#11 - 27/09/08 - Dundee (h)

[MUZZ]

a win and we go equal with them. that would be great considering the bad start to the season.

the coags aren't doing to well themselves now and many fans want rae out. hopefully the confidence is all in our camp and we get the vital 3 points.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Am buzzing for this game already, hopefully dee will bring a good crowd as usuall and get a good atmosphere

[soulfulsaint]

a win and we go equal with them. that would be great considering the bad start to the season.

the coags aren't doing to well themselves now and many fans want rae out. hopefully the confidence is all in our camp and we get the vital 3 points.

Its one we have to go into with 100% concentration. Eliminate stupid mistakes at the back and they are there for the taking. In fact it may end up being a bit of history Muzz. If we win narrowly we are still below them on goal difference. First time Saints will have been below a team, and ended their season in the same match. Rae must stay. Rae must stay.

[MUZZ]

Its one we have to go into with 100% concentration. Eliminate stupid mistakes at the back and they are there for the taking. In fact it may end up being a bit of history Muzz. If we win narrowly we are still below them on goal difference. First time Saints will have been below a team, and ended their season in the same match. Rae must stay. Rae must stay.

indeed lad. rae must stay. i like the fact an alky is in charge of our dearest neebs.

[GMac]

We need all the players having the right attitude from the start, get the crowd right behind them and we can sort them out, big time. Come on the bloooz. Keep the faith comrades.

[Emma]

I want it to be saturday...Come on the Saints!

[THE LARK SAINT]

We have scored 4 goals in our last 2 games, very difficult games on the road.Dundee on the other hand have failed to score in there last 2 games and leeked 3 goals at "dense" park on saturday(happy days)Saints seem to be building up in confidence and if we can cut out the odd little error, keep the determination, and the will to win and get our noses in front im sure we can come out on top and give the great un washed a bit of a doing.......... bring it on lets get out in numbers ........!!!!!cancel any holiday plans............!!!!!!!! take a sicky if you are working........!!!!!!!dont go to air shows.........!!!!!!!!!! dont go any where ....!!!!!! except mcdiarmid.........!!!!!!!!! no excuses...............lets get right behind the saints."COME ON YE SAINTS"..............

[Noose76]

I will be playing 5-a-sides with a group of Dundee fans on Saturday morning in Douglas, definetly something to look forward to. :D

[dee4life]

Wouldna expect that big a crowd as normal for saturday,a lot of fans are not happy with rae,s lack of changing things when they are not working.Might swerve it myself as I have other things on.

[TheBigCheese]

An unprecedented two in a row from me - really looking forward to it. I'd go with Sammy and Holmes up front with Jackson dropped (preferably right out of the squad on Saturday's showing) with the rest of the starting line-up the same (if Ando's fit).

It seems like ages since we won one of these games so the time is surely right to give these scumbags a right good hiding.

'mon the Saints.

[dee4life]

An unprecedented two in a row from me - really looking forward to it. I'd go with Sammy and Holmes up front with Jackson dropped (preferably right out of the squad on Saturday's showing) with the rest of the starting line-up the same (if Ando's fit).

It seems like ages since we won one of these games so the time is surely right to give these scumbags a right good hiding.

'mon the Saints.

Fair enough,but why "scumbags".Is life no to short for all this pish?

[Sainteesean]

thinking of formations (hoping swankie, morris is fit enough for at least the bench?)

-----------Main

Irvine--rustybits--caff--anderson
Miller---hardie--sheerin--craig
-------samuel--homes

subs: mclean, morris, savo, swankie and Morgan


i think samuel and homes would make a good front two, samuel being the nippy wee bastard player and homes playing the holding/big striker role (which is why we signed him i guess).

is james still injured?


3-1 saints :D and a very happy sean on the weekend of his 18th

[TheBigCheese]

Fair enough,but why "scumbags".Is life no to short for all this pish?

No, it's just about the right length for 'this pish'. You're our biggest rivals, I've been brought up to despise everything Dundee FC related and I'll continue to do so thank you very much.

So, 'mon the Saints get stuck right in to the Coagie scumbags!

[dee4life]

No, it's just about the right length for 'this pish'. You're our biggest rivals, I've been brought up to despise everything Dundee FC related and I'll continue to do so thank you very much.

So, 'mon the Saints get stuck right in to the Coagie scumbags!

You should have been brought up better then,how can you hate people you have never met?Quite sad really unless you are still at school.At least there are some decent saint fans who can see beyond this rubbish.I despise everything regarding dundee united(the club)but have loads of arab mates.I would expect to have a beer with a saints fan before our game at dens he knows who he is and is a decent bloke.

[monkfish]

You should have been brought up better then,how can you hate people you have never met?Quite sad really unless you are still at school.At least there are some decent saint fans who can see beyond this rubbish.I despise everything regarding dundee united(the club)but have loads of arab mates.I would expect to have a beer with a saints fan before our game at dens he knows who he is and is a decent bloke.

INNNNNNNNNNNNN YOUR DUNDEE SLUMS. Stop getting so precious just because you've lost a few matches you slimy Dundee halflife. :mrgreen:

[dee4life]

INNNNNNNNNNNNN YOUR DUNDEE SLUMS. Stop getting so precious just because you've lost a few matches you slimy Dundee halflife. :mrgreen:

We have lost 1 less than you,what is your point?Dont mind rivalry at all but some of the pish that gets spouted these days is cringeworthy.What happened to decent banter and a laugh.

[Scobby_SJFC]

We have lost 1 less than you,what is your point?Dont mind rivalry at all but some of the pish that gets spouted these days is cringeworthy.What happened to decent banter and a laugh.

Its slowly fading away

[TheBigCheese]

You should have been brought up better then,how can you hate people you have never met?Quite sad really unless you are still at school.At least there are some decent saint fans who can see beyond this rubbish.I despise everything regarding dundee united(the club)but have loads of arab mates.I would expect to have a beer with a saints fan before our game at dens he knows who he is and is a decent bloke.

You're mighty touchy for a guy that says he loves a bit of banter. I didn't say I hated anyone specific merely everything Dundee FC related. That hatred doesn't extend into any real life hatred of anyone but it does extend as far as Saints v. Dundee games and match threads about those games on a Saints forum. Being a football fan is all about petty rivalry and ill defined stereotypes and nowhere is more appropriate to throw such nonsense about than on the internet, if you're so easily upset then maybe you should get your mummy to read the forum first to save your feelings.

[Radford 72]

An unprecedented two in a row from me - really looking forward to it. I'd go with Sammy and Holmes up front with Jackson dropped (preferably right out of the squad on Saturday's showing) with the rest of the starting line-up the same (if Ando's fit).
I think we need to stick with Jackson. He was played out of position on Saturday but still put in a good shift and I think his overall game is still improving; there was one play where he looked up, dragged the ball back and played a great 60-yard crossfield pass to the left flank. There is a bit of a bandwagon growing because it's perceived that he's playing badly and folk are almost making their minds up before a game starts IMO that he looks slow and not the same player.

In saying all that, I'm not sure he'll start on Saturday! I'm torn about whether Swankie should start as well. The worry (especially if he's on the right) is that Neddie Malone hits him hard early (no doubt getting away with it) and he'll retreat into his shell.

Biggest dilemma for McInnes is regards the formation. There are probably no more than 400 Saints fans that have seen the last couple of performances, so I'm not sure how a 4-4-2 would go down at home, especially since Sammy doesn't seem popular in the East Stand. I'd probably stick with the 4-5-1 though.

If we coukd get an early goal, it would be massive. We saw what happened to Saints at Firhill when we conceded early after the thrashing against the Pars. I expect Dundee to be pretty fired up though and the players will be due Rae a performance, with him under pressure. I'd take four points from the next couple of home games.

[roger moore is a saintee]

We have lost 1 less than you,what is your point?Dont mind rivalry at all but some of the pish that gets spouted these days is cringeworthy.What happened to decent banter and a laugh.

is this same sensitive scum that werw singing songs about united chairman dying, who would die first et or paul sturrock,spitting on thr ross county goalie. is that just banter and a laugh

[dee4life]

You're mighty touchy for a guy that says he loves a bit of banter. I didn't say I hated anyone specific merely everything Dundee FC related. That hatred doesn't extend into any real life hatred of anyone but it does extend as far as Saints v. Dundee games and match threads about those games on a Saints forum. Being a football fan is all about petty rivalry and ill defined stereotypes and nowhere is more appropriate to throw such nonsense about than on the internet, if you're so easily upset then maybe you should get your mummy to read the forum first to save your feelings.

Banter to me is light hearted wind ups and things you would say face to face as well as on these forums,being a football fan imo is not about calling peolple scumbags on the internet.Good to see you admit you were spouting nonsense tho and you didna upset me.

[dee4life]

is this same sensitive scum that werw singing songs about united chairman dying, who would die first et or paul sturrock,spitting on thr ross county goalie. is that just banter and a laugh

Was that our whole support?are your own fans so well behaved all the time?

[roger moore is a saintee]

Was that our whole support?are your own fans so well behaved all the time?

i do not recall any saints fans spitting on a goalie just because he was ex dundee

[Scobby_SJFC]

Cant we just discuss the game not idiotiic fans??

[Barca-Saintee]

been a while since we beat them so it would be good to win even if it is just a 1-0.

[Rodgers]

2-1 saints

he will keep the same team as the past 2 games

[dee4life]

As for the game not to confident after saturdays performance,loads of possesion and no cutting edge.Would take a point if honest.

[Saintkev]

spitting on thr ross county goalie.

