#08 - 30/08/08 - Clyde (h)

[Sainteesean]

can genuinley see nothing other than a win for this one.

im not sure why i am so confident.

hopefully another defender before then (cb)

but if we have a little luck and the team playing as we did against livingston, its hard not to see a win.

3-1 saints and dundee to drop some points to qots

[SJFC1988,]

can genuinley see nothing other than a win for this one.
im not sure why i am so confident.

hopefully another defender before then (cb)

im not sure whats causing my confidence.

but if we have a little luck and the team playing as we did against livingston, its hard not to see a win.

3-1 saints and dundee to drop some points to qots

not sure:eek:

[Sainteesean]

Main
irvine caff/ando newboy/ando morgan
millar mckoy craig/hardie craig/swankie
holmes/jacko/savo/samuel.

not a very finalised 11 haha, but its still a couple of days away

[Pablo]

Main
Irvine McCaff Ando Morgan
Millar McKoy Hardie Craig
Jacko Savo

3-0 Saints and cries of what was all the fuss about!?

[soulfulsaint]

Main
Irvine McCaff Ando Morgan
Millar McKoy Hardie Craig
Jacko Savo

3-0 Saints and cries of what was all the fuss about!?

Agreed but if Sheerin is fit I'd make room for him. Great player. Otherwise same team and 2-0.
Fuss - what fuss?

[Radford 72]

I think if we show the same attitude and play in the same manner as at Livingston, we should get a positive result but whilst Clyde may not be on a par with Dunfermline and Thistle, they'll have enough about them to win the match if we think we just need to turn up. We've had some really tough games against them in recent years and I doubt there is a harder working team in the league.

I certainly don't expect the five or six changes we've seen after the last couple of matches and we need to try and maintain the good shape we had on Tuesday.

Main

Irvine - McCaffrey - Anderson - Morgan

Millar - McKoy - Hardie - Craig

Not so sure on the striker front. Clyde are supposedly pretty weak physically so Holmes might be the best option but I'm drawn towards Samuel and Jackson at the moment.

[garydavidson]

samuel and jacko both offer a great deal of strength upfront so i would probably go with them and as soulful says if sheerin is fit I would put him on even if only for 50-60 minutes.

[Jimmy Wallace]

I'd go for Jacko and Savo up front. I've not been impressed by what I've seen of our other strikers so far. Holmes did ok against Stenhousemuir, but otherwise, despite an ok first touch, he doesn't seem to achieve much. I'd love Samuel to be a success but I hae ma doubts.

[ryangordon86]

I think if we show the same attitude and play in the same manner as at Livingston, we should get a positive result but whilst Clyde may not be on a par with Dunfermline and Thistle, they'll have enough about them to win the match if we think we just need to turn up. We've had some really tough games against them in recent years and I doubt there is a harder working team in the league.

I certainly don't expect the five or six changes we've seen after the last couple of matches and we need to try and maintain the good shape we had on Tuesday.

Main

Irvine - McCaffrey - Anderson - Morgan

Millar - McKoy - Hardie - Craig

Not so sure on the striker front. Clyde are supposedly pretty weak physically so Holmes might be the best option but I'm drawn towards Samuel and Jackson at the moment.

My line up too

[Scobby_SJFC]

A must win, already in the season
hopefully we will have the players playing to potential will be enough for the 3 points
No albertz this time!!

[Finners]

I havent seen saitns play yet this season but im hoping to turn up for this game v clyde....

Dare I ask - what should I expect? I hear Millar has been one of the best players we've brought in - anyone not doing so well at the moment?

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I,ll take a win,any kinda win,with hopefully a more settled team with as few changes as possible.I do think it will be tough though as Clyde always come to McD and defend with 11 players behind the ball, making it difficult for us to score at the best of times.Our strikers are hardly on fire at the minute though so that is a worry.Team wise ,as similar to Tuesday night as possible, but I would have Savo in there every time.The problem with playing Holmes( who I think is a good player) is that we always seem to just punt the ball up to him and look for flick-ons or knock- downs which have done us no good at all so far.We need width( how many times have I said this)We've got to get at the opposition, get crosses in from the by-line while defenders are backtracking.We have the players to do this.Am I the only one who thinks it the route one stuff thats killing us?I know Stenny were lower league but when we got crosses in we scored.Against Livi we got a cross in and scored.Holmes is much better attacking crosses and trying to score than being a target man (IMO).But a win, any win will do right now.

[Scobby_SJFC]

I,ll take a win,any kinda win,with hopefully a more settled team with as few changes as possible.I do think it will be tough though as Clyde always come to McD and defend with 11 players behind the ball, making it difficult for us to score at the best of times.Our strikers are hardly on fire at the minute though so that is a worry.Team wise ,as similar to Tuesday night as possible, but I would have Savo in there every time.The problem with playing Holmes( who I think is a good player) is that we always seem to just punt the ball up to him and look for flick-ons or knock- downs which have done us no good at all so far.We need width( how many times have I said this)We've got to get at the opposition, get crosses in from the by-line while defenders are backtracking.We have the players to do this.Am I the only one who thinks it the route one stuff thats killing us?I know Stenny were lower league but when we got crosses in we scored.Against Livi we got a cross in and scored.Holmes is much better attacking crosses and trying to score than being a target man (IMO).But a win, any win will do right now.

The punt although I agree with you is overused,but it is nessicary to play Holmes because we seem to employ that tactic with however is on the park up front, so Holmes must play if we're going to punt it anyway

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

The punt although I agree with you is overused,but it is nessicary to play Holmes because we seem to employ that tactic with however is on the park up front, so Holmes must play if we're going to punt it anyway

Lets hope they get radicle then and punt the punt....Lets try pass and move ,give and go.cross and GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[Scobby_SJFC]

Lets hope they get radicle then and punt the punt....Lets try pass and move ,give and go.cross and GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

One can only dream

[Chansey]

Main

Irvine - McCaffrey - Anderson - Morgan

Millar - McKoy - Hardie - Craig

Not so sure on the striker front. Clyde are supposedly pretty weak physically so Holmes might be the best option but I'm drawn towards Samuel and Jackson at the moment.


Due to the more success we got from that team a couple of days ago, i would go the same, with Samy and Jacko upfront, we continue to punt the ball to Holmes whenever he's on the pitch.

