Hearts game.

[Calypso Kid]

His injury is a blessing. I appreciate referees in the modern game but this man is a fanny.

[Noose76]

6 and half a dozen really, they're all tits.

[ancientsaint]

Might not be. He has just gone off injured in Well-Hearts game.



Stuart Dougal started the Motherwell-Hearts game....he then injured himself and was replaced by Craig Thomson....so its Thomson for Saturday ...Sorree !!

[Kevin]

Stuart Dougal started the Motherwell-Hearts game....he then injured himself and was replaced by Craig Thomson....so its Thomson for Saturday ...Sorree !!

Maybe not, if Dougal's match is still available for Saturday they may well put Thomson into it as it is his grade

[ancientsaint]

Maybe not, if Dougal's match is still available for Saturday they may well put Thomson into it as it is his grade


Dougal down for Sunday game.....Fallkirk v shellatik

[sjfc]

a win (touch wood)

Clyde and dundee to win also. this will be the table after sat. looks better and better

Pts
Dundee 46
Hamilton 45
St.Johnstone 38

[templeofsaints]

Don't care what Accies or Dundee do until 4.45 on Saturday - we've got enough to worry about with our own game.

I fancy us to win this but Stirling are a decent side and will work hard in defence. Having said that, they need to start notching up some wins so I don't think they'll be as defensive as in the past. Still up to us to go at them from the start and show some killer instinct.

[Broggy Man]

maybe just maybe things are starting to swing

[stanley saint]

lets just get 3 points on sat and the rest will fall into place

[dan the saint]

lets just get 3 points on sat and the rest will fall into place

I am with u on this but i would like to see more then 2 goals for us.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

What we really need is an early goal ( or two) against Albion.The difference then being that they need to come out and play and we have the type of set up that can take advantage of that. I,ll take any win but somebodys going to get a hiding soon. Team wise it looks like Moon is still struggling with a back problem, which is a shame, but we coped well enough last week without him so I,m not to worried.
I,d go with the same starting eleven as last week if they are all fit and well, but the subbies bench will have to change as Dyron I believe is suspended. Who is likley to replace him?????Who,s still out injured and for how long????????.As for what the others are doing, I totally agree with Temple.4.45pm is the time to think about them...After we have (hopefully) taken care of our business.....,MON THE SAINTEES

[Scobby_SJFC]

Home win surely!!! mind you we've said that on the last two occasions before we have played them!!
Id take any win, but would be nice too get 3 or 4!!

I also think there will be at least 8,000 people with a rush of people taking advantage of saving £2!!!

[Cagey]

Stuart Dougal started the Motherwell-Hearts game....he then injured himself and was replaced by Craig Thomson....so its Thomson for Saturday ...Sorree !!

Sorry,Ceefax wrong as usual.

This forum is dead by the way, Is everyone on holiday ?.

Hope Saints do the business tomorrow & they are now a McInnes team that go for it & not a Coyle team that go out & think they should beat a bottom of the league team & don`t turn up.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Any chance the game could be off tomorrow?? weather here is awful!!!

[MUZZ]

Any chance the game could be off tomorrow?? weather here is awful!!!

hope not. saturday with no soccer is shit

[Nairn Saint]

No mention of any pitch inspection so here's hoping Saints can give Stirling Albion a real spanking this afternoon!

[Broggy Man]

It says on the official site pitch is heavy but no inspection

[ancientsaint]

No mention of any pitch inspection so here's hoping Saints can give Stirling Albion a real spanking this afternoon!

According to club website...game goes ahead with NO pitch inspection.....UNLESS it rains ,

[garydavidson]

hope not. saturday with no soccer is shit

football, dont let the americans get their way

not sure about this game they know how to stop us playing and they are due a win against us i just hope that it does not happen this season.

[saint_markperth]

Lets just hope the scoreboard can be cleared from the pitch intime

[williamwonka]

a win (touch wood)

Clyde and dundee to win also. this will be the table after sat. looks better and better

Pts
Dundee 46
Hamilton 45
St.Johnstone 38
WHy do you want dundee to win? Seriously shouldn't be concerned about whos behind us if we are challenging for the title. Hopefully dundee get beat and there is a hope saints can snatch 2nd place in the next few weeks

[Dunfermline Saint]

Same first xi as last week with Kevin Moon and Bobby Barr replacing Daal and McInnes on the bench.