No way, Tony Bollocks is a legend, another reason to hate the Coags... like I needed that!!

Andy Jackson has suffered greatly from 'beefing up'... he was a wee sleekit guy that nobody could keep up with, why did he need to get all beefy!?!?!

[blueheaven]

A long-awaited first Saints game of the season for me, so really looking forward to seeing the recent signings (and Andy Jackson's new 'Beefcake' alter ego) for the first time.

Get stuck into The Smelly Ones, Saints!

[Noose76]

Calling Tony Bollocks a stupid bald **** is one thing, but spitting on him is a totally different kettle of fish. Sadly, Dundee has some fannies in their ranks, but I generally find them a good laugh and enjoy Dundee away as much as Dingwall and Queens. I ended up in a dodgey gay bar with a load of them last season, funny as **** so it was.:D

[ancientsaint]

I ended up in a dodgey gay bar with a load of them last season, funny as **** so it was.:D



Wot a Bummer :eek:

[thewhorule2002]

Very long awaited first game of the season for me - hopefully a win will really set us up for the season - who wouldnt have taken being even on points with the coags after our awful start.

I hope Swankie is back - would be good to see him do a turn against dundee.

[Noose76]

Wot a Bummer :eek:

The only worrying bit was I woke up the next morning in my gaff with nothing but my socks on! A quick clench of my ring, to check I hadn't been violated, provided piece of mind that I'd made my way home by myself.

[O'Rourke]

The only worrying bit was I woke up the next morning in my gaff with nothing but my socks on! A quick clench of my ring, to check I hadn't been violated, provided piece of mind that I'd made my way home by myself.

Nigel sends his regards.

[Aitchy]

Calling Tony Bollocks a stupid bald **** is one thing, but spitting on him is a totally different kettle of fish. Sadly, Dundee has some fannies in their ranks, but I generally find them a good laugh and enjoy Dundee away as much as Dingwall and Queens. I ended up in a dodgey gay bar with a load of them last season, funny as **** so it was.:D

Sounds right up your street Noose, have you sobered up from Saturday yet? In fact are you ever sober?

[keveyboysaint]

You should have been brought up better then,how can you hate people you have never met?Quite sad really unless you are still at school.At least there are some decent saint fans who can see beyond this rubbish.I despise everything regarding dundee united(the club)but have loads of arab mates.I would expect to have a beer with a saints fan before our game at dens he knows who he is and is a decent bloke.

i know what you mean,a bit of banter is one thing, have a coupple of mates from Dundee / perth who are arabs and dundee fans.

[Aitchy]

I know it is still early in the season but this game is massive for us on Saturday, win and we are on equal points with them, lose and we go 6 points behind, not a good situation to be in! If you were McInnes would you stick with the 4-5-1 formation that has been successful in the past 2 games, or do you revert to a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3? I would go for the 4-4-2 with my line up being:-

Main

Irvine Ruti Caff Ando

Millar Hardie Sheerin Craig

Sammy Holmes

I think with that midfield we can dominate the game. My only worry as always is in defence where the 2 central defenders will have to turn in a good performance as Curier and McMenamin will be a danger, although reports suggest they have not been that great recently. If we can win that would be 7 point from 9, which would be an excellent return from the past 3 games.

[sign dave]

for the game - a 4-42 or 4-5-1 is probably ideal, we are bad in deffence so why not just go for a 3-5-2?

[sign dave]

took out my bit about biggotry, thought it wasnt right, cos the responce from other fans are arguin and fighting, but if everyone could sing against eash other with banter just purely for an atmosphere then whats the problem?

I was speaking to a police officer whos been at a few games and said if he was working the day loads of livi supporters were kicked out he would have been ashamed of himself as a policeman!

[MUZZ]

i hope dundee bring the usual big support. the more fans in the ground the better.

as for the game, i think it will be pretty grim stuff. 2 teams too scared to lose.

[MUZZ]

Fair enough,but why "scumbags".Is life no to short for all this pish?

life is too short indeed. a few of my mates are followers of dundee fc and they are sound. the rivalry lasts for 90 mins on saturday, nothing more. i used to get wound up by these games and although it is still our main derby (for us), things are more mellowed from me now and any hatred i have in football is channelled into those glory hunting old firm 'fans'.

[Brian Potter]

Cannot wait for this one!

Our confidence is growing ever so slightly, Dundee doesn't seem to be a happy club at the moment, need to exploit this!

I agree with starting Jacko, he has to score sometime!

This is the most confident I have been about a game this season!

[soulfulsaint]

Wouldna expect that big a crowd as normal for saturday,a lot of fans are not happy with rae,s lack of changing things when they are not working.Might swerve it myself as I have other things on.

Cmom Dee4Life relax we all come on websites to make fools of ourselves. Assume you are changing yourlog in name to DeeGotOtherThingsOn.

[Sainteesean]

im so exited for this game, birthday weekend so ill eb smashed! :D

tbh, its been my birthday for 9 mins now ! 18th :D:D:D:D

[541ntees]

Wouldna expect that big a crowd as normal for saturday,a lot of fans are not happy with rae,s lack of changing things when they are not working.Might swerve it myself as I have other things on.

get to the game man other things are not as important!!

I'm sticking with 451

Main
Irvine Rusty Caff Ando
Swankie Millar MMM Sheerin Craig
Samuel

subs-McLean Morgan McCoy Homer Jacko

i presume Peaso and Savo are back in contention this week. Anyone know how Ando is getting on after his knock? we can't afford tohave him missing esp now we know Morgan is not a defender!

Got a good feeling about this one - Mon the SAINTS!

[Noose76]

Sounds right up your street Noose, have you sobered up from Saturday yet? In fact are you ever sober?


Yes. No. :wink:

[dee4life]

i hope dundee bring the usual big support. the more fans in the ground the better.

as for the game, i think it will be pretty grim stuff. 2 teams too scared to lose.

I think you could be right muzz.

[Noose76]

We always start out nervously against Dundee, and I can't remember the last time we scored more then 1, so a 1-1 draw is my guess.

[ShakespeareBar]

Dundee need to get back on track, Saints are there for the taking. McMenamin, Curier, Deasley. 3-0.

[ryangordon86]

i think it'll be a tight game but its one we cant afford to lose and for that reason im going for a 2-2 draw

[Dennistoun Saint]

This could be the one to turn things around for us. I'm going for 2-0 Saints, 1 before half-time, a nervous second half and then a late one to seal it.:) Haven't looked forward to a Saints game this much in a while.

[TheBigCheese]

I think we need to stick with Jackson. He was played out of position on Saturday but still put in a good shift and I think his overall game is still improving; there was one play where he looked up, dragged the ball back and played a great 60-yard crossfield pass to the left flank. There is a bit of a bandwagon growing because it's perceived that he's playing badly and folk are almost making their minds up before a game starts IMO that he looks slow and not the same player.


As I said before, Saturday was my first game of the season so I didn't really have any prior expectations for Jacko to be slow and a bit crap (other than what I read on here but I always take that with a north sea's worth of salt) but he was. The position he played on Saturday was fairly similar to the one he was playing in a front three last year but he was nowhere near as effective. He didn't really bring anything to the game on Saturday apart from one cracking cross-field pass and never even looked like getting on the score sheet. Contrast his input into the game on Saturday with Holmes who made the first, scored the second and caused a lot more trouble for the Queens defence in the half-hour or so he was on the park than Ando did in twice that time. Bringing Holmes on also freed up Samuel allowing him to get wide far more than he did with Jacko on the park.

[Dennistoun Saint]

Don't think Jackson is worthy of a start at the moment. I'm hopeful he'll rediscover something like the form of last season but at the moment we can't afford to carry people and unfortunately that means Jacko has to sit it out.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Holmes should really be one of the first on the team sheet if we are playing 2 up front

[monkfish]

Holmes should really be one of the first on the team sheet if we are playing 2 up front

He always seems to do better when he comes on as a sub. I think I've seen him start twice and he hasn't been as good. Don't know why that is, it's not as if he's coming off the bench to skin everyone with his pace :p

[R.B.B:- Adz]

Colin Cameron ruled out of the dundee squad for saturday, good or bad?

[templeofsaints]

Iain Brines to referee game - I'm getting a bad feeling about this :(

[Scobby_SJFC]

life is too short indeed. a few of my mates are followers of dundee fc and they are sound. the rivalry lasts for 90 mins on saturday, nothing more. i used to get wound up by these games and although it is still our main derby (for us), things are more mellowed from me now and any hatred i have in football is channelled into those glory hunting old firm 'fans'.

Totally right, I love these games as they are by far the best games of the season, with the atmopshere and the crowds, you just dont get against anyone else
As for the rivalry like every other team it should be about good banter and 90mintues on the park not crap like calling eac other scum, because at the end of the day they are the same as us except they support a different team!!

[Emma]

im so exited for this game, birthday weekend so ill eb smashed! :D

tbh, its been my birthday for 9 mins now ! 18th :D:D:D:D


Happy Birthday! Hopefully we'll win, I'm dragging an irish friend along and could do with a good match to make it exciting for her

[O'Rourke]

Iain Brines to referee game - I'm getting a bad feeling about this :(

If you're reading this Iain, we think you're great.

[SlickDT]

I've got a group of lads coming through this saturday for a day/night in Perth. An additional six to the two of us that usually go to the Saints games!!!

I've promised them a derby that dwarfs the old firm/ milan/ manchester derby!! :o

Lets get a good crowd to this one. Get whoever you can down

As for the game I think we'll get three points from this one. We've had two pretty good results lately and I think Dundee are struggling a little at the moment with Rae saying he's in the dark about current situation at the club.