Any chance for Craig through the middle though? :p

[saintee4life]

if an it could be a big if we match clydes workrate, commitment and enthusiasm then we will win and get a confidence booster. as far as strikers go we need to pick a pairing and stick withit for a run of games. think millar plays better central rather than right. 2-0 saints

[Brian Potter]

Main

Irvine Caff Ando Morgan


Swankie McCoy Millar Craig


Milne Jackson


Hardie to sit this one out for me!

[541ntees]

i'd like to see swankie start to give us width but i'd start the same team that was much improved against livi just to settle the team and give us some consistency. Tho we still have another day of training so no doubt someone willget injured, lets hope its not a defender.

[ancientsaint]

Lets hope they get radicle then and punt the punt....Lets try pass and move ,give and go.cross and GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)


Yea.....i hope at least one of the management team log into and read this forum.....its been a long long time since we actually played "passing game" instead of this predictable "airborne ball" to the forwards for almost 90 mins of a game.......opposing teams know this is gonna happen.....keep it on the deck-thats where the majority of our squad have the skill.

[R.B.B:- Adz]

Have to say i fancy us for this one. Not simply beacause of the "improved" performance v livi(had to be improved when we got pumped 4-0 and 3-0 really didnt it) but because i just think we will be too good for clyde even if we play gash. I think the team is almost getting to a stage now where we're starting to see Del's favourites e.g. Samuel, Miller and he has taken a real shine to McCoy and also its obvious he usually see's Holmes operate better as a substitute. Main is the only obvious starter as del has made it clear he is preferred to mclean and also for obvious reasons left back picks itself. Apart from the strikers the team virtually picks itself due to defensive injuries. Will be interesting to see his midfeild choices but given his recent comments on the form of Hardie/Craig and Jacko its hard to see them missing out and due to the fact that he is not Savo's biggest fan we're likely to see jacko get the nod.


Main

Irvine Ando Caff Morgan

Hardie Miller McCoy Craig

Sammy Jacko


Mclean Sheerin Swankie Milne Holmes

[MUZZ]

i've never felt so downbeat about a game at this stage of the season in a long time.

[O'Rourke]

i've never felt so downbeat about a game at this stage of the season in a long time.

I think a very drastic improvement is required now to save Del from losing the support completely.

[MUZZ]

I think a very drastic improvement is required now to save Del from losing the support completely.

thing is, i like del. like him a lot more than coyle. he needs to settle on his first xi and formation though. needs to get the players busting a gut to win every ball.

[O'Rourke]

thing is, i like del. like him a lot more than coyle. he needs to settle on his first xi and formation though. needs to get the players busting a gut to win every ball.

more than anything he needs to get guys like you back onside and that means seeing guys playing with heart

[Southpaw]

I'm hopeful that this will be a bit of a turning point for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I think we'll have a more settled team tomorrow and not the wholesale changes we've had for the last month. This should have a positive effect on the team and hopefully we can build on tomorrows performance. Secondly, I think we'll get a positive result and performance tomorrow. We've then got a couple of weeks to settle down and work our way to the top end of the table.

I'll go for

Main
Irvine, Ando, Caff, Morgan
Millar, McKoy, Hardie, Craig
Samuel, Jackson

If we're further behind the top teams by tomorrow night I will be gutted. We can't afford to lose ground when we've got a home game against one of the poorer teams in the Division.

Good luck Saints.

[slf]

aye good luck saints

[Dave H]

I had a vision, a 5-0 home win!

[MUZZ]

I had a vision, a 5-0 home win!
you're pissed

[soulfulsaint]

c'mon saints best of luck

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Saints to win,me to keep my gob shut and silky fitba at McD.A perfect day

Come on Saints ,we can do it.Lets get the ball rolling and create something which will snowball into a Juggernaught and ultimately take us to the title in May 2009.

[stanley saint]

Come on Saints ,we can do it.Lets get the ball rolling and create something which will snowball into a Juggernaught and ultimately take us to the title in May 2009.

consistencey is needed, but any sort of win today can be the start of something good

[stanley saint]

I had a vision, a 5-0 home win!

i had the same vision , were you also on the gin last night

[herdo]

We need to get behind the team 100% today. There's no doubt clyde will play for the draw so if its not always going to plan the players need some vocal SUPPORT, not criticism.

[StDuncM]

I have a feeling that some team soon are in for a heluva beating. That team will be Clyde. 4-0.

C'mon the Saints!

[templeofsaints]

I have a feeling that some team soon are in for a heluva beating. That team will be Clyde. 4-0.

C'mon the Saints!
I've been thinking the same for a Saints side under Owen / Del for about 2 years - hope it happens today :)

[scotty gordon]

Why The Fcuk Does Del Not Play Swankie

[The Real Saints]

Missed the match away to Livingston as I have been in England for the last week, but arrived back an hour ago and will be at the match today. Looking forward to it, having heard some promising things about our improvement in performance on Tuesday. Interested to see McKoy and Morgan today.

I would start -

Main

Irvine Anderson McCaffrey Morgan

Millar Hardie McKoy Craig

Jackson Samuel

[O'Rourke]

get it up them

[SaintSam1884]

Why The Fcuk Does Del Not Play Swankie

Because he can only be fitted in the wide positions and both Millar and Craig are better.

[StDuncM]

oops 1-0 them!
Main, Irvine, Morgan, McKoy, Anderson, McCaffrey, Millar, Hardie, Jackson, Samuel, Craig

[sleepless]

i don't believe this...

[StDuncM]

Ross beating Thistle as well!

[saintee4life]

i did warn if we didnt match them for commitment we would be in trouble. we need an arse booter in there

[Indicator]

They're takin' the piss - and now Dundee are 1 up.

[angussaint]

Now they're takin' the piss - and now Dundee are 1 up.

Queens have got 1 back, Thank FCUK!

[Tarvie]

Holy crap, title favourites sitting in the playoff spot if it stays like this

[injured saint]

0-2

[saintee4life]

2-0

[StDuncM]

oops, 2-0. Time for the subs to come on!

[angussaint]

Fcuk 2-0 to them, Why can't Del just quit now, We can't go on like this

[sleepless]

2-0

how much are ticket prices in the second division?

[StDuncM]

Fcuk 2-0 to them, Why can't Del just quit now, We can't go on like this

O ye of little faith.

[StDuncM]

1-2!

[injured saint]

1-2

[saintee4life]

guys, i got slated on here for sayin things are not as they should be in the dressing-room hopefully now some people may begin to believe me now. this is just not saints at all. come on lads get the finger out. 2-1

[StDuncM]

guys, i got slated on here for sayin things are not as they should be in the dressing-room hopefully now some people may begin to believe me now. this is just not saints at all. come on lads get the finger out. 2-1

B***ocks!

[injured saint]

1-2 mccaffery

[inex]

I was about to say if Saints dont score today and Clyde put any more on, it would surely have to be classified as a nightmare.

[angussaint]

O ye of little faith.

After too many seasons like this, Oh yes I have little faith, I have serious worries when we meet Dundee.

[alzo]

queens winnin 2-1

[StDuncM]

Dundee behind 2-1 Robertson off for Partick!

[Indicator]

I have a feeling that some team soon are in for a heluva beating. That team will be Clyde. 4-0.

C'mon the Saints!

4-2 Maybe?

[StDuncM]

4-2 Maybe?

On the Prediction Thread I changed it to 4-2 after mulling over the team selection and condsidering our frailities in defence!

[injured saint]

1-2 ht

[inex]

Just realised we could be in 9th position in about an hour. :(

[angussaint]

I wonder if it would be better to have Euan back in goal, While Main has been in goal we've lost 11 goals & scored 2, surely we've got to give this young keeper a bit more of a chance.

[saintee4life]

B***ocks!wots up wi your b***ocks dunc?:)

[StDuncM]

Just realised we could be in 9th position in about an hour. :(
Quick goal at the start and we are back in the mix.

[101 Saint]

Lack of fight again. Irvine and Hardie (captain) off form, Millar wasted on the right, sammy drifting in and out. Jacko and Liam coming back to ties best. del is wearing a suit!

[Indicator]

Ah well - I like to see a smart manager. :) I'm going to work.

[saintee4life]

Lack of fight again. Irvine and Hardie (captain) off form, Millar wasted on the right, sammy drifting in and out. Jacko and Liam coming back to ties best. del is wearing a suit!he was siuted on tuesday aswel. get swanks on an give him a free role to run riot

[101 Saint]

I wonder if it would be better to have Euan back in goal, While Main has been in goal we've lost 11 goals & scored 2, surely we've got to give this young keeper a bit more of a chance.
You're not serious? Anyway, Craig to left back and Sheerin left midfield. Morgan surely injured? Jackson? Only Del knows.

[angussaint]

You're not serious? Anyway, Craig to left back and Sheerin left midfield. Morgan surely injured? Jackson? Only Del knows.

How many goals did Euan let in compared so far to Main?

[blueheaven]

...del is wearing a suit!

Well that's just the last straw for me... McInnes must go!:p

[saintee4life]

i know he scored a lot last season but somehow jacko looks a yard short of pace at the moment. anyone agree?

[Dunfermline Saint]

ok, you have paid your money, but does it really help at all to boo the players two mins into a game. It was only one nil and doesnt help with confidence@

[101 Saint]

Anyone that doesn't believe in miracles should be here. What a difference in attitude and play between first and second half.

[saintee4life]

saints lookin a lot livlier 2nd half cmon lads

[Tarvie]

Anyone that doesn't believe in miracles should be here. What a difference in attitude and play between first and second half.

Lets see if that translates into goals, attitude is a good thing but we cant lose this one

[saint sid]

2-2

[Tarvie]

Airdire are pumping morton 5-0

[saintee4life]

2-2 homer

[Scobby_SJFC]

yessssssss

get in, sherlock!!

[injured saint]

2-2 holmes

[Tarvie]

Another one or 2 would be good

[inex]

Cant lose this now

[saintee4life]

mayb we found an arse booter at half-time................is aggie back?

[Tarvie]

Dobbie gets another 3-1 for Queens over the Scum

[scotty gordon]

Scum Getting Beat Saints On The Up
Come On You Saints

[Scobby_SJFC]

Another one or 2 would be good

Id take any win!!!

[saint sid]

3-2 feckin clyde

[Tarvie]

Feck

[saintee4life]

still 2-2

[injured saint]

2-3

[Scobby_SJFC]

crap 2-3

[Tarvie]

still 2-2

Feck again

[saintee4life]

2-3 now

[scotty gordon]

Del Must Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[saintee4life]

Del Must Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not just yet. sum players first

[Scobby_SJFC]

This is heading for a nother poor result, we have to resuce a point!!

[inex]

Meanwhile Downing misses a penalty and Hoyte scores an own goal. Shite at Arsenal and shite at Middlesbrough. Pr!ck!

[Aitchy]

Only so many excuses can be given for losing 4 games in a row, losing 12 goals and only scoring 3, it really is poor stuff. Im not of the opinion that Del should be sacked, but i have a funny feeling that he might just walk like John Collins did at Hibs. Whatever happened to all that pre season optimism....

[Scobby_SJFC]

Only so many excuses can be given for losing 4 games in a row, losing 12 goals and only scoring 3, it really is poor stuff. Im not of the opinion that Del should be sacked, but i have a funny feeling that he might just walk like John Collins did at Hibs. Whatever happened to all that pre season optimism....

I miss preseason

[inex]

Tuncay scores!!!!!!

...........and go you Saints. :)

[saintee4life]

Only so many excuses can be given for losing 4 games in a row, losing 12 goals and only scoring 3, it really is poor stuff. Im not of the opinion that Del should be sacked, but i have a funny feeling that he might just walk like John Collins did at Hibs. Whatever happened to all that pre season optimism....dont think hes a strong enough character to be a manager hes to nice

[injured saint]

2-3 ft

[Scobby_SJFC]

all over shocking defeat, questions will deffinatly being asked of Derek now, simply not good enough, epecially with Dundee and Partick being beaten
Promotion contenders, we're having a laugh

[Tarvie]

all over

Thats an understatement........its all over alright.

[Aitchy]

dont think hes a strong enough character to be a manager hes to nice

Got to disagree with that, i do think he can be ruthless, he is not scared to drop or sub players, however it just dosent seem to be working for him at the moment, its very rare that a player goes from being a player at a club to then go on to become a succesful manager of the same club. I think if anyone is too nice its the players, we need far more characters and grit in the team. Im off to slit my wrists..

[inex]

I think Saints now manage to go 8th on goal difference with Ross County equal on 4 points in 9th. Yippee!!

[angussaint]

Del Must Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said this early on in this post & was shot down in flames, We should go for Moore (Stirling Albion), Jim Weir (Montrose) at least these Ex-Players know all about how saints play cos Del certainly does'nt.