Clyde 1-0 up on Hamilton already, which is nice.

[Dunfermline Saint]

1-0 Andy Jackson! 5 mins

[Nairn Saint]

Same first xi as last week with Kevin Moon and Bobby Barr replacing Daal and McInnes on the bench.

Clyde 1-0 up on Hamilton already, which is nice.

Very nice indeed! :***:

[Nairn Saint]

Jacko!!!!

[stanley saint]

scumde 1 up ... mcmenamin

[Dunfermline Saint]

Clyde 2-0 Hamilton

[Nairn Saint]

Clyde 2-0 Hamilton

Nicer by the minute. Mensing has turned them around!

[stanley saint]

has the bubble burst

[thewhorule2002]

Dare I say that hamilton are doing a Gr£tna and all we have to worry about is catching the scum?

[Dunfermline Saint]

Hamilton have got one back. Offiong in 43 mins

[thewhorule2002]

Dare I say that hamilton are doing a Gr£tna and all we have to worry about is catching the scum?

bugger, shouldnt have said anything! 2-1 to clyde now.

[Dunfermline Saint]

From official site;

A 5th minute goal from Andy Jackson has given Saints a 1-0 lead over Stirling Albion at half-time.

Saints have dominated the first half but a sea of red shirts has meant that Saints are having to try and pick their way through to goal.

[Dunfermline Saint]

Good to see Alan Main got a mention on Soccer Saturday about today being his 300th appearance for Saints.

[Dunfermline Saint]

1-1 Aitken

[Coltrane]

Sh*t

[lethamsaintee]

Accies now 2-2

[Dunfermline Saint]

QOS equalise!

[stanley saint]

what are we playing at ....

[lethamsaintee]

3-1 Queens apparently

[Dunfermline Saint]

Dundee 1 Qos 2

3-1 now!

[lethamsaintee]

Come onto **** Saints this could be our chance!

[Dunfermline Saint]

YAAS Mooner!!!!

[Johnstoun]

Oh come on Clyde!

[blueheaven]

That could turn out to be a helluva big goal for us. Who'd have thought a year ago that Moon and Jackson would turn into a driving force in out first team? Mon the Saints!

[Dunfermline Saint]

Hamilton winning 3-2 offiong again

[thewhorule2002]

Yesss!!! Come on Clyde!

This could be a big weekend for us!

[lethamsaintee]

3-2 Accies

[Nairn Saint]

Come on Saints and Clyde!

[Johnstoun]

Clyde missed a penner!

Full time, Accies win.

[Johnstoun]

Saints win!

[Johnstoun]

3-2 Queens McMenamin for Dundee

[MUZZ]

not brilliant but a vital win. mcinnes's subs were tactically superb today. mon the mooner! get it up ye dundee!

[Tranmere Saintee]

What was up with Irvine?

The doc immediately had his shirt up and was prodding at his side!!

[Jamie_Beatson]

Strange game today I thought. In the first half we had tons and tons of possession and at times played some lovely football, but the sheer volume of red shirts kept us from adding to our lead.

Stirling didn't have a decent chance up until their goal which I seem to remember was their first shot on target?

Liam Craig had a great game today - he looked really up for it and was instrumental in our first goal. He drove through the midfield with the ball taking on defenders before slipping a nice through ball to Jackson. He lookde like he had taken it a little too wide of the goal before smashing a fantastic low drive across the keeper and in off the post.

Jackson had our other best chance of the half when he dug out a volley eight yards out that unfortunately was straight at the keeper.

Stirling equalised early in the second half. They got a free kick on the bye-line and it was cut back a man who had dropped off his defender. His shot went through a ruck of players and may have taken a slight touch before hit hit the net.

Our winner came from Mooner who drove through the centre of the park and instead of laying it off to Milne hit a left footed shot that the keeper could only touch into the net.

One note that isn't to do with the game - that steward at the top of the East Stand is a complete fanny. At one stage she told off a kid for "walking too fast" and told another one - no more than eight years old - to hurry up and find a seat. Then when we were pressing for a winner and all the news about Hamilton and Dundee being behind was coming through and everyone was singing and getting behind the team she was going mental at people to sit down. Eventually a chorus of "stand up just to piss her off" went up. If she had just kept her trap shut everyone would have sat down of their own accord much quicker!

