#06 - 23/08/08 - Partick Thistle (a)

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Now I know it,s fairly early to start a thread but I thought it might help us move on from the pumping we got from the Pars and look forward to next week in a more positive manner.I have now fully calmed down and in the cold light of day the previous result can be assigned to history.
Results elsewhere we actually not bad for us and we are still only 3 points from the top of the league , so little harm has actually been done.
To Partick.Now at one point, I was of a mind to cancel my seat on the Dunkeld road bus for Firhill, but no!!!!! I will be there and I have to believe that Del will make the corrections required to get the lads up and running again and playing good passing football.Team selection will be dependant on who,s available obviously.Maybe he could change the formation to 4-5-1 to give us more strength in the midfield which we really need to have.The defence though has got to be rock solid and with that in mind I wonder what, if any, ( Surely he must) changes he will make.

Here's my effort....

Main

Anderson,McCaffery,James,Smith

Millar.Hardie,Craig,Savo,Swankie

Holmes

Subs. McLean,Weatherston,Sheerin,Samuel,Irvine.

With 5 in midfield including Savo( who I know is a striker) we could play the ball to Homes who has already shown he,s a decent hold up player and have the pace of the midfield to get up in support.Also if the wide midfielders can take on the full backs and get crosses in from the by-line Holmes is a great target and if the 3 central midfielders can get up in support they hopefully could feed off any knock downs. I really believe we must take players on and run with the ball at defenders.Time and again this has been proved a successful tactic.Defenders are terrified when this happens.

[scotty gordon]

I Totally Agree With You And That Team A Very Strong 1 And A Possible Winning One!!!!!!!!!!!

[slf]

go for it saints

[SaintSam1884]

Holmes as the lone striker? I normally agree with a lot of what you say but thats bonkers.

[slf]

thats cos he is bonkers.

[mainstand]

Here's my effort....

Main

Anderson,McCaffery,James,Smith

Millar.Hardie,Craig,Savo,Swankie

Holmes

Subs. McLean,Weatherston,Sheerin,Samuel,Irvine.


Sams immediate reaction to that was that it was bonkers but it would have got that reaction if you had written it out as:
Main

Anderson,McCaffery,James,Smith

Hardie,Craig

Millar,Savo,Swankie

Holmes

When we have the ball it could easily turn into a 4-3-3 with any 2 of teh 3 able to support the striker.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Sams immediate reaction to that was that it was bonkers but it would have got that reaction if you had written it out as:
Main

Anderson,McCaffery,James,Smith

Hardie,Craig

Millar,Savo,Swankie

Holmes

When we have the ball it could easily turn into a 4-3-3 with any 2 of teh 3 able to support the striker.

A diamond formation.....I like your thinking...:)

[Rodgers]

i dont like millar playing on the right, i see him more of a central player, he was wasted on saturday and is much more effective in the middle, hes like our Cesc Fabregas

[Noose76]

I'm taking my girlfriend to this one, and I reckon we'll get beat at least 2-0.

[sign dave]

ghost, i like the formation but would swap swankie with peaso, put swankie in a more central role and leaving craig out, and shuffle the midfield so it reads as

millar, savo, hardie, swankie, macdonald

this way savo and peaso can run up front to support a 4-3-3 formation and come back for defensive roles

[Radford 72]

To be honest, I'll be pretty annoyed if I turn up at Firhill next week and we are playing a 4-5-1 formation. It'd be a total over-reaction to one woeful performance and result. We need to try and gain some consistency IMO, not try twenty formations until one works.

Some of these suggested midfields are bonkers though. Has Swankie ever played in the centre of midfield in his life, Dave? You have two strikers in the midfield and a guy out of position! We need to keep things simple at the moment, not totally complicate things and get the players trying to make a new system work when we need a result.

I'd agree with those that have Anderson at right back though, something to toughen us up in that area. Incredibly frustrating that we can't get Morris and Hardie together in midfield though.

[Southpaw]

Not so sure about all this stuff about dropping Irvine....I'll keep him in and make a few other changes. Brought Peaso in because of "goals v's Thistle" record more then anything else.

Main
Irvine, Caff, James, Smith
Millar, Hardie, Craig
Holmes, Milne, McDonald

I reserve the right to change my mind 10 times before Saturday.....

[soulfulsaint]

A settled side please and a passing game. No panic measures and no aimless punts to Holmes.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

no aimless punts to Holmes.
Maxi, Robbo and Storey (provided he's played at sweeper) would lap them up. It's when the ball's played along the deck with pace that we struggle. Swankie could have a huge part to play in this game. Paton's a bit like Gary Irvine in the sense he looks better going forward, while Storey appeared to have a 'mare yesterday at right back. Play Swankie on the left and, provided he's on form, we could be up against it.

[Kyle]

Maxi, Robbo and Storey (provided he's played at sweeper) would lap them up. It's when the ball's played along the deck with pace that we struggle. Swankie could have a huge part to play in this game. Paton's a bit like Gary Irvine in the sense he looks better going forward, while Storey appeared to have a 'mare yesterday at right back. Play Swankie on the left and, provided he's on form, we could be up against it.

Gary Irvine isn't actually great at anything at the moment. The sponsors on Saturday, a group of Pars' fans, gave him man of the match to wind us up.

I can see Thistle winning by 2 clear goals in this, and I wouldn't be surprised if they won by more. We'll be fine once we gel I think, but it might take a wee while yet.

[PerthSJFC]

Main
Anderson McCaffrey James Smith
Hardie Millar Craig
Samuel Savo Peaso

may aswell try something different after saturday

[Rodgers]

main
anderson McCaffery james smith
irvine millar hardie swankie
craig
holmes

[mainstand]

I'm taking my girlfriend to this one, and I reckon we'll get beat at least 2-0.

Does she get earphones to hear what the games is like Noose or do you just describe it for her!! :-)

[mainstand]

To be honest, I'll be pretty annoyed if I turn up at Firhill next week and we are playing a 4-5-1 formation. It'd be a total over-reaction to one woeful performance and result. We need to try and gain some consistency IMO, not try twenty formations until one works.

WHY??

Partick I think play three at the back. Playing 2 up allows the sweeper to stay free and the 2 defenders to pick them up. If you have 1 up then there are problems for the defence as they have no idea who to pick up and who to watch out for coming from midfield.

Folk make far too much of formations if we play 1 up when they have the ball and 3 up when we have it then that is fine with me.

[THE LARK SAINT]

I'm taking my girlfriend to this one, and I reckon we'll get beat at least 2-0.

FECKIN PESIMIST

[Noose76]

Does she get earphones to hear what the games is like Noose or do you just describe it for her!! :-)

I explain it to her in a variety of incoherent groans, interluded by a few ****s!

[Radford 72]

WHY??

Partick I think play three at the back. Playing 2 up allows the sweeper to stay free and the 2 defenders to pick them up. If you have 1 up then there are problems for the defence as they have no idea who to pick up and who to watch out for coming from midfield.

Folk make far too much of formations if we play 1 up when they have the ball and 3 up when we have it then that is fine with me.
BECAUSE we don't play 4-5-1 and it'd simply be a reaction to Saturday's result and not to counter any particular system that Thistle play. They played 4-5-1 themselves down at Palmerston yesterday, straying from their 3-5-2, and they lost their first game.

Playing 4-5-1 would mean the players spending the week working on a whole new system that they aren't used to playing. What if it doesn't work, do we try 3-5-2 for the Clyde game?

We are plenty flexible with our ability to play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, let's stick with that IMO. We still have good players, we just need to be prepared to earn the right to play in our own manner.

4-4-2 needn't work against us like you've said. If they play with a sweeper then it leaves space in the wide areas, where the strikers can either drag the CBs into areas they don't like, letting guys like Hardie get into the box, or the wide players like Swankie have room to exploit.

Let's not totally overreact to one bad day at the office and change everything about the way we play.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

BECAUSE we don't play 4-5-1 and it'd simply be a reaction to Saturday's result and not to counter any particular system that Thistle play. They played 4-5-1 themselves down at Palmerston yesterday, straying from their 3-5-2, and they lost their first game.

Playing 4-5-1 would mean the players spending the week working on a whole new system that they aren't used to playing. What if it doesn't work, do we try 3-5-2 for the Clyde game?

We are plenty flexible with our ability to play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, let's stick with that IMO. We still have good players, we just need to be prepared to earn the right to play in our own manner.

4-4-2 needn't work against us like you've said. If they play with a sweeper then it leaves space in the wide areas, where the strikers can either drag the CBs into areas they don't like, letting guys like Hardie get into the box, or the wide players like Swankie have room to exploit.

Let's not totally overreact to one bad day at the office and change everything about the way we play.

Sack the board.Bring in 10 new players and demote the manager.Thats over reacting.!!!!!!!!
We have played the same formations for the last two seasons and where has it got us? I,ll tell you where.NOFECKINGWHERE thats where.We are to predictable.Lets go crazy!!!!!Well lets at least try passing the ball on the deck,put a man at the front post when we get a corner( for the flick on) ,take a throw in quickly and run at the bloody opposition.Please.

[stanley saint]

my first and prob only game of the season, off to afghan in 2 weeks, and i'm taking my lass.... looking for an almighty and winning performance .....or at least a scrappy one nil win

[soulfulsaint]

my first and prob only game of the season, off to afghan in 2 weeks, and i'm taking my lass.... looking for an almighty and winning performance .....or at least a scrappy one nil win

Best of luck out there Stanley. If you promise to take care in Helmand Province, we will behave in Maryhill. Don't know who has the hardest task?

[stanley saint]

cheers pal , hope to go away with a good win. i think we're even on th e hardest task vote

[inex]

A good team should be able to switch from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 at the drop of a hat. This is the most effective way to confuse the opposition and react to what is happening on the pitch.
4-3-3 can essentially be a 4-5-1.

You need players of a certain quality and of a certain mental capacity, and a manager to be able to train the players in the art of the quick switch.

I thought the 4-3-3 worked for Saints last year and not sure why it should not stay like that this year with an ability to swap.

Chelsea played the most beautiful game yesterday. Their midfielders were constantly changing positions, total football. Portsmouth had no idea what was going on, their defenders could not mark up at all and they were totally outclassed and out thought.