Del must go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Invernessaint]

I said this early on in this post & was shot down in flames, We should go for Moore (Stirling Albion), Jim Weir (Montrose) at least these Ex-Players know all about how saints play cos Del certainly does'nt.


Del must go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not that Dell will be sacked but if he is then its Gordon Chisholm for me - the above names will not cut it IMHO

[saintee4life]

i did see a fast car headin to montrose as the final whistle blew

[inex]

The team was playing well at the end of last season and with basically the same players and a few new additions who are supposedly adding more class to the team, whats going wrong? Are Saints just predictable or what?

If there is any positive even though we are in 8th/9th position only 6 points from the top!

[angussaint]

Not that Dell will be sacked but if he is then its Gordon Chisholm for me - the above names will not cut it IMHO

Chis isn't going to leave Queens to come to this pish.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Who would want the job right now??
Every week we say we need to get behind the team, but theres only so much fans can give without getting anything to get behind

[Invernessaint]

The team was playing well at the end of last season and with basically the same players and a few new additions who are supposedly adding more class to the team, whats going wrong? Are Saints just predictable or what?

If there is any positive even though we are in 8th/9th position only 6 points from the top!

Here is a positive one for you - an ex player called Davie Weatherston ripped Dundee apart with his pace apparently!! Good to see ex players doing so well!

[saintee4life]

Here is a positive one for you - an ex player called Davie Weatherston ripped Dundee apart with his pace apparently!! Good to see ex players doing so well!that always happens when a player leaves us. i think we should rip the whole feckin thing apart and start again coaching staff the lot

[angussaint]

How many times are we going sell half decent players our rivals in the same league, then you all know they'll come back haunt us?

[St Mikey]

Brilliant Result.

Keep The Faith, Coz That Means We Know We Are Crap.

Mcinnes Said That A Good Team Doesnt Go To Bad Overnight, Well No Shit Sherlock, You Have Done It.

[Saintly Child]

Thought the 2nd half we played well today, again the defence was shambolic with the left back being the problem.
Morgan was crap.
You could see the confidence come back after Saints made it 2-2 and they looked like a side of old.

I'm still sticking with Del I think he can get us out of this mess.

Give him 3 more games to turn it round then he's might struggle to find any support.

Strange to take McKoy the best player on the park off today.

[SJC]

Completely shocked at that result today after we equalised the players completely gave up.

When their third went in my opinion of McInnes changed, I no longer have any bad feelings against him because it isn't his fault that he has been appointed to a position of which he is incapable of doing.

Reportedly a decent bloke, don't know where he goes from here- he subbed his most recent signing at half time then McCoy shortly after.

We were an absolute mess in the First Half, you will never see any professional team concede a goal like Clyde's first today, picked the ball up in his own half and ran through completely unchallenged.

To come back and equalise was impressive- surely there could only be one winner from there?! US!!

Then everything just faded away again to nothing, how can that happen?

Staggering performance, a neutral must love St Johnstone matches.

Second Bottom now and can't see where our next win is coming from, I was sure we would have won today as well especially as we were only playing Clyde, shocking situation at this club at the moment.


Not even angry anymore, no longer calling for McInnes head, thought we had turned things round when we equalised and that would be the turning point but the players just threw it away.

The defence were again a joke, Hardie spent the entire game hiding high up the pitch, nothing there to be hopeful about.

[saintee4life]

Brilliant Result.

Keep The Faith, Coz That Means We Know We Are Crap.

Mcinnes Said That A Good Team Doesnt Go To Bad Overnight, Well No Shit Sherlock, You Have Done It.you will get castigated on here mikey if you dare slate anyone. the blue spec brigade will be on to you

[St Mikey]

Thought the 2nd half we played well today, again the defence was shambolic with the left back being the problem.
Morgan was crap.

Strange to take McKoy the best player on the park off today.

I agree.

BUT and a big but. Has nobody else noticed McInnes makes changes to try and make it better when the team is doing well. We got back to 2-2 and then brought on Savo, punted Samuel to the wing and it completely backfired.

I love being 2nd bottom of the league, should've guessed by the tannoy man playing "only way is up" at half time. Coincidence, I think not.

[Scott Mc]

That was utter pish! Fisher price school of tactics coupled with the mickey mouse handbook on defensive techniques made it an easy game for the Bully Wee.
Fcuking Embarrassed by what I just saw, professional football it certainly wasnt.

[saintee4life]

Completely shocked at that result today after we equalised the players completely gave up.

When their third went in my opinion of McInnes changed, I no longer have any bad feelings against him because it isn't his fault that he has been appointed to a position of which he is incapable of doing.

Reportedly a decent bloke, don't know where he goes from here- he subbed his most recent signing at half time then McCoy shortly after.

We were an absolute mess in the First Half, you will never see any professional team concede a goal like Clyde's first today, picked the ball up in his own half and ran through completely unchallenged.

To come back and equalise was impressive- surely there could only be one winner from there?! US!!told you all about mmm hes either past it or doeesnt care

Then everything just faded away again to nothing, how can that happen?

Staggering performance, a neutral must love St Johnstone matches.

Second Bottom now and can't see where our next win is coming from, I was sure we would have won today as well especially as we were only playing Clyde, shocking situation at this club at the moment.


Not even angry anymore, no longer calling for McInnes head, thought we had turned things round when we equalised and that would be the turning point but the players just threw it away.

The defence were again a joke, Hardie spent the entire game hiding high up the pitch, nothing there to be hopeful about.told you about mmm

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

we've lost 10 goals in three league games.!!!!!!Not wasting my time talking about the game or any part of the team, bar one.The defence is hopeless.Just completely hopeless.I,m not going to blame the players though as they are only as good as they are( mainly shite).The Manager MUST take the blame .His team ,his tactics,his motivation, his responsibilitty.We have two days to find a bloody defence.
We are now officially a joke...........:sad:

[MUZZ]

the team is fecked. the players aint playing for the boss. main, hardie and the rest of coyles golden children should go now. they are holding this team back. time for people to stop being so blinkered about hardie by the way. just a moaning faced twat now who realises his best days are past him and blames his team mates.

also, samuel is not a footballer.

[St Mikey]

We are now officially a joke...........:sad:

Ghostie my man, I thought we were a joke when Partick done us over or even at the home game v Dunfy.

I would honestly not be letting them have days off, in for training 2moro no doubts.