[101 Saint]

Evening Telegraph's Saints Injury Update (http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2008/09/24/story12007975t0.shtm)

Evening Telegraph's Dundee Injury Update (http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2008/09/24/story12007974t0.shtm)

[TheBigCheese]

Evening Telegraph's Saints Injury Update (http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2008/09/24/story12007975t0.shtm)

Evening Telegraph's Dundee Injury Update (http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2008/09/24/story12007974t0.shtm)

I would suggest that Dundee cut their losses and let him go in January. Even if he does make it back to some sort of fitness by then I would seriously doubt how effective he'll be with no real games since pre-season. It's a shame he's out as I think he's still got the potential to be a cracking player at this level - just can't see it happening this season.

[101 Saint]

Really worried about this game, My boss is a filthy Coagie and I genuinely can't see any gloy on Monday morning. The game will be won by the team which best uses the flanks IMHO.

Missed the last two games due to work but was delighted to hear that Irvine wasn't honking on Saturday, he'll be crucial for us. Swankie is the big factor for me. If he's fit and brave, we'll win this one. If he hides or misses out I think we're in trouble.

We know we can't defend, so we must attack and in every derby I've seen recently, centre midfield has been a big scrap. As such, we need MMM central and fit for 90 minutes of slog. Holmes must start because it's a battle, Jacko or Peaso alongside because they're our natural finishers. The Jackson's keich brigade can fly a kite. He's had an awful close season and by his own admission over-bulked. Get off his back, he's a kid who scored for fun last year and who fights for the jersey. He hasn't suddenly become a pile of Rae!

If Swanks is fit:

Main
Irvine-Ruti-Caff-Craig
Sammy-Hardie-Millar-Swankie
Holmes-Jackson
Subs:McLean, Peanut, Moon, Peaso, Savo

If no Swanks:
Main
Irvine-Ruti-Caff-Craig
Millar-Hardie-Moon-Sammy
Holmes-Jackson
Subs:McLean, Peanut, McKoy, Peaso, Savo

Sammy has proved he can take the blows but he needs to produce for 90 minutes. No start for Sheerin because he cannae tackle and wants time on the ball which Dee won't give him. Mooner is huge gamble due to lack of games, but if Swankie isn't available we'll need Midge out wide.

Del, please don't make a double sub at half-time, red cards and injuries must be considered a liklihood and we've been stung by luxury subs against them before.

C'mon Saints!!!

[THE LARK SAINT]

Iain Brines to referee game - I'm getting a bad feeling about this :(

Brines booked an astonishing 12 players and sent off 2 in tonights motherwell hamilton tie(hamilton won 2-1) and mensing was the hamilton player who walked!!

[St Mikey]

I want Swanks fit! and score against the coags and kiss the badge on the shirt!! ***
That would end up causing a riot :o

CMON SAINTS WIN BY 2 GOALS AND WE GO ABOVE THEM IN THE LEAGUE!!

COME ON YE SAINTS!
COME ON YE SAINTS!
COME ON YE SAINTS!

[sign dave]

we need some kind of advertisement for games, whos seen the fixture board at bells sports centre for perth rugby team? we need that outside mcdiarmid so when people drive past they are aware of the games coming up.

[TheBigCheese]

we need some kind of advertisement for games, whos seen the fixture board at bells sports centre for perth rugby team? we need that outside mcdiarmid so when people drive past they are aware of the games coming up.

Saints used to put posters up in shops etc. advertising the next game - does this not happen anymore? They should bring back the plane pulling a banner that they used towards the end of 97/98.

[Paul N Shark]

we need some kind of advertisement for games, whos seen the fixture board at bells sports centre for perth rugby team? we need that outside mcdiarmid so when people drive past they are aware of the games coming up.

First class idea , so simple , why haven't Saints been advertising their home games on a big board outside McD for the last 19 years ?

[sign dave]

its been a while since ive seen somthing, i usually see a fixture list in my girls school, but apart from that nothing thats caught my eye and not everyone buys a pa.

[Dundeederryboy]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

[sign dave]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:


pitty them goals will all be own goals and ends up 3-0 to the saints!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

WARNING Coagie fantasist alert.......

WARNING Coagie fantasist alert..................

WARNING Coagie fantasist alert:laugh:

[GMac]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

Dream on !!!!!:D

[slf]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:


another comedian

[Perth-Saint]

Despite the last couple of positive away results I am very, very nervous about saturdays game. I am fear we may get a doing if we don't start quickly. However I will have my fingers crossed and hope to god that I am wrong!

MON SAINTS

[slf]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:





well i dinnae mind youse making a bit of noise and helping create a good atmosphere.just hope you dont bring the lowlife nobbers with you that beat up 50 year old men and fight families in a boozer.

[sign dave]

well i dinnae mind youse making a bit of noise and helping create a good atmosphere.just hope you dont bring the lowlife nobbers with you that beat up 50 year old men and fight families in a boozer.


i'll back that comment up, that was a disgrace that day, with dundee being so low after high expectations i doubt they'll bring that mob back again, all season ticket holders remember you can drink in the muirton suite (although its pricey).

[sconesjfc]

Cant wait, seems like ages since our last home game. Hopefully put the last couple of home games past us and roll over Dundee. Wouldnt mind if DMc went with 4-5-1 as we looked no bad last week. One thing i would change is start Holmes up front and stick Sammy on the wing. If Swankie is fit wouldnt start him (where ive seen him) he will sap out of challenges, bring him on in the last 20 to kill them off as he does have that extra bit of skill.

To summarise 4-5-1 is the way forward with the likes of Millar and Hardie there to support the striker. GET STUCK IN ABOUT THESE TINKY C#NTS :mrgreen:

[THE LARK SAINT]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

"There's a circus in the town"" in the town"archie knox has got the fu*** pox , and COCO is a clown. ... and derek rae's a f**** alk*&*

[Saintkev]

First class idea , so simple , why haven't Saints been advertising their home games on a big board outside McD for the last 19 years ?


I asked Stewart Duff this years ago, and got something about Planning permission... seems bizzare.

[Sainteesean]

cant F**king wait

KNOCK KNOCK!?

[541ntees]

its been a while since ive seen somthing, i usually see a fixture list in my girls school, but apart from that nothing thats caught my eye and not everyone buys a pa.

u go to a girl's school?

[saint sid]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

gimme an ounce o what your smoking coag! oh and a packet o skins!:roll:

[slf]

gimme an ounce o what your smoking coag! oh and a packet o skins!:roll:


you dont wanna do that mate i think hes a glue sniffer

[541ntees]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

i have a really bad feeling that with our defence not at it's best and dundee will score 2, we will then go on to score 7 with Jenko scoring a peach-oh happy days:)

[slf]

i will be happy just to beat them.i still remember the 4-3 game .it means so much to beat them and billy piries a p@@f .

[saint sid]

why do the pigeons in dundee fly upside down? because there`s nothing worth shitting on!:laugh: 4-0 to the saintees!

[saint sid]

you dont wanna do that mate i think hes a glue sniffer

probably ha ha! glue has got to smell better than dundee! so that makes sense!

[wee john]

i will be happy just to beat them.i still remember the 4-3 game .it means so much to beat them and billy piries a p@@f .

nan na na
nanna nanana oooh

[Lost Son of Fairbairn]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

and in the same drug fueled fantasy you'll even have a wash !

[lossiesaint]

Only got 2 words...... and they are seven and two!

[Scott Mc]

The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday and saints will feel the wrath :mad:

Yep they'll be howling, licking their own balls and gnashing their teeth in frustration as they are torn apart by their local and smaller nemesis :twisted:

A resounding 3-0 win for the dee, with Curier and Mcmenamin finding their shooting boots with the MAC getting 2 either side of a COCO wonder strike.:cool:

The only thing 'mac' will be getting on either side of 'coco' this Saturday are his jaws.

4-1 Saints and it'll be Goodbye Mr Rae hello financial crisis! (AGAIN)

[Calypso Kid]

Only got 2 words...... and they are seven and two!

That is 3 my friend.

[sign dave]

I asked Stewart Duff this years ago, and got something about Planning permission... seems bizzare.


why not just a wee wooden board put on the fence where the supporters put up the banner on the day we lost the league at hamilton? i doubt we would need much permision for that!?

[Calypso Kid]

Advertise Saints games directly outside NDP? Thats a novel concept and one that the BOD cannot fail to embrace.

[williamwonka]

why not just a wee wooden board put on the fence where the supporters put up the banner on the day we lost the league at hamilton? i doubt we would need much permision for that!?

had we got that Perth TV channel and radio station years ago i think the support would have increased. Guess money is the issue. Maybe saints could could get a web commentary on all the games!:)

[Macarius]

Y'know I prefer dundee, I hang out in dundee more, I have more friends in Dundee, if i'm going shopping i'll go to Dundee, if i'm going for a meal, its usually Dundee but I was born in perth and i'm a saintee till I die.

1-0 nil to the saints. Nay pussing about, just a hardshot victory. Someone unexpected for the goal. Probably Steven Anderson. Nah, **** **** it, alan main to get the header in the 95th minute while alex rae had a bleeding nose.

[Dennistoun Saint]

i'm going for a meal, its usually Dundee

Raking in dustbins?! I'm surprised you've lived this long my friend.

[sign dave]

Advertise Saints games directly outside NDP? Thats a novel concept and one that the BOD cannot fail to embrace.



no,,, the day we played at hamilton, then supporters put a banner on gates at mcdiarmid!

please tell me you were taking the pish?

