#07 - 26/08/08 - Livingston (a) - Co-Op Insurance Cup

[Radford 72]

First month of the season draws to a close after Tuesday's game and I don't think anyone would have envisaged us having such a poor start, even with a below par pre-season.

I'm expecting a big reaction from the manager and players against a team we've already beaten this season but who have since picked up some decent form.

A decision obviously has to be taken on Dan Smith so I won't mention a left back but the rest of my side would be:

Main

Irvine - Anderson - McCaffrey - ???

Millar - McKoy - Hardie - Swankie

Holmes - Milne/Jackson

[templeofsaints]

First month of the season draws to a close after Tuesday's game and I don't think anyone would have envisaged us having such a poor start, even with a below par pre-season.

I'm expecting a big reaction from the manager and players against a team we've already beaten this season but who have since picked up some decent form.

A decision obviously has to be taken on Dan Smith so I won't mention a left back but the rest of my side would be:

Main

Irvine - Anderson - McCaffrey - ???

Millar - McKoy - Hardie - Swankie

Holmes - Milne/Jackson

Put Millar in the middle instead of Hardie, Swankie on the right and Sheerin on the left and that would be my preferred choice. I assume if Smith isn't signed we'll have Craig in at left-back?

[StDuncM]

Main will be exhausted and exasperated after yesterday so I reckon McLean will come in to let Main get over it. I think Smith will be signed and Del will play some players not getting a regular match. They could do no worse.

Incidentally, if they were not called in today for extra training, I really would ask the question, why not?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

here I go again.....4-3-2-1

Main

Irvine,Ando,McCaffery,Sheerin


Millar,McKoy,Swankie

Weatherston....................................... ..........................................Savo

Holmes

Subs.McLean,Hardie,Peaso,Jackson,Craig

[Southpaw]

here I go again.....4-3-2-1

Main

Irvine,Ando,McCaffery,Smith


Millar,McKoy,Sheerin

Savo.............................................. .......................................Swankie.

Holmes

Subs.McLean,Hardie,Weatherston,Peaso,Jackson.

I'll assume Smith doesn't sign so I'll go for.....

Main
Irvine, Ando, Caff, Sheerin
Millar, Hardie. McKoy, Craig
Savo, Jacko

Best of luck boys!!

[Radford 72]

Put Millar in the middle instead of Hardie, Swankie on the right and Sheerin on the left and that would be my preferred choice. I assume if Smith isn't signed we'll have Craig in at left-back?
I just feel Millar can get a bit swamped in the middle and has a bit more room out on the right. Admittedly it's maybe harder to track his runs from the centre but as good a player as he is, he was just bullied out of the game yesterday. I think we need to stick with Hardie as well (in the centre) as he's a key player and we need him to regain some form. It's for the same reason I'd contemplate maybe starting Jacko.

I know Swankie has said he's happy to play on the right (and is right footed) but for me we need to work on getting the best out of him down the left as it seems to be his primary position. Wouldn't be upset if he starts on the right though. Wouldn't have Liam Craig near my midfield on Tuesday but it's six and two three's between him and Sheerin for left back.

For me, the really key thing is we just get back to basics with regards formation. Nothing wrong with playing a 4-4-2 that has a ball winner and an attacking threat in the centre of midfield, some natural width and a big man/fast man partnership up front. If you took an aerial picture of the way we were lining up yesterday, a monkey could tell you it was ridiculous.

[Cagey]

here I go again.....4-3-2-1

Main

Irvine,Ando,McCaffery,Smith


Millar,McKoy,Sheerin

Savo.............................................. .......................................Swankie.

Holmes

Subs.McLean,Hardie,Weatherston,Peaso,Jackson.

I would go with that but I would give Wheatherston a shot on the right instead of Savo.

Nothing against Savo but I think we need the width , a couple of guys that can get crosses in for Holmes & also protect the full backs which most teams now know is our problem & where most of the goals are coming from.

[ancientsaint]

main

mcaffrey

irvine ando smith (craig)

Miller mcoy sheerin


swankie jacko milne



Mcaff sweeping up behind back 3

[mainstand]

main

mcaffrey

irvine ando smith (craig)

Miller mcoy sheerin


swankie jacko milne



Mcaff sweeping up behind back 3

Playing a sweeper behind a back 3? If you are looking at a sweeper would you not be better with a 2 both picking up and supported by 2 wingbacks. Otherwise your 3 defenders are going to get drawn in and leave room up the flanks. Just a thought?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Playing a sweeper behind a back 3? If you are looking at a sweeper would you not be better with a 2 both picking up and supported by 2 wingbacks. Otherwise your 3 defenders are going to get drawn in and leave room up the flanks. Just a thought?

Hey!!!! You sound like you really know what your talking about Mainstand ( or can we call you Del:laugh:).If you can also do the mad hand signals, be unable to find a decent left back and kick the odd water bottle over in rage ,YOU could be our next boss, but beware, if you get off to a shite start we,ll rip the piss out of you and demand your head on a plate....:laugh:

[mainstand]

Hey!!!! You sound like you really know what your talking about Mainstand ( or can we call you Del:laugh:).If you can also do the mad hand signals, be unable to find a decent left back and kick the odd water bottle over in rage ,YOU could be our next boss, but beware, if you get off to a shite start we,ll rip the piss out of you and demand your head on a plate....:laugh:

My young team do that to me at the moment!! :-)

[O'Rourke]

Davie W must start. If I was him and didn't get the nod after the last 2 games I'd get the message and go and pack my bags.

[StDuncM]

There is no way that we will perform like we have done against the Pars and the Jags and the team to suffer will be Livingston on Tuesday. We will score for fun. I predict a thrashing for Meadowbank.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

There is no way that we will perform like we have done against the Pars and the Jags and the team to suffer will be Livingston on Tuesday. We will score for fun. I predict a thrashing for Meadowbank.


Funny ,thats exactly what I said after the Pars game..:oops:

[The Real Saints]

Am away in England for the week until Saturday morning, so will unfortunately miss this game. Hopefully we can come away with a result, although I doubt it. Mon the Saints!