[Havana Club Saintee]

Samuel going onto the wing was possibly one of Del's better moves today, as Holmes was winning a lot of balls in the air. Now we have to suffer two weeks sitting ninth before three very very tough games. Dingwall and Dumfries away followed by you know who will be difficult.

As for Anderson.................where do you start!!?!!? One thing very noticeable from where we were sitting today, is that we are very very quiet, very little dialogue going on.

I don't think we will finish 9th though. Sad times, our North Stand is going to get demolished, whilst teams are demolishing us on the pitch.

Time to hit the pub....... COME ON YE SAINTS

[Jamie_Beatson]

AAAAAAAARGH!

First goal was an outrage. Mackay walked from the half way line to box and just stroked it home. Not a challenge. Clyde's second was just as simple - corner in, no challenge and nodded in. We pulled one back late in the first half when McKoy won a header well and McCaffrey sclaffed it over the line.

All in all, there wasn't really much in it in the first half, and Clyde didn't really threaten us at all. That said, we weren't much better.

Second half was a different scenario though - we came out with infintely more fight and dig and drive, with Sheerin and Holmes (coming on for Morgan and Jackson) making a huge difference. Holmes was giving their centre halfs a torrid time and scored the equaliser after a lovely cross from Sheerin.

Before the restart though, McKoy was subbed off with Milne coming on - big mistake as Hardie was absolutely shagged. We kept going for a few minutes, but couldn't keep up the pace we had set early on in the second half. But we were keeping Clyde at bay. They started to get down our flanks a bit more without creating anything outstanding.

Then disaster - the ref (who was niggly and booked players for next to nothing while letting blatant fouls go unpunished) gives Clyde a free kick 25 yards out for next to nothing. I think it was McCaff (but may have been Ando) jumped with the Clyde forward, who flicked it on to no-one. Our defender jumped cleanly with no arms and went for the ball - but the ref gave the free kick. Their boy smashed the free kick goalwards - and saw it take a deflection and fly past Main.

That completely knocked the stuffing out of Saints and we didn't really threaten after that. Clyde created their best chance of the match in the last couple of minutes, flashing a ball across goal which was met at the back post, with Main making a good save. The frustrating thing for us was that Clyde didn't need to create to score. I can't think of another save that Main had to make other than one in the last minutes when the game was already wrapped up.

Our players clearly have the ability - we showed it in patches today - but can't maintain it over a game and lose so many silly goals. We also aren't getting any breaks at the moment (eg Clyde's winner) - but is always said, you make your own luck.

[St Mikey]

Spot On Jamie!

[nips]

McKoy looked ****ed as well which was why he was taken off.

We look okay in the middle of the park, but we're lacking any sort of creativity in the final 3rd and the defence is just a shambles. Never mind, the next 3 games should be easy enough.....

[lossiesaint]

We also aren't getting any breaks at the moment (eg Clyde's winner) - but is always said, you make your own luck.

Hmmm, the sound fo the relegation candidates through and through. Just like Stark said when we left the SPL.

[101 Saint]

Think McKoy and Hardie we're both gubbed and as Hardie was the Capn today, he got to stay. McKoy is gonna be an enigma. Some wonderful stuff and some woeful stuff all with the same nonchalence. Can't believe the subs today. At half time, Jacko should've stayed on, Sammy put wide and Millar through the middle with either MMM or McKoy. That would have allowed us to bring on Swankie (left or right depending on fitness levels on 60 mins). Am I alone in being unable to comprehend why Del disnae play him?

[THE REBEL SAINT]

no passion to the club!!

:( :( :(

[Radford 72]

Second Bottom now and can't see where our next win is coming from...
That's my concern as well. All the good work that was done on Tuesday has vanished.

Real low today as we were beaten by a poor side. After the Dunfermline and Thistle defeats, we could point to the fact they were very good, today Saints' failings are only too clear though.

[saintee4life]

we are not as fit as other teams in the league. WHY?

[HertsSaintee]

We look okay in the middle of the park, but we're lacking any sort of creativity in the final 3rd and the defence is just a shambles.

I agree with your 2nd and 3rd observations there. However, we do not look ok in the slightest in the middle of the park. Taking McKoy off was suicide, as Hardie was fecked. Not that we were first to the ball in the middle at any point this afternoon anyway, that just compounded our ineptitude. Sheerin gave us a wee spark but he's not a ball winner which is what we were crying out for. Basic ball skills lacking from too many players, and an awkward disjointed feel to the whole thing, even when we managed to claw our way back. I'm also convinced Millar has conned the lot of us - all the guy can do is check his forward runs, then run back towards our goal and either get forced off the ball or play an overhit "pass" that floats out for a throw. Far cry from the silky skills shown in the first 2 games. Quicker Mooner is back the better.

Another home defeat with another 3 goals shipped. Can anybody really still be churning out excuses and keeping faith with this manager? Not me - our problems are so obvious a blind man could fix it, and from where I'm sitting McInnes doesn't have a clue how to. We can forget about the league this season if it continues like this - the teams we need to keep pace with now are the Airdries, the Clydes and the Ross Countys, as they are the sides that we'll be fighting relegation with at the end of the season. After tomorrow night we're stuck with the players we've got until January too. Time up McInnes - go and learn how to become a good football manager at the likes of Albion Rovers or Dumbarton (no disrespect to them mind...), and leave St Johnstone alone. Get Jim Weir back. At least he might be able to organise our defence - christ even him playing for us at the 92 he is now would be better than what we have.

Let the blue-tinted-spec backlash begin...

[HertsSaintee]

That's my concern as well. All the good work that was done on Tuesday has vanished.

Real low today as we were beaten by a poor side. After the Dunfermline and Thistle defeats, we could point to the fact they were very good, today Saints' failings are only too clear though.

Sorry Radford, only the Pars resembled anything approaching a good football team - which makes it all the worse really.

[saintee4life]

herts your spot on man. At last someone is reading off the same hymn sheet as i am

[Mr_Plow]

Main - Did what we had to, wasn't to blame for the goals.

Irvine - starting to lose my patience with him. No confidence to tackle competently or beat a man to get a cross in from the by-line. Crosses too much from deep. Hardly ever stop the opponent getting a cross in. (it's all about the crosses ;))

McCaffery - not sure.

Ando - Did ok, should have been more careful in the lead up to the foul that lead to Clyde's 3rd.

Morgan - had a mare.