[dee4life]

A lot of wee daft boys on here(I hope for there own sake)its like being back in primary school,"smelly dundee","glue sniffing","bin raking" feck sake lads you maybe want to grow up and focus on the fitba.Dear oh dear.:confused:

[sign dave]

yeah, well said, i hope saints fans just concentrate on the footy and stop with all the politics, dundee has enough police to tackle all these smelly coagies that leave needles lying around and import glue from whereever :)

[monkfish]

yeah, well said, i hope saints fans just concentrate on the footy and stop with all the politics, dundee has enough police to tackle all these smelly coagies that leave needles lying around and import glue from whereever :)

Well said that man, Dee4life I hope your Giro clears soon as your cold turkey's making you a right mardy cow.

[Scott Mc]

A lot of wee daft boys on here(I hope for there own sake)its like being back in primary school,"smelly dundee","glue sniffing","bin raking" feck sake lads you maybe want to grow up and focus on the fitba.Dear oh dear.:confused:

S****** S******!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

A lot of wee daft boys on here(I hope for there own sake)its like being back in primary school,"smelly dundee","glue sniffing","bin raking" feck sake lads you maybe want to grow up and focus on the fitba.Dear oh dear.:confused:

Lets talk football then.....Saints on the up, Dundee in turmoil. Sections of the Dees fans calling for Alex Rae's head and even more questioning A.R.'s tactical ability.So to sum up, your team are shite and my team are gonna pump then on Saturday. I hope that's more to your liking........

















































ya coagie soap dodging , workshy, smelly junkie excuse for a human being.Away and pump yer sister....


Damn I did it again:oops:

[Dundeederryboy]

Dust off your anoraks!
Comb your mullets!
7-2 boxers at the ready? challenge cup final t-shirts hand washed?

For the coags are coming for you

WE WON THE LEAGUE IN PERTH! SAINTS WENT DOWN! SAINTS WENT DOWN!

WE OWN YOU!

[slf]

Dust off your anoraks!
Comb your mullets!
7-2 boxers at the ready? challenge cup final t-shirts hand washed?

For the coags are coming for you

WE WON THE LEAGUE IN PERTH! SAINTS WENT DOWN! SAINTS WENT DOWN!

WE OWN YOU!


see i said he was a comedian

mind yer sambas and comb yer tasche

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Dust off your anoraks!
Comb your mullets!
7-2 boxers at the ready? challenge cup final t-shirts hand washed?

For the coags are coming for you

WE WON THE LEAGUE IN PERTH! SAINTS WENT DOWN! SAINTS WENT DOWN!

WE OWN YOU!

If you did, you're so skint you'd have to sell us anyway.

7 -2 says we still own your sorry arses..Get ready to be very , very unhappy.:laugh:

[saint sid]

Dust off your anoraks!
Comb your mullets!
7-2 boxers at the ready? challenge cup final t-shirts hand washed?

For the coags are coming for you

WE WON THE LEAGUE IN PERTH! SAINTS WENT DOWN! SAINTS WENT DOWN!

WE OWN YOU!

stay off the glue coag! you dont own nuthin! if u continue the way yez are going dens will be the arabs car park!

[blueheaven]

WE OWN YOU!

Decades of mismanagement would suggest Dundee FC are barely capable of owning themselves.


And they smell.

[dee4life]

Lets talk football then.....Saints on the up, Dundee in turmoil. Sections of the Dees fans calling for Alex Rae's head and even more questioning A.R.'s tactical ability.So to sum up, your team are shite and my team are gonna pump then on Saturday. I hope that's more to your liking........
















































ya coagie soap dodging , workshy, smelly junkie excuse for a human being.Away and pump yer sister....


Damn I did it again:oops:


You an arse,a wee question why does your name include a well known dundee fan from ardler?

[scotty gordon]

Enough

[dee4life]

No Threats Please

[O'Rourke]

Come on guys get a grip.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

You an arse,a wee question why does your name include a well known dundee fan from ardler?

Is that a question???? If so you missed the question mark.The answer is only sometimes...

As for super Jim. Well a while back I did suddenly find out the he was indeed a Dundonian and you have kinda missed the boat on taking the piss as some of your fellow Scumdee members of W.A.P. have already had a good giggle about it.

Jim now lives in Humberside and I recieved an e-mail from him a few weeks ago in which he confirmed that he was standing up because he hates Dundee F.C.

Saintees legend and I forgive him for being Dundonian as it wasn't his fault Morton was a Saintee, still hates the fecking Dundee.

I hope that answers all your questions. Now kindly feck off and attend to your sisters needs.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

What do you expect man. It's a Saints forum for Christ sake and if you cannae take a bit of winding up you should stop using it.As for making threats , it's the fasted way to get yourself barred.
Now I don't want that to happen as I enjoy the banter, so rather than making threats, try taking the piss, it,s a lot more fun.

Lighten up :laugh:

[THE LARK SAINT]

Hopefully sundays headlines after we gubb the coags will be "Dundee in dissa....rae"!!!!

[O'Rourke]

Hopefully sundays headlines after we gubb the coags will be "Dundee in dissa....rae"!!!!

Dee dun well and proper.

[Super Sammy Johnston]

Morning all,

Everyone ready for the coags?

Sambas, shellsuits and moustaches gallore!!!

Come on Saints lets do the business.

[Broggy Man]

Just a wee warning people. The banter is fine but keep the personal remarks and threats out please.

[O'Rourke]

Bad feeling about today with our inability to keep a clean sheet, so I'm going for a 3:2 Saints' victory over our dearest rivals. :cool:

I see a red card or two and Alex Rae getting into a wee spot of bother.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

It,s Derby day. Yeeha...Come on you Saints. lets all get right behind the team today and cheer them on to a much needed victory against the great unwashed.:)

[101 Saint]

Can't help but feel that one of the managers will be jobless if their team lose today. Rae is under the cosh in a big way, whilst if we lose, McDiarmid will be more of a bouncy castle than a fortress! Hopefully, both sets of players will be fully committed. 90 minutes of the same swashbuckling adventure that we managed in the second half of the Jody debut game would have do nicely. Let battle commence

[Kevin]

If I play "the Addams Family" theme just before kick off will the East Stand sing?

[101 Saint]

If I play "the Addams Family" theme just before kick off will the East Stand sing?

Go for it, Auld Ane! This is the tightest Derby in recent years. No reason to believe any team has the advantage. We need the crowd to be right behind the team all the way. I even promise to make no negative remarks about Derek McInnes until 1645!

Kevin you have a pivotal role. Give it laldy, sunshine. Shout the names of the Saints XI, leaving plenty of time for applause. You need to emulate the announcer at Firhill. What chance, Jody and James doing a lap (or limp) prior to kick-off? We need our fans to be totally fired up!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I will.How do the words go again.

Is it . Yer sister is yer mother,your father is yer brother,the Dundee family.???

[Kevin]

I will.How do the words go again.

Is it . Yer sister is yer mother,your father is yer brother,the Dundee family.???

Something along those lines Ghost :)

[StDuncM]

Sadly unable to make it for this one, but we will be rooting for our boys, and shouting at Jeff Stelling on Sky TV to bring it on, from the comfort of our local watering hole!!!

C'mon the Saints!

[Kevin]

Go for it, Auld Ane! This is the tightest Derby in recent years. No reason to believe any team has the advantage. We need the crowd to be right behind the team all the way. I even promise to make no negative remarks about Derek McInnes until 1645!

Kevin you have a pivotal role. Give it laldy, sunshine. Shout the names of the Saints XI, leaving plenty of time for applause. You need to emulate the announcer at Firhill. What chance, Jody and James doing a lap (or limp) prior to kick-off? We need our fans to be totally fired up!

I usually do leave gaps after the names and the silence is deafening!

[monkfish]

I will.How do the words go again.

Is it . Yer sister is yer mother,your father is yer brother,the Dundee family.???

I think it finishes on 'your sister is your lover'....

[Ronaldo]

If I play "the Addams Family" theme just before kick off will the East Stand sing?
I think Gomez, Morticia, Lurch, Pugsley, Wednesday, Grandma Addams, Uncle Fester and Thing would be totally offended by being compared to Dundee fans since the Addams Family were and are still cult heroes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL_9zdu4iVw&feature=related#

Mind you it's still funny. :) We could snap our fimgers in unison but then the joke might tben be on us. :)

HAVE A GO SAINTS!.

[101 Saint]

I usually do leave gaps after the names and the silence is deafening!

Always felt sorry for Gaz last year because Main and Stanic always got a big cheer and it was like the start of a funeral when you said, "Number two, Gary Irvine"....

[TheBigCheese]

I think it finishes on 'your sister is your lover'....


It's "Your sister is your mother, your father is your brother, your granny is your lover, the Dundee Family"

Not sure at all about today, I have a horrible feeling it'll be a 0-0 borefest but I live in hope.

[THE LARK SAINT]

There dirty and there smelly, and they havnae got a telly....................... im off oot tae get tuned up!!!!BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!! COME ON YE SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! OH YES 1-0!!!!! ......................YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES 2-0!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO3-0!!!!!!! H.T !!!!!!!!! BUGGER GOAL FOR THEM !ACH WELL!!! ............ YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAAA A 4-1 FINAL SCORE !!!!!!! PUB!!!! BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTERRRRRRRRRRE DDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON SAINTS MAKE IT HAPPEN. HATE THE F**** DUNDEE NA NA NA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

There dirty and there smelly, and they havnae got a telly....................... im off oot tae get tuned up!!!!BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!! COME ON YE SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! OH YES 1-0!!!!! ......................YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES 2-0!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO3-0!!!!!!! H.T !!!!!!!!! BUGGER GOAL FOR THEM !ACH WELL!!! ............ YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAAA A 4-1 FINAL SCORE !!!!!!! PUB!!!! BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTERRRRRRRRRRE DDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON SAINTS MAKE IT HAPPEN. HATE THE F**** DUNDEE NA NA NA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks to me like your well oiled and tuned up already Larky boy...

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Despite what Swankie may have been saying in the press in the run up to the game, I think Rae's comments regarding his departure will add an extra fire in his belly for the game. If he is passed fit I think he WILL try extra hard to prove a point to Rae and run the scumdee defence ragged. Even fancy him for first goal.

A win today could really see a kick start to the season for us (about bloody time) so I'm gonna stick my neck out and go for a 3-0 saints win and I also think there may be a red card flashed at on of their players. Hopefully for a petulant slap ala Chic Charnley stylee.

[StDuncM]

For those far away and not in a pub watching sky sports there will no doubt be some biased commentary on the game here www.thedees.co.uk/live.asp (http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/live.asp)

[O'Rourke]

Team for this afternoon:

Main, Irvine, Craig, Millar, Rutkiewicz, McCaffrey, Swankie, Hardie, Samuel, Milne, Sheerin.
Subs: Holmes, Jackson, Morgan, Moon, McLean

Go Gavin Swankie, make yourself a legend!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Time to go up to the Park.Come on Saints ,come on Saints fans.Lets do it..


OH WHEN THE SAINTS

Go Marching in,

OH WHEN THE SAINTS,

Go marching in.

OH WHEN THE SAINTS GO MARCHING IN
I WANNA BE IN THAT NUMBER.

OH WHEN THE SAINTS GO MARCHING IN.


COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scotty gordon]

Come On You Saints

[SingaporeSaint]

'mon Saints. Singapore Fan Club with you in heart and soul.

[StDuncM]

Team for this afternoon:

Main, Irvine, Craig, Millar, Rutkiewicz, McCaffrey, Swankie, Hardie, Samuel, Milne, Sheerin.
Subs: Holmes, Jackson, Morgan, Moon, McLean

Go Gavin Swankie, make yourself a legend!

Hopefully not of the red card variety!!!

[jinky]

Anyone watching this on skysports centre?
According to it, Gavin Swankie has no first name, known only as Swankie

Mon Swankie

[Tarvie]

Good morning to the Saintees around the world, this is Calgary calling and boy its derby day :)

[alimotion]

Samuel and Miller booked for dissent just before half time...after ref disallowed a saints goal for apparent pushing in the box.

[injured saint]

0-0 ht

[O'Rourke]

Goal of the Season Paul Sheerin!

[alimotion]

1-0 Sheerinihoooooo!!!!!

[O'Rourke]

Need a second at least because we can't keep a clean sheet!

[injured saint]

yyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeessssssss

[O'Rourke]

3 Bookings, 2 penalty claims, a disallowed goal and one nil up!

It matters!

[O'Rourke]

Have to keep the heid as we have a nasty rash of yellow cards against none for our dear neighbours.

[SingaporeSaint]

Results elsewhere going reasonably well though would like to see Partick get a goal at Livi for a draw.

[O'Rourke]

5 nil yellows! :shock:

[Moray Blue]

Happy with the yellows if it means that the players are fighting for the win

[O'Rourke]

Mooner and Homer on for Swanks and Sammy (both on yellow cards).

[O'Rourke]

Hardie off for Morgan

[Moray Blue]

bit of pressure according to the text on Dundees website - holding out though :)

[O'Rourke]

Savo 2 nil!!!

[Moray Blue]

2-0 Milne

[injured saint]

2-0 milne

[scotty gordon]

we are back come on WE WANT 3 oh and a clean sheet

[alimotion]

The live league table on sky looks a lot better now - saints above dundee on goal difference!!!

[O'Rourke]

Rae must stay, Rae must stay na na!!

[Saint.Justin]

Just heard a roar outside haha!
*** The Dee:D

[St. Paddy]

an ode to alex rae....


"cheerio, cheerio, cheerio!
Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio-oh!
Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio
Cheerio!

CHEERIO!

[O'Rourke]

Impressive stuff against 12 men!

A clean sheet!

Well done Saints and very well done Derek McInnes. :cool:

[injured saint]

2-0 ft

[Moray Blue]

great result - well done!

[scotty gordon]

full time 2-0 superb well done boys

[Phil]

nice one saints. pity I wasn't there.

[Tarvie]

Good start to the day over here, lets keep it up Saintees

[St. Paddy]

The season starts here.
7 points from a very tricky 9, championship form!

[O'Rourke]

The season starts here.
7 points from a very tricky 9, championship form!

Very good point Paddy, I didn't think that was possible a few weeks back but they've done very well.

[Watty]

Dundee had a pish poor support with them anyway, 900 odd, but i took a photo on my phone a minute or so after Savo's goal and the away stand must've had bout 100 folk in it.....superb.

Goal of the season stuff from Paul Sheerin and a sublime finish from Savo after a great bit of set up play from big Homer.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

..RAE MUST STAY ....

Great result and not a bad game. First half was about even with a few decent chances but not much else. Ref Brines loves to blow his whistle though. To many fouls given for both sides for nothing.
We also had a goal by MMM chalked off for an infringement ( Push I believe) which was never a foul.
Second half was much better with Saints pressing a bit more and looking in charge. The programme ediotor must have seen in to the future. Paul Sheerin lit up the front cover and lit up the match with a beautiful curled shot in to the top corner. Chris miller who was my man of the match was every where. Then the icing on the cake was a cracking finish by Savo Milne.
We had at least one decent shout for a penalty as well but the ref was giving us nothing today.
Shit crowd of only 4300 which was not surprising I suppose because Dundee truely are pish.After Savo's strike the away end emptied very quickly.Great result great day 3 points thank you very much

Well done Saints and well done Del...

[Havana Club Saintee]

Excellent second half performance. What a super strike by Sheerin, I hope that someone may have recorded that one. Get in.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[sleepless]

This could be the one to turn things around for us. I'm going for 2-0 Saints, 1 before half-time, a nervous second half and then a late one to seal it. Haven't looked forward to a Saints game this much in a while.

Well, that was a rubbish prediction. One up before half time? What were you thinking of??

:-):-)

[O'Rourke]

Well, that was a rubbish prediction. One up before half time? What were you thinking of??

:-):-)

good effort mate :)

[Super Sammy Johnston]

Great result today and a solid performance.

The big difference today for me was the players looked hungry and fought hard for the result.

Sometimes it was not pretty but the desire was back.

Paul Sheerin put in a man of the match performance and capped it of with what surely will be a candidate for goal of the season.

Defence much steadier with Rusty leading the line, all in all good hardworking result.

Well done Saints and well done Dell!!

[Paul N Shark]

Sheerin,s goal was an absolute peach, Savo took his well too, but on the whole i thought both teams were very mediocre and will have to improve vastly if they have any chance of winning the hardest Ist Div for a very long time.

[101 Saint]

Hats off to the lads. Brilliant stuff. First half was subdued, poor crowd and curious tactics. Swapped things around at half time, Sheerin grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and controlled the entire second half.

I expressed my hope that he will be a bit part player this year (and stick to the view that he's not fit enough for 90 minutes every week) but boy was he special today. Imagine being able to say that (when Moon and Sheerin were in centre mid), we didn't miss Jody!!!!!

Next week is a must win game, the lads are dragging themselves into contention, a slip against Buckfast Utd will burst the bubble. Ach, stuff it...let's just enjoy this feeling!

[ancientsaint]

Excellent day against a poor team and a very quiet away support.......Marred by a clown in the middle of the park who obviously hates anything Blue....BRINES - Should be done under the trade descriptions act and by Fraud squad (match fee !!).

[Scobby_SJFC]

Great day, good performance guys!!! sheerin what a goal!!!!

[MUZZ]

very enjoyable day indeed. that goal will be spoken about for years.

[Dave H]

poor crowd :( two cracking goals and a goal that was ruled out (looked legit to me) ref was terrible today! really terrible!

[templeofsaints]

Absolutely beautiful today. Sheerin's goal was amazing skill (if it had been the OF they'd be raving about it for weeks) and Savo capped off a good afternoon (especially after the kick he took in the 1st half).

Dundee looked down and beat from the off - there wasn't a bad performer in the Saints side and even up against the arseness of Brines (Christ how can anyone make Steve Conroy look competent!?!?!) I think Main only had to make one save all afternoon.

Long live Del's lucky tank top!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

PS Is Alex Rae just a numpty or doesn't he know what the dotted lines round the dugout are for ?? :D

[MUZZ]

poor crowd :( two cracking goals and a goal that was ruled out (looked legit to me) ref was terrible today! really terrible!


forget about the crowd, those who stayed away will regret missing the euphoria of sheerin's goal celebrations.

[Dave H]

Long live Del's lucky tank top!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

:D

It is the fashion now at McD, everyone must buy a tank top :) i commented to my mates also that I wasnt aware they were back in fashion :)

They are now - TANK TOPS RULE!

[Brian Potter]

Today was all about the result!

First half looked like both teams were scared of loosing, big time!

Step froward Mr Paul Sheerin!

Aside from the result, I was delighted with how well Rusty and big Caff played, starting to look like an actual defensive partnership! Craig had better watch himself, if he keeps playing like that he'll be the new left back, search over!

Its all about confidence with us, which couldn't be higher after today!

Well done boys! Makes for a good night tonight!

Enjoy all!

