Dundee vs. Saints 01/03/08

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Well it,s Thursday all ready and the weekend is looming.Saints seem to have a few injury worries as well as the suspensions of Craig and Ando..On the signing of Morris, I have no idea whatsoever if it,s good or not and only time will tell, but as always I back the gaffers judgement..Team wise again I, m a bit unsure of who is unfit and who's not..Really looking forward to this one and I would expect Saints to take a very good support through to Dens..Who's all going , who,s not , and why??.Like every game now, we have to win.It,s going to be tough but, we do seem to play better when our backs are up against the wall.All I want is a good Saints performance and if we win then great, as long as we make the effort, thats all we can really ask...Saints to win with the odd goal in five.......


Come on you Saints

[slf]

goin on the choo choo

[Radford 72]

Despite the injury concerns, I think the only changes will be the enforced ones to accomodate the supsensions of Craig and Ando.

Main

Irvine - Rutkiewicz - McManus - Stanic

Quinn - Moon - Sheerin

Jackson - Milne - MacDonald

Subbies: Tucuth, James, Morris, Weatherston, McBreen.

Still not given up hope of Barry Wilson swelling the numbers, in which case McBreen might not be required, or Weatherston will miss out.

Massive game required from Rocco. Moon will put himself about but that isn't in Sheerin's make up, so Rocco needs offer the same sort of work rate than Liam Craig would have.

This guy Antoine-Curier seems to be doing the business for them and as the game nears, I get less confident. I'm happier that if we take the lead for the sixth time in a row there that we have a better chance of holding on but they showed a very Saints like fighting attitude to come back and win in November.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a crowd pushing 7,000. We should take more through than we have since we came down. I think it was just shy of 1,600 the first time and would hope for more than that.

[monkfish]

Wouldn't be surprised to see a crowd pushing 7,000. We should take more through than we have since we came down. I think it was just shy of 1,600 the first time and would hope for more than that.

I'd hope so, but I know a few part timers (not naming names but sheerlambrule) that normally go to the Dundee games but are saving it for the cup game, so might not beat that.

[thewhorule2002]

Main

Irvine Rutkiewicz McManus Stanic

Quinn Moon Sheerin

Jackson Milne MacDonald

Agree that will be the starting line up but I think morris and mcbreen will play a part in the game if they dont start.

Must win game for saints if we want to keep the faith

[Dundeederryboy]

Cant wait till saturday. Cant see us losing TBH, not at home. Gonna go for a 2-1 win to the mighty Dees with Curier and Mcmenamin scoring either side of Milne equaliser

[Stamford Saintee]

Cant see us losing TBH

I can! :D

[MUZZ]

1-0 us.

nervy game, 2 teams too scared too lose. but we need a win and i think we'll scrape it just.

hope jody gets a game at some point

[Dundeederryboy]

A lot of saints fans seem to think we lack bottle to win this game as its that big. We have performed well in most big games this season and have shown fantastic desire and spirit to get through games when playing poor and still win. We are firing goals in for fun the now and im sure we will score having only failed to score once at home this season - and thats when our 2 top scorers were injured.

[garydavidson]

big big game will decide if we can get second place or not I would say.

hard to predict the score but the fact they scored six against Stirling will mean their fans expect them to score as has been demonstrated by the last poster.

going to be hard for us with the injuries and suspensions. will be a hard day watching the scores come up.

[saint in exile]

Main

Irvine Rutkiewicz McManus Stanic

Quinn Moon Sheerin

Jackson Milne MacDonald

Agree that will be the starting line up but I think morris and mcbreen will play a part in the game if they dont start.

Must win game for saints if we want to keep the faith

Think that will be near enough the team.Bit worried about McManus at the back and feel the midfield lacks spirit and aggression,with a distinct lack of leadership.Can`t see us winning this i`m afraid,a draw at best,HTF i`m wrong

[herdo]

Agree with saint in exile about lack of aggression in midfield. for that reason i would play Morris in place of sheerin. sheerin hasn't done it for me this season, as good as he was last season. i would also like to see peaso given a rest as he has been poor. he lacks the final ball to be playing on the left hand side. i think we are really going to miss liam craig on saturday, i've been impressed with his heart and determination in the past few weeks.

[R.B.B:- Adz]

Injuries/suspensions obviously a worry but we have a decent enough squad to cope. Would love us to be full strength and turn them over at Dens but i think it will be a closer affair, 2-1 saints, last minute mcbreen header. Hope we have a big noisy support on saturday, we saw how it helped in challenge cup final. Six of us making the short trip from "hulltoon" territory two of which are dundee united fans coming to cheer on the troops! We'll be wearing the good old yellow and blue on saturday, yaaaas!!!! YELLOW ARMY!

[Dev]

What are the prices for this? The Dundee site says adults £16 and concessions £8, but what counts as a concession?

I'm extremely low on cash at the moment!

[dee4life]

What are the prices for this? The Dundee site says adults £16 and concessions £8, but what counts as a concession?

I'm extremely low on cash at the moment!

Oap,s students and under 16,s I think(maybe u 18,s but maybe best checking if it applies to you.).

As for the game our last 3 performances have brought 3 wins against last week in the 2nd half was probably the best we have played for months.I feel we have a solid enough defence,best midfield in the league and now 2 strikers capable of scoring goals,which we lacked earlier in the season.I dont see us losing especially at home and the way we are playing.I go 3-1 dundee.I,m the good looking one in the maltman if anyone wants to have a beer(hospitality or what!)

[Tranmere Saintee]

I,m the good looking one in the maltman if anyone wants to have a beer(hospitality or what!)

Glad to see you still have a good sense of humour:wink: :***:

Just hope you are watering down your beer with tears at 5pm tomorrow:D

[dee4life]

Glad to see you still have a good sense of humour:wink: :***:

Just hope you are watering down your beer with tears at 5pm tomorrow:D

Nice one!I doubt it but you never know.

[Noose76]

Dee4Life, Frank isnt going to the game anymore but i'll be in The Maltman. Seeing how you class yourself as handsome, should I just look for the male with more than 4 teeth?