Millar - had a decent game but is NOT SUITED to right mid. He should be slotted back to centre-mid where he belongs (at the expense of Hardie IMO).

Hardie - disappointing, doesn't take responsibility for his mistakes and quite happy to give other players a bollocking instead. He is, however, woefully unfit.

McKoy - shaky first half but much improved in the second. Always kept the ball and rarely wasted a pass.

Craig - did ok, but hardly outstanding. Linked up well with Sheerin (when he came on).

Jacko - has to do better and needs a goal to get his confidence up.

Samuel - get's bullied off the ball constantly, despite being a big guy. Can at least take a man on. But he needs to mak more of a contribution.

Subs:

Sheerin - Turned the game. Showed class and composure. Played some lovely football.

Holmes - did well, put himself about. Won headers and unsettled Clyde's defence.

Savo - worked hard but he needs to be much more clinical.

Overall, I think some of the fans' attitudes today was abysmal today. Many would seem to much rather have a bitch and a moan instead of ANY encouragement. Fair enough, we were poor first half, but shouting abuse at every short pass, inaccurate header is overkill. And the boo-ers can sod off too, it achieves nothing. We seem to forget at times that we are football team in the Scottish 1st Division and not in La Liga or the Premiership.

Also, I think McInnes has to play a balanced team. Millar is not a right mid. He is a better player than Swankie, but Swankie is more suited on the wing. Drop Hardie and replace him with Millar. At times today there was acres of space down the right but Millar was too busy mopping up stuff in central mid.

[101 Saint]

Sorry Radford, only the Pars resembled anything approaching a good football team - which makes it all the worse really.

I didn't see the Pars game but Partick were nowt special. My gaffer's a Scumdee bawbag and he saw their game against Thistle at Dens and wasn't impressed by them. Clyde today were better than Clyde of the last few years but.... man for man we're better, sadly as a team we aren't.

[Saline Saint]

dont agree we were beaten by a poor team Clyde looked no more than a team of skiinny school boys but by god they fought for oneanother and were first to everything in the first half.Sheerin brought some guts to the team when he came on.I think we all know which was the poor team today

[Andy]

Main - Did what we had to, wasn't to blame for the goals.

Was totally at fault for the second goal, a cross into the 6 yard box should be the keepers ball.

[templeofsaints]

Temple reports up now -utter pish today. Little to smile about and too many players are not showing the sort of fight required to get us back on track.

Right now I'd have McLean back in for Main - he was at fault for their 2nd today. Hardie should be dropped - he's off form and his indiscipline, continual loss of possession is costing us and as skipper he's setting a crap example. Compare his attitude to Sheerin's when the latter came on. Get Millar into the middle alongside Crispy - that would at least let Swankie / Sammy on the right midfield.
Drop Jacko - I'm not sure if its a lack of fitness or sharpness but he's well off the pace and doesn't look like scoring - at least Savo had a couple of goes. WTF was Peaso not even in the squad.
I don't think Del will go yet - I can't think who we'd get into replace him. But he has to start reading the riot act to his players. Bugger their days off and get them in for a mini pre-season over the next couple of weeks to get some team spirit back and get the fitness levels up. Maybe then we have a feint chance of looking like a team again.

[StDuncM]

Maybe then we have a feint chance of looking like a team again.

Quite like your use of the word ''feint'' ToS!

Definition - feint attack is designed to draw defensive action towards the point under assault.

A feint retreat is performed by briefly engaging the enemy, then retreating. It is intended to draw the enemy pursuit into a prepared ambush, or to cause disarray.

Clearly you know what you are talking about having witnessed it!

[templeofsaints]

Quite like your use of the word ''feint'' ToS!

Definition - feint attack is designed to draw defensive action towards the point under assault.

A feint retreat is performed by briefly engaging the enemy, then retreating. It is intended to draw the enemy pursuit into a prepared ambush, or to cause disarray.

Clearly you know what you are talking about having witnessed it!

Aye bring back the white shirts - it makes the surrender a lot simpler at 3.05pm:twisted:

[Chansey]

Just back home, and at the moment all i can say is i'm fed up!!!

Roll on the Scotland games!!

[101 Saint]

Temple reports up now -utter pish today. Little to smile about and too many players are not showing the sort of fight required to get us back on track.

Right now I'd have McLean back in for Main - he was at fault for their 2nd today. Hardie should be dropped - he's off form and his indiscipline, continual loss of possession is costing us and as skipper he's setting a crap example. Compare his attitude to Sheerin's when the latter came on. Get Millar into the middle alongside Crispy - that would at least let Swankie / Sammy on the right midfield.
Drop Jacko - I'm not sure if its a lack of fitness or sharpness but he's well off the pace and doesn't look like scoring - at least Savo had a couple of goes. WTF was Peaso not even in the squad.
I don't think Del will go yet - I can't think who we'd get into replace him. But he has to start reading the riot act to his players. Bugger their days off and get them in for a mini pre-season over the next couple of weeks to get some team spirit back and get the fitness levels up. Maybe then we have a feint chance of looking like a team again.

Main is better than McLean. I assume there was a shout (directed at Main) to leave it.

Jacko needs games and we need to support him. He is showing better form and one goal (no matter how flukey) will open the floodgates for him. He is a precocious talent. Bear in mind the lack of service he had today. Sammy is a useless striking partner for him. He needs to start games with Homer and he will come good.

[101 Saint]

Radders made a good point about the team footwear. Too many wearing unsuitable boots for the conditions. Jim Duffy banned moulds when he last managed Dundee and I wonder if there is a validity about that? "Back the Studs" campaign, starring Jacko, Ando and James!!!!!!

[templeofsaints]

Main is better than McLean. I assume there was a shout (directed at Main) to leave it.

Jacko needs games and we need to support him. He is showing better form and one goal (no matter how flukey) will open the floodgates for him. He is a precocious talent. Bear in mind the lack of service he had today. Sammy is a useless striking partner for him. He needs to start games with Homer and he will come good.

Main has been caught at corners since coming back. Just ask yourself, if McLean had been in goal for the last 3 games would we have been calling for a change?

Jacko might need confidence etc but he shouldn't be getting it if we're struggling as a team. Savo and Holmes have both been scoring this season and should start ahead of him. Peaso has more experience and IMHO is a better finisher. I just don't think we can spare the games waiting on him to come good - possibly keep him on the bench in the vague hope we can use him once we're 3 or 4-0 up and are dominating games. Right now he's not doing the business.