Whether Saints have any class to be able to confuse the opposition enough remains a concern for me from the reports I read.

[The Inspiration]

Personally, I would go..

....................Main.................
Anderson James McCaffrey Smith
.................Hardie.....................
Millar.................................Swankie
.................Savo..........................
......Jacko................Holmes...........

McCaffrey and Anderson surely can bring a breath of fresh air to our embarrasment of a defence.. and we need MMM back, it was clear to see how much we missed his presence on saturday.. Holmes had to come back too many times on saturday to cover areas that MMM would usually cover, then kept getting caught back whilst we did our usual punt to anywhere route one p*sh

Swankie had a stinker on saturday but his form is brilliant, hes looked excellent so far this season and it would be hard to exclude him or Chris Millar from the starting 11. My only tough decision would be Savo/Jacko. Liam Craig was nowhere to be seen on saturday but he brings something special to the midfield when hes on form, something he needs to find after his sending off/suspension. He could possibly pplay in the centre of midfield with Savo up front instead of Jacko.

All in all, not put off too much by saturday as we still have the best squad in the league. Lets just hope they start bloody playing.

[Bruno Strasser]

A diamond formation.....I like your thinking...:)

What about the Chritmas Tree Formation - our Title Challenge will be over by then :laugh:

[Scobby_SJFC]

Either a trip to Firhill or Hampden for me, think i'll decide tomorrow!!
Been too long since we have won there, we're due a wee result

[thewhorule2002]

I would go:

---------------------Main---------------------

Anderson ---Mccaffrey-------James--------Smith

---------Millar -------Hardie -------Morris--------

--------- Savo-------Homes--------Jacko--------

Swankie and samuel to come on and change things if needed

[Sainteesean]

I would go:

---------------------Main---------------------

Anderson ---Mccaffrey-------James--------Smith

---------Millar -------Hardie -------Morris--------

--------- Savo-------Homes--------Jacko--------

Swankie and samuel to come on and change things if needed

insane

[Calypso Kid]

I would go:

---------------------Main---------------------

Anderson ---Mccaffrey-------James--------Smith

---------Millar -------Hardie -------Morris--------

--------- Savo-------Homes--------Jacko--------

Swankie and samuel to come on and change things if needed

I'm with you.

[Sainteesean]

im just glad you two arent des :D

[ancientsaint]

I explain it to her in a variety of incoherent groans, interluded by a few ****s!


Thats some burd youve got there Noose......She groans- she ****s and obviously loves it alfresco :D:D:D

[Noose76]

Thats some burd youve got there Noose......She groans- she ****s and obviously loves it alfresco :D:D:D

Indeed mate, classy chick. :D

Re-read that, my naughty word begins with C, but now that you've mentioned it, I'm going to try my luck behind the pie stalls.:wink:

[blueheaven]

im just glad you two arent des :D

Lynam or O'Connor?:p

[Southpaw]

Our midfield personnel could be tough to predict.... :wink:

[doune.SAINT]

gonaa have to get the train..does any1 no if the supporters busses stop in stirling and is maryhill easy to get to after u get off the tube..will their be any truble

[Jags Ya Bas!]

will their be any truble
Only if you show your face, ya wee knob!

In all seriousness, I've only encountered trouble at one Saints/Thistle game. I may be wrong, but the two sets of fans appear to get on relatively well. I know I've done my bit to bolster relations.

If you get the tube to St. George's X then you're looking at a walk straight up Maryhill Road to the ground.

Decent pubs on the route include The Royalty (avoid if there's an early Rangers kick off) and The Woodside, but you can also get a drink in the Aitken Suite (our fans' bar).

Anything else, just ask.

[doune.SAINT]

nah am 15 goin wae ma m8 an want to make sure its an easy walk an tht aye...

not going to boozers is it alright getting the tram bak ect?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

not going to boozers is it alright getting the tram bak ect?
Just get the underground back to whichever station you got on at in the first place. You could easily walk to the city centre from Firhill, but best to stick to what you know.

You'll be sound, mate. No probs.

[doune.SAINT]

awrte well all get the train to queenstreet from stirling then get on the under ground their...... how long a walk like 5 mins from tht station a get off at ***



cheers m8

[Jags Ya Bas!]

awrte well all get the train to queenstreet from stirling then get on the under ground their...... how long a walk like 5 mins from tht station a get off at ***

There's an access point to Buchanan Street Underground Station directly opposite one of the entrances to Queen Street Station. Take the inner circle (I think - best to check) to St. Georges Cross. Come out, cross Great Western Road and turn left up Maryhill Road. The ground is ten minutes max. from the station.

The Royalty will be on your right and the Woody on your left if you're heading in the right direction. Firhill isn't actually on Maryhill Road, but you should see it if you stick to the right-hand side.

Use Cafe D'Jaconnelli at Queens Cross as a marker. Firhill is on the road directly behind that.

You'll still be able to get in the fans' bar despite being 15.

[SingaporeSaint]

awrte well all get the train to queenstreet from stirling then get on the under ground their...... how long a walk like 5 mins from tht station a get off at ***



cheers m8

Is it me getting old or do some posters communicate in a different language to the rest ?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Is it me getting old or do some posters communicate in a different language to the rest ?
Ur jst pure auld, ya cnt. ***z rofl

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Why is *** censored?

[Radford 72]

In all seriousness, I've only encountered trouble at one Saints/Thistle game.
My second game at McDiarmid was against Thistle in October 1989 and I remember seeing a right rammy going on outside the carpark and back towards the 208.

Like Southpaw, I'm not prepared to pin down a side yet!

[Radford 72]

Why is *** censored?
Blame Beatson!

[Jags Ya Bas!]

It's all his ****ing fault!!!!

BTW, Jamie's a ginger, right?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Today's ET http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/display.var.2428344.0.no_good_team_loses_two_in_a_ row_says_maxy.php reports we'll be running the rule over an midfield target in a closed door game and that we're stepping up our efforts to sign a further loan striker. Chances are we might have some fresh faces in before Saturday.

[ancientsaint]

awrte well all get the train to queenstreet from stirling then get on the under ground their...... how long a walk like 5 mins from tht station a get off at ***



cheers m8


If i was you and your mate-id be more inclined to see if one of the supporters buses had seats available and see if they would pick you up at Dunblane -that way you d get right to the ground without any hassle.

[Jamie_Beatson]

Blame Beatson!

Wrong - blame Alahan!

[Pants n Socks]

Hey folks. I missed last Saturday but obviously hearing and reading we had a nightmare and a lot of comments about formation etc.

I'll trust Del to make the right decision but if it was me at the moment having problems with formation I'd be going back to a bog standard 4-4-2 with two wide players (Swankie and Millar/Samuel) who stick to their positions, two central midfielders who can play and get stuck in (Hardie and Morris/Millar?) with a little and large combo upfront (Savo and Holmes). But that's just my opinion.

Not sure what Del will do defensively but he must have his own ideas and hopefully Main's return will help us.

Mon the Saints!

[Southpaw]

Chances are we might have some fresh faces in before Saturday.

You might not be the only team with a new face..we're close to bringing someone in before Saturday.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

You might not be the only team with a new face..we're close to bringing someone in before Saturday.
A new player, or tying down Smith?

[Scobby_SJFC]

For the underground it is best to go to St georges cross then turn right after you walk up the stair and your pretty much straight from their

[Radford 72]

A new player, or tying down Smith?
I'd think Southpaw will be very coy about this in case Thistle try and nick the player.

[SaintSam1884]

A sufficient amount of time has passed to allow me to forget Saturday.

I'm now looking forward to this game. Excellent.

[garydavidson]

if you are going to a pub i would say stick with the woodside nice place.

not sure how this is going to go missed last week thankfully and i hope that it will be a mighty kick up the rear for us. not the easiest team to face after last week and we have not had much luck at firhill in the recent past.

lets hope its a much better game this time but at the end of the day i would take a dire display as long as we have three points.

the pitch will be getting a good soaking today with all this rain. has it come back to life over summer after the rugby mr jags ya bas!?

[Scobby_SJFC]

So far we've have had decemt away crowds so hopefully this will continue, but cant see it after last weeks result

[Jags Ya Bas!]

the pitch will be getting a good soaking today with all this rain. has it come back to life over summer after the rugby mr jags ya bas!?
Good point. The pitch was looking fantastic, but the Warriors' first 'home' fixture is...Friday night!

[john1962]

Good point. The pitch was looking fantastic, but the Warriors' first 'home' fixture is...Friday night!

And with the weather at the moment it has no chance of being playable on saturday never mind being in good nick.

[Scobby_SJFC]

That does not sound gd at all
this will effect our silky style of play, or mabey not

[mainstand]

Was through in Glasgow today and it was pissing down!!

[john1962]

Was through in Glasgow today and it was pissing down!!

And still is!

[Radford 72]

Kevin James out of Saturday's game but Martin Hardie is back training and McInnes hopes to add a new midfielder to his squad before the day is out. I'd still like to see Ando at right back, with Caff and Rutkiewicz in the centre and Dan Smith at left back.

[doune.SAINT]

the censor was an error...a dont thnk the supporters busses will stop in dunblane

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

the censor was an error...a dont thnk the supporters busses will stop in dunblane

Muirton park Travel club,dunkeld road would probably stop in Dumblane/Stirling if you asked.We have picked up in Stirling on many occasions.You should PM The Lark Saint.....He,s the man to speak to...

Or you could try phoning the club..01738 442022

[doune.SAINT]

cheers a foned up they will get bak to mee.......

dunblane would be perfect because am meetn ma frend their 1st

thanks 4 the help LADS

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

See now that we,ve help you.
Going to stop using that text speak shite and start typing properly young un.:)

[St Mikey]

Game may be off on saturday as Firhill is a coup in the rain. If the chunder rugger boys are going to pummel it before hand the night before.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

From jagsforum.net:

"Changes have been made to the preparation of the pitch (with the suppliers having had the benefit of a full close season which they didn't have last year) that should make it robust enough for both rugby and football. But it remains a risk if games are played in a downpour."

The game will be on.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Get the fecking rugby cancelled.:twisted:Just checked out the 5 day forecast and it,s not that bad.Dry on Friday and a little rain on Saturday early a.m. I agree with Jags.Game will most definitely go ahead

. Saints will win of course.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

I'm still deliberating over which end to sit in.

[Scobby_SJFC]

I'm still deliberating over which end to sit in.

isnt your mainstand closed nowadays?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I'm still deliberating over which end to sit in.

There only is one end.:confused:

Two sides ( I think. Is the main stand open again???it was closed the last time I was there).

Come and sit with us.Your nearly a Saintee anyway..You know you want to be eh!!!!!!!!I,ll make you deaf in one ear....

[101 Saint]

Kevin James out of Saturday's game but Martin Hardie is back training and McInnes hopes to add a new midfielder to his squad before the day is out. I'd still like to see Ando at right back, with Caff and Rutkiewicz in the centre and Dan Smith at left back.
But Ando is no good at right back and Caff, is nowhere near Ando's level at centre half. Irvine needs to be coached better by the Del and Doc, during the game. He has the talent and responded to Owen's coaching, don't write him off yet. He's also yet to have a bad game at Firhill. Let's back the poor sod, he can do it and we can help!

[mainstand]

Irvine needs to be coached better by the Del and Doc, during the game. He has the talent and responded to Owen's coaching, don't write him off yet. He's also yet to have a bad game at Firhill. Let's back the poor sod, he can do it and we can help!

You can help him by stopping talking so much shite!!!

You honestly believe that Owen coached him through the game.

[stu]

Caff is nowhere near Ando's level at centre half.

I feel that's a bit harsh given how little we've seen of him, and how little first team football he's played in general over the last few seasons. I can't claim to have paid too close attention to ICT when they were in the First Division but I have several trustworthy Caley supporting mates who assure me he was a class act when at this level last time round. Fair enough, he didn't quite make the step up to SPL level but I'd hope people were willing to give him the benefit of any doubt until he gets a proper run in the team. And even if he doesn't come good, I'd be surprised if he was found to be "nowhere near" the level of Anderson.

[Radford 72]

But Ando is no good at right back and Caff, is nowhere near Ando's level at centre half. Irvine needs to be coached better by the Del and Doc, during the game. He has the talent and responded to Owen's coaching, don't write him off yet. He's also yet to have a bad game at Firhill. Let's back the poor sod, he can do it and we can help!
Ando is a much improved (and more confident player) who IMO could play at right back, as he showed against St Mirren in the Scottish Cup last season. The defence was looking fine up at Dingwall with him at right back as well. How can Irvine be coached when he's on the other side of the pitch for 45 minutes? Did OC have a special line to The Ghost of Jim Morton who bellowed out his instructions? Irvine is a good player but he's undoubtedly much better going forward than he is defensively and at the moment, we need to tighten things up at the back which IMO means bringing in a more defensive player. We have good, creative players in the midfield this season, so I think we can get away without having the attacking threat of Irvine.

[StDuncM]

We are coming up for this one leaving on Saturday morning and returning after the match. Whats parking like around Firhill?

[R.B.B:- Adz]

im looking forward to ando starting(centre half) on saturday to be honest. A welcome return for me, however im not so keen on ousting gary irvine as i think he has a lot to offer us as far as the style we play and the way he links with the midfield in a way which anderson doesnt at right back. Assuming Alan isnt feeling any niggles we will see him restored this week, and although i like mclean i still think it will make a difference with alan in there if im honest. Assuming Martin reports himself in fit tomorrow afternoon he will start and i can see Samuel being given the nod upfront with jacko(assuming he is feeling fine after tuesday night). Millar and Sheerin should retain their places although its touch and go between Liam/Sheerin/Swankie and Peaso for those wide midfield slots and Del will be looking closely at who he picks for those roles as it could be the key(my feeling is he will go for the pace of Gavin and the experience of sheerin(could be wrong and it will be a battle between liam and peaso for that slot))

Hopefully line up something like this:

Main

Irvine Ando Rusty Smith

- - - Hardie - Millar
Swankie - - - - - Sheerin

Jackson Sammy


Mclean, McCaffrey, Craig, McKoy, Peaso, Holmes

[Radford 72]

We are coming up for this one leaving on Saturday morning and returning after the match. Whats parking like around Firhill?
Just street parking, Dunc. The buses park on Panmure Street, behind the away end but you can also get stopped on Garscube Rd which is dowhill from the stadium.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

you can also get stopped on Garscube Rd which is dowhill from the stadium.
There's an industrial estate across from the car showrooms on Garscube Road with plenty of parking spaces, should you wish to avoid parking on the street.

[Sainteesean]

anyone going to the supporters bar (opens at 12 and is just outside the stadium)?

[ancientsaint]

Just street parking, Dunc. The buses park on Panmure Street, behind the away end but you can also get stopped on Garscube Rd which is dowhill from the stadium.



Saints fans travelling by bus should also note that Panmure Street is no longer in use for away supporters buses – they are to park in Murano Street between Benview Street and Bilsland Drive.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

anyone going to the supporters bar (opens at 12 and is just outside the stadium)?
Aye.

They do a mean steak sandwich.

[Kyle]

Aye.

They do a mean steak sandwich.

Unrelated to the sandwich dealie, but thought you would know best. How easy is it to get in for an Under 16? I know you're an old perverted man, but thought you may know?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Unrelated to the sandwich dealie, but thought you would know best. How easy is it to get in for an Under 16? I know you're an old perverted man, but thought you may know?
You've recently had a haircut, right? Just make sure you have a shave in the morning and you're boyish good looks should see you home and try.

They'll also guarantee you a ring-busting hump from moi, but that's a discussion for another time. :p

[Sainteesean]

Aye.

They do a mean steak sandwich.

haha ill give it a try

is it usually packed? ive never been in before.

hows the prices? :cool:

[Jags Ya Bas!]

haha ill give it a try

is it usually packed? ive never been in before.

hows the prices? :cool:
Busy - yes

Packed - no

Beer's overpriced, food's reasonable.

[Southpaw]

Right then, well who the hell knows what the team will be but it's Friday night and FWIW my team would be
Main
Irvine, Ando, Rusty, Smith
Millar, Hardie, Craig
Holmes, Milne, McDonald

As I've said before, I see no need to drop Irvine so I'll bring Ando instead of Caff, although I wouldn't be surprised if Del goes for Caff. I'll go for a midfield three with Peaso getting back to help the midfield when he can. Peaso's in because of his record v's Thistle more then anything else.

Even with the injuries etc, we're still no nearer knowing what our best team is. The team above doesn't include McLean, Sheerin, Caff (Ando), Swankie, Samuel, Jacko, McCoy and you wouldn't be that suprised if some of them made the team.

[soccer saints]

No way Saints can be as bad as last week ( surely ) so I'm going for a 2-0 win for Saintees . :)

[macmerrysaint]

With all these midfielders, could it be that Del is thinking about a 3-5-2? Something like this.

Main

Ando Rusty Caff

Irvine Swankie Hardie Miller Sheerin

Jacko Savo

Subs: Homes, Peaso, Smith, Mclean, McKoy, Craig

That would certainly beef up the lightweight midfield that and give us the option of dropping Irvine and Sheerin into a 5 man defence if required. Winning more of the ball in midfield will make Jacko and Savo more effective up front with their pace and movement causing all sorts of problems leaving loads of space for the midfield to break into.

At the end of the day as long as we get three points I don't care. It's just a shame I can't get to the game.

[Derek Patterson]

Aye.

They do a mean steak sandwich.

Decent boozer aye? I'm usually Munns for a couple pints o'heavy then chips n curry out the kebab shop across the road. Worth making a change from the norm?

[541ntees]

Swankie is never going to play in the middle macmerry.

last week is long gone and hopefully the team has had the needed kick up the ass. We better be 1st to everything tomorrow!

here's my team so listen up Del :D

Main
Irvine Ando Rusty Smith
Millar MMM Craig Swankie
Holmes Peaso
subs: McLean Caff Sheerin Savo Samuel

i felt i had to leave out a striker and it's unfortunate it's Jacko but only to rest him from his international duty midweek, but Del's seen them in training this week and i'll be happy with whoever he choses. McCoy misses out to - he's the unknown so no reason maybe he's what we need.

[The Real Saints]

Main

Irvine Rutkiewicz McCaffrey Smith

Swankie Millar Hardie Craig

Milne MacDonald

Subs : McLean, Anderson, McKoy, Holmes, Samuel

I really don't have much of an idea what Derek will decide to do, especially in regards to which forwards will start, but I would go with at least MacDonald, knowing the damage he has done against Partick in the past.
It would perhaps be harsh to leave Sheerin out the squad, but we do have quite a lot of other options, and I feel it may unfortunately be necessary in a match where we must play more physically.

As for the trip to Maryhill, should I get to the stadium in plenty of time if I leave from Perth at 12.30?

On a side-note, I look much younger than 16, so I'll definitely be getting in for free tomorrow. There are some advantages to being small.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Main

Irvine Rutkiewicz McCaffrey Smith

Swankie Millar Hardie Craig

Milne MacDonald

Subs : McLean, Anderson, McKoy, Holmes, Samuel

I really don't have much of an idea what Derek will decide to do, especially in regards to which forwards will start, but I would go with at least MacDonald, knowing the damage he has done against Partick in the past.
It would perhaps be harsh to leave Sheerin out the squad, but we do have quite a lot of other options, and I feel it may unfortunately be necessary in a match where we must play more physically.

As for the trip to Maryhill, should I get to the stadium in plenty of time if I leave from Perth at 12.30?

On a side-note, I look much younger than 16, so I'll definitely be getting in for free tomorrow. There are some advantages to being small.

Yeah mate you should be fine usual round about an hour to get to Glasgow from perth

Lets get behind the boys tomorrow, we need to stick together and get things back on course

In Del We Trust!!

[541ntees]

As for the trip to Maryhill, should I get to the stadium in plenty of time if I leave from Perth at 12.30?



Depends how u are travelling ?
car-yes
walking-nope
push bike-doubt it unless it's a tandem with Chris Hoy!
motorbike-yes
train-check times
plane/helicopter-depends how far from Maryhill you land
hot air balloon-no idea(sorry mate)
Usian bolt's back-Defo!

