Saints v St Mirren updates

[pezza70]

Glennon, Rutkiewicz, James, Stevenson, Stanic, Mensing, Winter, Sheridan, Hartie, Sheerin, Scotland

Peaso :D , Dobbie, Fotheringham, Henry, Cuthbert

[Jimbo]

dundee 1 down after 1 min

[pezza70]

great start to the day then :D

peaso was a pleasent surprise Jimbo

[pezza70]

Clyde 2 nil up within 5 mins damm

[Jimbo]

make that 3!

ross county lead as well

[garydavidson]

4-0 clyde!!!

[pezza70]

RC up doesnt help us much, was hoping they would drop points at home to the accies

[pezza70]

Accies equalised, thats better :D

[garydavidson]

1-1 ross county :)

[stu]

Dundee also level, Lynch.

[pezza70]

gee this sucks watching the sky scoreboard, not knowing how we are playing etc

[stu]

Half time 0-0.

[pezza70]

Half time 0-0

[auchterarder mark]

a ken, nitemare tryin to follow saints on sky! won't be long until we benefit from live SPL commentary! any news on 1st half chances?

[stu]

Got Radio Scotland on, apparently we dominated early on but it evened up later on. Best chance for James with a header, should've scored. St Mirren haven't done much going forward.

In other news, Murdo McLeod won a grand in the Falkirk half time draw...

[Chansey]

Got Radio Scotland on, apparently we dominated early on but it evened up later on. Best chance for James with a header, should've scored. St Mirren haven't done much going forward.

In other news, Murdo McLeod won a grand in the Falkirk half time draw...

had james to score first aswell in prediction league! Surprised the gaffer aint in the side!

[stu]

I think Coyle has a thigh injury.

[pezza70]

Sutton for Corcoran 46th min

[garydavidson]

yeah coyle has a groin injury or something so the main site said.

[Chansey]

dunno why, but i have a feeling dobbie should be brought on..... :shock:

[pezza70]

maybe Peaso?

nil nil suits the midden perfect

[pezza70]

RC just hit the front on 75 mins

[stu]

County are 2-1 up, they'll be the big winners today by the looks of things.

[garydavidson]

we need to go for it!!

[pezza70]

Memhet for Kean on 82 mins

still no changes for us

[pezza70]

Peaso for Scotland on 85 mins

[garydavidson]

i have now figured out no matter how much you shout at sky sports nothing happens!

0-0 full time

who the hell is rod hunter? he got 4 for clyde today!!

[pezza70]

Full time nil nil :(

[pezza70]

Full time scores

Brechin 0 Airdrie 0

Dundee 2 Q o S 3

RC 2 Accies 1

Saintees 0 Midden 0

Stranraer 0 Clyde 5

The big winners were the Midden and RC today

[Chansey]

Piss off man!! Its over......again! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[garydavidson]

30 points up for grabs its long from over yet! the midden never beat us - others could still beat them! i think ross county are a bigger threat!

we are st johnstone of course we are not going to do it the easy way!

i cant believe its come to that point where ross county and caley are better than us - so glad im not in scholl in inverness these days!!

[101 Saint]

Battling performance today. The gaffers tactics and the performance of Winter were the disappointing aspects. The wrong striker got subbed, not enough players were supporting the first half attacks and substitutions should have come earlier.

On the positive side of things, the Paisley Junkies looked ordinary and will drop a few points yet, the real Saints hit the post and had the ball in the net; most importantly for me, every single player gets pass marks for effort and attitude. Impressed with Hardie and heartened by Peaso's return. Spoke to him before kick off and said he felt, "No' very fit". He didn't expect to play any part. Tells us what OC thinks of Dobbie... why does he make the bench? :?

[Phil]

Thought we should have won :(
Hit the post and got a goal cut off for offside :x

[Kevin]

Jason had a goal disallowed for offside, he wasn't!! Sheerin hit the bottom of the post and on any normal Saturay it would have gone in but it bounced out :? James headed straight into the keeper on a couple of occasions but a battling match. Sheridan got booked for too many fouls and Sheering for a defenders foul, stopping the Midden player getting on to goal. Keeper had a good game but wasn't troubled too many times, looks good though and very commanding i the box.