[Chansey]

"Back the Studs" campaign

The "keep the faith" campaign could be changed to the "Back the duds" campaign....?!?!

No? ok!!

The point about peaso, i don't know why but i was under the impression he wasn't fit, the fact he was left the squad on tuesday and today is odd to say the least.

[THE LARK SAINT]

[QUOTE=nips;151842]McKoy looked ****ed as well which was why he was taken off.

We look okay in the middle of the park, but we're lacking any sort of creativity in the final 3rd and the defence is just a shambles. Never mind, the next 3 games should be easy e

nips, i would play you at centre half before Anderson!!!

[StDuncM]

Thistle fans directed their ''fat chant'' at MacDonald and it cetainly looked justified from where I was stood. I agree with Ghostie on another thread. Get rid even if he is not the ''one causing the trouble''

[101 Saint]

Jacko might need confidence etc but he shouldn't be getting it if we're struggling as a team. Savo and Holmes have both been scoring this season and should start ahead of him. Peaso has more experience and IMHO is a better finisher. I just don't think we can spare the games waiting on him to come good - possibly keep him on the bench in the vague hope we can use him once we're 3 or 4-0 up and are dominating games. Right now he's not doing the business.

I'm not sure than Homes and Savo work together, neither are proper strikers. You could also say that we have nothing to lose by playing him! It's not as if playing him would cost us 9 points in the last three weeks! Peaso is not a better finisher IMHO. A better poacher yes, better instincts yes, but not a better finisher. Think of all Jacko's one-v-ones last year... almost 100% success. Peaso cannae match that. Jacko did hold the ball as well as anyone today and did occasionally play others into the game, unlike Peaso.

[soulfulsaint]

Another very disaappointing result and we have reached a tipping point, where defending some players is no longer easy. My biggest fear is that it looks like another round of chopping and chninging with very few real options especially and crucially in defence. I cannot see how we can build the kind of solid defence that won Hamilton the league, or held us at bay at Livi last week. Depressing stuff.

[Jings]

The first goal was diabolical, with five or six players to blame for parting like the Red Sea. That got us off to a bloody awful start and gave Clyde all the encouragement they needed.
If we start like that every home game, we're going down. Teams are going to look foward to coming to "Fortress McDiairmid.

[Watty]

Another very disaappointing result and we have reached a tipping point, where defending some players is no longer easy. My biggest fear is that it looks like another round of chopping and chninging with very few real options especially and crucially in defence. I cannot see how we can build the kind of solid defence that won Hamilton the league, or held us at bay at Livi last week. Depressing stuff.

I know, its got me reaching for the happy pils too, you'll be changin your username to Soulless Saints at this rate.

[Watty]

I'm not sure than Homes and Savo work together, neither are proper strikers. You could also say that we have nothing to lose by playing him! It's not as if playing him would cost us 9 points in the last three weeks! Peaso is not a better finisher IMHO. A better poacher yes, better instincts yes, but not a better finisher. Think of all Jacko's one-v-ones last year... almost 100% success. Peaso cannae match that. Jacko did hold the ball as well as anyone today and did occasionally play others into the game, unlike Peaso.

Jacko last season and Jacko this season is like comparing night and day 101. He'd be lucky to be able to manouvere into a one on one this season let alone score with aplong like he did so often last season.

[StDuncM]

The first goal was diabolical, with five or six players to blame for parting like the Red Sea. That got us off to a bloody awful start and gave Clyde all the encouragement they needed.
If we start like that every home game, we're going down. Teams are going to look foward to coming to "Fortress McDiairmid.

Sounds like one the goals at Firhil when it was also like the parting of the red sea when one of their players was allowed to run through as if he had the plague or something.

Clearly lessons have not been learned. We need some overhaul in defence, midfield and attack. Apart from that, and poor Management lead, we are doing ok!!!!

[HertsSaintee]

Radders made a good point about the team footwear. Too many wearing unsuitable boots for the conditions. Jim Duffy banned moulds when he last managed Dundee and I wonder if there is a validity about that? "Back the Studs" campaign, starring Jacko, Ando and James!!!!!!

Bloody Irvine's the worst...

[MUZZ]

Bloody Irvine's the worst...

gary irvine is playing badly at the moment. dunno whats happened to him.

[Bruno Strasser]

He is not alone Hardie has been poor - we are being completely "bossed" in the middle of the Park. The centre of defence is shambles - though disrupted by injury. This is without doubt the worst spell since Connolly's time at the club. I think relegation is a real possibility.:cry:

[saintee4life]

gary irvine is playing badly at the moment. dunno whats happened to him. dont think him an millar link well if millar went in the middle gary mite improve

[Cagey]

First half they were all poor,how they let that guy run through our midfield unchallanged I`ll never know.Second goal was goalies fault as cross should would have been collected by a schoolboy goalie.

We got back into it with a scrambled goal.

Changes at half time made a difference & we looked better with Hardie looking more interested . We got back into it with a headed goal from Holmes. From then I thought there was only one winner ,us but we passed up a few easy chances. The ref then gave them a free kick 20 yards out(does anyone know what for) which the wall or Main were unable to prevent going into the net.

We have 3 hard games ahead & we will have to do better if are not to be isolated at the bottom with Morton who some on here said not many teams would take points off when we surrendered to them in our second game.

[Cagey]

dont think him an millar link well if millar went in the middle gary mite improve

How many times has Millar played in front of him this season ?. He has never had a good game this season.

[Super Sammy Johnston]

We need a leader on the park, it struck me today that there was not anyone out there barking orders, kicking asses or getting the team fired up!!

[StDuncM]

When, and if, Jody returns, he will show us what leadership on the park is all about. Mind you he has been silent all season, so perhaps he is away with his new baby, rather than being a spokesperson for his new club. His absence and injury are rather worrying.

[saintee4life]

How many times has Millar played in front of him this season ?. He has never had a good game this season.correct me if am wrong but millars been in front o him in most if not all the games

[StDuncM]

correct me if am wrong but millars been in front o him in most if not all the games

I think he means Irvine, but his command of grammar has let him down.

[Chuck Norris]

When, and if, Jody returns, he will show us what leadership on the park is all about. Mind you he has been silent all season, so perhaps he is away with his new baby, rather than being a spokesperson for his new club. His absence and ''injury'' are rather worrying.
Why do you doubt the injury? Jody has been at every game - he was there today and voluntarily spoke to some supporters and media types afterwards. Just because he comes with a pedigree doesn't mean he has to act as the dressing room spokesman - and in any case he won't know the press guys that well up here yet so I suspect he isn't being asked to comment in any case.