[101 Saint]

What a great day at the fitba! Scotland's finest goal-machine at his very best (despite his Dundonian Barber), Mooner sticking two fingers up to Cameron (and Del) with the perfect response to our latest midfield capture, seven minutes of football hedonism at Dens, all accompnaied by the most passionate home fans all year. Jings, we even started to sign whilst the Reds were celebrating their equaliser. Great stuff.

The league will evade us, again, but a win at Dingwall might just see us back at Hampden. Great attendance today, especially with the lack of Bino's, so hats off to the board.

No complaints on a Saturday night?! Oh aye, apart from the Clyde missed penalty!

Enjoy tonight, Saintees.

[101 Saint]

PS Best shout this year at McD, "10 yards is a long enough pass for you, Rusty!" Here, here

[Radford 72]

Stirling equalised early in the second half. They got a free kick on the bye-line and it was cut back a man who had dropped off his defender. His shot went through a ruck of players and may have taken a slight touch before hit hit the net.
Criminal bit of defending from Anderson that led to the goal when he tried to shepard the ball out on a heavy pitch instead of keeping things simple. Individual errors have cost us so badly in the past but thankfully Mooner's left peg saved our blushes as we didn't force Hogarth into nearly enough action throughout.

Points win prizes though and we're getting to the stage of the season again where performances are secondary. I still think it's a massive ask for us but the top two certainly don't like unbeatable. We'll still need to win the vast, vast majority of our remaining games though.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

To win the league you have to win when your not at your best, and thats what we did today.Loads of good passing and movement in the middle of the park , but not much in the way of end product in the final 3rd of the pitch.
I really think Albion are a shit, spoiling team and I,m so pleased we dug that win out. Maybe they will do us some favours against Scumdee and Hamilton.

Full marks to Del for the changes he made, which won us the game.

Message for Dundee.....We're coming to get you!!!!!!

[garydavidson]

think its all been said really dire game today the worst i have seen the pitch looking but that can not be helped with all the rain.

anderson should be disappointed for his error that gave them a goal and irvine did not seem to have a good one at all got skinned a lot by their winger.

as has been said though its the score that counts and thankfully we did it first time this season we have looked like beating them, would like to see a stat for the possession we had today.

Irvine seemed to be having trouble with something around his upper hip from what i saw from the main stand.

john hughes will have been happy with what he saw of craig from the stand.

[+Super Trooper+]

excellent three points today and the gap to scumdee is reducing all the time :) mon the saints

[Cagey]

Clyde losing a 2 goal lead spoiled the day a bit & this was a game that we would have drawn if Coyle was still here .

McInness has to take the credit for making the subs so early in the game.Moon & Davie made the difference because Cameron & Peaso were doing nothing. Another game when Peaso & Sheerin thought they would have a day off although Sheerin did get in position at right back to cover Irvine who was out of position so he can`t be accused of not trying.

We controlled the game in the first half but we should be able to kill of teams when we are on top.In another game Ando would have kicked the ball out for a throw rather than trying to let the ball run out but I think they thought the game was won & were fannying around.

[templeofsaints]

Thought we totally dominated the game against a Stirling side that defended well (though Ellis was good for them). Jacko's goal was excellent but only rounded off a great run from Craig who was outstanding. As for the Mooner - even I thought he was set to pass for Savo when he let that shot rip.

Didn't think there was a weak link in the team - Stanic and Irvine took knocks and Ando was perhaps at fault for conceding the freekick for their goal (though the marking on Aitken at the freekick was very poor) but we knocked the ball about well and looked confident for most of the game.

Keep that up and we'll be fine for a good challenge.

[Saintkev]

Lets just hope the scoreboard can be cleared from the pitch intime

Eh?:?

[Saintkev]

Saints did enough today but big plus goes to Del McInnes, for some fantastic substitutions. He won us the game today. Saints played well enough and I always kind of knew we would win...

I don't agree with Mooner putting two fingers up at that Cameron pish. He has not trained a lot this week, Cameron has... but glad to see Saints fans not letting me down... I knew there would be complaints within a month... 8 days though... good work:roll:

The choir though... great work... totally up for it and sounded pretty good from the Main Stand... you could see it lifting the players, let's keep it going... and you never know.