The minute's appreciation for Don was superb and the noise immense, standing in the middle made myhair stick up, I can tell you. Even the Midden fans joined in which was nice to see. We were the featured match so you should see a wee bit ore than usual on the Temple tomorrow Pezza.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

How unluucky can you get. Hit the post, the goal was never offside from where i saw it. Not a bad performance today. May have to eat my words about Hardie thought he was superb up front, so stuff did not come off for him but good ideas

[Rodgers]

Well what can i say? I think we played out hearts out till they dropped to the floor. We tried everything but it just wasnt going to be our day. I think every player was brillant, no one let the side down today, even the fans were great today. The attendance was 4,500(so i was told).

Glennon what a save form that one on one he pulled off! James and Ruti great headers they had during the hole game at the attacking corners. Sheridan and sevo great work rate! But the player that i thought was just out standing was the new man Martin Hardie, won everything that was played to him, linked up well witht he rest of the team and just wel he was super.

With he team we have now, we can achive great things, which means gettin into the SPL and winning cups. Great performance today boys :!:

[Chansey]

30 points up for grabs its long from over yet! the midden never beat us - others could still beat them! i think ross county are a bigger threat!

we are st johnstone of course we are not going to do it the easy way!

i cant believe its come to that point where ross county and caley are better than us - so glad im not in scholl in inverness these days!!

v.good point......guess i am just being pesamistic, in the knowledge that the midden seemed like an ordinary side they could/should begin to drop a few points!

[HeronAddict]

Agree totally with what Rodgers says. Thought we were outstanding today, probably our best all-round performance at home this season. We were so unlucky not to win - Sheerin hit the post, James with a couple of headers, a few very debateable offsides, and an astounding touch onto the bar by Bullock from Rusty's header. The effort and application from every player was spot-on, only Stevenson and Winter for me were slightly disappointing in terms of quality. Also Scotland coming off for Peaso was a mistake by Coyle - he's always a threat although he wasn't at his best today, and you just wonder what would have happened if he had been going for that volley in the last minute rather than a not sharp Peaso. The better change would have been Winter off with Hardie (superb debut!) or Scotland dropping deeper.

As for St. Mirren, they were woeful! How they're top of the league on that performance I'll never know - only had one real chance when Mensing lost concentration, but he was bailed out by a superb save by Glennon. If they play that negatively for the rest of the season they'll drop a few points, and if we continue in that vain its very much game on still. Hamilton next week is a massive match now - a similar performance and win there and I'll believe a great day in Paisley on the 29th of April is still possible.

[101 Saint]

The better change would have been Winter off with Hardie (superb debut!) or Scotland dropping deeper.

Was that not obvious to everybody within McD? I'm not sure whether Coyle has a problem with being too loyal on occassion or whether he is simply learning his trade. He clearly rates Winter and Hardie very highly, but personally I would have put Hardie into midfield at half-time and let Dobbie have a shot upfront. Why is he on the bench if OC won't play him?

[MUZZ]

just not good enough afraid to say people. st.mirren are worthy title winners :(

[Davey]

one of the best performances of the season, just a pity oor strikers couldnae finish the chances! they werent a good team it was ours fur the takin!

COME ON SAINTS KEEP THE FAITH

S.J.F.C

[blueheaven]

Obviously not the best result we could have hoped for, but I thought we played very well today, and was particularly happy with the sheer effort each and every one of the players put in. With just a tiny bit more luck we could actually have hammered them by a few goals out there - we certainly played well enough to have won comfortably, but things just kept not quite working out in front of their goal. I thought Wizard's effort in the second half was in and had already leapt into the air - couldn't believe it when it bounced off the post.

Would echo what others have said about the wrong striker being taken off - that's not to say that I think Hardie played badly, but I just think Scotland is always capable of producing that one piece of magic that could have been the difference between a draw and a win, even when he's not firing on all cylinders. Winter seemed to be playing further back than last week, and didn't look as assured - but, as with the others, can't fault his effort. I'd also say that I thought Glennon was excellent - made a couple of vital saves and also dealt really well with a crazy pass-back from Stanic in the second half!