[dee4life]

Dee4Life, Frank isnt going to the game anymore but i'll be in The Maltman. Seeing how you class yourself as handsome, should I just look for the male with more than 4 teeth?

4 teeth,what do you think I,m some kind oh film star.You know the pub,its no big it shouldna be hard to spot your tweed jaikit!seriously will keep be in the bar and will keep an eye out and have a beer.

[Calypso Kid]

4 teeth,what do you think I,m some kind oh film star.You know the pub,its no big it shouldna be hard to spot your tweed jaikit!seriously will keep be in the bar and will keep an eye out and have a beer.

Whats wrong with tweed jaikets like?

[Scobby_SJFC]

Gutted am missing this one as its my mate from Uni's 21st and being a Killie fan hes insisted in going to the Killie St Mirren game on Sat

So i'll be doing the scouting mission for next saturday!!

[St Mikey]

Gutted am missing this one as its my mate from Uni's 21st and being a Killie fan hes insisted in going to the Killie St Mirren game on Sat

So i'll be doing the scouting mission for next saturday!!


Lame excuse! Tell him Killie are pish and will just get beaten again. ***

Otherwise for awbdy else,

We need support and a massive one at that to make Dens shake. I reckon it could be near 8,000 if people just got off their arse and get to the game. Its only 25mins down the road for goodness sake!

Must Win, Must Support our team for this.

MON THE YELLOWS

[dee4life]

Lame excuse! Tell him Killie are pish and will just get beaten again. ***

Otherwise for awbdy else,

We need support and a massive one at that to make Dens shake. I reckon it could be near 8,000 if people just got off their arse and get to the game. Its only 25mins down the road for goodness sake!

Must Win, Must Support our team for this.

MON THE YELLOWS

Wee bit optomistic there I think,will be around 4500 dees and your usual 1000-1500 so you dothe maths.

[Broggy Man]

I dont feel confident about this and have actualy conceded to my Dundee loving mate at work this will mark the end of our league campaign if infact it was still alive. The loans while immpresive I think have came to late to make any difference and I just pray to that blue god that im wrong..

[Noose76]

It's pishing it with ice rain in Dundee the now, and I've got to walk about a mile home! raggin

[St Mikey]

Wee bit optomistic there I think,will be around 4500 dees and your usual 1000-1500 so you dothe maths.


Cmon Dee - you guys should be getting bout 5500 home fans for this, its surely more important for you guys to get closer to Hamilton if QoS do us both a favour on saturday.

your 5500 and we have the backing to take bout 2000 if folk would get off their butts to the game instead o going shopping with the mrs!! ***

Where's "friendly" for a beer before the game?

[dee4life]

Cmon Dee - you guys should be getting bout 5500 home fans for this, its surely more important for you guys to get closer to Hamilton if QoS do us both a favour on saturday.

your 5500 and we have the backing to take bout 2000 if folk would get off their butts to the game instead o going shopping with the mrs!! ***

Where's "friendly" for a beer before the game?

Ok mikey maybe 5000 dees at a push(big cup game next week as well) so would be good if you had 2000 but suppose depends on the weather.Loads of pubs near the ground you get no problems in any.I drink in the maltman which is a good boozer.

[Ronaldo]

Ok mikey maybe 5000 dees at a push(big cup game next week as well) so would be good if you had 2000 but suppose depends on the weather.Loads of pubs near the ground you get no problems in any.I drink in the maltman which is a good boozer.
The Maltman and the Cleppy Bar are good. Our squad is down to the bones so if we win then we deserve to be in the race. By the way Dee4Life do you have any famous people who support you because I need names for my after-match rant in the event of us winning of "Your boys took a hell of a beating ...... "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs

Step up to the plate and HAVE A GO SAINTS!

[TheBigCheese]

I need names for my after-match rant in the event of us winning of "Your boys took a hell of a beating ...... "

Jean Rattray, The Lucky White Heather Woman, Sadam Husain, Satan...

[Ronaldo]

Jean Rattray, The Lucky White Heather Woman, Sadam Husain, Satan...
... The Marr Brothers, that Mafia guy in Italy/Yugoslavia, Jim Spence (United seemingly), Adolf "I want a Pe" Hitler,

[Finners]

I think our support will be quite a bit bigger than average there - should be a good game. I have a few extra mates coming with me - should be fun.. I hope

[wee lee #1]

they`ll be a good support tommorow not sure 8000 though :rolleyes: :rolleyes:.

every1 knows this is a must win game for both teams so hopefully it will be a good attacking game with both teams playing the best they can (saints better than scumdee though) to make a good advert for first division football.

2-1 saints

sheerin 90th minute penalty to win it

yellow army

[Calypso Kid]

Arkan, Mussolini, General Franco, Chemical Ali...shall i go on?

[Ronaldo]

Arkan, Mussolini, General Franco, Chemical Ali...shall i go on?
General (Jam, Jute & Journalis) Pino-chet.

Apologies to Jim Spence, a fine Dundee man.

Two forum pages so far on a Dundee game making it a record low. Timid when you think it's a derby and will decide our season. Low confidence maybe due to an injury hit squad, or maybe the signings of Antoine-Curier and McMenamin for the Dee figure. I don't give a shit if their favourites at the bookies we have to have a go and hope for the best.

If they are ever ahead during the game take heart because we are best club in the division for coming back from being in a losing position - http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/SCO/D1/ptsgain.html

[Perth-Saint]

Come on ye Saints.

Heart says 2-1 Saints, head says 1-1. Time to really have a crack at them.

[Finners]

Two forum pages so far on a Dundee game making it a record low. Timid when you think it's a derby and will decide our season.

Alot of talk has been done elsewhere Ronaldo (e.g. my dens park thread etc.)- I wouldnae worry about it, we're all just excited as you!! <hug>

[Lost Son of Fairbairn]

General (Jam, Jute & Journalis) Pino-chet.

Apologies to Jim Spence, a fine Dundee man.

Two forum pages so far on a Dundee game making it a record low. Timid when you think it's a derby and will decide our season. Low confidence maybe due to an injury hit squad, or maybe the signings of Antoine-Curier and McMenamin for the Dee figure. I don't give a shit if their favourites at the bookies we have to have a go and hope for the best.

If they are ever ahead during the game take heart because we are best club in the division for coming back from being in a losing position - http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/SCO/D1/ptsgain.html

Aaah, the 3 "J"s Dundee is so famous for ....... I think the 3 "J"s now are Jakies, Junkies and Jobless!

[Jings]

Aaah, the 3 "J"s Dundee is so famous for ....... I think the 3 "J"s now are Jakies, Junkies and Jobless!

You forgot "jobbies" :D

[Broggy Man]

Well the sun is shining in Dundee and the wind is dying away so get your arses down here and lets try to lift our make shift team who well maybe know each others name but that will be about it

[Cagey]

Here`s hoping for a good result. Happy to see Del is putting in the effort to make sure we have a team for the biggest match of the season so far.
Can`t see him starting any of the new signings apart from maybe Morris if Quinn is not fit. The other 2 just joined yesterday so they will not have a clue they way we play. They may be important for us later in the game though.

Come on Saints ,keep us interested for another couple of weeks & maybe up `til the 3rd minute of injury time in the last game of the season.

[saint in exile]

Can see Morris starting,could give us the boost we need.Good to see Dels not given up the fight with the lastest signings.Lets get right behind the team and dare i say it KEEP THE FAITH!

[dee4life]

The Maltman and the Cleppy Bar are good. Our squad is down to the bones so if we win then we deserve to be in the race. By the way Dee4Life do you have any famous people who support you because I need names for my after-match rant in the event of us winning of "Your boys took a hell of a beating ...... "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs

Step up to the plate and HAVE A GO SAINTS!

No really that famous but of the top of my head,actor brian cox,journalist patrick barclay,kieran fae the view and 2 fae corrie some young bloke and the boy who played tommy are all dees.

[MUZZ]

buzzin

[Calypso Kid]

Will be interesting to see how Wilson fits into our formation. I think he normally played wide in a midfield 4.

[inex]

Central defence seems dodgy to me from here today, lets hope the boys can put a few in the back of Dundees net. Such a huge game, wish I could be there, go Saints!

[soulfulsaint]

Facsinating facts - whoever scores first for Saints today will have scored our 150th league goal against Dundee - C'mon Savo.

Good luck Saints

[Nairn Saint]

Any kind of win today! Make or break for our season.

[TheBigCheese]

Main, Stanic, Rusty, McManus, Irvine, Sheerin, Quinn, Lynch, Jackson, Milne, McDonald

Subs: Wilson, Weatherston, Moon, Morris, Cuthbert

[TheBigCheese]

1-0 Accies. Grady.

[perthsaint1884]

1-1 dobbies scored

[TheBigCheese]

Tosh gives Queens the lead. 'mon the ex-saints

[perthsaint1884]

Given to Dobbie!

[Willie Peat]

1-0 for Dundee

[StDuncM]

Curier.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Playing really badly by all accounts. Not one shot on goal for us in 45mins

[Gaz9274]

Jody Morris makes his debut 62mins

Let's hope he get's off to a flyer

[Coltrane]

Come on the Saints!!

[blueheaven]

According to the radio it's now 2-1 Dundee - Morris equalised, then McMenamin went straight up the other end and made it 2-1. Still seems to be 1-0 on all the websites though.

[saint in exile]

Morris scored 72 Dundee on 74 ,Bastards

[blueheaven]

2-2 - Jacko!

[dave mc]

2-2 jacko

[dave mc]

b@@@@rd too quick Blue

[slambrother]

Updated now. Almost makes it worse equalising then conceding within minutes.... come on saints!

[dave mc]

2-2 brother!1

[slambrother]

Get in there!!!!!!!!!!

[Moray Blue]

yessss - c'mon!

[saint in exile]

What a game,C`mon the Saints

[SingaporeSaint]

With Hamilton getting beat still a reasonable situation

[saint in exile]

Aye,i`d take a draw

[Moray Blue]

2-2 QOS & Hamilton

[saint in exile]

Hamilton equalise

[blueheaven]

3-2 Dundee - McMenamin.

[a monkey]

3-2 dundee according to the radio

[Mikey]

3-2 the scum, McMenamin

[Moray Blue]

b0llocks!

[saint in exile]

Jesus a bad couple of minutes

[Moray Blue]

has it finished yet?

[Broon]

The difference between champions and losers is the ability to score in the last few minutes to win a game. Dundee and Hamilton have the bottle and deserve to be ahead of Saints.

[Nairn Saint]

Big result and enough to kill us off!

[Broon]

Yes - we are finished. At least we have the cup to look forward to.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Time now to go away and make sure of a good start next year, and after next week play those that will or could be here next year

[Norsaint]

Yes build for next season now but don't forget we are still in the cup. A win V St Midden should help lift the spirits a bit.

[Dundeederryboy]

You guys deserved a draw based on 2nd half. Scotty Robertson going off changed the game in your favour and must say a fine header for your first. Luck favours the brave though, so obviously delighted. Chin up boys, you can still go to NDP and do us a favour this season.

BTW will Alan Main ever learn? Dont try and wind usup when you score! it always come back to bite you in the a###

[Finners]

Just got back from the game. (Lucky me lives in dundee)

1ST HALF - Truly awful, not helped by windy conditions. Main had a wayward kick but made up for it with a save. We had NO chances in the first half whatsoever. I actually thought we did well enough to go in 0-0 but then up stepped curier who decided to take at least 5 minutes celebrating in front of the derry give it all that. So 1-0 Half time and there was still a sense that we would have a better 2nd half, eg. del making subs, wind now in our favour.

2ND HALF - WOW but at the same time a huge resounding f*** off. The half started off equally if I remember right - Saints around the 60-70 mark deserved to take the lead. And then did with Morris - Cross in from the left hand side and Morris headed past Samson (who was well abused) even though he got a hand to it. Still celebrating they equalised with a header from McMenamin (I think it was a header anyway). I think most of us were now thinking that was it even with the fighting 2nd half spirit. Through ball and Jacko was onside with all the time in the world and poked it past Samson (GIRUY Samson you c***). Then glad to see a draw with hope deep down of maybe nicking a late goal - Main caught a long ball OUTSIDE his box and got booked for it but saved well from the resulting free kick. Didnt matter though because they got another free kick - swung in and identical to the other McMenamin goal. No thanks.......

P.S. I have an offer to get drunk with my only dundee supporting mates tonight - will I go highly unlikely now.

[Jamie_Beatson]

Saints were dreadful in the first half - I don't know if that was because of the wind but they just couldn't get the ball down to pass it at all. They did well to hold on til 40 minutes, with Dundee's set pieces extremely dangerous as the wind was allowing any well placed corner to cause the keeper all sorts of problem - the same was true in the second half when Samson almost walked over the line with the ball. Curier held the ball up facing away from goal, and turned well to get his shot away.

Unfortunately it took a nasty deflection away from Main and in to the net.
Completely different second half, with Wilson making a huge impact on the right. Saints were getting behind the Dundee back four now, and Savo should have done better when he got in on goal twice - once cutting back to the onrushing Jackson but only finding a defender, and another time tugging a shot well wide.

We eventually got level when Stanic lifted the ball in from the left to find Jody Morris, who buried a header with his first touch for Saints. Saints had been well on top so far in the second half, and probably just about deserved an equaliser. Unfortunately for us, McMenamin equalised when a nice free kick found him in space with Saints defenders absolutely nowhere.

We took the lead with a strange goal - MacDonald chipping over the Dundee defence and Jackson running on and getting a mishit finish on it (that's how it looked to me anyway - someone else thought he fresh aired it). He was yards past the defenders when he hit it, but I think he timed his run well and the Dundee defenders were absolutely static.

Looked like it would finish 2-2 - although Saints were still pushing on more than Dundee, and Barry Wilson blew a glorious chance when he couldn't get a decent volley away after he was teed up by Jackson. I reckon if it sat down six inches lower he would have connected better, but it just didn't come down quick enough and he fired wide.

Then in injury time a great ball came in from the Dundee left and McMenamin fired a good header straight in to the net. Hammer blow for Saints, and we must accept now it is all over for our title challenge. It would take an incredible run of results for us to get back now.

Dundee will win this league - they are a better side than Hamilton in my opinion, and Hamilton seem to be stuttering now. We showed some good fighting spirit today to come back twice, and on another day we could have snatched it.

Typical for Saints at Dens though - we just can't win there - and it is very rare for us to come away thinking we were well beaten by an infinitely better side. The games are always close - one day we will win one at Dens!

[THE REBEL SAINT]

totally gutted,we claw ourselfs back into the game after a dismal first half when we were totally under presure from dundee, to get the upper hand in the second half when we had the chance to finish them off when irvine and then wilson had clear chances to put the game beyond dundee !!:(:(

[Dennistoun Saint]

You guys deserved a draw based on 2nd half. Scotty Robertson going off changed the game in your favour and must say a fine header for your first. Luck favours the brave though, so obviously delighted. Chin up boys, you can still go to NDP and do us a favour this season.

BTW will Alan Main ever learn? Dont try and wind usup when you score! it always come back to bite you in the a###

Very gracious of you but in all honesty I reckon a draw would've been slightly more than we deserved.
First half was the worst we've played for a long long time.
The changes in the 2nd half did change the game slightly and yes, we showed a bit of spirit, but we were the poorer team over the whole game today.
We might have the most midfield players in the league but most of them are work-shy powderpuffs who seem to spend more time playing with their tackle than making one.
Morris' class shone through and he was one of the few that actually wanted the ball.
I genuinely hope Dundee win this league because there is no doubt they are a better side than Hamilton and, from our perspective, it should be an easier league for us with them out of it next season.
Let's forget that now and concentrate on beating those Paisley neds next week. The cup has our name on it!:wink:

[Ali91]

first half we were hopeless and we could have no complaints if dundee went in two or three up. second half we were the better team and had plenty chances. a draw would of been a fair result imo but defend like we did today and we can have no complaints about getting beat. great atmosphere but dissapointed that some people felt the need to boo when their boy got stretchered off.

[Finners]

I thought Irvine did either superb on occasions or just absolutely gash. Dont even get me started on how poor stanic was. Wilson and Morris did well when they came on, Savo did really well when he had the chance. I have to say I thought that we were called offside a few times when we were clearly on. Main - hmmmm, has got me thinking about wether he is that reliable keeper we all thought he was.

Can I just point out to people that say 'this season is over' it's not - we still have St.Mirren to play remember, another win and hampden will be for us.

[MUZZ]

better team won in the end, 1st half we were lucky to be only one down. again it was the subs/tactics that turned it around but in the end dundee did just enough to get the win.

hope dundee go on and win the league now. better for us in the long run to have accies in div 1 next season

[Ronaldo]

Alot of talk has been done elsewhere Ronaldo (e.g. my dens park thread etc.)- I wouldnae worry about it, we're all just excited as you!! <hug>
I hope that wasn't a gay hug Finners. :)

Well the league is over for this season but there are some reasons to be optimistic about the future with McInnes and the Board showing intent. I'm not really sad because I was always just living in hope. Dundee look as if they could do it now. I'm sure Stanic was still carrying an injury but in general I know we have defenders out at the moment but we really need to sort it out for the future.

[Rodgers]

achwel

1st half, did we turn up
2nd half, great effort but just didnt happen, yet again

[Finners]

I hope that wasn't a gay hug Finners. :)



No no.... An 'it's ok hug' if I remember right.....

[HertsSaintee]

Gutted to lose, particularly as it's the 2nd time this season Dundee have beaten us with literally the last kick of the ball, but Dundee over the piece probably didn't deserve not to win, even though the moral of the tale for Saints is that if you can't defend your goal at the crucial times you deserve to get beat. Thought Wilson and Morris changed the game in our favour 2nd half and gave us a forward momentum - we had been terrible up till that point. What is it about Saints and slow starts, both in the league as a whole and in individual games?? But after Jacko's goal, we didn't really put enough balls into the box to put the Dundee defence under pressure, who were really shaky by that time. Thought Wilson could have won if for us but dragged his shot wide, and we maybe even had a fair shout for a penalty when Savo was practically decapitated in the box.

Lets get in about the fakes next week. If we play like we did 2nd half today we have a good chance. Fair play to Dundee today though, they have that solid looking toughness about them that wins you this league.

[Dundeederryboy]

I think some of you are being a tad harsh on your team. Your midfield/defence were quite intelligent as they knew the wind would cause us problems 2nd half and played it high and long and to be fair our defence was all over the place at times. I think apart from us hitting the bar and the free kick near the end, our only 2nd half chances were the goals.

[Dev]

I think some of you are being a tad harsh on your team. Your midfield/defence were quite intelligent as they knew the wind would cause us problems 2nd half and played it high and long and to be fair our defence was all over the place at times. I think apart from us hitting the bar and the free kick near the end, our only 2nd half chances were the goals.

I would agree with what you're saying, but you could have been further ahead at the break.

It was cruel to lose in that manner at the death but we were disorganised in defence throughout the match and we only got a grip of midfield with half an hour left.

[dee4life]

Good win today 1st half played well and should,ve 2-3 up,2nd half you played better but think we deserved 3 points.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Good win today 1st half played well and should,ve 2-3 up,2nd half you played better but think we deserved 3 points.

we got busted...I don't think you'll win the league, but you just might. Well played by Dundee ( kills me to say, but you were the better team today) Great crowd, great Saints support..Bloody awful result( for us)Am Gutted:cry:

[dee4life]

Decent crowd at the game also nearly 6200,good effort from both sets of fans.

[Steve Maskrey]

I would've been delighted with a draw even though Dundee were there for the taking in the second half but a great goal finished us off. Thought Lynch was one of our better players in the first half, winning some good tackles and covering for Stanic.

Frustrated with Stanic's performance in the second half, put in a good cross for the equaliser but then gave away possession with a pointless pass into the middle, where there were no Saints players and lead to their second goal. Again, when we were on top, a simple lob would've sent Weatherston and Jacko clear of the Dundee defence but opted to play the ball into the crowded midfield.

Morris and Wilson mad a huge difference when they came on and their class showed. Shame that we only have Wilson and Lynch for a month.

The legend, Steve Maskrey was at the game today as a guest of the Business Club. A good bit older now but am sure he could still do a job for us!

[Calypso Kid]

Was great to be part of a good game like that today. Thats what it is all about for me.

Disappointing behaviour from some Saints at the end. Practicing their flamenco dance routine on the seats.

[Dev]

I would've been delighted with a draw even though Dundee were there for the taking in the second half but a great goal finished us off. Thought Lynch was one of our better players in the first half, winning some good tackles and covering for Stanic.

Frustrated with Stanic's performance in the second half, put in a good cross for the equaliser but then gave away possession with a pointless pass into the middle, where there were no Saints players and lead to their second goal. Again, when we were on top, a simple lob would've sent Weatherston and Jacko clear of the Dundee defence but opted to play the ball into the crowded midfield.

Morris and Wilson mad a huge difference when they came on and their class showed. Shame that we only have Wilson and Lynch for a month.

Good post Steve, I agree with all of that.

[templeofsaints]

Absolutely rubbish in the first half even allowing for the conditions. Played better in the 2nd and deserved a point for that - once it went to 2-2 it was a good open game. Rotten way to lose though (especially as we're making a habit of it at Dens). This one will hurt a lot - just hope that can be channelled for the cup.

[Calypso Kid]

Wilson's shot when it was laid on a plate for him was a killer.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

Wilson's shot when it was laid on a plate for him was a killer.

that would"ve killed off dundee at that point as we were on top of the game then!!!

[dunblanemike]

Were two of the Dundee goals resulting from dodgy refereeing decisions on free kicks? I thought the ref made some bizarre decisions, against both sides, and did not help the game flow. The weather did not help either. Maybe me just looking for excuses. Oh and another excuse - I always thought bundling through a player was a free kick - it did not seem to be when the big Dundee lumps went through the three 'O's at goal kicks and the like.
It's a few hours since the game finished and I still feel gutted....:-| :sad:

[Finners]

Anyone have any idea how many saintees went to the game today - our end looked alot more full than usual

[Dev]

Anyone have any idea how many saintees went to the game today - our end looked alot more full than usual

Hundreds and hundreds of seats free at the far end of the stand. Everyone seemed to just go to the main stand side of our end.

[monkfish]

Good craic today, be a shame if Dundee go up as it now looks like they might, will miss the 'derby'.
First half crap, 4 3 3 didn't work at all, IMO it's not suitable for that sort of game. Biggest let down for me was Sheerin, never will figure out how he can go from helping change a game one week (hamilton) to being the ghost.

[MUZZ]

Anyone have any idea how many saintees went to the game today - our end looked alot more full than usual

coag mate reckons 1500

[Cagey]

Read all the posts & can`t see any referance to the fact that Main cost us that game. First he comes outside his box to catch a ball when he was under no pressure makes a good save from the free kick & then just boots it up the park & out of play when all our players are still in our half. Ball comes right back & McMenamin gets his second free header of the game.

Time to dump Main ,he constantly gives away possesion be pumping the ball up the park to 2 small strikers or out of play.

This guy has been in the game for umteen years & he can`t alow for the wind or have the brains to fold the ball until his team are in position.

Even Muzz didn`t give him MoM this week.

[Calypso Kid]

Might be under the thread snappily titled "Main" Cagey. Har de har har

[WebbyDFC]

The End.

[Finners]

The End.

of what? our league campaign, most likely yes. Shame is that alot of the saints fans have reacted surprisingly unbitter, especially on P&B its been alot of wellwishing, although Im not saying we're happy. Then there is you...

[Dev]

Read all the posts & can`t see any referance to the fact that Main cost us that game. First he comes outside his box to catch a ball when he was under no pressure makes a good save from the free kick & then just boots it up the park & out of play when all our players are still in our half. Ball comes right back & McMenamin gets his second free header of the game.

Time to dump Main ,he constantly gives away possesion be pumping the ball up the park to 2 small strikers or out of play.

This guy has been in the game for umteen years & he can`t alow for the wind or have the brains to fold the ball until his team are in position.

Even Muzz didn`t give him MoM this week.

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Oh dear. One of the most ludicrous and misguided posts I've ever seen on this forum. The reason you've not seen any posts about that is because it's not even remotely true! Please tell me you're not serious and that's an attempt at fishing?

Alan Main did not cost us that game. He was not singularly culpable for any of the goals. If you believe that he was then you are nuts.

We played the match as a team and lost the match as a team. For all three goals conceded, and at numerous other points during the match, we defended extremely poorly as a unit. That surely cannot be laid at the feet of the goalkeeper? The same keeper who atoned for his only glaring mistake by making a sharp save from the resultant free kick?

[Dundee Derry Boy]

Best siants crowd I've seen at Dens for years. Must have been about 1300-1400 which is pretty impressive considering your home gates.

Thought Dundee dominated the first half and were unlucky to only be 1-0 up at half time.

Second half was 50-50 and must have been great entertainment for any neutrals in the crowd. But overall I thought Dundee desrved the 3 points.

Was speaking to a Saints fan in Dundee tonight, and amongst other things he said he hoped we would win the league because we are much better to watch than Hamilton.
Fair play likes, he's probably the only saints fan I have ever met in my life and he talked a lot of sense.

Good luck for the rest of the season and if we do go on to win the league this year I really hope you guys can come up next season too.

[templeofsaints]

We played the match as a team and lost the match as a team. For all three goals conceded, and at numerous other points during the match, we defended extremely poorly as a unit. That surely cannot be laid at the feet of the goalkeeper? The same keeper who atoned for his only glaring mistake by making a sharp save from the resultant free kick?


Couldn't agree more - while it was hard to pick a MoM, it was just as hard to blame individuals yesterday. We were poor as a team in the first half - defensively unable to punt the ball clear, midfield non-existent and strikers barely in the game.

Main made his share of mistakes but you could say that about anyone in the team - I was more concerned with the fact that their 2nd and 3rd goals were almost identical and (from what I could see), McMenamin practically had a free header each time - who was meant to be picking him up?

[Cagey]

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Oh dear. One of the most ludicrous and misguided posts I've ever seen on this forum. The reason you've not seen any posts about that is because it's not even remotely true! Please tell me you're not serious and that's an attempt at fishing?

Alan Main did not cost us that game. He was not singularly culpable for any of the goals. If you believe that he was then you are nuts.

We played the match as a team and lost the match as a team. For all three goals conceded, and at numerous other points during the match, we defended extremely poorly as a unit. That surely cannot be laid at the feet of the goalkeeper? The same keeper who atoned for his only glaring mistake by making a sharp save from the resultant free kick?


From time to time I do not agree with some of the view expressed on here but I always take them as heart felt & given by fellow SAINTS FANS so I will never resort to personal insults. Afraid you have gone down in my estimation Dev.

[Aitchy]

Left the game yesterday feeling totally sick, 2nd time in a year that the scum have scored in the last minute against us. Anyone who is deluded enough to think we will still go up, needs to seek help.

I have been a big fan of McInnes since he took over as the manager, but his biggest challenge as a manger is now. He has to sort out the team for next season now. Main, Sheerin, Stanic and McManus have all been good solid players for us, but there time at Saints is over in my eyes. McInnes needs to identify a solid goalkeeper and a left back for next, i just feel Main and Stanic are feeling the effects of age and have been progessively worse this season. Likewise Sheerin, there is no doubt he is a skillfull player, but he just dosent have the pace, proven yesterday when the likes of McDonald and Malone were "running all over him". Finally Peaso has been very poor lately, whether it is beacuse he is playing on the left wing, i dont know, but he just hasnt been playing well enough lately.

In regards to the loan signings, Lynch impressed me yesterday and hopefully he keeps playing well. In regards to Barry Wilson and Greg Cameron i believe both should be sent packing, as far as i am aware neither are going to sign pemanently, so why are the here? Get rid of them and let guys such as Mooner and Weatherston have a go.

Finally McInnes really needs to sign players who have a bit of character about them, yesterday there was no real display of leadership in the Saints team, barring Ruti. All the great Saints teams of the last 20 years have had lots of characters/guys who looked like they genuinely cared about playing for Saints, for example in the early 90's team - Paul Cherry, Don McVicar, Roddy and in the 98/99 team - Jim Weir, Paul Kane, Allan Preston - however this team really seems to be lacking that, too many players are too quiet and seem to hide when the team is not playing well.

[bankfootsaintee]

What we lack is a physical presence. Rae has brought in players who are big, strong, aggressive and ball winners and most importantly who are also skilful. They muscled us out of the game during the first half.
Time for him to be looking for another left back, Stanic made too many unforced errors today, albeit he crossed a fine ball in for Morris.

Sheerin is past it, he ducked out of one tackle early on, his crossing was poor from free kicks and corners, time for a replacement there.

I would have settled for a draw but it would have been undeserved because of our first half performance.

Thought Morris looked good, took a couple of "welcome to Scotland" tackles early on and wasn't frightened to boss the midfield.

Lynch doesn't look a footballer to me, he runs funny??

Wilson did ok.

Bring on next Saturday.

[Barca-Saintee]

we really missed craig yesterday, pity that his first suspension with us is for the most important game of the season

[blueheaven]

All the great Saints teams of the last 20 years have had lots of characters/guys who looked like they genuinely cared about playing for Saints, for example in the early 90's team - Paul Cherry, Don McVicar, Roddy and in the 98/99 team - Jim Weir, Paul Kane, Allan Preston - however this team really seems to be lacking that, too many players are too quiet and seem to hide when the team is not playing well.

I agree with that, but I'm not sure those sorts of players even exist any more. Look at any teams from those eras, and they all had their fair share of "leaders" and "characters" - even Rangers had the likes of Goram, Gough, Gazza, McCoist - or Man Utd had Bruce, Pallister, Keane etc. I don't think any teams have that kind of player/person nowadays though. People like Alan Main and Kevin James are possibly the last of their breed - and they get slagged rotten on here!