[saint in exile]

Well done the Saints

[meldy 60]

Missed the game (working)but what a great night i and all of us will have.:laugh:

COME ON YOU SAINTS.

[Cagey]

Great result in a game that could have finished our season. First half was stalemate but Del changed it a bit in the second & it made a big difference. All the team played well today but Irvine,Swankie & Samual were just short.

Swankie was better in the second half when he moved left & can`t understand why Del played him on the right when Savo could have played there instead of the left.


Holmes & Moon played well when they came on.

Hope this kicks off our season now & we don`t throw it all away against Clydebank.

[slf]

2 goals ,sheerins a cracker, beat the coags, gave us all a lift braw.

[1884]

It is the fashion now at McD, everyone must buy a tank top :) i commented to my mates also that I wasnt aware they were back in fashion :)

They are now - TANK TOPS RULE!

http://file044b.bebo.com/8/large/2008/09/20/22/3638331120a8935263633l.jpg

Anyone else think Mr McInnes takes his fashion advice fae these kids that were on the Jeanfield 208 Saints bus to Dumfries last week?:laugh:

[Broggy Man]

Just a note did you see the look on Sheerins face when he came over to celibrate his goal. Everybody could see what that meant to him

[MUZZ]

Just a note did you see the look on Sheerins face when he came over to celibrate his goal. Everybody could see what that meant to him

he was well buzzing man. it was one of those moments that don't happen so often in such a big game against our main rivals. the celebrations in th east stand were magic. it all came together yesterday.

[saint sid]

[QUOTE=Dundeederryboy;155696]The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday
crap support fae coags yesterday! more like a de-ranged pussy cat "meaow" :shock: than enraged beast:evil: have you been getting singing lessons from george galloway? can you hear the scumdee sing no-oh no-oh 2-0 g.i.r.f.u.y

[sign dave]

talking about all the celebrations and atmosphere, did any one notice that becasue so many of us were all standing and singing so loud that there was very little done by stewards to sit us down?

[templeofsaints]

[QUOTE=Dundeederryboy;155696]The dens derry will react like an enraged beast on saturday
crap support fae coags yesterday! more like a de-ranged pussy cat "meaow" :shock: than enraged beast:evil: have you been getting singing lessons from george galloway? can you hear the scumdee sing no-oh no-oh 2-0 g.i.r.f.u.y

They seemed to be more dee-pressed than dee-ranged at the end :twisted:

[541ntees]

Great team performance !

The conductor krpt the fans going made a great save from Dodds(i think) and dealt well with cross balls.

Irvine was ok. Rusty was immense-1st to everything. Caff was solid too. Craig showed great energy and link up play with Sheerin.

Swankie looked like he had the beating of his man early on but disappeared. Millar must down a case of red bull before kick off he covered every blade of grass. MMM was ok and did his usual "you've been hardied" tackles just before Del subbed him. Sheerhino was awesome, great composure always finds his man and that goal, what can you say!
Savo was clinical with his goal and his 1st touch in the 2nd half from some long balls was world class! Sammy was ok 1st half but not a lot to feed off and looked disinterested 2nd half.

Homer won everything and did well to set up Savo despite being fouled. not much to say about Morgan and Mooner looked hungry when he came on

well done lads and g.i.r.u.y. scumdee!

[wee john]

IMHO It was a shocking first half, Saints were indeed rank rotten in that first half.
Rusty was having a wee mare at the back.
Second half of course was much better and Rusty had a great second half but was living on the edge after his silly booking and could easily have been off the park after a wee dig off the ball, he truely is so unpredictable, a timebomb describes him very well.
All in all a superb result which probably makes the fans forget about the problems we still undoubtedly have.
Dundee were rank rotten in general and definately have more problems than we do even taking into account our defence.
Not following on with the euphoria of the previous posts, just being realistic.

[garydavidson]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_div_1/7639978.stm

holmes thought he had scored when he was on the bench did he? good old bbc

[Macarius]

Was impressed with the result this week. This is apparently the team that were going to rival us for promotion contention, and if thats the case, SPL football next year here we come.

No but seriously. I thought Liam Craig was immense at left back, especially since its not his natural position, although you'd be hard pressed to admit that after Saturday. Irvine was his usual rather anonymous but important self. Rusty was immense, a right good old fashioned rock of a centre half. Caff played well although some of his distribution was shocking.

The midfield was sticking to a see no evil, hear no evil policy for much of Saturday. Swankie was almost invisible, Sheerin was fantastic, obviously for his goal but his all round play was very glue like, holding the pieces together. Hardie and Millar didn't make their presence that well known but in the most positive way possible. Samuel looked a bit off today, constantly given high long balls too chase. Savo however was fantastic. He really puts in a shift everytime he's in a saints shirt and some of his close control of high lobs coming over his shoulder would make Maradonna envious.

All in all, if we can grind out a 2-0 result without having that many players really firing at the top of their game then I can safely say were are laughing just now. When wee Jody Morris and big Kev James get back, the only way is up.

[541ntees]

If I play "the Addams Family" theme just before kick off will the East Stand sing?

I arrived just after kick off please tell me this happened?

[dee4life]

Didna go to the game on saturday and now glad I didn,t,just what I expected and we are in disaray at the moment.No looking forward to firhill on saturday but at least it is a good piss up.Onwards and upwards.

[thewhorule2002]

Didna go to the game on saturday and now glad I didn,t,just what I expected and we are in disaray at the moment.No looking forward to firhill on saturday but at least it is a good piss up.Onwards and upwards.

The Dundee support was very poor (in number and voice) and a number were chanting for Rae to go at the end.

You did miss one of the best goals I have seen at McD in Sheerins first - although im sure it might not have been quite as well received in the dundee end!

[dee4life]

The Dundee support was very poor (in number and voice) and a number were chanting for Rae to go at the end.

You did miss one of the best goals I have seen at McD in Sheerins first - although im sure it might not have been quite as well received in the dundee end!

Didna expect that much although my mate said 1500(which as usual differs from home estimates),but a lot of fans have had it with rae who seems unable to 1 motivate the players anymore and 2 change anything when iots not going well.Poor crowd all round judging by the figures and you are due us one as you didn,t beat us last season.The result was about what I expected to be honest.

[blueheaven]

A long-awaited first game of the season for me, and delighted to see not only a Saints victory but surely one of the top 10 best goals to have been scored at McDiarmid Park?

I thought Saints were quite poor in the first half, but certainly no worse than Dundee who looked really awful (their travelling support was predictably awful as well - that club has a terrible support). I thought most of the new signings looked promising if unspectacular - Samuel has some great touches and good workrate (bizarrely I heard a few people moaning at him for being "a lazy b*stard" - what terrific backing to give the guy :rolleyes:), Millar didn't have the best of games but looked capable of being a really good player on his day, Swankie was fine and, in Holmes, it's great to see us again having the option of a Roddy Grant/Graeme Jones-style target man. I also thought Liam Craig was surprisingly good at left-back - given time to develop he could turn into a really good player in that role. McCaffrey also looked to me to be a far better defender than some have been suggesting on here.

I even quite liked the new pies! Went for the balti option and thought it was a good 'un - and most of the prices aren't really that bad.

Great to see that The Wizard's still got his magic, and hopefully we're back on the way up. McInnes has deserved this chance to get us out of our slump and, slowly but surely, I think he's doing just fine. The main criticism I'd have of his tactics is that it's quite difficult at times to see what the overall plan is, and I still think our players opt to hoof the ball up the park in blind hope too often. We look a good team when we get the ball down on the deck though. Hopefully when Morris re-enters the team it'll be a team that's still doing well and winning, as I think that'll give him a better chance of shining than if he had come into the team a month or so ago at a point where there'd be a huge amount of pressure on him to single-handedly change everything.

Good stuff.

[dee4life]

A long-awaited first game of the season for me, and delighted to see not only a Saints victory but surely one of the top 10 best goals to have been scored at McDiarmid Park?

I thought Saints were quite poor in the first half, but certainly no worse than Dundee who looked really awful (their travelling support was predictably awful as well - that club has a terrible support). I thought most of the new signings looked promising if unspectacular - Samuel has some great touches and good workrate (bizarrely I heard a few people moaning at him for being "a lazy b*stard" - what terrific backing to give the guy :rolleyes:), Millar didn't have the best of games but looked capable of being a really good player on his day, Swankie was fine and, in Holmes, it's great to see us again having the option of a Roddy Grant/Graeme Jones-style target man. I also thought Liam Craig was surprisingly good at left-back - given time to develop he could turn into a really good player in that role. McCaffrey also looked to me to be a far better defender than some have been suggesting on here.

I even quite liked the new pies! Went for the balti option and thought it was a good 'un - and most of the prices aren't really that bad.

Great to see that The Wizard's still got his magic, and hopefully we're back on the way up. McInnes has deserved this chance to get us out of our slump and, slowly but surely, I think he's doing just fine. The main criticism I'd have of his tactics is that it's quite difficult at times to see what the overall plan is, and I still think our players opt to hoof the ball up the park in blind hope too often. We look a good team when we get the ball down on the deck though. Hopefully when Morris re-enters the team it'll be a team that's still doing well and winning, as I think that'll give him a better chance of shining than if he had come into the team a month or so ago at a point where there'd be a huge amount of pressure on him to single-handedly change everything.

Good stuff.

I was not at the game saturday but on what basis is our support awful?Are you judging on this one game or in general?

[blueheaven]

I was not at the game saturday but on what basis is our support awful?Are you judging on this one game or in general?