One thing's for sure: if we can play like that every week we're going to be in for an exciting finish to the season. St Mirren look like they've peaked too early and are now struggling, whereas we're just getting into our stride. They'll no doubt be pretty chuffed with the point, but I reckon they'll drop a good few more before the season's up. There's still everything to play for.

[HeronAddict]

just not good enough afraid to say people. st.mirren are worthy title winners :(

Worthy title winners?! Come on! A team worthy of winning the title would have come to McD with the confidence to play us off the park and put the league virtually beyond doubt, not be the incredibly negative. long-ball punting bunch of nobodies they were today, content to play for a draw. If they play like that for the rest of the season they'll drop a few points, and we certainly still have a chance if we continue to play in that manner. I don't see how you could ask for any more today, apart from a goal.

[MUZZ]

how many shots did we actually have? i'm not being negative but yes we played well but at the end of the day, points win prizes man and they have many more than us. yes they were a bore, but if we were in their position i'd play exactly the same

[mainstand]

The better change would have been Winter off with Hardie (superb debut!) or Scotland dropping deeper.

Was that not obvious to everybody within McD? I'm not sure whether Coyle has a problem with being too loyal on occassion or whether he is simply learning his trade. He clearly rates Winter and Hardie very highly, but personally I would have put Hardie into midfield at half-time and let Dobbie have a shot upfront. Why is he on the bench if OC won't play him?

He was using hardie as a target man, If hw had added another striker and lost the game you would be on here saying Coyle got it wrong. Given taht he has dropped or rested most players at one point or another I don't see how anyone could say he is being too loyal. Also worth noting taht Scotland may well have been one of the doubts in the past week or so and taht was why he was subbed. IKFAF taht he didn't play in teh bounce game against Livi as he was working at the pool with the physio.

[lethamsaintee]

my wee match report on www.freewebs.com/perthsaints1884

[jinky]

how many shots did we actually have? i'm not being negative but yes we played well but at the end of the day, points win prizes man and they have many more than us. yes they were a bore, but if we were in their position i'd play exactly the same

We hit the post and bar, aswell as having a goal chopped off.
They had one chance from our mistake.
St.mirren were lucky today, and they know it. If they do go onto win the title, it will be a very short stay in the SPL, they were rotten. I cant fault a single player today, some days you get the breaks others you don't. Guess which way today was.

If we were top of the league, there is no way i would be happy playing like that, the midden didnt even try to attack, and in my view thats just boring and undeserving of any prizes.

[MUZZ]

how many shots did we actually have? i'm not being negative but yes we played well but at the end of the day, points win prizes man and they have many more than us. yes they were a bore, but if we were in their position i'd play exactly the same

We hit the post and bar, aswell as having a goal chopped off.
They had one chance from our mistake.
St.mirren were lucky today, and they know it. If they do go onto win the title, it will be a very short stay in the SPL, they were rotten. I cant fault a single player today, some days you get the breaks others you don't. Guess which way today was.

If we were top of the league, there is no way i would be happy playing like that, the midden didnt even try to attack, and in my view thats just boring and undeserving of any prizes.thats the way this division is mate. playing pretty aint good enough

[HeronAddict]

how many shots did we actually have? i'm not being negative but yes we played well but at the end of the day, points win prizes man and they have many more than us. yes they were a bore, but if we were in their position i'd play exactly the same

No idea about actual stats, but it seemed that especially in the second half we had plenty of attempts on goal - on any other day we would have won by 2 or 3.

If I was a St. Mirren fan, I certainly wouldn't have been happy at the way they played today. There's being tight at the back, but then there's also being incredibly negative and clearly being happy with a draw. County are now only 6 points behind with a game in hand, so I dont think its even as if they can really afford to drop points. As soon as you start playing that negatively, accepting that a draw is the limit of your ambitions, then its easy to slip into a comfort zone, and the evidence is there that that could be happening just now. They also haven't scored in their last four matches - doesn't seem like the record of "worthy title winners" to me!