[The Real Saints]

Depends how u are travelling ?
car-yes
walking-nope
push bike-doubt it unless it's a tandem with Chris Hoy!
motorbike-yes
train-check times
plane/helicopter-depends how far from Maryhill you land
hot air balloon-no idea(sorry mate)
Usian bolt's back-Defo!

Damn. I was going to opt for the hot air balloon, but I suppose the car's a safer bet.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Here we are again, it's Saturday and were all off to Firhill for hopefully some thrills and a win for the Saints.Positivity is required and I really believe that we can do the business this afternoon.After last weeks gutless effort I think the players will make amends with a display of character and passion to get our title aspirations back on track.Team wise I aint got a scooby but obviously there will be changes from last week ....


Main

Irvine,Ando,Rusty,Smith.

Millar,Hardie,Craig,Sheerin

Savo, Samuel.

4-4-2...(not 4-5-1:()

Subs.McLean,McKoy,McCaffery,Holmes,Swankie.....

I,m off for 18 holes of golf now, bus leaves Dunkeld road 12.30.I,ll be on it:)

Come on Del & Doc..Come on you Saints..Come on you Saints fans

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Decent boozer aye? I'm usually Munns for a couple pints o'heavy then chips n curry out the kebab shop across the road. Worth making a change from the norm?#
It's worth a shot mate. I'll be wearing a brown jumper and some boxfresh white adidas today. Say hello if you're in.

[Shibbydoo]

Seven changes since last Saturday according to Radio Scotland, missed the line-up though.

[Moray Blue]

1-0 to Thistle

[injured saint]

whos in goal for saints

[supersaint44]

main is in goal. Can i say i see another gubbing *sigh* but im not there so i dont know, how we playing? Jacko isnt in the team which is a shock.

[Moray Blue]

whos in goal for saints

Main

[St. Paddy]

main is in goal. Can i say i see another gubbing *sigh*

thats the spirit!

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Ando at Right back by looks o it if its a 4-4-2, Irvine on bench....clutching at straws much. Ando is no RB

[Indicator]

I can see his point though - It appears we managed to hold out for 6 bloody minutes. However - let me not judge before I hear what happened. I hope our highly regarded (allegedly) strikers are going to come up with the goods today.

[injured saint]

1-0 ht

[Dunfermline Saint]

Cant get onto ssn website, but saw that half time was pretty late coming through. Were there any injuries in the first half?

[SJC]

I can't fnd the team line up on any website, doesn't matter which crap and past it players are put into the team because we're getting beaten again.

[RINTELN SAINT]

2 nil maxwell

[Moray Blue]

oh bugg3r 2-0

and both from ex-Saints

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Thats the ball on the slates......Very very poor

[SJC]

Bloody Disgrace, McInness can clear out along with all the injury prone players he's signed.

RIP Saints Title Challenge, time of death 16:07 23/08/08

[supersaint44]

Team is Main, Ando, McCaffery Rusty, Smith, Craig, Millar, Hardie, MacDonald, Milne, Samuel

Subs: McLean, McKoy, Swankie, Irvine, Holmes
for SJC

I mourn our title challenge *sigh*

[RINTELN SAINT]

team line up from sfl site
Main
mcCafrey
Anderson
Rutkiewiez
Trialist
Samuel
Craig
Hardie
Miller
MacDonald
Milne

subs
Irvine
McKoy
Holmes
Swankie
Mclean

[Shaggy Jenkins]

I have kept quiet about this, as I thought our management team knew best but now I am bloody pissed off. How the 2 of them could not see our def was the weak area, the center especially is beyond me, Ruti is not good enough, James is a waste of a wage and is just taking a wage for lying on a table his whole saints career. Ando and Caff are ok just for backup......and we all know about Left back. But hey its ok we have 10 midfielders and 3 forwards to many

[blueheaven]

Bloody Disgrace, McInness can clear out along with all the injury prone players he's signed.

RIP Saints Title Challenge, time of death 16:07 23/08/08

The Saints title challenge might be dead, but it's good to see the concept of the knee-jerk reaction is alive and well.

[SJC]

Why wait another season to sack him?

It's going to happen sooner or later anyway, may as well get it over with now.

[Shibbydoo]

A disgrace!!!

Time yet though...keep the faith.

Hard though innit?

[supersaint44]

3-0 Feck Sake!!!!!

[blueheaven]

Why wait another season to sack him?

It's going to happen sooner or later anyway, may as well get it over with now.

Why stop there? We could just sack his successor while we're at it as well. It would save the club a lot of money on wages, after all - they could just invite applications, hold a series of interviews, find the man they want and then tell him he's sacked.

[RINTELN SAINT]

3 nil

[rammsteinally]

3 nil

[Shaggy Jenkins]

I take it the next concert at McD will be entitled The Fat Lady Sings?

[SJC]

If we actually bothered to get a manager with some sort of track records rather than just appoint the oldest member of the playing staff we might have a better chance.

That's 3-0 now ffs!

[Shibbydoo]

How bad is this?

I was so hopeful this season too, we'll be fighting relegation at this rate.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

OH For Fux Sake. That is not just poor that actually is unacceptable. Without being big headed in this division back to back defeats of that nature should not happen to a club like us with our 'apparent' ambitions

[RINTELN SAINT]

4 nil

[rammsteinally]

'@&*^%$£ what the hell

[SJC]

Four Nil, get him out the club now!

[Shibbydoo]

Are we down to 9 men or something???

[injured saint]

thats bad are we that bad

[Shibbydoo]

We want 5! We want 5!

[SavotheGreat]

Four Nil, get him out the club now!

Get a grip! *rolls eyes*

[Emma]

What the F***!! aaggghhhh

[SJC]

McInness made 7 changes, yet we still get pumped, players are being played out of position, he has signed absolute shite this year.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

http://www.evula.org/dragoon/pics/cat-shock.jpg

[blueheaven]

If we actually bothered to get a manager with some sort of track records rather than just appoint the oldest member of the playing staff we might have a better chance.

Probably true, but if the club are going to make the decision to appoint a first-timer, they then need to be willing to give him a chance, learn his trade and make mistakes. You can't expect a young manager not to go through bad periods. You can't appoint a novice and then sack him straight away because, surprise surprise, everything doesn't go perfectly... that's the sort of ridiculous thing Celtic do. We gave Paul Sturrock his first chance and it took him years to get things right. Saints didn't sack Sturrock after Stenhousmuir, and they won't sack McInnes now.

The question isn't whether McInnes will get some awful results, because it's inevitable that he will - the question is whether he's good enough to learn from his mistakes and turn things around.

[SavotheGreat]

Pre season was a joke and its just carried on. We were lucky against Livingston.
The "best attack in the division" couldn't score in a bag of fannies and it helps if there is some sort of defence to keep the ball out.
The deadline is very near and the team is shite

Its four games in and you're embarassing yourself.

The squad is new, the people at the club are new and yes, they may cock it up grand style. But only two weeks ago the majority of this support (myself not being one of them) were all declaring: "in Del we trust". I don't trust him, I don't distrust him, but I will give him more than four fooking weeks! *insert *** smiley thing here*

[SavotheGreat]

So you are pleased at this performance?

Of course he's not pleased, FFS. You think you hurt more than everyone else?

We are all disappointed but some of us have rational, logical bones in our bodies! We aren't all of us knees and jerks you know ;)

[inex]

4-0?

[blueheaven]

So you are pleased at this performance?

I'm not at the game so I have no idea what the performance is like, but of course I'm not pleased. I've never said anything to suggest that I am. Is it madness to say that a young, first time manager might actually need a bit of time to learn the job and get things right?

[rammsteinally]

apparantly we are looking better now but we still don't look like scoring. particks goals were all great shots
not much comfort that

[St Mikey]

Its four games in and you're embarassing yourself.

The squad is new, the people at the club are new and yes, they may cock it up grand style. But only two weeks ago the majority of this support (myself not being one of them) we all declaring: "in Del we trust". I don't trust him, I don't distrust him, but I will give him more than three fooking weeks! *insert *** smiley thing here*

Get feckin real mate! If your happy with the current 4-0 humping against a team we really should walk over then I suggest you, and other fans alike, get lost and watch Forfar or Montrose.

How much more crap playing are we going to have to put up with.

"In Del we trust" what a load of crap when you get humped 3-0 one week and 4 or more the next. New team yes but surely they work on this in training and during pre-season.

Played 4 and 4 points = unacceptable. Dundee top with 10. How many season do we have to play catch up.

THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR CLUB. GEOFF GET THE CHEQUE BOOK OUT AND STOP LOOKING FOR DIDDY FREE AGENTS!

[SJC]

We shouldn't be appointing young managers, we need someone capable of winning a league!

We don't know if McInness will eventually be capable of doing that, but the investment in taking a few years to find that out isn't worth it.

If he is capable, he'll be off to another club as quick as he shows ability as a manager.

[St Mikey]

apparantly we are looking better now but we still don't look like scoring. particks goals were all great shots
not much comfort that


Good shots fair enough, pity we don't shoot. You don't get 4 wonder goals in one game unless the opposition allows you time.

[blueheaven]

Get feckin real mate! If your happy with the current 4-0 humping against a team we really should walk over then I suggest you, and other fans alike, get lost and watch Forfar or Montrose.

Where did he say he was happy with it?? Those who are expecting Derek McInnes to be a perfect manager when he's still cutting his teeth in the job are the ones who need to "get real".

[SavotheGreat]

Get feckin real mate! If your happy with the current 4-0 humping against a team we really should walk over then I suggest you, and other fans alike, get lost and watch Forfar or Montrose.

How much more crap playing are we going to have to put up with.

"In Del we trust" what a load of crap when you get humped 3-0 one week and 4 or more the next. New team yes but surely they work on this in training and during pre-season.

THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR CLUB. GEOFF GET THE CHEQUE BOOK OUT AND STOP LOOKING FOR DIDDY FREE AGENTS!

I look forward to your equally unrational retort four weeks down the line when things are going "well". I'm sure it will sound something like: "In Del we trust".