[lampshade]

well done the saints,mooner has to play from the start next week.

[saint_markperth]

Eh?:?

Did you not see the fact that the top part of it was missing and not all off it was working

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

The clock was not working last week either.....:( ..Hope it,s under warranty..

[Saintkev]

Did you not see the fact that the top part of it was missing and not all off it was working

I noticed the clock wasn't working but I assumed that was down to me being in the Main Stand and the general conspiracy for me not to know when a game should finish!!

Did it blow down in the wind?

[slf]

braw

whose next

[Saintkev]

braw

whose next

How was your sausage roll son?

[Kevin]

I noticed the clock wasn't working but I assumed that was down to me being in the Main Stand and the general conspiracy for me not to know when a game should finish!!

Did it blow down in the wind?

Yes, it works on a wireless link and the high winds blew some of the advertising down onto the wireless box on the scoreboard and took out the right hand side so we do not have either of the clocks nor the scores. Back to manual updating and the occasional shout-out :D

[Ray Blair]

Didnt think the shout outs yesterday were allowed?But who cares they did the trick!!!!!!

[HertsSaintee]

Yes, it works on a wireless link and the high winds blew some of the advertising down onto the wireless box on the scoreboard and took out the right hand side so we do not have either of the clocks nor the scores. Back to manual updating and the occasional shout-out :D

Notice you didn't "shout-out" the fact that Accies had taken the lead against Clyde, Kevin. Good...erm...shout.

[Ronaldo]

GOAL!!!

Great goal by Mooner to win!

I've just looked at Hamilton's next four games, there' no way they'll get maximum points there -

Hamilton vs Dunfermline
St Johnstone vs Hamilton
Hamilton vs Livingston
Queen of Sth vs Hamilton

[Scobby_SJFC]

game against QOTS is a must win as is the hamilton game the week after, win them and we're back in the mix!!!

[garydavidson]

Didnt think the shout outs yesterday were allowed?But who cares they did the trick!!!!!!

damn right it did all credit to the big man.

last time scores got the crowd going like that was the eventual painful last game last season. it felt much better this time until hamilton won.

[saint in exile]

Up until then the atmosphere was pathetic tbh.Was much better after the scores were announced-well done that man!
Oh and Peaso really is shite at the moment,he`s so slow and predictable.Think Weatherston is a better option.When he and Moon came on we looked a much improved team.He`s got great pace and is exciting to watch especially on the break

[St Mikey]

Annoyed that Forsyth wasn't red carded for hauling back Weatherston when clear through on goal.

Poor Ref'n

[101 Saint]

Strange that we finish so many games with a team that most of us want to see starting games.

[101 Saint]

[QUOTE=Saintkev;120918]
I don't agree with Mooner putting two fingers up at that Cameron pish. He has not trained a lot this week, Cameron has... but glad to see Saints fans not letting me down... I knew there would be complaints within a month... 8 days though... good work:roll: [QUOTE]

Not so much complaining about Cameron as disappointed by Del. Cameron played very poorly on Saturday - but I admit I didn't see him against Dunfermline and you did.

Firstly, I have been very public in criticising 4-3-3 and I am intrugued to hear people saying we are left sided when we have Peaso on the left?!

For me, if we accept that Del is gonna stick 4-3-3; our three best midfield players are Moon, Peanut and Craig. If you play them, you have to play Moon on the right - no choice to make there. Peanut and Craig are similar in that neither are out and out wingers but are more comfortable on the left, so one goes left and one goes centre.

Cameron was chosen over Moon and came off for Moon. Peanut could have been sacrificed - given his age, Cameron should be the fitter of the two, we're talking raw fitness here not match sharpness. To me, if there was any doubt that Mooner would last 90 mins, start him and replace when expired with Cameron.

The whole thing provokes bigger questions, what is Cameron's role and what was the rationale behind his signing? It looks certain the Del will now stick 4-3-3 and Hardie is due back soonish. MMM could be played wide left but that still leaves Cameron as either a replacement for Moon (surely not?), Peanut (short-term?) or Craig (no contract on offer?).

Craig Levein spoke recently of how he almost signed Buchanan from Cowdenbeath last year but decided to wait and see how he played in Division One; perhaps he is doing the same with Moon and we are resigned to losing him and thus we're looking at Cameron as a replacement? But Millar is on his way so he would "replace" Moon. Further, from the way BB played against Montrose in the reserve clash (December?) he is a better option than Cameron, at least he is our player. A rough diamond, but a diamond never-the-less.

Bear in mind that Jacko started (and scored) against Raith only because of the injury to Big-Mac-Breen. I think Del's judgement is dubious, I do not think it is a personality clash.

One last story. A young player in our team spoke (very privately) of his dismay when OC signed a journeyman player who pushed the youngster further down the pecking order. He considered leaving Saints and became despondent with Club and Manager. Nobody at the club would be pleased to swap Lilley for Jacko nowadays.

I hope we don't lose Kevin Moon in the belief that Cameron is a better prospect. Mooner is a Saintee, Cameron is not. He deserves far better than he's been given thus far.

[Saintkev]

In what way has Derek McInnes treated Mooner unfairly?

He never started against Stirling as he hadn't trained... if he'd had started and went off early goosed, you'd have been complaining then too.

Cameron must be a decent player, he's an international, we have not seen the best of him, but after just seeing one game, you are already writing him off.

Mooner is a Saintee, but not any more so than me, and if McInnes gave me a game in front of Cameron, I'd hope you'd be livid!

[Cagey]

Was the ginge keeper a good player & how many under 19 internationals go on to be big time players so just because you play for Scotland at any level does not make you a good player.
A lot of young guys peak early & fall away for many reasons.

[Scobby_SJFC]

I have to side with Kev here, Cameron will be a good player and I think he is still a little rusty just like Rocco was when he joined, looks to be a good passer

[101 Saint]

In what way has Derek McInnes treated Mooner unfairly?
Dropping him for the Scum game and playing Cameron from the start on Sat
He never started against Stirling as he hadn't trained... if he'd had started and went off early goosed, you'd have been complaining then too.
Not at all. I'm a firm believer in starting talent over fitness. Mooner got about 30 mins and didn't look goosed at the final whistle
Cameron must be a decent player, he's an international, we have not seen the best of him, but after just seeing one game, you are already writing him off.
I said he was very poor in the one game I've seen. He may have talent, but we are not a Dundee United finishing school. To my mind we don't know the full potential of either Moon or Cameron, but Moon should get the nod because of his versatility and liklihood to remain a Saintee. Also, Jacko wasn't good enough for Scotland, so let's not read too much into U21 caps

Mooner is a Saintee, but not any more so than me, and if McInnes gave me a game in front of Cameron, I'd hope you'd be livid![/QUOTE]
Saintee as in contracted to Saints and a fan

I'm not anti-Cameron, just worried and concerned by Del's judgement. Cameron might well be a good player, even a great player, but he has proven nothing to the majoirty of Saints fans yet and I see no advantage in playing him over Mooner, who has shown all of us glimpses of talent which could help us to earn promotion next season. Even from the "board dinnae want promotion" point of view, why not sign/play Moon and cash in on him?

[Chuck Norris]

In what way has Derek McInnes treated Mooner unfairly?

He never started against Stirling as he hadn't trained... if he'd had started and went off early goosed, you'd have been complaining then too.

Cameron must be a decent player, he's an international, we have not seen the best of him, but after just seeing one game, you are already writing him off.

Mooner is a Saintee, but not any more so than me, and if McInnes gave me a game in front of Cameron, I'd hope you'd be livid!
You're getting very mature in your old age Kev, hard to argue with any of that...

[Saintkev]

1 Dropping him for the Scum game and playing Cameron from the start on Sat

2 Not at all. I'm a firm believer in starting talent over fitness. Mooner got about 30 mins and didn't look goosed at the final whistle

3 I said he was very poor in the one game I've seen. He may have talent, but we are not a Dundee United finishing school. To my mind we don't know the full potential of either Moon or Cameron, but Moon should get the nod because of his versatility and liklihood to remain a Saintee. Also, Jacko wasn't good enough for Scotland, so let's not read too much into U21 caps

4 Saintee as in contracted to Saints and a fan

5 I'm not anti-Cameron, just worried and concerned by Del's judgement. Cameron might well be a good player, even a great player, but he has proven nothing to the majoirty of Saints fans yet and I see no advantage in playing him over Mooner, who has shown all of us glimpses of talent which could help us to earn promotion next season. Even from the "board dinnae want promotion" point of view, why not sign/play Moon and cash in on him?