[blueheaven]

how many shots did we actually have? i'm not being negative but yes we played well but at the end of the day, points win prizes man and they have many more than us. yes they were a bore, but if we were in their position i'd play exactly the same

...but surely it's who has the most points at the end of the season that decides who the "worthy title winners" are? You're right that points win prizes, but there are still plenty of points left to play for.

For what it's worth I don't think we're going to win the league this season (and I don't think it would be all that great for us if we did, because we're just not ready for the SPL), but St Mirren are certainly no great shakes and I'd be disgusted if Saints were to give up just as things are finally starting to get interesting.

[MUZZ]

how many shots did we actually have? i'm not being negative but yes we played well but at the end of the day, points win prizes man and they have many more than us. yes they were a bore, but if we were in their position i'd play exactly the same

...but surely it's who has the most points at the end of the season that decides who the "worthy title winners" are? You're right that points win prizes, but there are still plenty of points left to play for.

For what it's worth I don't think we're going to win the league this season (and I don't think it would be all that great for us if we did, because we're just not ready for the SPL), but St Mirren are certainly no great shakes and I'd be disgusted if Saints were to give up just as things are finally starting to get interesting.midden aint great, but they have what it takes to win this league. yes they are boring etc.... but its they are in a position where they can only lose it IMO. yes we should keep going but i cant see much changing

[templeofsaints]

Thought we were good today but 2-3 players were just that wee bit off form that would have made the difference. Scotland's lack of movement early on was a worry (especially since Hardie was winning a lot of the ball). Stevenson just seemed poor to me (I'd have taken him off instead of Scotland) and Winter didn't get enough of the ball to make a difference especially with a lack of movement from some of the midfield.

Plus points were the solid defensive performance and the Stanic / Sheerinho show on the left along with Dazza in the middle (that bit at the final whistle when Glennon was taking a kick and Sheridan was the only bugger smart enough and quick enough to get into the opposition half summed him up) and Hardie up front who has a much more physical presence.

St Mirren weren't great but at the same time I think they were happy to hit us on the counter - certainly their midfield didnt get forward that much. They got off lightly - I was convinced Sheerinho's shot was going in and I'm not sure why Scotland was ruled offside.

The only concern I had at times was with Glennons positioning for crosses and corners - he stayed on his line too much and seemed slow to react at times. Cracking save after the passback cockup though.

[mattythelegend13]

Thot we wer unlucky just to come away with the 1 point, felt we did enough to get all 3. We were the better team on the day. Think we would of got the win if few breaks went our way. I wil be studying scotland's offside ruling very closly felt he was onside. Anyone no the attendance? :)

[sainteesrule]

With he team we have now, we can achive great things, which means gettin into the SPL and winning cups. Great performance today boys :!:

No chance of that yet. Fair enough a couple of guys have freshened things up, and offer something else, but we're no gonna win cups overnight. Gradual improvements have seen us look far better recently than we have seen in a good while. Many more of them to come in future though to see us back to an SPL/Cup final standard. Just shows how crap things have been in the past few years.

[Ronaldo]

We should have won but their defence is the best part of their team and they held out.
I still think Saints can win the league but we have to go on a run of wins with what now is the best squad for a while. St.Mirren haven't scored in four games (including against Spartans) and draws are lethal if any of the chasing pack are winning. Ross County is a tough won but St.Mirren have also to go up there and not just us.

[auchterarder mark]

new to this website - gr8 to get match reports from saintee fans - sounds like we played well, thats 4 games without a goal or a wine for St Mirren - but Ross C now 8 games undefeated - if I was a betting man............big game in ramadamadingwall on 11thMar - big support! look forward to watching midden slip in at least two of next four banana skin games

MON THE SAINTS!!!!!

[Broggy Man]

One word sums up how i feel today GUTTED. :( :(
Yes we didnt blow them away but we bossed them out of the game fo 70 mins or so. i think Glennan had one real save to make. There were a few who could have performed better but on the whole we were the better team! we deserved to win! i was entertained by our play at times so for that i have to be happy as i have always said all i wanted was for Saints to entertain and they did that today with a little more fortune and a reshaping of Kevin james's head we would have had two at least. :***: :***:

[Finners]

agreed, saints deserved to nick it 1-0 i think today, feel bit a hard done by. Mind you it makes the league the same way it was last week except one less game against midden and county ar ahead tho :cry:

Thought the support was great!! And it wasnt midden fans..... :***:

[Saint Hayley]

Saints deserved a 1 or 2 nil win the day, tht goal was never offside gonna watch the highlights 2moro just to double check and ofcourse to the Jenfeild 208 flags wat we put up. game was good bt nerve-reaking.