The scary thing is, this kind of mentality is seen as logical by a fair share of our support. Its a product of the MTV-must-have-everything-immediately philosophy on life. Quite disturbing really.

[SJC]

McInnes should be cutting his teeth at a team like Brechin, not a team with top flight aspirations.

He has signed absolute garbage, and kept players who are past it.

[SavotheGreat]

Where did he say he was happy with it?? Those who are expecting Derek McInnes to be a perfect manager when he's still cutting his teeth in the job are the ones who need to "get real".

I wouldn't bother, he clearly hurts more than everyone else. He clearly knows best ;)

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Yeah its not time to get on Dels back but he has made some pretty major basic error in judgment regarding the defense, which is a worry. What is also a worry after loosing 3-0 you would hopefully be expecting a bit of a reaction to get back to winning ways, not a total capitulation, which the score suggests. We bottled it at Morton and now it looks to of smashed

[blueheaven]

We shouldn't be appointing young managers, we need someone capable of winning a league!

We don't know if McInness will eventually be capable of doing that, but the investment in taking a few years to find that out isn't worth it.

If he is capable, he'll be off to another club as quick as he shows ability as a manager.

The problem is, we're in too poor a position to attract an experienced manager who is actually any good. Our best chance of getting a good manager is probably by doing what we're doing - taking a chance on an experienced player who has shown some promise as a coach and has a good attitude.

Experience is fine, but a lot of experienced managers are rubbish. Just look at Billy Stark. We've appointed all sorts of kinds of managers over recent years - we've had the supposedly "respected name", we've had the returning club legend, we've had the young outsider, and now we've got the veteran player from our own team being given a chance. None of them have managed to get us promoted. Who could we appoint that would be guaranteed to be "capable" of winning the league??? Perhaps McInnes is capable - give the guy a fair chance and we might find out.

[injured saint]

4-0 ft

[RINTELN SAINT]

full time 4 nil

[Mikey]

4 nil final

[SavotheGreat]

McInnes should be cutting his teeth at a team like Brechin, not a team with top flight aspirations.

He has signed absolute garbage, and kept players who are past it.

How exactly has he signed garbage?

Are you saying Morris is a "garbage" signing? Swankie? Millar?

Have you denounced these players from the start or did you approve initially?

[SavotheGreat]

I agree...and I was actually going to go and watch Montrose today. :)

Did Montrose win today? If so perhaps you should, it seems winning consistently and immediate success is what you desire most.

[SavotheGreat]

ok, well done Saints.

Unluck lads....can't wait to get rolled over from Clyde.

Some attitude you have there. Away and support Montrose.

[inex]

3-0 and 4-0 suggests some serious problems, which ever way you look at it.

Something is not working, whether it is the players, the manager or the tactics/system.

Take your pick.

[SJC]

Blueheaven, you always mention Billy Stark when someone moans about a current manager!

That was a mistake too, again he was a respected figure but hadn't actually done much as a manager.

Shipping 7 goals in 2 games against Dunfermline and Partick should set alarm bells off at the very least, time doesn't necessarily heal all woods, the entire squad, with the exception of Chris Miller are either too old, too badly injured or just pish.

[SavotheGreat]

3-0 and 4-0 suggests some serious problems, which ever way you look at it.


True. Let the RATIONAL debate begin...

[SJC]

True. Let the RATIONAL debate begin...


Aye, sack McInnes!

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Calamatis (sp) defending and lacked cutting edge from the report on telly

[SJC]

We brought in Chris Miller, one of the better players in the league.

Christ on a bike if you think that Derek Holmes, McLean or Swankie are the best players in the league you are well off the mark!

[blueheaven]

Blueheaven, you always mention Billy Stark when someone moans about a current manager!

Yup - I do when I think it's relevant. I just mentioned all of our other recent managers too.

Shipping 7 goals in 2 games against Dunfermline and Partick should set alarm bells off at the very least, time doesn't necessarily heal all woods, the entire squad, with the exception of Chris Miller are either too old, too badly injured or just pish.

I'm not saying I think these results are good or that I'm not pissed off by them. What I am saying is that it's frankly ridiculous to suggest sacking McInnes at this stage. Whether or not it was a mistake to appoint him, he's in the job now and deserves a fair chance to get things right. I've seen and heard a lot of good things from McInnes since he was appointed - a couple of bad results don't just cancel that out. A bit of perspective is needed, instead of the usual nonsense whereby a lot of people on the forum seem to think we're title certs whenever we win a game, and that the manager needs to be shot in the face, stuffed into a bag and kicked off a cliff whenever we lose.

[St Mikey]

True. Let the RATIONAL debate begin...

Ok. See my previous posts.

http://www.weareperth.co.uk/vforum/showthread.php?t=6953

Main in goal who is past it?

Poor defending for the whole league campaign so far? Ross County, Dunfy, Partick.

Too many midfielders but playing in wrong positions. About 9 in total.

Who to play up front for punt and chase on the big boy wee boy or genuine talent. Ie, Holmes and Savo or Jacko and Peaso?

Left back still unresolved - Dan Smith has now played the maximum games as a trialist?!?

WE NEED 2 New centre backs asap, loan or permanent but not on free agent?!?!?

[St Mikey]

Aye, sack McInnes!


Boil dooon saaaan gie yer sel a coronary:)

[saint in exile]

It ain`t rocket science.We have too many midfielders and not enough defenders.Doh!

[SJC]

We'll all know sooner or later whether this is a blip, or if we are actually complete guff.

If results and performances don't improve significantly and quickly then McInnes should be sacked.

[SavotheGreat]

We'll all know sooner or later whether this is a blip, or if we are actually complete guff.

So why the knee-jerk reaction then? You acknowledge that it will take time, go with that.

[blueheaven]

We'll all know sooner or later whether this is a blip, or if we are actually complete guff.

If results and performances don't improve significantly and quickly then McInnes should be sacked.

So you don't want him sacked now any more then? Thank God you're not in charge of the club - you'd have just sacked and re-appointed the same manager within the space of one hour.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Shocking today, simply appauling
That was the worst display ive EVER witnessed, truely awful

No effort,no talent, nothing
the players should be ashamed, and donate their weekly wage to charity as that was terrible, what a waste of £15

Millar showed some effort and Holmes looked decent when he came on

As for Mcinnes I dont know where this leaves him, team had no formation no structure and seems to have no clue whats going on
tactics are awful, punt followed by punt with no invention

A trip back to the Connelly years - awful am so angry

[St Mikey]

We'll all know sooner or later whether this is a blip, or if we are actually complete guff.

If results and performances don't improve significantly and quickly then McInnes should be sacked.

Football Manager is a high pressured job. I am in agreement that the results tell if the manager has performed to the criteria of the board and I think Geoff may have a word considering the below-par start to this season.

Nobody knows what targets he was given at the start of the season but 4 points out of 12 was probably something that would be deemed "not acceptable"

CMON SAINTS GET A GRIP AND SHOW THE SUPPORTERS SOME GUTS AND FIGHT. NOBODY WANTS TO PAY £300 A YEAR FOR A SEASON TICKET TO SEE GUFF!!:evil::twisted::evil:

[SJC]

I do want McInnes sacked now, but there is no chance of that happening therefore we'll have to wait and see what happens, however if results and performances don't improve significantly then he will have to go!

[St Mikey]

Shocking today, simply appauling
That was the worst display ive EVER witnessed, truely awful

A trip back to the Connelly years - awful am so angry

Question is pose Scobby_SJFC would be:

Was it worse that against Dunfermline last week??

That was the worst i've seen for years.

[Bruno Strasser]

Afraid it looks like last week was not "just a bad day at the Office" then. I think we have been kidding ourselves over the last couple of seasons. Doing the business in one off cup games but not having what it takes over the course of a season in the league. Midfield has been a consistent problem going back to when Owen Coyle was still here. Still new players often take a while to bed in and perhaps Millar, McKoy will help us turn the corner. Definitely think that some players are definitely entering the end of their careers and we are now entering a transitional period when the likes of James - Injuries, Sheerin - lack of pace, Main - 40 +, MacDonald - not able for the full 90 mins will have to be replaced. Looks like next season for me though waht league we will be challenging for remains to be seen:cry:

[SavotheGreat]

Football Manager is a high pressured job. I am in agreement that the results tell if the manager has performed to the criteria of the board and I think Geoff may have a word considering the below-par start to this season.

Nobody knows what targets he was given at the start of the season but 4 points out of 12 was probably something that would be deemed "not acceptable"

CMON SAINTS GET A GRIP AND SHOW THE SUPPORTERS SOME GUTS AND FIGHT. NOBODY WANTS TO PAY £300 A YEAR FOR A SEASON TICKET TO SEE GUFF!!:evil::twisted::evil:

They lost a game so that means they weren't showing any guts or fight? They lose a game and are automatically branded as cowards? You weren't even there so really are in no position to make such an assumption.

Demanding immediate success is equivalent to what many a football supporter would call "glory hunting". Perhaps one of the OF would be a suitable alternative for any individual who believes that immediate success can be achieved with anything other than a substantial financial investment or a certain amount of good luck.

[St Mikey]

They lost a game so that means they weren't showing any guts or fight? They lose a game and are automatically branded as cowards? You weren't even there so really are in no position to make such an assumption.

Demanding immediate success is equivalent to what many a football supporter would call "glory hunting". Perhaps one of the OF would be a suitable alternative for any individual who believes that immediate success can be achieved with anything other than a substantial financial investment or a certain amount of good luck.

Get real. If you read posts instead of assuming things. They showed no dig, drive or desire against Dunfermline last week and it continued on.

I dunno where you are getting the demands for immediate success, hardly when we have been seeking promotion seriously for the last 3 seasons.

Assumptions make an ass of me and you, but mainly you - was I not at the game today??????

[SJC]

Aye, we're all Glory Hunters following St Johnstone!

What's wrong with a couple of pumpings from Dunfermline and Partick? We should let McInnes do whatever he wants and not call for action against him when we are clearly struggling.

After all, giving him time will obviously make us capable of winning the league as he has claimed we are already capable of again and again.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Question is pose Scobby_SJFC would be:

Was it worse that against Dunfermline last week??

That was the worst i've seen for years.