1 So a young inexperienced boy has missed out on one game when fit, in a period when Mcinnes is still trying things out... doesn't seem that unfair to me.

2 So if Mooner started, pulled up after 5 minutes, you would have nothing to say... aye right!! Then Cameron came on as his substitute and played as he did we'd have been stuck with him. No qualms from me on the way McInnes handled this... nobody can deny he won us that game, out first win v Stirling Albion this season!

3 One game... decision on him as a player... terrible attitude! McInnes has taken on another midfielder so that he doesn't need to play himself, fair play. If we did not sign a midfielder, we would be relying on Moon (injury prone) and Barr (untested) along with Sheerin and Craig. If Dyron Daal was a Saintee through and through should we have played him before Kenny Deuchar? No chance!

4 Yeah, if Coyle signed me in a moment of madness, then McInnes inherited me. I would be a massive Saintee and contracted and not many would put more effort than me... but at the end of the day, every professional footballer would be a better option than me!!

5 He has two games (one to you) yet you accuse him of not proving anything... Rocco Quinn took a few games to bed in! I'm sure that McInnes and the board are or will be signing up Mooner longer term.

You're getting very mature in your old age Kev, hard to argue with any of that...

Yer arse:wink:

[101 Saint]

1 So a young inexperienced boy has missed out on one game when fit, in a period when Mcinnes is still trying things out... doesn't seem that unfair to me.
He was universally MOM and then dropped!

2 So if Mooner started, pulled up after 5 minutes, you would have nothing to say... aye right!! Then Cameron came on as his substitute and played as he did we'd have been stuck with him. No qualms from me on the way McInnes handled this... nobody can deny he won us that game, out first win v Stirling Albion this season!
Why not play him until he is pooped then sub him? We obviously disagree on this. My opinion is you don’t know how long a player will last, so start with him (if he’s talented enough for the first XI) and sub him when necessary.
3 One game... decision on him as a player... terrible attitude! I have stated that he played poorly in the game. I have not said he is a crap player. McInnes has taken on another midfielder so that he doesn't need to play himself, fair play. If we did not sign a midfielder, we would be relying on Moon (injury prone) and Barr (untested) along with Sheerin and Craig. and Hardie and McCluskey. If Dyron Daal was a Saintee through and through should we have played him before Kenny Deuchar? No chance! Aye, but for a few weeks we thought we had a realistic chance of landing Deuchar. Also, the league was a reality at the start of Docs loan.

4 Yeah, if Coyle signed me in a moment of madness, then McInnes inherited me. I would be a massive Saintee and contracted and not many would put more effort than me... but at the end of the day, every professional footballer would be a better option than me!!
We are discussing one of our best players being dropped for DUFC trainee. Not a crap fringe player being replaced by a huge talent.
5 He has two games (one to you) yet you accuse him of not proving anything... Rocco Quinn took a few games to bed in! I'm sure that McInnes and the board are or will be signing up Mooner longer term.
Mooner has proved enough to stay in the first XI. What has Del seen in Cameron (in training or whilst at Tanndump) to think he is CURRENTLY better than wee Kev? Had he been brought in to replace Peanut/been a likely long-term Saintee, I’d be happy enough; but I don’t see that happening.

Mooner’s contract extension should have been finalised/announced before now. I don’t think we have a former who doesn’t think he’s worthy of new contract and we will face an ever-increasing battle to retain him if we are fighting for the title next year.

In summary; Mooner is good with great potential, Cameron may be good and may have great potential. Mooner, I believe, wants to remain a Saint for the next wee while; Cameron, I believe, wants to remain a DUFC player. Mooner should start ahead of any other midfielder on our books on present form.

[Kevin]

So, you are in love with Mooner then 101?? :***: :roll:

[101 Saint]

So, you are in love with Mooner then 101?? :***: :roll:

Nah, I just love seeing him pleasure so many people with one ball. Oh er missus