[ryangordon86]

I'm debating whether to go or not, it'll be a mad dash as I finish work in Edinburgh at 7.15, i can make the 7.20 train to Livingston which will arrive at 7.43, then it'd have to be a taxi to the ground! hmmmm...

[Rodgers]

main

irvine ando mcaffrey sheerin

Weatherston Millar Hardie Craig

Holmes Jacko

[101 Saint]

Why are so many wishing to see Davie played ahead of Swanks?

[St Mikey]

Saints being saints, then I wouldn't put it past them winning 3 or 4 nil.

Story of our seasons, good in the cups and chasing in the league.

[garydavidson]

i think craig needs dropped for a while he was mince on saturday and I have been told he was terrible against the pars too.

not so sure about the form of hardie he seems to get rather moodie and does not use it to an effective manner recently.

would rather see two upfront and four in the middle with people making effective runs down the wings rather than having our strikers being pulled out wide and leaving no options in the middle.

we need sherring back.

[ryangordon86]

I think I will go tomorrow, lets all get behind the team and show them our support! 'Mon the Saints!

[Pablo]

Please go back to a standard 442:

Main

Irvine, Ando, McCaff, ?
Swankie, Millar, McKoy, Craig
Savo, Sherlock

[Ray Blair]

we need sherring back.

If you mean Sheerin I guess you missed the Pars game?

[SaintSam1884]

i think craig needs dropped for a while he was mince on saturday and I have been told he was terrible against the pars too.

It's difficult because Craig showed us consistently that he was a good player last season but I think he's suffering a bit from thinking he's a lot better than he actually is. I'm not sure where he was supposed to be playing on Saturday but he was practically on top of Chris Millar in the middle for the duration of his match and completely ignored everything going on to his left, which was a lot of free running for Partick Thistle players.

Ironically, I believe his best performance for us this season has come in the left back role. I think - on current form - he should be no-where near the midfield but he would be my choice for the make shift left back over Sheerin for a few reasons. Sheerin is too slow to cope for ninety minutes and anyone with pace will murder him. Livingston have some pace up front and I just wouldn't do that to ourselves. So Craig in there for me to make way for someone else in midfield. I'd go with four in midfield and would play either Sheerin or Swankie infront of him. Sheerin probably - for me - because he can offer a bit more protection to Craig than Swankie can IMO. Although McInnes might want to add a bit more pace to the midfield so Swankie could be in contention for a start.

In the middle we can't afford not to put some brutes in there as we've been continually overrun in the last two matches. Back to the good old days when Hardie batters people for a living. Millar out right for me. Up front, only two strikers have shown any sort of form this season so it's an easy selection. Jackson might be in contention to play alongside Holmes but I would go with Milne myself.

As on the other thread:

Main

Irvine Anderson McCaffrey Craig

Millar Hardie McKoy Sheerin/Swankie

Holmes Milne/Jackson

That's assuming we don't sign another defender by tomorrow.

[garydavidson]

If you mean Sheerin I guess you missed the Pars game?

yeah i meant sheerin, was not at the pars game. but after watching the midfield on saturday we could have done with someone who could hold the ball and make decent passes. miller just seemed to do nothing and seemed reluctant to go forward, even though he saw a lot of the ball.

[Dave H]

is there an option of withdrawing from the competition?

or just not show?

Livi would appear to be much improved from first day of the season, i fear another whipping.

[garydavidson]

they do seem to have improved and the wee gimp up front has scored 7 goals in 7 games for them now.

[ryangordon86]

they do seem to have improved and the wee gimp up front has scored 7 goals in 7 games for them now.

I know, i'm one of the few outside of Livi supporters to have him in my Pie and Bovril dream team! :)

[ryangordon86]

I'm debating whether to go or not, it'll be a mad dash as I finish work in Edinburgh at 7.15, i can make the 7.20 train to Livingston which will arrive at 7.43, then it'd have to be a taxi to the ground! hmmmm...


Result! My work have just asked me to come in early and finish at 6, its almost like someone wants me to make this game...

I'm feeling good about it, its going to all come together...



I'd Start with:

----------Main----------
------------------------
Irvine---Ando--Caff---Craig
-------------------------
Millar-McKoy-Hardie-Swankie
-------------------------
-----Jacko----Holmes----

Livingston 1 - 3 St Johnstone

[Morientes]

I'd Start with:

----------Main----------
------------------------
Irvine---Ando--Caff---Craig
-------------------------
Millar-McKoy-Hardie-Swankie
-------------------------
-----Jacko----Holmes----

Livingston 1 - 3 St Johnstone

I'd go for that formation too but I think the final score will be:

Livingston 2 - 0 St Johnstone.

Feel a lot of apathy just now though, if we lose it wont really put me up nor down.

Roll on the Scotland games.

[ryangordon86]

nah, im pretty confident we can turn it around with Hardie and Mckoy in the middle, they'll give us presence and power. i feel we're to lightweight with Millar in the middle so he has to start out wide for me.

[soulfulsaint]

Need a win but fear it won't happen - my heart says 2-0 Saints, my head says sort out the middle - defence and midfield

[ryangordon86]

how many are we expecting to take through, how many are going off here. The doom and gloom being felt in the terraces at the moment is pretty severe and i imagine that will have an effect on the number of travelling fans.

[Harry Curran's Love child]

If Swankie doesnt start after Saturdays farce (should be starting every week if you ask me) then it'll be the biggest miscarriage of justice since OJ.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Right,thats the bus seat booked for tomorrow but I,m not hopeful we will get anything.Ah !!! the joy of being a Saintee..Please Saints can you at least go down ( if you must) fighting.

GET IN TAE THEM.........

[SlickDT]

Why are so many wishing to see Davie played ahead of Swanks?

I would like to see Davie played upfront to be honest. He was a striker at Queens, but has always seemed to be played on the wing for us.

My team (One I hope will stay settled)

Main

Irvine-Anderson-Caff-Craig

Millar-Hardie-McKoy-Swankie

Weatherston-Savo

Subs- McLean, Jackson, Holmes, MacDonald and Sheerin

[Pants n Socks]

My tuppence worth...