He's injured, it's costing the club and Jody himself a fortune, and he'll be back as soon as he's fully fit. He returned to training last week.

[StDuncM]

Why do you doubt the injury? Jody has been at every game - he was there today and voluntarily spoke to some supporters and media types afterwards. Just because he comes with a pedigree doesn't mean he has to act as the dressing room spokesman - and in any case he won't know the press guys that well up here yet so I suspect he isn't being asked to comment in any case.

He's injured, it's costing the club and Jody himself a fortune, and he'll be back as soon as he's fully fit. He returned to training last week.

Thanks for that Chuck. I am a Morris fan and the comment about his injury was not intended as a slight and I do think he would make a great captain, club or team.

[saintee4life]

trust me, jodys burstin a gut to get back. he will feature in the next game

[Broon]

The worst thing about Saints at the moment is I don't even know where the problem lies. Nobody is playing well. The defence, the midfield, the strikers - all garbage. Nobody had ANY confidence yesterday. Unfortunately that suggests the manager is struggling to motivate the players. I would be gutted if this was the case, because towards the end of last season I was really starting to get hopeful about Del's management skills. This season he just seems lost - just like the players.

Getting Ruti and James fit will not cure our midfields alergy to tackling I'm afraid.

We played well for 25 minutes yesterday, very well. The damage was already done though.

[wee john]

IMHO the problem is as clear as day.
Too many changes and even worse too many players are being asked to play several different positions.
I have never ever seen so many changes, so many players playing in different positions.
Half the players do not even know what position they will be asked to play, that is unbelievable.
We do not know our best 15, never mind our best 11. We do not know our best forward line, midfield or defence.
I TRUELLY HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

[541ntees]

IMHO the problem is as clear as day.
Too many changes and even worse too many players are being asked to play several different positions.
I have never ever seen so many changes, so many players playing in different positions.
Half the players do not even know what position they will be asked to play, that is unbelievable.
We do not know our best 15, never mind our best 11. We do not know our best forward line, midfield or defence.
I TRUELLY HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

i think del viewed james and rusty as his 1st choice def but injuries left him with no choice but to change things. ditto th mf-hardie millar morris and craig look 1st choice -injuries an suspensions have meant he's had to change things tho it does seem to be settling down.

the forward line is a problem with noone playing well enough to hold down their position.

maybe this is the problem with having a squad where all 20 are expecting to be 1st team. as soon as a player has a bad game the team is changed and not given the time to gel.

Del see's them in training i'd like him to choose 2 strikers and just tell them their starting the next 3games so theirs not as much pressure on them. just now even if picked they must be thinking i've got about 60mins to impress or i'm out the team and it's not doing their confdence any good

[Noose76]

Utter wank, 1 dimensional lump it forward football. I'm happy I was blind drunk on Saurday night which allowed me to forget it.

[dunblanemike]

1 dimensional lump it forward football.
you saw the villa v liverpool game too. :rolleyes:
there was just as much lump it forward stuff in the villa game, perhaps more. However, have you noticed that when saints try to play possession football some of our fans get just as uppity and start yelling about getting the ball forward. there was a spell in the 2nd half when this happened.

[ryangordon86]

However, have you noticed that when saints try to play possession football some of our fans get just as uppity and start yelling about getting the ball forward. there was a spell in the 2nd half when this happened.


I think you must've been sitting near me, I had a few women sitting right behind me who's vocabulary only seemed to extend to the words "get it forward!" It only further enhanced my opinions on women at football! :p

[Shaggy Jenkins]

I think you must've been sitting near me, I had a few women sitting right behind me who's vocabulary only seemed to extend to the words "get it forward!" It only further enhanced my opinions on women at football! :p

There is getting it forward and then there is lumping it up the park. Example we dont get it forward our first touches are back or side to side then lumping it. Arsenal there first touches from a pass is forward and attacking

[Pants n Socks]

Agree with you there Shaggy. I was screaming at McCoy during the second half to 'get it forward' but i didn't mean lump it forward aimlessly. There were times where he had the ball with 10-15 yards in front off him and he'd turn round and pass it sideways or back.

First half we played 'pass it around for a bit, run out of ideas and work it back to the full back where it all started from football'. The ball always ended up back at one of the full backs and they wouldn't have any options open to them with no movement in front of them so they have to 'lump it up the park'.

Interesting to see we starting getting it wide and crossing it in the second half. It's what I've been crowing about all season and it causes havoc for the opposition. Not sure if Del was telling them not to get it wide and cross it 1st half cos we didn't put a single cross in. Then 2nd half with big Sherlock we were looking wide and crossing stuff in. We need to do more of that in my opinion whether Sherlock is playing or not because any decent cross played in high or low from an advanced position always causes the opposition problems.

[andrew]

I call him Johnny, not Sherlock or Homer.
He's the double of my son's pal. he looks more like Johnny than Johnny does!

[The Real Saints]

I don't have much to say about the match except that it's clear that our defence needs to vastly improve if we are to survive in this league. The ease in which MacKay ran through our backline was cringeworthy.
Morgan was unimpressive. I had my doubts when we signed him on loan in the first place, and I hope he doesn't continue to live up to my misgivings. McKoy strolled through the game as if he was having a kickabout in the park.
Both Jackson and Samuel looked toothless up front, although at least Samuel put himself about and tried to take on his man, which worked fairly successfully at times. He was one of our better players.
Sheerin and Holmes turned the game when they came on, until Clyde scored the 3rd which seemed to make our players lose hope. Sheerin is simply a creative genius at this level, and the club obviously means something to him judging by his reaction at the final whistle. Holmes put in a good shift. I thought the free-kick which Clyde scored the winner from was a harsh decision, but I'm not making any excuses. We were again beaten by a team who looked far hungrier than us for the majority of the match. The next fortnight's break must be used to sort things out, and if McInnes fails to spur the team on to a marked improvement immediately, his days will be numbered.

[ShakespeareBar]

When was the last time a pre-season favourite actually won division one, Dundee need to get the midfield sorted out then things will be fine. Saints will be there but Queens are warming up and Livi are the dark horses. There could be a new manager in Tayside soon if things don't buck up.

[Bruno Strasser]

Thivs season is abourt us surviving relaegation and McInnes surviving the sack. Next season glory for me.