I wasnt at the Dumf game due to me being away, but it surely cannot be wrse that that!
On that performance it will be midtable at best

Was impressed by PT thought good football and took their goals well, fair play to them

[davie j]

You're right Savo. As promotion contenders, a 3-0 defeat at home followed by a 4-0 away is totally acceptable.

[SavotheGreat]

Aye, we're all Glory Hunters following St Johnstone!


Following St Johnstone doesn't mitigate any possibility of you being a glory hunter.

You are unrational, unwilling to listen to reason and demand immediate success. Sounds like a glory hunter to me. What's worse, sounds more like an OF supporter.

Reality: St Johnstone FC is not a first division powerhouse ;)

[SavotheGreat]

You're right Savo. As promotion contenders, a 3-0 defeat at home followed by a 4-0 away is totally acceptable.

READ. THE. THREAD.

I. AM. NOT. HAPPY. WITH. THE. RESULT.

I'm not shouting and screaming for Del to be hung, drawn and quartered ergo I MUST APPROVE of being defeated 4-0 by Partick Thistle. Aye, right, got ya.

n.b. Self-proclaimed promotion contenders? We have a big stadium ergo we somehow have a right to play in the SPL. Look around. You will see that there are other clubs in this league with facilities just as impressive as those found at McDiarmid. We are not promotion contenders by default, if we are then there should be three or four other sides up there alongside us.

[Broon]

That was absoulutely disgraceful from Saints today. Derek McInnes should be sending every single one of us poor buggers a refund for that pish because HE was completly at fault.

Last week our midfield was completely outfought and overrun. This week, he sticks a 3 man midfield out and it happened again. Instead of changing things though we finished the game with the same formation as we started. Let me list the mistakes the manager made today.


Rusty was a complete bombscare yet he didn't sub him until we were 2-0 down.
We SHOULD have been down 4-0 at half-time if it wasn't for poor finishing and good goalkeeping. Yet NO subs until we were 2-0 down.
Savo was pish and Sameul was lazy yet he subs Peaso and keeps the same formation. Pointless.
Instead of taking Samuel off, he takes off a midfielder (Craig) and brings on McCoy. Still no change of formation.


We had no formation today. No tactics. Our players didn't look like they knew what to do. This is the managers fault.

Why did we sign Samuel? We dont need him. Get rid of him, he's lazy and doesnt care. He's not even that good.

The only plus points for me today was McCoy who looks good and Caff who used the ball well and made some good blocks. Main was lobbed for the 1st but pulled off 2 good saves after. Couldn't have done anything about the last 3.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

It ain`t rocket science.We have too many midfielders and not enough defenders.Doh!

why did he panic buy a midfielder this week when a defender was a priority!!!

[SJC]

Savo, you clearly know what you are talking about.

I've been a season ticket holder for 18 years but am a Glory Hunter, obviously not very good at seeking this glory though because I've seen bugger all of it recently.

Getting pumped by other average teams in the league is obviously acceptable though, things will get better by doing absolutely nothing different.

We'll go on to win the league from here.

Your rationality both susprises and humbles me, thank you for allowing me to share a thread with one of the great minds of our generation.

However, your powers of thought are clearly wasted here, I suggest you contact the heads of world government with any ideas on how to control disease, global warming and water scarcity.

If we continue to follow your advice and do nothing then all our problems will dissapear!

Why didn't anyone think of that before?

You are truly a king among men, why take any form of action when problems will always sort themselves given a bit of time.

[mainstand]

well it will be interesting to see some of the comments on here now. From last weeks reaction there was:

DROP JAMES - Due to injury theis was done.
BRING BACK MAIN - DONE
DROP IRVINE - DONE
DROP SHEERIN - DONE
PLAY PEASO - DONE
PLAY ANDO - DONE

So the manager does just that and we go out today and get beat 4-0.

Having been at the game I think we should have been pressing there forwards in teh box a lot more, but of teh 4 goals 3 were identical and were in the top corner. We had chances but don't look like we can buy a goal at the moment. If I had one criticism I think Del is maybe just too attack minded in his set up and should have went withna 4-4-2 instead of a 4-3-3.

Disappointment of teh match was Colin Samuels who really is not the player I thought he would be.

Clown of teh day is teh numpty taht threw his scarf onto teh pitch. Teh saddest thing was that he had 2 wee kids with him, what an example to set!!

There is always next week :-)

[Broon]

why did he panic buy a midfielder this week when a defender was a priority!!!


Because our Midfield is being overrun in every game. We are far too lightweight and this boy is HUGE! He was on for 15 minutes and won a fair few headers, had his head up when receiving the ball and managed a good effort on goal. Looks like a player - done more in 15 mins that Craig, Hardie and Miller combined in 90.

[Broon]

Just out of curiosity - does anyone know what was wrong with Rusty today? I've never seen him play like that before. It was possible the worst individual performance I have ever seen from a player. I felt really sorry for him because he was trying. Why McInnes left him on so long I have no idea - it was clear from 20 minutes in we had a problem.

[MUZZ]

no comment

[mainstand]

Just out of curiosity - does anyone know what was wrong with Rusty today? I've never seen him play like that before. It was possible the worst individual performance I have ever seen from a player. I felt really sorry for him because he was trying. Why McInnes left him on so long I have no idea - it was clear from 20 minutes in we had a problem.

I think it back was away and he was hiding it. At one point you saw him stretching it,

[SJC]

Rutki hurt his back badly last week, and has been struggling with a back injury since the season started.

It was so bad last week that he was actually struggling to walk at points during the match, I assume that this problem hasn't healed in a week!

[SavotheGreat]

Your rationality both susprises and humbles me, thank you for allowing me to share a thread with one of the great minds of our generation.


No problem.

[Broon]

So McInnes is playing an unfit Ruti? Irvine - Caff- Ando - Smith. We had a perfectly able defence fit to play.

[SJC]

No problem.


A mind capacity only matched by fellow forum great SainteeBrian

[SavotheGreat]

Getting pumped by other average teams in the league is obviously acceptable though, things will get better by doing absolutely nothing different.


Oh FFS, quite the little drama queen, aren't we?

You never just suggested doing something different. You were hellbent on nuking McDiarmind Park.

We've lost one game and you've got your little panties all in a twist.

[SJC]

Get rid of the inexperienced coach and bring someone in who is capable of dealing with agents would be a start!

It'll be alright next week though Savo, you've already explained that one!

We've been pumped in the last 2 games and are now already well behind the leaders, the league is over already, you seem happy enough with this though so we're all in a land of sunshine and happiness.

[Broon]

Oh FFS, quite the little drama queen, aren't we?

You never just suggested doing something different. You were hellbent on nuking McDiarmind Park.

We've lost one game and you've got your little panties all in a twist.

With all due respect Savo - you couldn't come across as more arrogant if you tried.

Saints ARE in trouble this season whether you wan't to stick your head in the sand or not. Having watched every game this season, it is clear McInnes doesn't know his best team or the formation he wants to play. Subsequently, the team doesn't know what tactics they are meant to be playing.

I don't want McInnes sacked, its WAY too early for that. However, I pray he learns quickly because it is very difficult watching shite teams put 3 and 4 goals past you with ease.

[soccer saints]

no comment



I know what your saying Muzz.... I know what your saying :oops:

[mainstand]

Get rid of the inexperienced coach and bring someone in who is capable of dealing with agents would be a start!

It'll be alright next week though Savo, you've already explained that one!

We've been pumped in the last 2 games and are now already well behind the leaders, the league is over already, you seem happy enough with this though so we're all in a land of sunshine and happiness.

WHY?? I think you will find that Coaches don't deal with agents that is down to club officials. ie Stuart Duff and the Board.

[blueheaven]

We've been pumped in the last 2 games and are now already well behind the leaders, the league is over already, you seem happy enough with this though so we're all in a land of sunshine and happiness.

I find it incredible that anyone who has been watching Saints for as long as you say you have can think that the league is over after 4 matches. That really is silly. There are still loads of twists and turns to come - and every team in this division will go through good patches and bad patches.

It's annoying that we've yet again made a poor start to the season, and of course it makes things harder than any of us would have liked, but we've recovered far bigger defecits than the current one in the past.

[Radford 72]

Last week, we were outfought and outclassed but today was much stranger. We just never stood a chance with the way we were set up and the buck has to stop with the manager there. The players clearly aren't blameless but there is only so much they can do when they were sent out with instructions like today. We were totally overloaded on the right (against a left back our manager clearly rates) with no one (apart from Desperate Dan) out left against a right back who the Thistle fans themselves had said isn't brilliant defensively. Samuel hugged the right touchline but had Hardie on his back for the whole of the first half and with Craig virtually invisable, Chris Millar was playing one against three! When McInnes finally changed things, bringing Hardie more central and throwing Holmes on, we at least looked semi-compotent.

Last week, Kirk and Bayne in particular caused us problems but stranglely today Donnelly and Lennon (were the match sponsor's Rangers fan) didn't do nearly as much damage but we still should have been 4-0 down at half-time but for two bad misses from Thistle and one outstanding save from Main. He was totally helpless for the first goal but our defence was a shambles in the lead up to the corner and failed to cover themselves in glory at any of the goals. That's not to say we deserved anything as we created nothing ourselves and were massively second best in midfield. Simon Storey hardly broke sweat at the back and Maxwell and Robertson dealt more than comfortably with anything we could muster.

I keep starting paragraphs by referring to last week and again, I thought the players had to shoulder most of the responsibility against the Pars but so much of it comes down to McInnes today. Not sure anyone deny we have a selection of talented players but they lack any sort of direction at the moment. McInnes has to learn from today ahead of the two matches coming up this week and has to put a side out on Tuesday that has some proper shape to it.

[emptyheed]

I find it incredible that anyone who has been watching Saints for as long as you say you have can think that the league is over after 4 matches. That really is silly. There are still loads of twists and turns to come - and every team in this division will go through good patches and bad patches.

It's annoying that we've yet again made a poor start to the season, and of course it makes things harder than any of us would have liked, but we've recovered far bigger defecits than the current one in the past.

i agree

lets hope mcinnes gets the lads sorted out and get their heads up

i think though he needs 2 learn that we need 2 play 4-4-2 away from home
both hardie and craig were ghosts most of today meaning millar was all over the pitch making up for them

[templeofsaints]

Temple reports up now. That was a total disgrace though. And it's gone beyond the poor start stuff. In both games recently we've looked a very poor side - second to everything, unable to create anything in midfield or up front and a defence that's simply a car crash waiting to happen every week.

I can take poor performances, I can take a lack of skill but we're also seeing a lack of leadership / responsibility on the park and a bunch of players who simply don't look as if they can be bothered. Del made his proclamations earlier in the season that he wanted players to be unhappy if they're dropped and to have to fight for their place in the side - on the last few games (and remember at Stenny we were crap for the best part of an hour), these players couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. Most of the goodwill for the players at the semi etc has vanished - Craig, Ruti and Hardie were being targetted with a lot of abuse today.

Today was shocking - there is no sign that Del is kicking the requisite arses in the dressing room. And while I don't want to see him go, much more of this and I don't think the fans will be backing him.

[templeofsaints]

Samuel hugged the right touchline but had Hardie on his back for the whole of the first half and with Craig virtually invisable, Chris Millar was playing one against three! When McInnes finally changed things, bringing Hardie more central and throwing Holmes on, we at least looked semi-compotent.

I must admit Samuel looked to be totally disinterested today - how many times did he get the ball and either not chase it or else play a hopeful pass and then fail to move for a return. Based on his showings for us this season I'd have given Doris a chance instead.

Hardie is not a winger - WTF wasn't Swankie on - he's the closest we have to a natural winger on the right.

As for Millar, for a lot of the game I felt he was covering for Hardie and Craig who continually failed to pick up Partick players and pressure them in their own half.

[101 Saint]

The worst part of the day, for me, was after their second goal when our players actually played football for 10 minutes and ran the show. The frustration of that cameo is unbelievable. We genuinely have a great squad of talented players, yet majoritively and collectively they are playing bollocks. I am amazed at the criticism of Del as I understood that to be my job.

The previous criticism of Savo harsh.

Del must be given more time, to paraphrase BH he hasn't had enough rope to hang himself. I've slated his signings before so I'll save you the bother; trouble is OC signings/stalwarts were also garbage today, that makes me wonder about Del and his quirky management style. Changing managers now will not help unless the players request it.

[Broon]

I must admit Samuel looked to be totally disinterested today - how many times did he get the ball and either not chase it or else play a hopeful pass and then fail to move for a return. Based on his showings for us this season I'd have given Doris a chance instead.

Hardie is not a winger - WTF wasn't Swankie on - he's the closest we have to a natural winger on the right.

As for Millar, for a lot of the game I felt he was covering for Hardie and Craig who continually failed to pick up Partick players and pressure them in their own half.

Spot on. We lost Miller as an attacking option because he spent the full game running the length and breadth of the pitch chasing Partick players. He had no support at all. Swankie and Davie W would have been better options than Samuel. 2 year deal too - sheesh.

[THE LARK SAINT]

Listen in folks,i have been following saints longer than some of you have been out of nappies, but" i will tell you this boy" Yes saints were crap last week, and by all accounts were the same today(i had something else on and was not there) so have no right to comment on today, but ive seen it all i the 40 odd year roller coaster ride that is the life if a saints fan,ive seen them plummet all the way down the leagues, ive seen the promotions, good days bad days, and yes ive called for managers heads STARK got peltars from me but not untill i i had given him time. We have to stick by del and give him support and if by the middle of next season hes not doing it for us the knives should be out and trust me i will lead the troops with the mcinnes must go protest, but give him some time for christ sake!! 3-0 and 4-0 humpings are never nice, but thats life as a saintee and it makes the 7-2 s v the coags and the 5-0 v the sheep all the sweater!!!!!heads up fellow saintees and roll on the next game , and lets keep that roller coaster going.......

[101 Saint]

Temple reports up now.

Are you a masochist:?::laugh::confused:

I've always been impressed by your constant ability to keep your site updated, but to write a report based on that... hats off to you sir, you're a true Saints legend.

[supersaint44]

Can I just say i wasnt at the game today or last week so i dont know what the situation fully is but from what ive heard it seems i have been proved right and said our mifield is clearly getting out muscled out numbered and out paced all game. Also i meantioned this to people when McInnes signed all these first team players and got rid of the fringe ones tht we would now have a very unsettled team tht would take ages to get a settled first 11. And tht IMO is where the trouble is, the teams isnt a unit. We have too many over confident players in the team Swankie, Samuel, Peaso, Craig to name a few seem to think they only have to go out and they will win the games and tht isnt the case as we have seen. The team needs to work together and strive to win every ball. I see a lot of peoples points tht McInnes has made mistakes but he has also tried to change the team away from the Coyle era, At this moment im really not impressed by him but give him time i doubt he will fix things completly this year but if we stay ok this year we will grow and he will learn from this for next season look at Gareth Southgate, had 2 poor seasons at Middlesbourgh but has made improvements every year and is getting it right. That is what we have to think of McInnes as, a growing and learnign Manager. I mean i heard from Geoff at the Challenge Cup final after the game and when asked "who will replace Coyles?" he said "i dunno but i mean you cant get a better record than 1 game, 1 win, 1 cup" and also " the problem with bringing in a new manager is they will want there own team and to get new players" from tht i got he was going to appoint Stewart till he decided to follow Coyle and hence McInnes got the go ahead. Geoff offered him the job as he was a cheaper option but still a man fit for doing the job. I mena ppl on here saying McInnes should be sacked are nuts, who would take over? There is no one that stands out to take the job, so better nurture a young manager into a success than chop n change till you get a small degree of success.

[templeofsaints]

Are you a masochist:?::laugh::confused:

I've always been impressed by your constant ability to keep your site updated, but to write a report based on that... hats off to you sir, you're a true Saints legend.

Had to stay till the bloody end as well :(

[Rodgers]

my god, i have no words to some up our performance today

but lets just say, its ANOTHER bad day at the office and ALOT of work is needed.

[lampshade]

all i i will say is that was pathetic today,samuel on a two year deal now that is scary, please colin prove me wrong.he is not the only one most of them were crap

[Rodgers]

all i i will say is that was pathetic today,samuel on a two year deal now that is scary, please colin prove me wrong.he is not the only one most of them were crap


there was another 10 baffoons on the pitch!

samuel was no way the worst!

[Pablo]

Last week was bad. This week was, strange.... Last week I was totally raging with a piss poor performance whereas maybe this week I was expecting it??

[Brian Potter]

Where to begin?

From the first half against Morton where I was delighted at how well we played to that shambles in a couple of weeks! Scary!

I know its early in the season but the last two games have again highlighted that we have players who are not good enough to be playing for us!

I dont know where we go from here!

[THE REBEL SAINT]

there was another 10 baffoons on the pitch!

samuel was no way the worst!

your right rodgers theres 11 players in a team

:p

[Pablo]

One thing that was the same this week as last, was the fact that the opposition were first to EVERY ball. If it's a case that the players are disinterested, there's a big problem there...

[Saint Chaz]

Where to start with that? Well FWIW I think it's too early to be completely writing off Samuel, admitedlly he didn't have a good game today but he showed flashes and I think to get the best out of him it would be good to actually give him some decent service. The jury is still out for me.

Have to agree that tactically Del got it wrong today, I actually thought it was correct to try dropping Irvine and put Ando at right back to stiffen the defence up. Ando played well there however the fact that Rusty had SUCH a complete nightmare meant he had to change it.

Much as a lot of it was poor defending, it was midfield the game was lost. As numerous people before me have said, there was no shape. It did seem like Millar was trying to cover far too much ground with Hardie stuck out wide. I thought Craig was our best player the end of last season and I wont judge him on the games he's played out of position but the last 2 he's been back in midfield and just doesn't look like the same player at all.

Where do we go from here? I hope Del knows, it's clear we need a new system that the players actually know what they're supposed to be doing. Also with it looking like James isn't going to shake injury, we need another leader. I know people have slated the idea and I wasn't keen at first but Steven Pressley anyone??

[Radford 72]

Last week was bad. This week was, strange.... Last week I was totally raging with a piss poor performance whereas maybe this week I was expecting it??
Totally the same feeling mate. Can't get angry about that shambles today, I've laughed more than anything else! Mind you, I predicted 3-0 in the Prediction League so was maybe prepared for it!

I think it's quite encouraging that there's not been a massive over-reaction from those at the game. We all recognise that McInnes got things wrong big style but sacking him won't get us anywhere. If you sack a manager who has put his own squad together after just a few games, you aren't going to get a good reaction from those players IMO.

[Broon]

Totally the same feeling mate. Can't get angry about that shambles today, I've laughed more than anything else! Mind you, I predicted 3-0 in the Prediction League so was maybe prepared for it!

I think it's quite encouraging that there's not been a massive over-reaction from those at the game. We all recognise that McInnes got things wrong big style but sacking him won't get us anywhere. If you sack a manager who has put his own squad together after just a few games, you aren't going to get a good reaction from those players IMO.


Sometimes anger and calling for the managers head is a good thing though mate. It means people are still passionate and care. I think we were that bad today though that apathy has crept into some of our fans for the first time in ages. My wife text me today asking how I was (normally I'm a miserable git after Saints losing). My response was "I don't care, why should I care if the players don't". I've never felt like that after a game. I honestly couldn't give a shit about the current group of imposters.

I respond to players who try. Players who have passion. I was planning on going on Tuesday - no chance will I be there now. I suspect our crowds are about to disappear if the team don't start trying harder.

[Saint Chaz]

I'll still be there on Tuesday, we cant be that bad 3 games on the trot surely!!

I know it's been said before but, INDIVIDUALLY - we have a lot of good players, problem being they just aren't playing as any sort of unit. I'm convinced the current players can turn it around but only if given some sort of direction from management.

Over to you Del.

[Broon]

Have we been duped into believing we have a team of good players? Are they really that good? I'm starting to doubt it.

[Calypso Kid]

I blame the catering.

[Calypso Kid]

Have we been duped into believing we have a team of good players? Are they really that good? I'm starting to doubt it.

That went through my head earlier.