Both. Dundee had a very small support at McDiarmid on Saturday, given how short a journey it is from Dundee to Perth. And I don't really think people staying away because they're unhappy with Rae is a good reason - surely a big part of being a good support is the you stick with your team through thick and thin. Even disregarding Saturday though, Dundee pretty much always seem to have a pretty poor backing.

[dee4life]

Both. Dundee had a very small support at McDiarmid on Saturday, given how short a journey it is from Dundee to Perth. And I don't really think people staying away because they're unhappy with Rae is a good reason - surely a big part of being a good support is the you stick with your team through thick and thin. Even disregarding Saturday though, Dundee pretty much always seem to have a pretty poor backing.

We took over 5000 to your ground last season which I would imagine is far more than any other team in the league.We have the biggest home support in the league(means nothing I know).The home support must also have been down on last season games and it could be cause money is tight just now.I could only go to saturdays game or next week at firhill and chose the latter,you seem to miss a few games yourself so maybe you are not the best judge(just a thought).

[Noose76]

Dundee have the largest support and best travelling support in the 1st division.

My only criticism of them is that they've all got haircuts based on the Brady Bunch.

[dee4life]

Dundee have the largest support and best travelling support in the 1st division.

My only criticism of them is that they've all got haircuts based on the Brady Bunch.

I will see you in the maltman next game about that statement noose!:wink:

[Noose76]

Listen mate, don't get me started on the moustached women! :D

[chips for tea]

Listen mate, don't get me started on the moustached women! :D

Leave my wife oot of this thank you

[SlickDT]

Good result on Saturday. :D

First half we were pretty average with distribution form the back being quite poor at times. Dundee, on this showing, are a fairly poor team. I thought Curier in particular was no where near as good as I thought he would be, Caff had him in his pocket all game.

2nd half was much better. We kept the ball on the deck alot more and Sheerin was alot quicker on the ball with his passess. With the exception of Swankie (who I thought was very poor) and Samuel (who had some good touches, but struggled to hold up the ball at times) all got pass marks.

Sheerins goal was a belter and Savo's was pretty good too. Main added a solid presence in goal with a great save in the first half (much better option than maclean) and I thought Craig was very good at left-back- would like to see him given time to develop in that position, could be a brilliant player there. Rusty and Caff pretty solid at the back, although would like to see them play the ball out better.

A few of my mates (first time of seeing Saints as through for a lads weekend) thought Homer added an option upfront and made us look much more threatening- must agree!

Well done lads!

[sign dave]

We took over 5000 to your ground last season which I would imagine is far more than any other team in the league.We have the biggest home support in the league(means nothing I know).The home support must also have been down on last season games and it could be cause money is tight just now.I could only go to saturdays game or next week at firhill and chose the latter,you seem to miss a few games yourself so maybe you are not the best judge(just a thought).


u must mean over 5000 including both games in perth combined?

u never brought that in one game surely.


we always bring a total of about 3-4 thousand at dens each year.

[Sainteesean]

does anyone have any pictures of the goals/match/SAINTS CROWD

that arnt on the offical site?

[dee4life]

u must mean over 5000 including both games in perth combined?

u never brought that in one game surely.


we always bring a total of about 3-4 thousand at dens each year.

For both games dave,I would estimate saints bring just under 3000 each season which isn,t bad.

[garydavidson]

For both games dave,I would estimate saints bring just under 3000 each season which isn,t bad.

Its hard enough getting them to mcD never mind through to dundee :)

I think I have only been to one saints v dundee game the time we won 1-0 to finish third. was away in belfast this weekend so missed the game.

[Kevin]

I arrived just after kick off please tell me this happened?

Aye, I played the Addams Family and the singing had just started when the polis decided to do their 'bing-bong' message. I complained but to no avail :evil:

[monkfish]

Samuel has some great touches and good workrate (bizarrely I heard a few people moaning at him for being "a lazy b*stard" - what terrific backing to give the guy :rolleyes:), Millar didn't have the best of games but looked capable of being a really good player on his day, Swankie was fine and, in Holmes, it's great to see us again having the option of a Roddy Grant/Graeme Jones-style target man.
Good stuff.

I called Samuel a lazy b*stard quite a few times. I wasn't at the last two games where he apparently played well, but this Saturday I thought he was poor. I didn't think he got stuck in enough, which maybe isn't his fault, but if we are going to keep punting balls up to him he needs to make more effort to get on the end of them.

I thought our midfield was pretty mixed TBH, Millar ran around a lot but gave the ball away a few times, Swankie did nothing, Hardie was OK and Sheerin was good. Mooner looks like he's bulked up a lot when he came on, any thoughts 101? :laugh:

In saying that, we looked fairly solid, and like folk have said to get anywhere you need to dig out results, and we seem to be beginning to be able to do that.

[blueheaven]

We took over 5000 to your ground last season which I would imagine is far more than any other team in the league.We have the biggest home support in the league(means nothing I know).The home support must also have been down on last season games and it could be cause money is tight just now.I could only go to saturdays game or next week at firhill and chose the latter,you seem to miss a few games yourself so maybe you are not the best judge(just a thought).

You're from a bigger home town/catchment area than any of the other teams in the division by quite some distance, so it's not particularly impressive that Dundee have the biggest support in the league. Relative to the size of your local population, your support is terrible, and your support on Saturday in particular was shameful.

You're right that I do miss quite a few games these days, on account of the fact that I live in London. I go to as many games as I can though, which is all I think you can ask of anyone. I'd also estimate that I've been to the vast majority of Saints v Dundee games for the last 20 years, so I'm not exactly speaking from inexperience. Besides, not being at a game doesn't prevent me from finding out attendances.

When people are prevented from getting to games by money or work or geography then that's fair enough, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse for a support not to turn up on mass purely because they don't like the manager. I was one of Billy Stark's biggest critics when he was at Saints, but that didn't stop me from going to practically every game while he was in charge.

Dundee have an awful support.

[blueheaven]

I called Samuel a lazy b*stard quite a few times. I wasn't at the last two games where he apparently played well, but this Saturday I thought he was poor. I didn't think he got stuck in enough, which maybe isn't his fault, but if we are going to keep punting balls up to him he needs to make more effort to get on the end of them.

That's all fair enough, but I didn't see any lack of effort from him. I actually thought he looked like he was working very hard and was doing a lot to try to influence the game. Just because a player doesn't constantly dart around the pitch like Savo does, doesn't mean he's not trying.

Of course the guy should chase balls that are hit through to them, but if they're miles away from him then there's not much he can do - I actually heard one person call him a "lazy bastard" on Saturday while he was in the process of running after a big punt up the pitch that he clearly had no chance of ever getting to. I felt at the time that it was a pretty bizarre thing to say under the circumstances.

[101 Saint]

I called Samuel a lazy b*stard quite a few times. I wasn't at the last two games where he apparently played well, but this Saturday I thought he was poor. I didn't think he got stuck in enough, which maybe isn't his fault, but if we are going to keep punting balls up to him he needs to make more effort to get on the end of them.

I thought our midfield was pretty mixed TBH, Millar ran around a lot but gave the ball away a few times, Swankie did nothing, Hardie was OK and Sheerin was good. Mooner looks like he's bulked up a lot when he came on, any thoughts 101? :laugh:

In saying that, we looked fairly solid, and like folk have said to get anywhere you need to dig out results, and we seem to be beginning to be able to do that.

My thoughts on Sammy or Mooner?

Sammy is not lazy (in the way that Jason was) but he is not a grafter (like Savo). He is waste of talent in terms of he'll never achieve his maximum output. That may be good for us, as if he worked his backside off he'd be out of our reach.

I'm pretty sure that many fans call him lazy of account of the fact that he's black and so should follow the stereotype of lazy Carib*stard. In the same way all Scots are kilt-wearing gingers, who are immune to pain and injury; such as Keigan Parker

No thoughts on Mooner that differ from last year. Sheerin's goal was great, brilliant, awesome but it's his first (in open play) in 20 months. Mooner over Sheerin every time; having said that, I'd be going Swankie-Mooner-Sheerin-Hardie against Airdrie. *Ducks head, waits for Blueheaven and Soulful Saint to open fire:laugh:

[dee4life]

You're from a bigger home town/catchment area than any of the other teams in the division by quite some distance, so it's not particularly impressive that Dundee have the biggest support in the league. Relative to the size of your local population, your support is terrible, and your support on Saturday in particular was shameful.

You're right that I do miss quite a few games these days, on account of the fact that I live in London. I go to as many games as I can though, which is all I think you can ask of anyone. I'd also estimate that I've been to the vast majority of Saints v Dundee games for the last 20 years, so I'm not exactly speaking from inexperience. Besides, not being at a game doesn't prevent me from finding out attendances.

When people are prevented from getting to games by money or work or geography then that's fair enough, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse for a support not to turn up on mass purely because they don't like the manager. I was one of Billy Stark's biggest critics when he was at Saints, but that didn't stop me from going to practically every game while he was in charge.

Dundee have an awful support.

I disagree and think I should know a bit more about our support than you.We still get more at home than some spl games and there are also 2 teams from our city,so the catchment area is not as big as you point out.Our fans saved our club that is a fact and why you statement is way of the mark.

[ShakespeareBar]

Once Chisholm moves to Dens within the next fortnight or so Dundee will soon catch up on Livvi.

[SingaporeSaint]

I hate to be a pessimist, good win but one swallow doesnt make a blowjob !

[Steve Maskrey]

Is John Bennett definitely taking over?

Dundee fans seem fairly confident that Chisholm will be their new manager but would he go? I know he's an ex player but he seems to be on a good number at QOS, they're financially sound and as things stand, a better chances of promotion there than at Dens.