Remember Keep The Faith its not over yet. :D


Dons applause was abosolute amense i pack up early from selling to take part and i am very glad i did,
"There's only 1 Don McVicer" gone bt never forgoton

[McCarry One Nil]

Thought we were very very unlucky not to get the full 3 points - didn't seem to get any breaks at all but really encouraged by the fight in the team and the way they went about the game. St.Mirren came for the draw no doubts about it - they are NO WAY certaities to win this League - we have a pretty tough game next Saturday never mind thinking about March 11th though - we'll do well to get 3 points at Hamilton.

Keep the faith it can still be done if they keep putting in performances like yesterday.

NB : I thought Martin Hardie had a great game and for me was MOM - gave us something up front we've not had for a while.

[HeronAddict]

From watching Scotland's 'goal' again on Scotsport, there was no way he was offside - we waz robbed! :***:

[Broggy Man]

From watching Scotland's 'goal' again on Scotsport, there was no way he was offside - we waz robbed! :***:

Yes used my sky plus box to step through it and even at the rediculas camera angle he wasnt even level

[Hazel1884]

Fantastic performance from the lads yesterday - each and every one of them put so much into it.

Was gutted not to score one of those chances yesterday, my feelings when we were collecting the flags in was just frustration.

Pretty much echo what's been said, we are all pretty much agreeing, except Muzzle of course! :wink:

If we can keep up a run of form, and especially raise our game like today against Hamilton and COunty then we will still be there or thereabouts.

St Mirren came for a draw.

[templeofsaints]

At worst he was in line with Potter but Maxwell was behind both of them.

[Tranmere Saintee]

The only concern I had at times was with Glennons positioning for crosses and corners - he stayed on his line too much and seemed slow to react at times. Cracking save after the passback cockup though.

As you will all know I was gutted at the dropping of The Cat and agree entirely with Temples comments, but I would like to ask the Foghorn who inhabits the Ormond end of the East Stand what he thinks he will achieve by berating the guy from the first minute of the game? :evil:

Like me, he might reckon The Cat should still be in the team, but Glennon has the gloves at the moment and should be getting supported and not slagged off at every opportunity during a game - its a good job he is not a Rangers player otherwise we might be back to where we where last season. As people know I never particulary rated McGregor, but by the same token I never slagged him off during games.

Lastly (for now :wink: ), I thought I might have missed something yesterday with Jasons goal, as I sit almost directly in line with the action, and am glad that Scotsport showed I was correct with my call at the time - the linesman was a total arsehole. :evil:

[MUZZ]

Pretty much echo what's been said, we are all pretty much agreeing, except Muzzle of course! :wink:

.hallo there! na, we did play ok but i'm just pissed off we didnt do it and the simple fact is they are top because the way they play suits this division. its not pretty, but it works. i've calmed down a bit now :twisted:

[Hazel1884]

Pretty much echo what's been said, we are all pretty much agreeing, except Muzzle of course! :wink:

.hallo there! na, we did play ok but i'm just pissed off we didnt do it and the simple fact is they are top because the way they play suits this division. its not pretty, but it works. i've calmed down a bit now :twisted:

Stay Calm, lad!

We are not out of it!

Kepe the Faith - and get your seats booke don the 208 bus to Hamilton! :wink:

[MUZZ]

Pretty much echo what's been said, we are all pretty much agreeing, except Muzzle of course! :wink:

.hallo there! na, we did play ok but i'm just pissed off we didnt do it and the simple fact is they are top because the way they play suits this division. its not pretty, but it works. i've calmed down a bit now :twisted:

Stay Calm, lad!

We are not out of it!

Kepe the Faith - and get your seats booke don the 208 bus to Hamilton! :wink: i'm calm :twisted:

[Hazel1884]

The pic on the offeeeeshial site of Jason and Sheerin's celbrations being ended by the linesman sums up the match for me...