[Saint Chaz]

Have we been duped into believing we have a team of good players? Are they really that good? I'm starting to doubt it.

After the last couple of performances, I see where you're coming from but yes I still believe we have individuals who are capable. I would say Millar looks a good signing for instance, The jury is still out on Samuel although I am a little concerned about his attitude possibly. McCoy looks like he could be a good signing from what I seen today. Morris still to come back

We have several capable options up front IMO.

Need at LEAST a new centre half in defence though

[Invernessaint]

Have we been duped into believing we have a team of good players? Are they really that good? I'm starting to doubt it.

I think this hits the nail on the head - yes we do have a few very good players, Swankie, Samuel, Holmes, Millar and so on. However, other teams also have good players who are probably just as good as the ones we have. I think many have not appreciated this or fallen under the spell of those who believe our collection of players is the best in the league. Also do not underestimate those teams that make up for lack of individual stars with a collective work ethic and a togertheness that puts our bunch to shame. That has been the case now for the past 5 seasons - you need grit, determination, resilience and a unit that plays for each other to get out of this league. Why has our board and management team not woken up to this yet? St.Mirren, Falkirk, Hamilton have all gained promotion by putting out teams that will fight and fight and encourage each other all the way to the league title. A number of Jags fans have already pointed out that our players today were squabbling with each other and that was certainly evident last week as well. It does not bode well!

[SJC]

I completely agree with everyone who has said I am overreacting in calling for McInnes to be sacked, however, this is still my opinion.

I can see a complete apathy creeping into both the players and crowd, I can say I am not angry that we lost today, it was always going to be a loss.

What angers me is McInnes and some of the senior players going on all pre season about how strong we were, how a good start was important and how this season would be different to the previous few.

We were going to hit the ground running, instead we now have a situation where the players are shouting at each other on the pitch and McInnes does not know how to change his formation.

He changed the players but still used the same bloody stupid formation.

So, what does he do now put the players who he dropped back in and see what happens? He doesn't know what he is doing!

Get rid of the clown!

[Saint Chaz]

I completely agree with everyone who has said I am overreacting in calling for McInnes to be sacked, however, this is still my opinion.

I can see a complete apathy creeping into both the players and crowd, I can say I am not angry that we lost today, it was always going to be a loss.

What angers me is McInnes and some of the senior players going on all pre season about how strong we were, how a good start was important and how this season would be different to the previous few.

We were going to hit the ground running, instead we now have a situation where the players are shouting at each other on the pitch and McInnes does not know how to change his formation.

He changed the players but still used the same bloody stupid formation.

So, what does he do now put the players who he dropped back in and see what happens? He doesn't know what he is doing!

Get rid of the clown!

Yeah that will solve everything right enough, I hope Geoff is reading this, he probably didn't realise there was such a simple solution

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Which Saintee said the following this week:

Long gone are the days of trips to FourNil for the Perth faithful

Sorry mate, I couldn't help it.

What can I say about St Johnstone?

Error-prone defence
Invisible midfield
Shot-shy attack (although that's more to do with the poor performance of the men in the middle)

We won the game because we pressed your men when they had the ball and found ours when it was in our possession.

The gut next to me kept going on about how bad Saints were when we were two up and I kept reminding him of the first league meeting between the sides last year. However, it became apparent as the second half wore on that the current Saints side doesn't have the fight or the nous to carry out such a comeback.

Liam Craig had an absolute stinker. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it's the worst individual performance I've witnessed at Firhill in a long time.

Good to meet the Ghost, though.

The worst part of the day, for me, was after their second goal when our players actually played football for 10 minutes and ran the show.
That usually happens when a team goes behind. We said after the second goal went in that we'd need to weather the initial storm.

[mainstand]

I completely agree with everyone who has said I am overreacting in calling for McInnes to be sacked, however, this is still my opinion.

I can see a complete apathy creeping into both the players and crowd, I can say I am not angry that we lost today, it was always going to be a loss.

What angers me is McInnes and some of the senior players going on all pre season about how strong we were, how a good start was important and how this season would be different to the previous few.

We were going to hit the ground running, instead we now have a situation where the players are shouting at each other on the pitch and McInnes does not know how to change his formation.

He changed the players but still used the same bloody stupid formation.

So, what does he do now put the players who he dropped back in and see what happens? He doesn't know what he is doing!

Get rid of the clown!

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[Saint Chaz]

The gut next to me kept going on about how bad Saints were when we were two up and I kept reminding him of the first league meeting between the sides last year. However, it became apparent as the second half wore on that the current Saints side doesn't have the fight or the nous to carry out such a comeback.

Yeah cos you can tell that from watching part of one game

Liam Craig had an absolute stinker. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it's the worst individual performance I've witnessed at Firhill in a long time.

Have to agree with you there, was poor last week as well. He is a great player though and given the right direction will come good

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Yeah cos you can tell that from watching part of one game

Pardon?

I sat and watched the full 90 minutes, do you think I'd have missed any of that?

Your team showed no fight today whatsoever. Your response to the pummelling you were taking was to bring on a big lad and pump high balls to him. The hints at a lack of creativity and tactical ineptitude to me.

[SaintSam1884]

I'd be inclined to agree with you Mainstand. It's not as if McInnes didn't manage this side for a major chunk of last season and a lot of those players are still here. We know that players like Irvine, Rutkiewicz, Jackson and Craig are good players that didn't go through a near full season last year just pretending. The ability is there and I genuinely believe once the side settles down that results and performances will begin to improve. We know McInnes and we know these players. We also know that each and every signing he made has something to offer.

I would criticise McInnes for a couple of things though - the players don't look as fit as their counterparts in the Dunfermline and Partick Thistle sides respectively do. We looks yards behind the sort of pace games are being played at in this league at the moment. We no longer have the excuse of having a genuinely slow team. A lot of these players can run, but have not looked in peak physical condition. Secondly, I think that we shouldn't have to wait for a side to still be "gelling" four games into a new season. It seems to be the way with us though. We indentified a good start as a priority and have failed objective number one.

Interestingly, we have gained the same number of points from our first four league games so far this season as we did in our first four games last season. Worryingly though, I believe Dundee have also. And didn't we all say - all year last year - that the league was lost in the opening matches?

I like McInnes - so lets keep behind him.

[SaintSam1884]

The hints at a lack of creativity and tactical ineptitude to me.

Kenny Deuchar?

I thought bringing on Holmes was the correct decision from McInnes. We instantly looked a bit better. Which is surely the point of introducing a substitute.

[Saint Chaz]

Pardon?

I sat and watched the full 90 minutes, do you think I'd have missed any of that?

Your team showed no fight today whatsoever. Your response to the pummelling you were taking was to bring on a big lad and pump high balls to him. The hints at a lack of creativity and tactical ineptitude to me.

You said: as the 2nd half wore on i.e before the full 90 was played. Granted even after 90 mins you'd be entitled to that opinion, however I dont think you can determine from just one game with 32 still to play that we wont come back.

It will be a long season with plenty twists and turns

[Jags Ya Bas!]

It's not as if McInnes didn't manage this side for a major chunk of last season and a lot of those players are still here...I genuinely believe once the side settles down that results and performances will begin to improve.
Sam, as you've said, McInnes did manage the side for a significant chunk of last season and many of your players - key players, I might add - are still here. How long should they need to settle?

We're in the same boat. We have the same manager as last year and the squad's been boosted by a couple of additions, but we ran you completely ragged today.

Why have we settled and yopu haven't? Where does the buck stop?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

You said: as the 2nd half wore on i.e before the full 90 was played. Granted even after 90 mins you'd be entitled to that opinion, however I dont think you can determine from just one game with 32 still to play that we wont come back.

I didn't say I thought that with 32 minutes to play. That seems to be a number you've magically plucked from the air. If you look at my original post you'll also see that I said, thinking back to last season, that I was worried about a potential comeback. However, I think it was fairly obvious to everyone who attended today's match that your team is lacking in fight.

[Pablo]

Kenny Deuchar?

I thought bringing on Holmes was the correct decision from McInnes. We instantly looked a bit better. Which is surely the point of introducing a substitute.

We actually looked more like scoring after Sherlock came on. The big question (or one of the big questions) for next week will be who does he start up front. Looks like Sherlock should get a starting jersey?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Kenny Deuchar?

I didn't see as many games as you did last season (obviously), but I didn't think you were a one dimensional side with Deuchar leading your attack.

[Saint Chaz]

I didn't say I thought that with 32 minutes to play. That seems to be a number you've magically plucked from the air. If you look at my original post you'll also see that I said, thinking back to last season, that I was worried about a potential comeback. However, I think it was fairly obvious to everyone who attended today's match that your team is lacking in fight.

I meant judge on one game with 32 GAMES still to play, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

There is no denying we were poor today. We have plenty time to turn it round though and I for one am confident we will. Whether or not it will be enough to win the league or not, only time will tell.

The fact we were lacking in fight is one of many things Del has to address urgently

[SaintSam1884]

Sam, as you've said, McInnes did manage the side for a significant chunk of last season and many of your players - key players, I might add - are still here. How long should they need to settle?

We're in the same boat. We have the same manager as last year and the squad's been boosted by a couple of additions, but we ran you completely ragged today.

Why have we settled and yopu haven't? Where does the buck stop?

Although most of last seasons squad is still intact, the team that we're fielding week in, week out, is neither entirely the same as last season nor the same on a weekly basis. Too many changes - some forced, some not but all really beginning to cause problems. McInnes needs to work on settling his selections, and that in turn should allow the team to start playing better as a unit.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

I meant judge on one game with 32 GAMES still to play, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

When I said comeback I meant 'go on to draw the game', I wasn't talking about your prospects over the entire season.

Although most of last seasons squad is still intact, the team that we're fielding week in, week out, is neither entirely the same as last season nor the same on a weekly basis. Too many changes - some forced, some not but all really beginning to cause problems. McInnes needs to work on settling his selections, and that in turn should allow the team to start playing better as a unit.
Okay, so we've established that the buck stops with McInnes. That's all I wanted to know.

[scotty gordon]

Why Does Del Not Start With Swankie He Is One Of Our Best Players?????????????????????????????

[Dundeederryboy]

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