Main

Irvine Ando Caff Sheerin

Weatherston Hardie Millar Swankie

Savo Holmes

We need to keep it tight at the back and have the midfielders protecting the back 4. We need to get digging in in the midfield and getting the ball wide, getting to the byeline and putting quality high and low balls in for the strikers to finish. Simple really... :mrgreen:

[Pablo]

For what it's worth, Davie might not be a bad shout. He's never given anything less than 100% and looks as though he is a handful for defenders because he's willing to have a run at them. Perhaps it's time messers Sheerin and Hardie made way for guys like Davie.

[garydavidson]

I have been hearing from my livi mate that chris innes has been rather dodgy and seems to be wanting to give goals away. lets hope they are sharp upfront tonight then.

I have never seen us get beat by livi and I hope this continues tonight other wise it could be a long drive home with two livi fans.

[Rodgers]

Must win game, has to be a confidence booster

[rammsteinally]

pants has got the midfield spot on for me swankie stays on his feet and defenders have to knock davie over.

[St Mikey]

Must win game, has to be a confidence booster

In agreement Rodgers, BUT and its a BIG BIG but - every game now is a must win. If the management, players and board want our backing again.

Lets be honest, no many people will be heading through tonight to see another changed team. I don't think McInnes knows his first choice XI.

CMON SAINTS!

[Saint Paul]

My tuppence worth...

Main

Irvine Ando Caff Sheerin

Weatherston Hardie Millar Swankie

Savo Holmes

We need to keep it tight at the back and have the midfielders protecting the back 4. We need to get digging in in the midfield and getting the ball wide, getting to the byeline and putting quality high and low balls in for the strikers to finish. Simple really... :mrgreen:


I would agree with this, but would have Craig at left back instead of Sheerin.

[O'Rourke]

What price for a clean sheet for our heros?

[St Mikey]

What price for a clean sheet for our heros?

£300.

[Pablo]

I don't think McInnes knows his first choice XI.

CMON SAINTS!

I agree. But then what else can we expect when, with his summer signings, he ended up with too many players of the same type!?

[StansTheMan]

In agreement Rodgers, BUT and its a BIG BIG but - every game now is a must win. If the management, players and board want our backing again.

Lets be honest, no many people will be heading through tonight to see another changed team. I don't think McInnes knows his first choice XI.

CMON SAINTS!

Completely Agree, I know its stating the obvious but he just tried to strengthen the midfield and up top too much and forgot about the back. If things dont get sorted before the window shut there will be some serious problems. Relegation contenders spring to mind.

Anyway i'm goin to the game tonight but with things going how they have been lately and the fact its a midweek game, how many fans do you think will make the trip?

[Dave H]

how many fans do you think will make the trip?

far less than what Livingston brought to the park opening day of the season, I would say 150 fans could enter through the away turnstile?

[Perth-Saint]

I missed the game against Partick saturday, thank god! But I am heading through tonight!

Mon Saints!!!

[StansTheMan]

Yeah i guess that would be a decent turnout given the circumstances. Think of the difference a couple hundred more would make to the squad though. Knowing that we were all still there to support them through bad times. Still ... I'll do my best to lose my voice!

[soulfulsaint]

Try to be there team needs support not more abuse. Cmon Saints

[Dunfermline Saint]

Just waiting on everyone who's posted their team for tonight going back and tucking Morgan in at LB!

[Gaz9274]

I'll be there and I'm dragging my Dad along too.

Let's get back on track and hump them

[Pants n Socks]

My tuppence worth...

Main

Irvine Ando Caff Morgan

Weatherston Hardie Millar Swankie

Savo Holmes

We need to keep it tight at the back and have the midfielders protecting the back 4. We need to get digging in in the midfield and getting the ball wide, getting to the byeline and putting quality high and low balls in for the strikers to finish. Simple really... :mrgreen:

:)

[True Saintee]

I'll be there, as ever. I'd like to see us go:

-----------------------Main
Irvine-------Ando--------------McCaffery-----Craig
Swankie---Hardie---------------Sheerin------Morgan
-------------Jacko------------Holmes

Subs: Davie, Savo, Peaso, Millar and McKoy

It's a waste of time having a GK on the bench in my opinion.

[Southpaw]

I'll be there, as ever. I'd like to see us go:

-----------------------Main
Irvine-------Ando--------------McCaffery-----Craig
Swankie---Hardie---------------Sheerin------Morgan
-------------Jacko------------Holmes

Subs: Davie, Savo, Peaso, Millar and McKoy

It's a waste of time having a GK on the bench in my opinion.

Would be foolish not to have a sub keeper as Main's only back from injury.

My umpteenth attempt at a team for tonight would be...

Main
Irvine, Ando, Caff, Craig
Millar, Hardie, McKoy, Morgan
Milne, Jacko.

[Chansey]

is it the macarthur glen shopping centre you can park at rather than pay the £5? I used to park at the lidl, but got told to move and pay the £5 the last time.

[stanley saint]

come on saints

[Jamie_Beatson]

Del is saying Morgan has been signed as a left back - yet the first two teams posted here have him as a left mid. I can't see him playing there with Craig at left back.

I'd say:

Main
Irvine, Anderson, Caff, Morgan
Weatherson, Hardie, Millar, Swankie
Milne, Holmes

Subs: McLean, Sheerin, Jackson, Craig, McKoy.

What worries me is how short we are at the back - we have no cover left. Decided I'd give Weatherston a shot from the start. Doubt he'll get near the team though.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Right then Saintees.If yer sitting at yer keyboard tappin away and your not doing anything else tonight, get yer arse along to Livi.The team needs us more than ever tonight and although we have been shite so far it WILL change and you wanna be there when it does.No f ucking excuses excepted.
Lets get right behind them from the start and make plenty noise...


We're blue,we're white, we're gonna win tonight.SUPER SAINTS.SUPER SAINTS

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pants n Socks]

Right then Saintees.If yer sitting at yer keyboard tappin away and your not doing anything else tonight, get yer arse along to Livi.The team needs us more than ever tonight and although we have been shite so far it WILL change and you wanna be there when it does.No f ucking excuses excepted.
Lets get right behind them from the start and make plenty noise...


We're blue,we're white, we're gonna win tonight.SUPER SAINTS.SUPER SAINTS

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed! Get your asses along to the game! Leaving in a wee while and I hope to see loads of Saints scarves flying out of car windaes! Ok maybe not but just get to the game and cheer the players back on form!

Beatson, you and I have named the same team so either
a) That is the perfect team because fate says so.
or
b) you copied me! :D

MON THE SAINTS!

[slf]

Right then Saintees.If yer sitting at yer keyboard tappin away and your not doing anything else tonight, get yer arse along to Livi.The team needs us more than ever tonight and although we have been shite so far it WILL change and you wanna be there when it does.No f ucking excuses excepted.
Lets get right behind them from the start and make plenty noise...


We're blue,we're white, we're gonna win tonight.SUPER SAINTS.SUPER SAINTS

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

am skint and still recovering fae the IOW gies a tap and i will go.

[Scobby_SJFC]

C'mon Saints we need a win

[Dunfermline Saint]

Team from SSN

Main
Irvine
Morgan
McKoy
Anderson
McCaffrey
Millar
Hardie
Jackson
Holmes
Sheerin

Subs:
Milne
Swankie
Samuel
Craig
McLean

[dave mc]

Swanks for Sheerin would've been my only change to that,but Peanut is probably better at defensive cover

[O'Rourke]

can't fault that selection, debut for spicy

[Scobby_SJFC]

Jacko and Holmes sounds good

[Dunfermline Saint]

As a side note, Morton beating Hibs 1-0

[Broon]

35 mins with no goals conceeded - go the defence!

[Dunfermline Saint]

35 mins with no goals conceeded - go the defence!

SSShhhhh!

[pavel]

Sheerin has been subbed early on for Craig

[Dunfermline Saint]

Sheerin has been subbed early on for Craig

Fox booked for Livi at the same time, let's hope it's not too bad an injury.

[Mongy Max]

stewart that scored for falkirk, is that john stewart?? the immense player we let go after a loan?

[alimotion]

Craig on for Sheerin - after only 37 mins
hope thats not an injury

[Parsboy1885]

Dunfermline Athletic 1 - 0 Alloa Athletic
(Kirk 8)

Just in case u missed it

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Innes punches Holmes off the ball, referee and assistants miss it.

[Dunfermline Saint]

Ht 0-0 Jacko booked on the stroke of half time.

[Dunfermline Saint]

Innes punches Holmes off the ball, referee and assistants miss it.

Hugh Dallas working as the refs observer in the crowd tonight. He probably missed it as well

[sign dave]

stewart that scored for falkirk, is that john stewart?? the immense player we let go after a loan?


yeah, but its was a pen, so nothing special,

watch out for falkirk scorers as mark stewart is playing aswell for them

[101 Saint]

Innes punches Holmes off the ball, referee and assistants miss it.

What is your location? Almondvale or Dens(e)?

[yangus]

Team from SSN

Main
Irvine
Morgan
McKoy
Anderson
McCaffrey
Millar
Hardie
Jackson
Holmes
Sheerin

Subs:
Milne
Swankie
Samuel
Craig
McLean



Am quite annoyed dont know what Davie has to do to get a chance he turned down Dundee utd for us if i was him then i would be thinking about my future.

[alimotion]

Liam Craig 1-0...inspired substitution perhaps.

[Dunfermline Saint]

1-0!!!!! Craig! Samuel Assist

Edit: Should probably have mentioned Samuel on for Holmes

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Liam Craig 1-0...inspired substitution perhaps.
Necessity. Sheerin was taken off after a heavy challenge.

[perthsaint1884]

1-0 saints, craig!!

Well late from me :laugh:

[Dunfermline Saint]

1-1

[101 Saint]

Thoroughly deserved. Boy was awful on Saturday BUT he did put in the effort. Goal should boost his confidence and hopefully mark a return to his form.

[StDuncM]

1-1 Griffiths

[Parsboy1885]

1 - 1 Leigh griffiths

[101 Saint]

jings. Did I speak too soon or type too slow. Big, big test of character. Luck and/or determination required to win this now. C'mon Saints!

[yangus]

1 - 1 Leigh griffiths

he we go

[alimotion]

Come on Saints!!!

on a separate note - Hibs 0 v Morton 2
if it finishes like this it would be a great result for first division and Morton

[Steve Maskrey]

Morton 2 up on Hibs. Not surprising really

[Broon]

I really wish Jackson would get his form back from last season. We need his goals. Come on Jacko!

[Parsboy1885]

wat to go thistle 1-0

oops
1-1

[Dunfermline Saint]

Swankie on for McKoy

[perthsaint1884]

2-2 hibs v morton

[Jags Ya Bas!]

2-1 Jags.

[yangus]

St Mirren aint haven that bad a night.

[perthsaint1884]

Jags you liar :laugh:

[541ntees]

yeah, but its was a pen, so nothing special,

watch out for falkirk scorers as mark stewart is playing aswell for them

u mean the one that's just scored

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Jags you liar :laugh:
Eh? :confused:

[Dunfermline Saint]

Extra time then....

[Shibbydoo]

Extra time

[yangus]

Suppose thats an improvement tonight

[perthsaint1884]

Eh? :confused:

You said 2-1 whereas it is 1-1

[Coltrane]

Big improvement over 90 minutes...

[Jags Ya Bas!]

No it's not.

[Parsboy1885]

Dont worry guys the Pars are through.

Naughty boy jags

[541ntees]

Eh? :confused:

according to sky sports it's still 1-1. but i'd love it if you were telling the truth and it was sky that was wrong!

[Rodgers]

Extra time

is it?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Naughty boy jags
What are you guys on? It's 2-1 Thistle.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Full time at Dens. Dundee crash out of another cup. Ian Maxwell and Gary Harkins. Two goals in two for each.

[Shibbydoo]

is it?

????

[Pablo]

What are you guys on? It's 2-1 Thistle.

only 1-1 on sportinglife.com too

[perthsaint1884]

Full time at Dens. Dundee crash out of another cup. Ian Maxwell and Gary Harkins. Two goals in two for each.

Do you want to tell bbc Scotland that aswel then?

[alimotion]

strange how both the bbc and sky have it as 1-1 between thistle and dundee.

[101 Saint]

Is it played to a finish tonight?

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Sportinglife and Sky can kiss my arse. I'm getting updates from the game.

[perthsaint1884]

Yep extra time & pens if needed

[rammsteinally]

says that on the radio too

[StDuncM]

2-1 them!

[perthsaint1884]

Sportinglife and Sky can kiss my arse. I'm getting updates from the game.

Well someones pulling your pisser

[alimotion]

2-1 down....

[Shibbydoo]

2-1 Livi - what a f##king surprise!!!!

[Parsboy1885]

radio still saying 1-1 at Dens

[Broon]

Shit.

[The Inspiration]

********

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Livi winning.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Well someones pulling your pisser
You're going to look like a fanny, mate.

[=BRIAN=]

2-1

[perthsaint1884]

now its showing partick winning

[SJC]

Baws, Partick game now confirmed 2-1 to Thistle

FN COME ON SAINTS!

[StDuncM]

Harkins for Partick.

[rammsteinally]

jags wining now

[Broon]

Let's see what we're made off then. Del said he wanted us to show some fight - well lets see some fight.

[perthsaint1884]

You're going to look like a fanny, mate.

Yeah coz it wasnt showing that on all the websites and radio right enough :rolleyes:

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Yeah coz it wasnt showing that on all the websites and radio right enough :rolleyes:
What do they have to do with the price of bread? I told you the score.

[Shibbydoo]

Anyone wanna buy a season ticket?

Just gies a tenner.

[perthsaint1884]

What do they have to do with the price of bread? I told you the score.

And i'm going to believe you why??

[541ntees]

Full time at Dens. Dundee crash out of another cup. Ian Maxwell and Gary Harkins. Two goals in two for each.

hehe never doubted you for a second sky finally updated - nice1

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Harkins for Partick.

jags wining now
:laugh:

He scored 20 minutes ago.

[StDuncM]

What do they have to do with the price of bread? I told you the score.

Jesus! Do they not have a Thistle forum you can spend your time on?

[Pablo]

2-1 down...

[alimotion]

***coughs*** allow us to concentrate on league...

[rammsteinally]

we take our time in fermer land

[SJC]

Jags is alright, he knows the score

[101 Saint]

Congratulations to the Jags. I hope their victory over the scum is the icing on the cake as opposed to a silver lining on a black cloud.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Jesus! Do they not have a Thistle forum you can spend your time on?
I'm splitting my time between the two. This thread does cover the scores of all the cup games featuring Div 1 sides, does it not?

[SlickDT]

Well thats us out, I'll wait to hear from those that went to the game before I open my mouth, but I will say this.

The Livingston side that played us at McDiarmid Park are not the sort of team we should be getting beat by. They are a very, very average side and I'm more gutted about this than either of the past two results because I know for a fact Livingston are not a good enough side to win the league.

[The Inspiration]

if your playing livingston (a) - 26/8/08 then yes it covers your game :|

[Pablo]

This is just another diddy cup! Right???

[mainstand]

I'm splitting my time between the two. This thread does cover the scores of all the cup games featuring Div 1 sides, does it not?

Do you smell and none of the weegies want to talk to you or something :-)

[Havana Club Saintee]

That peg is shaking now............Clyde game is critical.

[541ntees]

I'm splitting my time between the two. This thread does cover the scores of all the cup games featuring Div 1 sides, does it not?

well it is entitled livi away under saints chat but hey we'll make an exception for an old friend who informs us the scum are out-now lets get a goal saints this is where we turn things around!!!!!

[Dave H]

poor score, but a 1-1 draw after 90 minutes could have been a good bet.
we are great at draws remember - we can focus on league business.

[Shibbydoo]

BBC Score has it back at 1-1.

Was it disallowed????

[SJC]

He was doing us a favour letting us know Dundee were getting beat, give the chap a break!

Looks like the football websites are having a nightmare tonight!

[Alan Main FanClub]

poor result, but a 1-1 draw after 90 minutes could have been a good bet.
we are great at draws remember - now we can focus on league business.

We're not out yet?

You guys are pathetic I hope we come back to shut you guys up.

[O'Rourke]

This is just another diddy cup! Right???

del and the diddy men

[perthsaint1884]

BBC Score has it back at 1-1.

Was it disallowed????

Never listen to them :laugh:

[Dave H]

We're not out yet?

You guys are pathetic I hope we come back to shut you guys up.

90 minutes = draw - good bet, poor result. should we not be winning this sort of game really? guess we are middle table first division side again :)
currently trailing, i dont hold much hope of winning this game now/

[Broon]

Livi won 5 in a row. 1-1 would have been a decent away result. However it's not 1-1, we are losing 2-1 and seem to have forgotten how to win.

[rammsteinally]

recent form would say we'd get humped 5 - 0

[Shibbydoo]

Thing is the goal came up and then was taken off again.

I take it Sky etc still shows 2-1.

Straws and clutching...

[mainstand]

That peg is shaking now............Clyde game is critical.

Sorry but I think the fact that he has got a draw over 90 minutes with a makeshift defense and 2 players playing their first match then there are positives to be taken from it.
Hopefully those that are at the game will fill us in on it later.

[yangus]

del and the diddy men

Del the diddy will do me.

[SlickDT]

We're not out yet?

You guys are pathetic I hope we come back to shut you guys up.

BBC had it down as FT result, my apologies. I'll keep my pathetic mouth shut! :rolleyes:

[SJC]

Livi are garbage, could well be one of the teams at the wrong end of the table

Games not over yet though so lets hope we can win

[Alan Main FanClub]

Del the diddy will do me.

It's a few bad games. Tell me right now who's a better manager available than Del? he is our manager and we have to stick by him. Teams chop and change too much these days he'll get us there eventually.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

Sorry but I think the fact that he has got a draw over 90 minutes with a makeshift defense and 2 players playing their first match then there are positives to be taken from it.

You are Saints PR man, aren't you.

Irvine, Anderson, McCaffrey and Morgan. It might not be your first-choice back four (what is?), but it's hardly makeshift.

[rammsteinally]

morgan only arrived today close enough and we've been humped last 2 games

[mainstand]

You are Saints PR man, aren't you.

Irvine, Anderson, McCaffrey and Morgan. It might not be your first-choice back four (what is?), but it's hardly makeshift.