[monkfish]

From time to time I do not agree with some of the view expressed on here but I always take them as heart felt & given by fellow SAINTS FANS so I will never resort to personal insults. Afraid you have gone down in my estimation Dev.

No one's personally insulting you, just saying your post's a load of hoosh.

[Calypso Kid]

What we lack is a physical presence. Rae has brought in players who are big, strong, aggressive and ball winners and most importantly who are also skilful. They muscled us out of the game during the first half.
Time for him to be looking for another left back, Stanic made too many unforced errors today, albeit he crossed a fine ball in for Morris.

Sheerin is past it, he ducked out of one tackle early on, his crossing was poor from free kicks and corners, time for a replacement there.

I would have settled for a draw but it would have been undeserved because of our first half performance.

Thought Morris looked good, took a couple of "welcome to Scotland" tackles early on and wasn't frightened to boss the midfield.

Lynch doesn't look a footballer to me, he runs funny??

Wilson did ok.

Bring on next Saturday.

He runs like how i would imagine Norman Wisdom would have ran if he played football! Jokes aside i thought he looked good first half then picked up an injury which stopped him in the second.

Wilson looked decent will get better the more he plays.

Morris could turn into a class act IMO but time will tell.

[Lost Son of Fairbairn]

Next !!!! ......... St Midden ...... WERE GONNA WIN THE CUP

[Gods Favourite Angel]

Next !!!! ......... St Midden ...... WERE GONNA WIN THE CUP

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[Dev]

From time to time I do not agree with some of the view expressed on here but I always take them as heart felt & given by fellow SAINTS FANS so I will never resort to personal insults. Afraid you have gone down in my estimation Dev.

No one's personally insulting you, just saying your post's a load of hoosh.

I don't think I did personally insult you. I certainly didn't intend to anyway.

I just disagree with your post in the strongest possible terms, simple as that.

[Ronaldo]

It would be great to get to the Semi Final with all our players back and we meet Dundee. :evil:

Where are all these people who were complaining about temporary loan deals, if it weren't for them it could have been worse. I maybe would complain about other competitor teams getting advantage from this rule but not my own. :rolleyes: :confused:

[slf]

hey ghostie hav you got a sore heid the day.i know you never had your breakfast on saturday but you surpassed my antics at stirling.is the missus speaking to you yet?hows your new east stand aberdeen mates.thanks for the entertainment keep it up.how you didnt get thrown out i dont know.

[Cagey]

I don't think I did personally insult you. I certainly didn't intend to anyway.

I just disagree with your post in the strongest possible terms, simple as that.

Cheers Dev. It would be a dull old world if we all thought the same.

[dunblanemike]

hey ghostie hav you got a sore heid the day.i know you never had your breakfast on saturday but you surpassed my antics at stirling.is the missus speaking to you yet?hows your new east stand aberdeen mates.thanks for the entertainment keep it up.how you didnt get thrown out i dont know.

Is ghostie the fine gentleman who gave us all a shout about their goalkeepers ginger pubic hair and generally how useless he was? Had many a folk near me laughing their head off!!

[slf]

Is ghostie the fine gentleman who gave us all a shout about their goalkeepers ginger pubic hair and generally how useless he was? Had many a folk near me laughing their head off!!


yer right mate.and hes a ginger too ha ha.at least he was when he had a hairy bonce.dont know about his pubics though.he sure is a fine gentlemen.

[dunblanemike]

yer right mate.and hes a ginger too ha ha.at least he was when he had a hairy bonce.dont know about his pubics though.he sure is a fine gentlemen.
it was the fine spray of spittle as he was delivery his speech that put me off a bit - glistening in the sun it was! I was just glad I was not immediately downwind of him!!:neutral:

[slf]

it was the fine spray of spittle as he was delivery his speech that put me off a bit - glistening in the sun it was! I was just glad I was not immediately downwind of him!!:neutral:

hes famous for that ha ha

[Radford 72]

Goran seems to have had the finger pointed at him for the two McMenamin goals. Rutkiewicz's comments in the media this morning are pretty scathing:

"We're all given a job to do beforehand and if people aren't willing to pick up or don't have the heart to pick up, we're not going to win matches. You can't afford to switch off but that's what we did.

"Every time we get within touching distance we end up losing games.

"That tells me there's either not enough heart in the team or we just don't want it enough.

"We come back from a goal down then somebody let McMenamin, one of the smallest players, get a free header in the box."

[templeofsaints]

Fair play to Rustybitz - he's not trying to paper over the cracks or just say we were unlucky. I wasn't sure who was meant to be marking McMenamin at set pieces but given reports from elsewhere, it seems that Goran was that man and he failed to do his job.

[Dennistoun Saint]

It's not for Rutkiewicz to come out and attribute blame. It may well be the case that Stanic (who made some poor mistakes at other points) failed to pick up his man but that can be dealt with internally. Just as well the rest of the TEAM restrict their outbursts to the dressing room otherwise there could have been countless attacks on Kutkiewicz himself this season.
As other members have said in relation to attacks on Main, we win as a team and lose as a team.

[templeofsaints]

Rutkiewicz didn't name Goran though - that was from the rest of the report. But maybe it's time some of these disagreements were aired more in public so we can drop this "Everyone loves Del" mantra that seems to have been doing the rounds at the club. There's no doubt that some players are not in Del's plans now or else won't be in the future (Stanic possibly comes into the latter category).

If it takes the sort of quotes from Rusty to get a sense of reality about the club then so be it. I don't think he's absolving himself from any of the blame but he's just voicing what most of us have said over the course of the season.

[Dennistoun Saint]

Rutkiewicz didn't name Goran though - that was from the rest of the report. But maybe it's time some of these disagreements were aired more in public so we can drop this "Everyone loves Del" mantra that seems to have been doing the rounds at the club. There's no doubt that some players are not in Del's plans now or else won't be in the future (Stanic possibly comes into the latter category).

If it takes the sort of quotes from Rusty to get a sense of reality about the club then so be it. I don't think he's absolving himself from any of the blame but he's just voicing what most of us have said over the course of the season.