I would've gone for Stevie Frail. A good coach hard done by Hearts and more likely to turn things around with the current squad

[blueheaven]

I disagree and think I should know a bit more about our support than you.We still get more at home than some spl games and there are also 2 teams from our city,so the catchment area is not as big as you point out.Our fans saved our club that is a fact and why you statement is way of the mark.

You don't exactly need to be an expert on Dundee supporters to do the basic maths. Dundee (not including surrounding villages) has a population of about 140,000. Perth (not including surrounding villages) has a population of about 45,000. Divide Dundee's population by 2, to take into account the two clubs that play there, and that still gives you 70,000 - a far bigger area to play with than anyone else in the division. Add in the fact that Dundee are supposedly a bigger club with a successful past (both debatable, I know), and Dundee should surely be drawing in a far bigger support than they do.

The fans may well have saved the club - that's what hardcore supporters often do, and doesn't really make Dundee anyone different from anyone else. Every club has a number of dedicated fans who would dig deep in times of trouble. The only difference between Saints and Dundee on that front is that it's never been necessary for Saints fans to fill the club's begging bowls because our club hasn't been horrendously mismanaged like yours has. Just because Dundee fans saved your club doesn't mean by default that your club has fantastic attendances - in reality, your attendances are very poor.

[dee4life]

You don't exactly need to be an expert on Dundee supporters to do the basic maths. Dundee (not including surrounding villages) has a population of about 140,000. Perth (not including surrounding villages) has a population of about 45,000. Divide Dundee's population by 2, to take into account the two clubs that play there, and that still gives you 70,000 - a far bigger area to play with than anyone else in the division. Add in the fact that Dundee are supposedly a bigger club with a successful past (both debatable, I know), and Dundee should surely be drawing in a far bigger support than they do.

The fans may well have saved the club - that's what hardcore supporters often do, and doesn't really make Dundee anyone different from anyone else. Every club has a number of dedicated fans who would dig deep in times of trouble. The only difference between Saints and Dundee on that front is that it's never been necessary for Saints fans to fill the club's begging bowls because our club hasn't been horrendously mismanaged like yours has. Just because Dundee fans saved your club doesn't mean by default that your club has fantastic attendances - in reality, your attendances are very poor.

Other clubs have went bust due to mismanagement we did not allow that to happen to our club,the fans rallied round and helped save our club,I think even you would agree £17 for 1st division(pretty poor standard) football ios a joke and for us to average over 4000 is imo very good,all teams have a loyal fan base and ours is bigger due to the numbers you quoted,but we alongside all other clubs have fans who want to see the best teams and if we were in the spl would have more home fans just like saints would.You are a far better run club I know that but in terms of size a smaller one and maybe that is what is annoying you.

[Noose76]

blueheaven, I find it embarrassing reading your post and I am sick of hearing that pish excuse on this website.

Fact of the matter is, Dundee travel better then us, Dundee get a larger home support then us, but that doesn't mean we're any less a team or worse off then them.

Football isn't a mathematical equation, some teams have a small loud support and others have a large, generally quiet support, it comes down to the quality characters in the end.

[dee4life]

blueheaven, I find it embarrassing reading your post and I am sick of hearing that pish excuse on this website.

Fact of the matter is, Dundee travel better then us, Dundee get a larger home support then us, but that doesn't mean we're any less a team or worse off then them.

Football isn't a mathematical equation, some teams have a small loud support and others have a large, generally quiet support, it comes down to the quality characters in the end.

You just end up mugging yourself off by breaking it down like that.

Noose scottish football fans imo are much the same,home crowds can ingeneral be quiet but usually away from home club,s supporter,s give it laldy.I dinna think we are any better or worse than most club,s fans.I just had to argue the statement that we had an awful support.The reason the crowds are poor is down to imo pricing.

[Noose76]

I've heard the demographics argument 40 times on WAP, and it reeks of envy and jealousy IMO.

I couldn't give 2 ****s what Dundee or Falkirk's support is like, I'm St Johnstone and all I care about is that we as fans put in a good show wherever we go, whether thats 50, like at Stranraer a few years back, or 5,000 at Hampden.

[thewhorule2002]

Noose scottish football fans imo are much the same,home crowds can ingeneral be quiet but usually away from home club,s supporter,s give it laldy.I dinna think we are any better or worse than most club,s fans.I just had to argue the statement that we had an awful support.The reason the crowds are poor is down to imo pricing.

Saints have a crap support as well - to think our record attendance is nearly 30,000 v Dundee! We have very few supporters who go to all the matches home and away - this as you say is costly. I go to as many as I can but £17 plus travel is a lot every week. Our core group of fans are good but the majority only turn up for the Dundee games or later rounds of the cups.

However I was very shocked at how small the Dundee support was and how subdued they were on Saturday - a real feeling of pessimism looks to be surrounding the club.

[dee4life]

Saints have a crap support as well - to think our record attendance is nearly 30,000 v Dundee! We have very few supporters who go to all the matches home and away - this as you say is costly. I go to as many as I can but £17 plus travel is a lot every week. Our core group of fans are good but the majority only turn up for the Dundee games or later rounds of the cups.

However I was very shocked at how small the Dundee support was and how subdued they were on Saturday - a real feeling of pessimism looks to be surrounding the club.

The biggest away support at dens this season was the pars(around 800)all the away crowds are down and it is due to finance.How many fans did we have on saturday? anything around 1000 was what I predicted and still a healthy support.We are not playing great football so fans wont go and some want rae out.

[Noose76]

Dundee support on Saturday was almost unrecognisable from the support you brought last season.

If the fans want something changed at the club, then that is the way to go about it.

[dee4life]

Dundee support on Saturday was almost unrecognisable from the support you brought last season.

If the fans want something changed at the club, then that is the way to go about it.

As I said noose I,m no surprised,I will go to firhill on saturday basically for a good day out.

[Noose76]

You going for a pint in Chic Charnley's boozer? :-)

[dee4life]

You going for a pint in Chic Charnley's boozer? :-)

Usually head for maryhill road and do a few pubs there,I like it there.

[Scobby_SJFC]

Dundee support on Saturday was almost unrecognisable from the support you brought last season.

If the fans want something changed at the club, then that is the way to go about it.

To be fair, its 10x better than any other team will bring!!

[blueheaven]

Other clubs have went bust due to mismanagement we did not allow that to happen to our club,the fans rallied round and helped save our club,I think even you would agree £17 for 1st division(pretty poor standard) football ios a joke and for us to average over 4000 is imo very good,all teams have a loyal fan base and ours is bigger due to the numbers you quoted,but we alongside all other clubs have fans who want to see the best teams and if we were in the spl would have more home fans just like saints would.You are a far better run club I know that but in terms of size a smaller one and maybe that is what is annoying you.

What makes you think anything is annoying me? I commented that Dundee have a terrible support - you debated the point, and I'm debating back. I agree with most of what you say above (although I've just checked and your average attendance this season is actually just below 4,000), but that doesn't change the fact that, for the size of the city they play in, Dundee don't do very well when it comes to attracting supporters, and Saints pull in a bigger percentage of their local population than Dundee do. As for Saints being a "smaller" club - to be honest I'm not even sure what that means, but whatever it means I can't say it bothers me. My support for Saints doesn't change whether we're pulling in crowds of 50,000 people or 5 people. If I was interested in supporting a "big" club I could easily just go and support Arsenal or Chelsea.

[blueheaven]

blueheaven, I find it embarrassing reading your post and I am sick of hearing that pish excuse on this website.

Fact of the matter is, Dundee travel better then us, Dundee get a larger home support then us, but that doesn't mean we're any less a team or worse off then them.

Football isn't a mathematical equation, some teams have a small loud support and others have a large, generally quiet support, it comes down to the quality characters in the end.

:laugh: You'll just have to carry on being embarrassed then!

I'm don't know what you think I'm making an "excuse" for, and I'm certainly not jealous of the following a club like Dundee get (ie a very poor following).

I'm not sure if you're trying to make the point that population size doesn't affect the support clubs get, but I hope not, because that's clearly nonsense. It's not just a coincidence that the larger towns and cities tend to also be the towns and cities that have teams playing in the top leagues.

Whether you like to hear about it or not, it's a fact that Saints attract a higher percentage of their local population to games than Dundee do.

[O'Rourke]

If I was interested in supporting a "big" club I could easily just go and support Arsenal or Chelsea.

......or Dundee United, who are the biggest/most successful team in their City/Street.

[Saintkev]

I couldn't give 2 ****s what Dundee or Falkirk's support is like, I'm St Johnstone and all I care about is that we as fans put in a good show wherever we go, whether thats 50, like at Stranraer a few years back, or 5,000 at Hampden.

Obviously you could as you are arguing and claiming that Dundee have the best/biggest support in the league...

All I'll say on this point is that Rangers and Celtic have the largest supports in Scotland, doesn't mean that they are good supporters... some may say twats!?!

[Noose76]

Kev, Bigger support, yes, but I've never said better support.

Blueheaven, I simply think that you claiming that their support is shocking every time Dundee are mentioned, sounds like sour grapes to me.

Too many people on here get bogged down with Dundee instead of focusing on the thing that matters, which is St Johnstone.

Over and out.

[Macarius]

Aye, gie the dundee fans a break. Could be worse, could be glory hunting old firm evangalists.

[dee4life]

Aye, gie the dundee fans a break. Could be worse, could be glory hunting old firm evangalists.

I had a wee giggle at celtic last night and also strachan going daft about the free kick that led to the goal,am I a bad person.:)