It is makeshift in that they have never played together before!

[sign dave]

looking at the fact morton done really well up untill the last 5 minutes against hibs...

does this prove or start speculation we should have kept either or both mcmanus and cuthbert?

[541ntees]

rocco booked

[Dave H]

this reminds me of the days when we had live chat on the internet, so many posts tonight
remember once the FTs are in: JagsyaBas = no gloating :)

on the mcmanus front, remember his outstanding performance in the semi, which I personally thought could of deserved another contract, back to subject - come on saints lets see the determination and skill you have, lets get some diving in and around the box!!!

[Pablo]

It is makeshift in that they have never played together before!

You tell him mainstand.


Jags - we've got enough to argue with amongst ourselves as Saintees without your tuppence worth!

[mainstand]

Livi are garbage, could well be one of the teams at the wrong end of the table

Games not over yet though so lets hope we can win

Livi have won their last 3! You are not at the Bloody match and can't see what they played like so why not wait before you start your normal moaning session!!!!

[SJC]

Especially for Mainstand:

DEL MUST GO!

[Dave H]

Livi have won their last 3! You are not at the Bloody match and can't see what they played like so why not wait before you start your normal moaning session!!!!

aye we are likely to be at the wrong end if we cannae beat any opposition ?

[Pablo]

Especially for Mainstand:

DEL MUST GO!

'fans' like you should

[perthsaint1884]

Especially for Mainstand:

DEL MUST GO!

Why? A few bad results early in the season? Get a grip!

[Dunfermline Saint]

Morton equalise

[Steve Maskrey]

Russell's equalized for Morton. 3-3

[perthsaint1884]

4-3 morton :laugh:

[Alan Main FanClub]

Especially for Mainstand:

DEL MUST GO!

That's pathetic seriously, get a grip mate. Go and you put your name in for the job you twat, Del is the only man for the job, give him time he's been in the job less than 12 months!

[SJC]

Nice spot of fishing there......

[Dave H]

morton equaliser with 5 mins to go... mixu for the sack anyone?

[O'Rourke]

Ton lead 4:3

[Jags Ya Bas!]

It is makeshift in that they have never played together before!
Makeshift would suggest something temporary to me. That could conceivably be your back four for the rest of the campaign. The fact they haven't played together as a unit (two or three of those players will have played together at one point) matters not a jot.

Why don't you change your name to Mr Spin and be done with it?

[SJC]

Mixu is a Saintee, he fn hates the Dundee!

[yangus]

Especially for Mainstand:

DEL MUST GO!

here here

[yangus]

That's pathetic seriously, get a grip mate. Go and you put your name in for the job you twat, Del is the only man for the job, give him time he's been in the job less than 12 months!

emm maybe Bobby Robson might be ok might keep us up.

[rammsteinally]

Main Entry:
make·shift Listen to the pronunciation of makeshift
Pronunciation:
\ˈmāk-ˌshift\
Function:
noun
Date:
1766

: a usually crude and temporary expedient : substitute
synonyms see resource
— makeshift adjective

[541ntees]

4-3 morton.

can we change the rules to no extra time now? i'll settle for bringing livi back to McDiarmid Pk!!

[Saintly Child]

Does anyone know the real score???

[perthsaint1884]

Real play tomorrow at 9

[Dunfermline Saint]

Full time, Saints out.

[Shibbydoo]

Is it over yet?

[mainstand]

here here

maybe we could start a campaig for Yungus and SJC to go!!!! That would be more productive than Del!!!

[Dave H]

Does anyone know the real score???

not sure if real madrid are playing tonight?

[O'Rourke]

Is it over yet?

the match is, the season aint

[saint_markperth]

2-1 ft :(

[perthsaint1884]

not sure if real madrid are playing tonight?

Tomorrow at 9

[yangus]

maybe we could start a campaig for Yungus and SJC to go!!!! That would be more productive than Del!!!

emm its yangus please

[Rodgers]

2-1 ft :(

achwel

another defeat, think we all expected it though?

still got the faith though . .

[Alan Main FanClub]

emm maybe Bobby Robson might be ok might keep us up.

How can you guys call yourself Saints fans...

1) Like to see you do better
2) The seasons only began and already we are better off in the league than we were at this point last season?
3) Del's been in the job 10 months, and is doing fine.
4) There's no one better no wonder we're losing games you guys just critisice when you have no football brain yourselves and have never played the game anywhere near that level? Get behind the team, or don't go to games and complain that you are paying your own money to rip the team. Simple answer is, DON'T GO! :D

[Dave H]

still got the faith though . .

can i have some of your medication please :(

[Pablo]

How can you guys call yourself Saints fans...

1) Like to see you do better
2) The seasons only began and already we are better off in the league than we were at this point last season?
3) Del's been in the job 10 months, and is doing fine.
4) There's no one better no wonder we're losing games you guys just critisice when you have no football brain yourselves and have never played the game anywhere near that level? Get behind the team, or don't go to games and complain that you are paying your own money to rip the team. Simple answer is, DON'T GO! :D

couldn't have said it better myself!

[Shibbydoo]

Well, regardless of giving Del time or not. Losing to a diddy team like Livi at a time when Del has called the troops to show some fighting spirit is BAD.

We are in deep trouble and I can't see where the light at the end of the tunnel is gonna come from.

There's loyalty and there's realism - I think a few of the fans on here need to get real.

We are in a lot of trouble!

[mainstand]

Well, regardless of giving Del time or not. Losing to a diddy team like Livi at a time when Del has called the troops to show some fighting spirit is BAD.

We are in deep trouble and I can't see where the light at the end of the tunnel is gonna come from.

There's loyalty and there's realism - I think a few of the fans on here need to get real.

We are in a lot of trouble!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Yawn yawn

[Alan Main FanClub]

Well, regardless of giving Del time or not. Losing to a diddy team like Livi at a time when Del has called the troops to show some fighting spirit is BAD.

We are in deep trouble and I can't see where the light at the end of the tunnel is gonna come from.

There's loyalty and there's realism - I think a few of the fans on here need to get real.

We are in a lot of trouble!

Can I ask, how are Livi a diddy team? There is no such thing in our league, every game is winnable and also lose-able. Head up Saints, get behind Del and the troops and we are still very much in it. It's only August FFS!

[Pablo]

[QUOTE=Shibbydoo;150626]

We are in deep trouble and I can't see where the light at the end of the tunnel is gonna come from.
[QUOTE]

Hopefully not a train

[jez1971]

That's pathetic seriously, get a grip mate. Go and you put your name in for the job you twat, Del is the only man for the job, give him time he's been in the job less than 12 months!

Quite right - like everyone else on this forum I'm gutted at the result tonight. Even more gutted that I can't get to the game to get behind the team due to work!

For God's sake lets get behind the team cos they need us more than ever now!

I know we'll come good but it's going to take a while - whether that will be soon enough for the vultures circling McDiarmid we'll see!

[Pablo]

Quite right - like everyone else on this forum I'm gutted at the result tonight. Even more gutted that I can't get to the game to get behind the team due to work!

For God's sake lets get behind the team cos they need us more than ever now!

I know we'll come good but it's going to take a while - whether that will be soon enough for the vultures circling McDiarmid we'll see!

True enough. And... from what I can see, a lot of the moaners don't even go to the games..

[yangus]

Well, regardless of giving Del time or not. Losing to a diddy team like Livi at a time when Del has called the troops to show some fighting spirit is BAD.

We are in deep trouble and I can't see where the light at the end of the tunnel is gonna come from.

There's loyalty and there's realism - I think a few of the fans on here need to get real.

We are in a lot of trouble!

Sounds more like it dont know how the other fans on this think hes gonna turn it around in a week (which would be needed to win anything) as he hasnt shown any promise at all this year dosent even know what team to play.

[Rodgers]

can i have some of your medication please :(


theres no medication

iv got a picture of the saints players singing "easy" after the 2-0 win at ibrox on my wall, i just look at that and remember the good times

we cant be bad all season.
if not 1st, we'll finsih 2nd . . again

[Havana Club Saintee]

Out of 2 cup competitions before August. Statistically worst defence in Scotland.
Concern over our situation by many certainly does not make anyone less of a Saintee than others. We are in bother here, OK we may not like it, but wake up and smell the coffee.

COME ON YE SAINTS! Saturday is a must.

[Dave H]

We are in a lot of trouble!

AGREED! but at least there is no cup runs to mask the disappointing league form. We have something to concentrate on.

When a season starts as poor as this one, it is tough to turn it around. All we can seek is some stability over the coming weeks. We are struggling as a squad at present, and it is very difficult to get the feel good factor back when you are in such trouble.

plenty of hard work but no end product. positive today, we scored! :)

[SJC]

Mr Fanclub, away and cheer on the team then ya radge!

Another bad result, but we'll have to wait and see how the season pans out

[mainstand]

Sounds more like it dont know how the other fans on this think hes gonna turn it around in a week (which would be needed to win anything) as he hasnt shown any promise at all this year dosent even know what team to play.

What a load of Shite!!! How has he never shown promise? You really are a wind up merchant or a complete Ass!!!

[Shibbydoo]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Yawn yawn

You bury your head in the sand if it makes you feel better mainstand.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Superb

[yangus]

Out of 2 cup competitions before August. Statistically worst defence in Scotland.


Is that a surprise really after he signed so many forwards and midfeilders and so little defenders and let McManus go (i know it was GB) but even then i think he let the wrong one go i woulda kicked out James in a minute mainly for the amount of injurues he gets and McManus was much better than him last year anyway.

[Coltrane]

2-1 Ach well...all part and parcel of being a Saints fan. Better days ahead hopefully.

[Alan Main FanClub]

Mr Fanclub, away and cheer on the team then ya radge!

Another bad result, but we'll have to wait and see how the season pans out

I was working, otherwise i would've been there cheering them on! You seem like an armchair fan, fair enough, but don't slag the team because you dont know much and you aren't there? Go and support some other team if you want to slag the team and gaffer off... people like you aren't welcome!

[Saintly Child]

Is that a surprise really after he signed so many forwards and midfeilders and so little defenders and let McManus go (i know it was GB) but even then i think he let the wrong one go i woulda kicked out James in a minute mainly for the amount of injurues he gets and McManus was much better than him last year anyway.


I thought McManus was crap last year and was finished.

Saints are struggling at the moment but we will come good.

KEEP THE FAITH WE ARE SAINTS FANS WE ARE USED TO STRESS.

[SJC]

Been a season ticket holder for 18 years and still have one today mate?

You?

I didn't go tonight for the reason that I would have ended up shouting at that shower, I'll be there on Saturday hoping for a win against Clyde.

[Dave H]

Is that a surprise really .

too right the form is a surprise! I had been led to believe we were chasing promotion this season, which I assume is a team winning games. to get dumped out of cups from teams in our league and to only one game against our league opposition is really surprising!

[Alan Main FanClub]

Been a season ticket holder for 18 years and still have one today mate?

You?

I didn't go tonight for the reason that I would have ended up shouting at that shower, I'll be there on Saturday hoping for a win against Clyde.

Good for you. I've been a season ticket holder since I was 4... Been through the good times and the bad and I never get on their backs... Del's the man we will come good and think how close we've been because we've had average start...poor middle...good end. Well we're getting the bad games out now, hit a run of form and we're back in it. Dundee will have a dip, as will Partick, QoS etc. and Del will have the lads geered up to take advantage of the dips. They don't deliberatley go out to get beat!!!

[yangus]

I thought McManus was crap last year and was finished.

Saints are struggling at the moment but we will come good.

KEEP THE FAITH WE ARE SAINTS FANS WE ARE USED TO STRESS.

But how many more seasons like this can this club and the fans take i know its not over yet but am not that positive as you may have guessed as not seeing many signds of improvement but i will give him a chance at the games as it is early but i am soooo disapointed at the start we are haven as we should be flying with the platyers we have.

[Barca-Saintee]

Statistically worst defence in Scotland.


dumbarton have a worse defense than us, statistically speaking

[jez1971]

Mr Fanclub, away and cheer on the team then ya radge!

Another bad result, but we'll have to wait and see how the season pans out

I agree that we are in a poor state at the moment but the point I was trying to make was that this is when we need to get behind the team and support them!!

It's all too easy to call for the manager's head after 5 games - as it's been mentioned on many posts before now the vast majority were more than happy with Del as manager and his signings over the summer.

FFS - we've got plenty time to turn it around, let's get into Clyde on Saturday and just concentrate on getting that winning feeling back!!!

[mainstand]

Been a season ticket holder for 18 years and still have one today mate?

You?

I didn't go tonight for the reason that I would have ended up shouting at that shower, I'll be there on Saturday hoping for a win against Clyde.

Why would you have ended up shouting at that shower as you put it. Do you know for a fact that they played badly? or do you just shout abuse at them irrespective.

If it was me you were talking to I didn't go tonight as the under 13's team that I manage were playing(won 10-1), other wise I would have been there SUPPORTING the team!!

[yangus]

Good for you. I've been a season ticket holder since I was 4

any advances on 4????

[SJC]

Fair play, you've supported the team for a long time too then

However, as supporter of the club I an entitled to say what I like, Del has put his foot in his mouth recently saying that we will react to the results and form will improve- meanwhile we are out of another tournament.

Edit- the comment was directed to Mr Fanclub

[mainstand]

any advances on 4????

Yeah but he is only 5 now!! :-)

You probably know him he was the year ahead of You and SJC at Nursery :-)

[yangus]

Yeah but he is only 5 now!! :-)

You probably know him he was the year ahead of You and SJC at Nursery :-)

how you work that out because i can see that we are in trouble.

imagine one of the old fim had this start then they would be in trouble and they have the same targets as us ( win the league) so i dont see how any team aiming to win the league end up in our position and cant be in trouble.

[Alan Main FanClub]

Fair play, you've supported the team for a long time too then

However, as supporter of the club I an entitled to say what I like, Del has put his foot in his mouth recently saying that we will react to the results and form will improve- meanwhile we are out of another tournament.

Edit- the comment was directed to Mr Fanclub

I respect you lot have opinions, but if fans are just critising the staff and players, and complaining about not value for money, either sell you season ticket or don't pay to get in? The team needs us now to help them hit the form to get us out of this league!

[SavotheGreat]

Is anyone really that bothered by this result?

I'd far rather take a clean shot at the league with no distractions.

[Jags Ya Bas!]

I've seen this more times recently than I care to remember. Team plays poorly, manager faces criticism and fans start arguing among themselves about who are the 'real' fans.

it usually culminates with the manger getting the bullet.

[SJC]

I'll always support St Johnstone, and will always have a season ticket

Just because I am not cofident in Del's managerial capability doesn't mean that I shouldn't go to McDiarmid does it?

Theres nothing wrong with a bit of criticism, if I can accept people criticising me for saying that Del isn't up to the task of getting us to the SPL then folk can accept my right and need to criticise something that I am seriously pissed off with!

We are paying enough in wages to backroom staff and players to get to the top flight, however at this very early stage in the season it is becoming increasingly evident that the players have not been prepared for starting the season to a flyer.

[jez1971]

I respect you lot have opinions, but if fans are just critising the staff and players, and complaining about not value for money, either sell you season ticket or don't pay to get in? The team needs us now to help them hit the form to get us out of this league!

At the end of the day does it really matter how long people have supported the club?!

We all support the same team and it's only natural people are concerned about the start we've had.

We need to get behind the team, whether it's at the game or not - there's no way teams like Partick & Dundee (sorry Jags Ya Bas) won't have a slump in form.

What we need to do is get the confidence back and this starts on Saturday against Clyde.

Looking at our squad it's by far the strongest in the division - I've no doubt that the players are as pissed off and frustrated as we are at the start we've had.

[SavotheGreat]

I respect you lot have opinions, but if fans are just critising the staff and players, and complaining about not value for money, either sell you season ticket or don't pay to get in? The team needs us now to help them hit the form to get us out of this league!

Ha! On a hiding to nothing there mate.

There is an aura of doom in this place whenever we per chance happen to lose a match. Three in a row and you can expect nuclear weapons. I hate to say this because I know from the average Saints' fan I meet on the street that this isn't the case, but judging by the posts on this forum I would easily mistake certain people in our support for Old Firm fans.

Some people on here really are ridiculous in their demands. No wonder we consistently fail to achieve promotion. Every season it is made into a matter of all or nothing and it puts a HELL of a lot of strain on the manager. And please, don't give me all the "that's management" shite.

[Cagey]

Another defeat & out of another cup however you look at it. Hope they played well enough as the confidence will be shot for Saturday which is now a massive game.

Del must have thoght this management game was a piece of cake last season but I am sure he will be haveing a few sleepless nights at the moment.

[Ali91]

good performance tonight. everybody looked well up for it and imo we deserved to win the game. the officials tonight were horrendous which didn't help us.

[Brian Potter]

Well that was fun!

Played pretty well in the first half!

Second half, We still can't defend for shit! Goal from a corner for their first. The ball dropped in between Anderson & McCaffery who stared at it while their man scored for their second!

Irvine & Hardie worryingly not for the first time stuck out as being pish poor tonight!

Thats just my opinion, I'm taking every game as it comes!

I am very worried about how things are going!

[Brian Potter]

Morgan looked ok!

Sheerin went off after a 50/50! Didnt look too serious!

[Radford 72]

good performance tonight. everybody looked well up for it and imo we deserved to win the game. the officials tonight were horrendous which didn't help us.
What Ali said! Much, much better from Saints tonight but very hard to win against 12 men. I've argued with Saints fans on P&B about refs in the past as I am usually seen to mark them too high but the guy tonight was disgraceful, which was a view clearly shared by the players as three of them were booked for dissent.

Unlike Mr Potter, I couldn't really pick out a failure. Some players weren't as good as others and could maybe be said to have a quiet game but no one was pish poor. Much better in the centre of defence, Morgan had a solid debut, as did McKoy. Liam Craig was back to nearer his usual self and Sammy put in his best shift so far.

[101 Saint]

Irvine & Hardie worryingly not for the first time stuck out as being pish poor

I understand that both have been injured recently, don't be too harsh.

How did Morgan look? How did McKoy get on?