I take your point regarding Rutkiewicz not naming Goran. My point was in response to the statement that it was acceptable to come out in the press and attribute blame.
In terms of the "mantra" you refer to, are you suggesting that the players should come out and give their (negative) opinions on the manager? And what is the "reality" as you see it?
The bottom line is that Del is the boss so if players aren't in his plans then he will let them know that; it's not for another player to come out and stir things up.
I'm sure Rutkiewicz cares about the club and was just hurting as a result of the defeat but he is not bigger than the team or the club as a whole.

[templeofsaints]

I never said he was bigger than the club.

In terms of reality I think we have a club which due to Coyle's departure and Del's different philosophy, is undergoing a fair bit of change. There will be plenty of the players that started the last few games that IMHO won't be here next season - purely because they are not good enough / too old etc. I think Del is planning for next season already and after last weekend I'd expect that process to be speeded up - which means possibly starting more youngsters etc.

I don't think everyone should be out slagging off the players / manager but it's right that Rusty said what he did - it shows how much the players are hurting and that they're not trying to make excuses. And like it or not it does also point to divisions in the dressing-room (as if the broken window didn't do that enough already).

[Shaggy Jenkins]

People in glass houses, Pot calling kettle black etc etc springs to mind with those comments for me. I actually find it a bit of a brass neck coming from him.

[Steve Maskrey]

Isn't Rusty the captain now? Looks like his comments came out of hurt, not only losing the biggest game of the season but also to lose to goals which could've and should've been prevented. I think James has said something similar in the past. Whether Rusty will regret not being more diplomatic about his criticism is anyone's guess but hopefully it'll fire the team up for next saturday

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Isn't Rusty the captain now? Looks like his comments came out of hurt, not only losing the biggest game of the season but also to lose to goals which could've and should've been prevented. I think James has said something similar in the past. Whether Rusty will regret not being more diplomatic about his criticism is anyone's guess but hopefully it'll fire the team up for next saturday

Yeah he is, most likely why he said it. Although why is another thread entirly he trys, but he is just no very good to put it mildly

[soulfulsaint]

People in glass houses, Pot calling kettle black etc etc springs to mind with those comments for me. I actually find it a bit of a brass neck coming from him.

Agreed. I have no objections to a player speaking out in anger about lax performances and naming names if its 'motivational' but not if it further divides a dressing room. I also think self-criticism can often be the best policy. We were knocked out of the cup by Gretna by a single-goal after Kevin failed to clear a schoolboy punt up the park. His performance that day cost us a place in the cup but he didn't own up to it. Speak out by all means but shoulder some blame too.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

hey ghostie hav you got a sore heid the day.i know you never had your breakfast on saturday but you surpassed my antics at stirling.is the missus speaking to you yet?hows your new east stand aberdeen mates.thanks for the entertainment keep it up.how you didnt get thrown out i dont know.


Thanks for that slf..Not overly happy with myself..And your right how I did not get lifted is a mystery.Either God to thank or maybe they just didnae fancy the idea of huckling me out the door, seeing as I looked rough as fcuk,with I imagine , wild starey eyes and me being 19 stone..
If I did offend anyone( I vaguely remember the Aberdonian guys behind me being very upset) I take this oportunity to unreservedly say I,m genuinely sorry and a we bit ashamed.Was well O.T.T. to be fair....

And my hangover lasted till this morning...Serves me right....

[templeofsaints]

Speak out by all means but shoulder some blame too.

I think he is taking some of the blame and responsibility at the weekend. Yes the goal seems to be down to an individual lapse in concentration but his main quote uses the collective "we" often enough.

[Dennistoun Saint]

I think he is taking some of the blame and responsibility at the weekend. Yes the goal seems to be down to an individual lapse in concentration but his main quote uses the collective "we" often enough.

If he was thinking about the collective "we" then he should have been far more diplomatic and professional.

[Dave H]

I was raging after full time, and only to be reminded of it all again working beside Dundee fans....

i am still not over the manner of defeat, def a sore one to take. the effort from the players was superb! what a terrible day, first half gail force gusts in our face, second half just a windy day :(

[St Mikey]

Rusty is correct. If players can't be arsed in doing their job then they should be made aware of it.

If any of use mucked about and didn't put all our effort into our work our boss would bust us.

RUSTY FOR CAPTAIN!

[Dennistoun Saint]

Rusty is correct. If players can't be arsed in doing their job then they should be made aware of it.

If any of use mucked about and didn't put all our effort into our work our boss would bust us.

RUSTY FOR CAPTAIN!

Absolutely, but our boss would do so privately. And, more to the point, Rutkiewicz isn't Goran's boss...thank God!

[garydavidson]

out side of the old firm this had the highest attendance in scotland at the weekend.not bad going, if they go up we will be missing a big derby next year.

[templeofsaints]

Absolutely, but our boss would do so privately. And, more to the point, Rutkiewicz isn't Goran's boss...thank God!


Although as Captain, he possibly has a leadership role :)

[Cagey]

Ruti didn`t name Goran,I think it was the journo`jumping to conclusions.

Curior & McManimin were their strikers & Ruti & Mcmanus were our centre backs. One would assume that our centre backs would be marking their strikers. McManus was going mental at someone for not marking McManiman at his first goal & Ruti was pointing the finger at someone but himself.
Very strange !.

[mainstand]

Ruti didn`t name Goran,I think it was the journo`jumping to conclusions.

Curior & McManimin were their strikers & Ruti & Mcmanus were our centre backs. One would assume that our centre backs would be marking their strikers. McManus was going mental at someone for not marking McManiman at his first goal & Ruti was pointing the finger at someone but himself.
Very strange !.

If saints are playing a man marking game then you would expect the centres to be marking the tallest players. If tehy pick up zonally then they would be marking the players in their given areas.

The scorers came from the left hand side and made a run from which no one picked them up, that you would expect would be the left back's fault.

[Dennistoun Saint]

Although as Captain, he possibly has a leadership role :)

What a shame he's hopeless at it!:***:

[101 Saint]

I understand that Stanic was singled out for criticism by players and coaches and that seems unfair. The team failed collectively in my book.