The joy and the frustration.......

[Hazel1884]

Is that the one that says ©PHOTO May not be used without the express permission of Perthshire Picture Agency? :P

What photo's that sorry?

[Cagey]

Thought Saints played well today & unlucky not to win. I was almost inline with the offside decision &my first instinct was that it was offside & looked over to linesman to see if he put his flag up. My mates never got up to hail the goal either as they knew it was offside. Never saw the highlights but look forward to ToS putting them on his website.

I don`t think the wrong player forward got subbed today & annoyed that Owen did not put fresh legs on erlier.Agree that Jason is liable to give us something special but we need a player who gives 100% for 90 mins. Not someone who feigns injury & has one eye on the world cup finals.

Also I think everyone except Jason gave more than 100% today but I found it strange that when Glennon punted the ball forward in the last minute our 39 year old was the only man to almost get on the end of it.

[blueheaven]

Agree that Jason is liable to give us something special but we need a player who gives 100% for 90 mins. Not someone who feigns injury & has one eye on the world cup finals.

I think that's nonsense. Just because he isn't the typical sort of player Scottish fans seem to want everyone to be doesn't mean he isn't giving 100%. At what point has he feigned injury? And surely if he does have "one eye on the World Cup finals" it's hardly in his interests to pretend to be injured? Personally I don't care if his main motivation is to get to the World Cup - there's not a player out there who wouldn't be thinking the same, and besides, what's so bad about it if it makes him want to play well?

You seem to be suggesting he's not giving his all because he wants to go to the World Cup, but that just doesn't make any sense - surely if he wants to go to the World Cup he'll be doing the exact opposite, especially as his recent omission from the T&T squad proves that his place on the plane isn't set in stone.

[Chansey]

Completely agree with blueheaven. Im sure jason knows his place for T&T is by no means certain, and when he was in the T&T squad he wasn't starting, so what good would not giving 100% do for his world cup asperations?

[Hazel1884]

Some people just can't appreciate things :x

Was on the bus today, and spotted a man whom i used to pass every morning on my way to school and to stir up conversation asked "Were you up on Saturday then?" he then shook his head in disbelief and replied "Utter s****, they were awful and i refuse to pay to watch that. Only been 3 times this season and every time i've seen them and they've played crap". I was fizzing at his comment because to say we were crap is ridiculously untrue....

He then went on to whinge about that we never created anything - i then told him of at least 4 good chances we had...he then reasoned and said well, aye. He then said that Jason was horrendous as were those two at the back. I asked James and Rutkiewicz and he says i wouldn't know who they were.

Sickening how some people are just never happy! Always moaning!!!!

His positive was that we short thing with the blonde hair was good. Took me a while to think and i asked what position - to which his reply was "I wouldnae ken what positions they were" Ffs - he eventually decided it was Sheridan! :shock: Blonde Hair eh?! :shock: :oops: :***:

[Saintkev]

I had a couple of whiners behind me, "nae wonder we stopped coming"... Don't know what they expect!?

[Broon]

I actually said after the game that I thought the drifters who hadn't been for a while might have been encouraged to come back. I thought we played some great football at times (the move for James missed header) and deserved to win. It was also nice to see the stadium half full.

Now, if people complain because of the prices then fair enough. If they complain because we are not as good as we were under sturrock then fair enough. However, if they complain when we are clearly trying 100% and dominating a team who is 'running away with the league' then there is something seriously wrong. :evil:

[TheBigCheese]

It's the oh so predictable booing at the end that gets me. Sure we didn't win but not through want of trying, if that was a performance worthy of booing then I'd hate to see the reaction of some of these fools after some games.

[Tranmere Saintee]

Even my better half was pleasantly surprised on Saturday - it was the first game she had enjoyed for ages.

[Broggy Man]

My good friend :shock: :roll: who sits behind me again spent the first 20 mins howling abuse at Martin Hardie but that wasnt the best he was calling him Owen Coyle with such jibes as your to old hang up your boots Coyle. What a bloody joke i am definatly moving seat next season :shock: :roll: