#30 - 07/03/09 - Ross County (h)

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Next up, Ross County, a team who we have played 4 times this season already, resulting in 1 loss, 2 wins and a draw...In fact County were the last team to score at Mc D on the 8th of november and we have yet to keep a clean sheet against them this season. I think this will be a tough game and anyone who thinks not may be deluding themselves..We MUST though, take 3 points from this one and Del has to go for more attacking tactics if we are wanting to actually win this bloody league. We NEED the midfield to be more offensive and get there arses up much quicker than they have recently..With the Pars and Dundee not in action this is ANOTHER great chance to put some distance between us and them and with Partick playing we need to keep the gap at least at 3 points.

Team wise????????

Main

Irvine, Rusty, Caff, Byrne

Millar, Moon, Sheerin, Craig.

Homer, Barrett

Subs..McLean, Savo, Hardie, Gartland, Samuel(if fit)Swankie (if sammys still out)

Injured. Morris, James, Peaso, Jacko,

Odd man out..... Ando:sad:

[WebbyDFC]

Personally I don't see why you would have Barrett and Holmes in the same strike force as they didn't really pose much of a goal threat, it would have to be either one of them with Savo.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Personally I don't see why you would have Barrett and Holmes in the same strike force as they didn't really pose much of a goal threat, it would have to be either one of them with Savo.

Holmes did brilliantly in the 2-2 draw at dingwall a few weeks ago and terrorised the County defence. There keeper is VERY susceptible to high balls/deep crosses. From what little I saw of Barrett on Saturday he looks like he could beefit more from Homers flick ons than Savo. I'd certainly give those two the first half and take it from there....If Sammy was FULLY fit I'd have him in the midfield and drop Millar to the bench and tell Gavin to have the day off

[541ntees]

Main
Irvine Rusty Caff Byrne
Millar Mooner Sheerin Craig
Savo Homer

subs-McLean Gartland Hardie Barrett Sammy(Reynolds if not fit)

[Mike180279]

Next up, Ross County, a team who we have played 4 times this season already, resulting in 1 loss, 2 wins and a draw...In fact County were the last team to score at Mc D on the 8th of november and we have yet to keep a clean sheet against them this season. I think this will be a tough game and anyone who thinks not may be deluding themselves..We MUST though, take 3 points from this one and Del has to go for more attacking tactics if we are wanting to actually win this bloody league. We NEED the midfield to be more offensive and get there arses up much quicker than they have recently..With the Pars and Dundee not in action this is ANOTHER great chance to put some distance between us and them and with Partick playing we need to keep the gap at least at 3 points.

Team wise????????

Main

Irvine, Rusty, Caff, Byrne

Millar, Moon, Sheerin, Craig.

Homer, Barrett

Subs..McLean, Savo, Hardie, Gartland, Samuel(if fit)Swankie (if sammys still out)

Injured. Morris, James, Peaso, Jacko,

Odd man out..... Ando:sad:Similar lines Ghostie. Perhaps start with Homer on Bench to vary the 'long' ball tactic.

Savo instead of Homer.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Similar lines Ghostie. Perhaps start with Homer on Bench to vary the 'long' ball tactic.

Savo instead of Homer.

Were you up at Dingwall Mike???? They could not handle Homer at all and every cross that went into the final 3rd caused them problems mate.. Soutars nickname is Dracula because he,s afraid of crosses...

[Mike180279]

Were you up at Dingwall Mike???? They could not handle Homer at all and every cross that went into the final 3rd caused them problems mate.. Soutars nickname is Dracula because he,s afraid of crosses...
Not the recent game no. Just this negative bump up the park is getting a bit of a drag. They will be expecting it. I'm all for having homer on the pitch if we are getting telling balls into the box but its been lacking. Perhaps introducing this later in the game in the way to go.....

Were we 'hoofing' it up the park up there or were we trying to play some football?

I expect Del to start with Homer and Savo though

[saintj]

main

irvine rusty caff byrne

moon sheerin craig

sammy/savo homer barret

sammy if fit

pummel them from start to finish, barrett looked good when he came on i thought and hassled dundee backline well

[st Tommy]

Main
Irvine Rusty Caff Byrne
Millar Mooner Sheerin Craig
Savo Homer


agreed. got to be the team that started the 2nd half at the weekend for me.

[Tony Montana]

Massive game, and three points are needed if we are going to push on and win this league. I'd go with;

Main
Irvine Byrne Rutkiewicz McCaffrey
Millar Moon Craig Sheerin
Holmes Milne

McLean, Gartland, Barrett, Hardie, Swankie/Samuel

I think the Moon/Craig partnership in the midfield could be a really good one, and Jody could struggle to get back into the team if these two guys play like they did on Saturday week in week out. I'd like to see Barrett given longer against County maybe 30mins or so. Hoping to see a big improvement from Savo, and also Millar.

2-0 Saints, Holmes and Moon.

[CynicalSaintee]

Must win. Moony surely MUST get a start after his display against Scumdee?

[monkfish]

Must win. Moony surely MUST get a start after his display against Scumdee?

Why do you call him 'Moony'? Even 101 doesn't have a pet name (that he's made public anyway) :wink:

[CynicalSaintee]

Why do you call him 'Moony'? Even 101 doesn't have a pet name (that he's made public anyway) :wink:

I'unno. Tomato, Tamata.

Plus, I know his cousin :laugh:

[541ntees]

[QUOTE=Tony Montana;192878]

I think the Moon/Craig partnership in the midfield could be a really good one, and Jody could struggle to get back into the team if these two guys play like they did on Saturday week in week out. QUOTE]

we didn't have a moon/craig partnership on sat. we had 1st half moon/millar, 2nd half moon/sheerin. And thankfully Liam doesn't normally play that bad-i thought he was pretty poor.

[Tony Montana]

[QUOTE=Tony Montana;192878]

I think the Moon/Craig partnership in the midfield could be a really good one, and Jody could struggle to get back into the team if these two guys play like they did on Saturday week in week out. QUOTE]

we didn't have a moon/craig partnership on sat. we had 1st half moon/millar, 2nd half moon/sheerin. And thankfully Liam doesn't normally play that bad-i thought he was pretty poor.

I thought Craig move into the middle? Well that definitely should be the partnership on Saturday I feel.

[Perth-Saint]

Main

Irvine Ruti Caff Byrne

Millar Moon Sheerin Craig

Holmes Milne

Subs: McLean, Gartland, Swankie, Barrett, Samuel or Peaso (if fit)

Must get the three points on the board this weekend.

MON SAINTEES!!!!!!!!!

[saintj]

Why do you call him 'Moony'? Even 101 doesn't have a pet name (that he's made public anyway) :wink:

its always been 'moooooner' has it not?

[soulfulsaint]

Main

Irvine Ruti Caff Byrne

Millar Moon Sheerin Craig

Holmes Milne

Subs: McLean, Gartland, Swankie, Barrett, Samuel or Peaso (if fit)

Must get the three points on the board this weekend.

MON SAINTEES!!!!!!!!!

Just about agree but surely Hardie on the bench. And I'd join the crowd and give MoonBeam a full 90 mins

[541ntees]

Just about agree but surely Hardie on the bench. And I'd join the crowd and give MoonBeam a full 90 mins

I'm not sure Mooner can last 90mins? 1. he's not match fit 2.The ammount of running he does, i don't think he could keep that pace up for a full match. I quite like the idea of 64mins for Mooner then Hardie replacing him, though it will all depend how the game is going

[saintj]

assunming sammy is fit and is playing would it be good to start with 433 with sammy on the right of the of the front 3 which would potentially solve the rw position? im just thinking that with sammy being good on the right side at dingwall and i remember him coming on in quite a few games and having good runs up the wing

maybe not as far forward as the strikers but further forward in the midfield so he can get space to drive at players

[sjfc.spl.09-10]

can't make it, but come on the saints i was at dingwall a good day i fairly enjoyed

[herdo]

Main
Irvine Caff Rusty Ando
Samuel Moon Hardie Craig
Peaso Barrett

Never going to happen but would me my choice. If Peaso isnt fit enough to start then replace him with Savo.

Subs; Mclean, Gartland, Sheerin, Savo/Peaso, Holmes.

Holmes most impressive performances this season have been coming off the bench when the opposition defence is tiring so i reckon giving him a rest and using him last 20 minutes if all is not going to plan. I expect Byrne to start but i dont think he'd be a better option than Ando. Only positive with playing Byrne is he gives us the balance of a lefty but they are both not very impressive going forward but Ando is far superior defensively.

[101 Saint]

I expect Byrne to start but i dont think he'd be a better option than Ando. Only positive with playing Byrne is he gives us the balance of a lefty but they are both not very impressive going forward but Ando is far superior defensively.

Ando has his moments. Arguably the best play tonight came from Ando skinning two guys to set up our second goal. He roams forward very well, usually looking for a one-two. All round better player than Byrne.

EDIT: Four of your team are injured!

[Muggy]

A very difficult game, I think. St. Johnstone are expected to win, obviously, but Ross County are a team who can punish on the counter-attack. They have a very good midfield, arguably the best in the division, so that's something to consider.

A balance will be needed for this match. Kevin Moon was immense against Dundee, IMO, so surely he has to start? This is the type of game where Jody Morris's absence will be a telling one.

I'm not sure how Saint's should line up, but I think the fans will have to be patient, just like us Dundee fans will have to be against QOS.

I fancy another draw for this game.

1-1.

[Mike180279]

[QUOTE=Muggy;193257]

I'm not sure how Saint's should line up, but I think the fans will have to be patient, just like us Dundee fans will have to be against QOS.

QUOTE]You dont have a game on Saturday. I think you play QoS the Tuesday? When we have clyde.

[perth_saintee12]

Wont be in attendance.....goddam employment!:sad:

[Muggy]

[QUOTE=Muggy;193257]

I'm not sure how Saint's should line up, but I think the fans will have to be patient, just like us Dundee fans will have to be against QOS.

QUOTE]You dont have a game on Saturday. I think you play QoS the Tuesday? When we have clyde.

True. Saturday is a term I use to refer to match day.

No game in this league is easy though.

[Mike180279]

[QUOTE=Mike180279;193267]

True. Saturday is a term I use to refer to match day.

No game in this league is easy though.
especially Broadwood. I would rather we were at dens!

[CynicalSaintee]

Thank goodness Sammy is back for this one, or rather should be. We get nothing from the right, and we could do with his pace and technical ability.

[thewhorule2002]

The game is on Saturday and its a huge one, yet this thread had just went off the first page on saints chat.

Why the negativity? We are top of the league! I would have given anything to be in this position the last few seasons.

I would go:

Main
Irvine Rusty Caff Byrne
Sammy Millar Sheerin Craig
Homer Savo

We have been lacking anyone that can play on the right side of midfield and whilst I dont think sammy is the answer, his pace can provide county with a lot of problems.

Homer caused them lots of problems last time and he can do so again.

Come on saints!

[Mike180279]

The game is on Saturday and its a huge one, yet this thread had just went off the first page on saints chat.

Why the negativity? We are top of the league! I would have given anything to be in this position the last few seasons.

I would go:

Main
Irvine Rusty Caff Byrne
Sammy Millar Sheerin Craig
Homer Savo

We have been lacking anyone that can play on the right side of midfield and whilst I dont think sammy is the answer, his pace can provide county with a lot of problems.

Homer caused them lots of problems last time and he can do so again.

Come on saints!You have to question Sammy Fitness to start the game but I know where you are coming from. Moon must play after last week.

Swankie to come on 65 mins, score 1 and set up 2.

[StuartBeedieFanClub]

I think Del will pick this team.

Main

Irvine, Rusty, Caff, Byrne

Millar, Moon, Sheerin, Craig

Homer, Savo

I would take a 1-0 win with an own goal, as we need to take three points, ok the beer will go down better on Saturday night if we win 3 or 4-0.

[R.B.B:- Adz]

I would take a 1-0 win with an own goal, as we need to take three points, ok the beer will go down better on Saturday night if we win 3 or 4-0.

My pint will go down like a dream if its 1-0! Any scoreline as long as its a win. County will be tough to break down and are not to be underestimated.

[slf]

stick the undersoil heating on .

[Mike180279]

stick the undersoil heating on .Yeah this game must go ahead! We want to put some distance between the others and crank the pressure up!

I am sure someone said it had to be switched on Thursday for it to work but as it was frosty yesterday too only an idiot wouldnt have though to click the switch!

[Radford 72]

I want a bit of style with a victory tomorrow to really send out a statement of intent. I hate saying a game is must win but I think there will be real reason for concern if we don't pick up the three points. At the same time there's no way we can lose sight of how hard the game could be, depending on what County side turn up. They've already won at Dens, Firhill (twice) and East End Park this season and although it was maybe harsh on us, they did lead us by two goals at half-time only a month ago. Not forgetting their good performance against us in the Alba Cup back in July.

After having really only 17 or 18 players to choose from last week, squad is boosted again a bit with the return of Samuel and Hardie and I'd expect both to be involved in the squad, with MacDonald for certain likely to be sat in the stand again. I was surprised he recalled McCaffrey last week. Nothing to do with the abilities of the two players but it seemed strange to drop him at Queen of the South if it wasn't to bring Gartland in long-term. I'd expect Caff to hold onto the jersey tomorrow now though. Despite Barrett's goals for the reserves, I still reckon it'll be Milne and Holmes in attack.

Midfield as always will be the headache as there is little to choose between most of the options. Hardie won't start the match and McInnes is playing with fire if he starts Swankie so that really leaves Millar, Moon, Sheerin and Craig?

Have a horrible feeling about the match.

[soulfulsaint]

I want a bit of style with a victory tomorrow to really send out a statement of intent. I hate saying a game is must win but I think there will be real reason for concern if we don't pick up the three points. Have a horrible feeling about the match.

Worry not. Very tight game with life choked out of it. Savo scores in 78minutes. St Johnstone get three points and we sleep like babies. There will be more nervous days to come but I have a feeling we have seen off the storms and spring awaits.

[101 Saint]

Radford, we always win when you fear the worst. Keep these negative vibes going. Soulful's probably nailed the match report, it'll be be a stuffy affair in comparison to the Dingwall game. Scrappy one goal victories so often point to champions elect.

Not as if Dyron Daal could score against us, is it?

[Harold_Bishop]

i feel we need to pump a team by a good 3/4 goals to put the shitters up everyone - this could be the game

[Ronaldo]

It'll be interesting to see which team he plays tomorrow. Will it be the team that should have been 2-0 up in Dingwall or will it be the team that came back from 2-0 down (with Swankie and Jackson)?

[thewhorule2002]

If we get a convincing win here then it really will be a big blow to the confidence of Dundee and Partick, regardless of their results.

For that reason, this is a huge game for Saints.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

we must win this game!!!!

[Mike180279]

If we get a convincing win here then it really will be a big blow to the confidence of Dundee and Partick, regardless of their results.

For that reason, this is a huge game for Saints.dundee are not playing, due to play the end of march @ Dunfermline postponed because of their cup game. If we win, the significance is huge.

[Mike180279]

I cant help think it seems a bit flat on here this week. Is this because we played dundee last week or there is an element of doubt abt it tomorrow?

[101 Saint]

I cant help think it seems a bit flat on here this week. Is this because we played dundee last week or there is an element of doubt abt it tomorrow?

Only the diehards care about these games, and we're few and far between. No glam tomorrow.

[The Inspiration]

despite the apparent lack of excitement im actually looking forward to tomorrow. we are due a comfortable win and i think tomorrow will be the day we click in midfield. i would go with..

main
irvine rusty caff byrne
swankie moon millar craig
homer savo

mclean, gartland, sheerin, samuel, barret.

sounds like this game has come too soon for hardie, want to have ando included but cant see mcinness leaving gartland out completely. id go 3-1 saints, well fought and deserved victory.


COME ON YOU BLUUUUUUUES!

[Mike180279]

Only the diehards care about these games, and we're few and far between. No glam tomorrow.I am getting the butterflies again like I always do on a friday night. Looking out my sons kit for his game tomorrow then off down the a90 to the hallowed turf

[sjfcsean]

Must win game!

I'd go with...

Main
Irvine Rusty Caff Byrne
Millar Moon Sheerin Craig
Savo Holmes

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

LETS GET STUCK INTO THESE ****ING HIGHLANDERS..NO MISTAKES . THREE POINTS..COME ON SAINTS



WIN, WIN,WIN,WIN...

[Mike180279]

LETS GET STUCK INTO THESE ****ING HIGHLANDERS..NO MISTAKES . THREE POINTS..COME ON SAINTS



WIN, WIN,WIN,WIN...Thats more like it!!!!

[geoff was right!!]

I cant help think it seems a bit flat on here this week. Is this because we played dundee last week or there is an element of doubt abt it tomorrow?

I'm looking forward to this more than last week. Should win this one with no problems. Come on Saints, 3 points in the bag

[101 Saint]

Hope the heating's off, it's mild the night. The poor wee pitch has fair taking a hammering from the elements recently.

[Chansey]

I'm making the trip for the first time in a while tomorrow so I can't wait!! For the last few months I have been 'watching' via the sky sports score centre which has been horrible, and for that reason I am not as confident as the poster above. Looking forward to some good passing football from the blues, and hopefully a goal or two thrown in, driving home with a great big smile after 3 points. *fingers crossed*

[R.B.B:- Adz]

Hoping that either Martin or Sammy make this one or ideally both. Ideal starting 11 that would all but guarantee a victory.

Main

Irvine Dinky Caff Byrne

Sammy Hardie Moon Craig

Holmes Savo

Have to leave out Chris Millar and Paul Sheerin which is a shame but i must emphasise my view that Samuel and Hardie could start turning our draws into wins.

[O'Rourke]

Hoping that either Martin or Sammy make this one or ideally both. Ideal starting 11 that would all but guarantee a victory.

Main

Irvine Dinky Caff Byrne

Sammy Hardie Moon Craig

Holmes Savo

Have to leave out Chris Millar and Paul Sheerin which is a shame but i must emphasise my view that Samuel and Hardie could start turning our draws into wins.

Chris Millar will start.

[geoff was right!!]

I'll go for:-

Main
Irvine Rusty Caff Byrne
Millar Moon Sheerin Craig
Holmes Barrett

Subs McLean Ando Savo Peaso Sammy if fit

And Swankie sitting in the stand

[O'Rourke]

I'd bet my house on the following starting side (for any County fans reading this, a house is like a caravan with no wheels).

Main

Irvine Dinky Caff and Byrne

Millar Moon Sheerin and Craig

Savo and Homer

subs: Sammy, Hardie, Ando, Barrett and McLean

I'd give Barrett a decent run (at least half an hour after his wee cameo last week)

Odd goal win, hopefully for the good guys.

[Dylan-Saints]

think there could potentially be a big crowd for this gme

[R.B.B:- Adz]

Chris Millar will start.

Ive no doubt he will but my line up was based on a team that i believed would win the match in the most convincing fashion.

Cant believe you'd throw Barrett on before Sammy!

[saintj]

Main

Irvine Dinky Caff and Byrne

Millar Moon Sheerin and Craig

Savo and Homer



unfortunately i think you will be right with this line up, craig and sheerin may swap though

[SingaporeSaint]

As per others, we are due someone a good humping......hopefully it is today. 3-0 saints, cmon....

[SingaporeSaint]

Would like to see young Moonshine in the starting line up.

[Ronaldo]

Let's get an early goal for a change so that we can go on and play the football we know we're capable of. I know it's likely to be another tight game but it would be nice for a change to go 1-0 up early in the game.

[Perth-Saint]

Getting hyped up this morning. I think its a big game for us, I think three points today could be vital.

Feel like crap, but will get up to McDairmid to support the lads anyway:D.


MON SAINTEES!!!!!!!!!!!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Right then, lets get ourselves up for this game guys and girls. It might not be Dundee but it just as important if not more so now..Three points is pretty much a must and the team will need us to get right behind them today just like last week. There does seem to be a little apathy towards this one which might come from some being a little nervous but we must be positive and get working on our PMA ( positive mental attitude:D) So come on you Saintees out there, lets here some noise and help the team to an important 3 points today....Now repeat after me ( as loud as you can)

COME ON YOU SAINTS....

CHAMPIONEES, CHAMPIONEES OHWAY OHWAY OHWAY..

[O'Rourke]

I think it's a game that will suit Moonwalk and he should stroll it, finding a lot of space in the County midfield. It would be nice to see him eclipse a star performance by scoring with a rocket.

[101 Saint]

I think it's a game that will suit Moonwalk and he should stroll it, finding a lot of space in the County midfield. It would be nice to see him eclipse a star performance by scoring with a rocket.

Brilliant:laugh:

[O'Rourke]

I think it's a game that will suit Moonwalk and he should stroll it, finding a lot of space in the County midfield. It would be nice to see him eclipse a star performance by scoring with a rocket.

I hope the atmosphere doesn't get to him! :laugh:

[soulfulsaint]

I think it's a game that will suit Moonwalk and he should stroll it, finding a lot of space in the County midfield. It would be nice to see him eclipse a star performance by scoring with a rocket.

I take it you want him to score a Moonraker

[WebbyDFC]

Good luck today lads I really hope you er.... get stuffed!! :laugh:

[101 Saint]

Good luck today lads I really hope you er.... get stuffed!! :laugh:

Coming to watch us?

[WebbyDFC]

Coming to watch us?

I think you have me mixed up with some Partick Thistle supporter.

[Scobby_SJFC]

I think you have me mixed up with some Partick Thistle supporter.

Your becoming a WAP addict!!

C'mon Saints we need a win today

[Harry Curran's Love child]

As per others, we are due someone a good humping......hopefully it is today. 3-0 saints, cmon....


I agree, been a while since we gave someone a good tanking. With the monkey off our back I think we will revert to the silky stuff. So for that reason I've taken Mr Hill up on his kind offer of 33/1 for 4-0 nil saints

Gulp!

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

I think it's a game that will suit Moonwalk and he should stroll it, finding a lot of space in the County midfield. It would be nice to see him eclipse a star performance by scoring with a rocket.

So your looking for a performance that's out of this world from one of our galaxy of stars. It would be nice to see the crowd set a light ( say that bit in a posh voice) universally. I hope your not talking through your anus though:wink:

[WebbyDFC]

So your looking for a performance that's out of this world from one of our galaxy of stars. It would be nice to see the crowd set a light ( say that bit in a posh voice) universally. I hope your not talking through your anus though:wink:

You'd know all about that. :wink:

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

You'd know all about that. :wink:

You might be right

As opposed to you knowing about taking up your anus:laugh:

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Moon starts, Barrett in for Savo, Sammy in midfield, Craig LB..Hardie on the bench

Time to go...COME ON YOU SAINTS

[O'Rourke]

I'd bet my house on the following starting side (for any County fans reading this, a house is like a caravan with no wheels).

Main

Irvine Dinky Caff and Byrne

Millar Moon Sheerin and Craig

Savo and Homer

subs: Sammy, Hardie, Ando, Barrett and McLean

I'd give Barrett a decent run (at least half an hour after his wee cameo last week)

Odd goal win, hopefully for the good guys.

house for sale

[O'Rourke]

I think Mr McInnes checks out all our suggested sides on here and then just goes and picks a side nobody chose!

Interesting selection and good to see Barrett getting his chance.

[SingaporeSaint]

Good to see Moonshine in the starting line up.

[Sainteesean]

wheres all the chat? couldnae make it to the game. mon the saints.

[Sainteesean]

Good to see Moonshine in the starting line up.

what time is it in singapore?

county just had a terrible miss they should have finished.

[SingaporeSaint]

11.15 pm

[Tarvie]

Come On the Saintees

[SingaporeSaint]

Welcome Calgary !

[Sainteesean]

anyone else worried about brewster? :\

[saint5588]

anyone else worried about brewster? :\

yeah sounds like he is the biggest threat

[SingaporeSaint]

its all very quiet

[Tarvie]

Welcome Calgary !

Thanks SS, good to see the Saintees around the world are logging in

[Indicator]

WHERE - are all the gaols ?

[Coltrane]

Anything happening?

[Tarvie]

WHERE - are all the gaols ?

At either end of the pitch?

Shame the strikers dont seem to know that

[Sainteesean]

Anything happening?

apparently we are very very poor.

so are county right enough.:shock:

[garydavidson]

livi just scored two in a minute!

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Ryan Stevenson popped up with a goal for Ayr

[SingaporeSaint]

Hi Coltrane, where about in the US ?

[phizzy007]

saintee in sydney here. Anything happening yet??

[Indicator]

apparently we are very very poor.

Well - maybe in the second half we'll buck trends?

[Indicator]

Livi scoring for fun these days. Right - unfortunately I'm away to work.

[Tarvie]

Hopefully Del will kick some asses at half time, sounds like we are very poor

[Scobby_SJFC]

Lack of goals is sounding familar!!!

[garydavidson]

Livi scoring for fun these days. Right - unfortunately I'm away to work.

yeah we have played them at good times so far in the league this season but next saturday may see us up against it!

[SingaporeSaint]

Sky sports live very slow today

[garydavidson]

Sky sports live very slow today

It just seems to have stopped.

[541ntees]

strange line up? we needed a lb, get 1 who has played ok, to get liam into the mid and what do we do?- put Byrne on the bench!

[Coltrane]

Hi Coltrane, where about in the US ?

Phoenix....nothing but blue skies....

[SingaporeSaint]

any updates

[541ntees]

It just seems to have stopped.

it won't bring up any goals at the moment since it is half-time:D

[O'Rourke]

"lacklustre, turgid, dull and uninspiring" according to Radio Scotland.

[541ntees]

Lack of goals is sounding familar!!!

At least Partick aren't taking advantage

[O'Rourke]

At least Partick aren't taking advantage

yet

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Sky sports live very slow today

Totally. it's frustrating the hell out of me

[garydavidson]

it won't bring up any goals at the moment since it is half-time:D

on my computer it has not changed anything from about 20 mins gone. The section at the bottom of the screen is working fine though.

[Sainteesean]

it won't bring up any goals at the moment since it is half-time:D

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Sainteesean]

st johnstone starting "slightly brighter"

and clyde doing well :)

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Are there any other score update sites?

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Livi 3-1 up now, bit of a worry

[Sheffield Saintie]

bbc.co.uk

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_div_1/live_scores/default.stm?refresh

[Sainteesean]

Livi 3-1 up now, bit of a worry

3-2

[Sainteesean]

partick 1 down. maxwell OG.

doing his old club a favour ;)

[saint5588]

partick 0-1 clyde

[Harry Curran's Love child]

totally unrelated to the game or saints but who is Zidane playing for these days?

[garydavidson]

mon the clyde - 1 nil v partick

[Harry Curran's Love child]

partick 1 down. maxwell OG.

doing his old club a favour ;)

Come on Saintees, these are the kind of breaks we need to take advantage of

[Scobby_SJFC]

Come on Saintees, these are the kind of breaks we need to take advantage of

Spot on, we must make PT pay

[Harry Curran's Love child]

4-2 livi, Griffiths again

[Scobby_SJFC]

3-4 now

[Sainteesean]

3-4 now

4-4

[saint5588]

4-4 now

[Scobby_SJFC]

what a game that is!!!

[Harry Curran's Love child]

what a game that is!!!

Yeah they've had enough goals for one day though, surely they could give us one!

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Jason Scotland just scored for Swansea. Oh what I would give to have him back today

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Final 5 mins
Come on saints give us a goal

[garydavidson]

pars are not making life easy for themselves just scored. 1-1 replay looking like it will be on the cards.

[O'Rourke]

"lacklustre, turgid, dull and uninspiring" according to Radio Scotland.

dire stuff although it sounds like we've had a couple of chances

[saint5588]

pars are not making life easy for themselves just scored. 1-1 replay looking like it will be on the cards.

means rearranged game at Perth will be moved, maybe a good thing.....

[california_saintee]

ft 0-0

[Coltrane]

Yawn......

[Flemski]

Great Results for Dundee!!!!!!!!!

[Harry Curran's Love child]

Poor result.

I know I'll probably get pelters as it could have been worse but we should really be beating teams like county if we hope to win this league and with results going our way AGAIN, we have failed to take advantage. Yes, we have moved a further 1 point away from Partick but games like these, especially at home have to be our way of taking all 3 points. Difficult to see where our next win will come from.

[silver_blue]

Poor result.

Difficult to see where our next win will come from.

It'll come at Broadwood on Tuesday. Clyde 1 Saints 2 :)

[Harry Curran's Love child]

It'll come at Broadwood on Tuesday. Clyde 1 Saints 2 :)

Hope so!

[mapleleaf]

I voiced my concern about Saints' lack of scoring a couple of weeks ago and was pooh-poohed for it. Well, i'm going to state my unease again.

It seems that the only time we score is when we go a goal or two down. That's not a positive sign.

I may be a voice in the dark, but I'm starting to worry!

Smudge

[sjfcsean]

One word to describe that.. SHOCKING.

[WebbyDFC]

Fantastic.

[Rodgers]

not good, not good at all


poor show

[Harry Curran's Love child]

One word to describe that.. SHOCKING.

were you at the game? I had to look after our little one so couldn't make it

[Peterheed Saint]

Another draw?surprise surprise...

[Jamie_Beatson]

We were comfortably the better team with County making no real attempt to win the game after about an hour. Brewster is a knob. What was the big penalty shout? Presumably a handball from a corner? I was in the Main Stand and didn't get a good view of it, but East Stand and most of the players looked pretty convinced.

We are very one dimensional I think. We have the players to cause teams problems but just rely on the big kick up to Holmes. To be fair, it worked not bad for a fair while today, and I felt Homer was linking really well with Barratt until he went off. But after that it just disappeared. The other big problem is that we cross from really deep, and they are always floated in - we never, ever get to the byline. Two of our best chances today came from really well played balls drilled in by Sheerin and Swankie. Both times a Saints player got free at the back post and knocked it down for a colleague, and both times we missed the chances - but they were infinitely more dangerous than the high floated balls that no-one could attack.

I would be tempted to leave Holmes out for the next game and start with Samuel and Barratt up front. Both of them looked lively, and it would force us to change the way we play.

[sjfcsean]

were you at the game? I had to look after our little one so couldn't make it

YES!!

Just curious ... when was the last time we scored a first half goal ?

[Rodgers]

Barratt should never of been taken off!

[Muggy]

We were comfortably the better team with County making no real attempt to win the game after about an hour. Brewster is a knob. What was the big penalty shout? Presumably a handball from a corner? I was in the Main Stand and didn't get a good view of it, but East Stand and most of the players looked pretty convinced.

We are very one dimensional I think. We have the players to cause teams problems but just rely on the big kick up to Holmes. To be fair, it worked not bad for a fair while today, and I felt Homer was linking really well with Barratt until he went off. But after that it just disappeared. The other big problem is that we cross from really deep, and they are always floated in - we never, ever get to the byline. Two of our best chances today came from really well played balls drilled in by Sheerin and Swankie. Both times a Saints player got free at the back post and knocked it down for a colleague, and both times we missed the chances - but they were infinitely more dangerous than the high floated balls that no-one could attack.

I would be tempted to leave Holmes out for the next game and start with Samuel and Barratt up front. Both of them looked lively, and it would force us to change the way we play.

According to the BBC reporter, Ross County were the better side in the first half, with Saint's edging the second.

It's unbelievable to think a team can be so poor as St. Johnstone and still extend their lead at the top. It's a good day for Dundee, but it will count for nothing if we don't win on Tuesday.

St. Johnstone are away on Tuesday, so it's a massive week in the league calendar.

[myDarlingBeefeater]

That was grim. I'd say we were better in the first half but only just. Pitch is still a problem. Ref had a howler. No shots on target from either side. No urgency about the side at all. Depressing stuff.
Have to agree with Mr Love Child, we should be beating Ross County at home. We can't rely on other results going our way forever.

Only relief came from County's gaffer being sent to the stands, refusing to go and being oxtered away by the fuzz.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Total ****ing dross. Nothing more nothing less. I'm saying sod all else on the subject:oops::mad::sad:

[Oldmuirton]

I've never come away from a match so angry and frustrated.
Until McInnes realises that Holmes is the problem, not the solution, I don't see us progressing.
So he wins balls in the air- so fn what? There is no end product, no goals. As long as he is playing, our only tactic is hit a high ball to Homer. Opposition teams haved sussed that out. It's easy to counter. And we don't seem able to raise the tempo either.
I don't think Homer is a terrible player but when all our tactics revolve around him, we not only play terrible football, we are hellish to watch. My blood boils watching punt after punt after punt up the park.
Please Derek- give him a rest and try to get the team playing football again. Football without goals is no fun at all.

[McCarry One Nil]

That was desperate : (

nothing more to say

[CynicalSaintee]

That was grim. I'd say we were better in the first half but only just. Pitch is still a problem. Ref had a howler. No shots on target from either side. No urgency about the side at all. Depressing stuff.
Have to agree with Mr Love Child, we should be beating Ross County at home. We can't rely on other results going our way forever.

Only relief came from County's gaffer being sent to the stands, refusing to go and being oxtered away by the fuzz.

Holmes had a good header on target, but it was easily saved.

Awful everything. Awful atmosphere, awful standard of play, awful referee, awful pitch, awful substitutions.

Why was our best performer taken off of the pitch? Why was Holmes left on but Barratt taken off? Why was Samuel played on the left and Craig on the right? Why wasn't Richie Byrne playing? Why did our attacking play, 9 times out of ten, consist of "punt up park, feed off Holmes. Wash, rinse, repeat"?

If Ian Maxwell and Johnny Tuffey hadn't ****ed Partick over, we'd be in panic city, by now.

Only hilarity came from that wanker's dive at the corner flag (possibly the worst I've seen this season), the referee falling on his arse (useless wanker), and Main pretending to run up the park for the free kick. We may be unbeatable, but we canny win or close out games to save ourselves.

[mapleleaf]

We were comfortably the better team

Then how come we could only get a scoreless draw?

Smudge

[MUZZ]

boring

[Scott Mc]

Another hour an a half of my life that I will never get back!
If you look up derek holmes in google the 1st hit is onedimensional.com! There are supertankers in this world which are faster and have a smaller turning circle. Yet DMc saw fit to replace someone who looked like they might score and keep holmes on...??
One or two players had one or two good moments but overall saints were an embarrassing shambles. Byrne who I thought had a decent game at left back last week was on the bench and craig demoted back to the lb spot, he holds his own but he is not half the player he can be as an attacking midfielder. However midfield is an irrelevant observation regards the current 'team'. The midfield seem to be just an annoyance you have to try and hoof the ball over to the opposition.
Mooner was the only outstanding player he really ran his guts out, but of course he got hooked, whilst sheerin who was a non-event, (plenty of commitment but not much substance or finesse), stayed on. Ruti had an ok game with only one or two 'moments' he at least looked solid an committed. Caff did the neccessary but not much more. Its no wonder Swankie's confidence is shot to sh*t he was getting abuse even as he ran back from warming up, he wasnt any great shakes when he came on but did at least put a couple of decent looking balls into the box. Swankie might pussy out of the occaisional tackle but Sammy gives up on a 50 / 50 ball when theres more than 20 yards to run and he doesnt get half the dogs that swankie does??
This was the 2nd worst saints game it has ever been my displeasure to witness.
The ref was poor and the pitch is in sh*tstate.
Sorry about the rant I just dont feel very rational regards saints at the moment!
I guess just how p*sh we are may be overshadowed by the fact that thistle have done us a favour... again! But I aint into winning this league by default, I gave up another Saturday afternoon in the slim hope that this time I might get entertained, what a bloody idiot!!

[101 Saint]

Why was Samuel played on the left and Craig on the right?

Please ask Del that question tonight!

[CynicalSaintee]

We were comfortably the better team with County making no real attempt to win the game after about an hour. Brewster is a knob. What was the big penalty shout? Presumably a handball from a corner? I was in the Main Stand and didn't get a good view of it, but East Stand and most of the players looked pretty convinced.

We are very one dimensional I think. We have the players to cause teams problems but just rely on the big kick up to Holmes. To be fair, it worked not bad for a fair while today, and I felt Homer was linking really well with Barratt until he went off. But after that it just disappeared. The other big problem is that we cross from really deep, and they are always floated in - we never, ever get to the byline. Two of our best chances today came from really well played balls drilled in by Sheerin and Swankie. Both times a Saints player got free at the back post and knocked it down for a colleague, and both times we missed the chances - but they were infinitely more dangerous than the high floated balls that no-one could attack.

I would be tempted to leave Holmes out for the next game and start with Samuel and Barratt up front. Both of them looked lively, and it would force us to change the way we play.

Agreed, for the most part. Savo and Barratt up front for me, though, with Samuel and Sheerin on the wings. Samuel's run and shot from about 30 yards in the first half was great, and one of the few good points of the day.

Craig Brewster is a scummy wanker.

[Dave H]

Bored stiff again for the second week running. very little in goal mouth action in game.

We appear to struggle to create chances which is my biggest worry.

I now have no idea who is going to score a goal, we are creating nothing and when we do get a half chance, it is simply that... I have no confidence in any of the forwards, that they will score goals!

Roll on next week, less said about the last two games the better. where can i get a refund, I feel short changed!

[CynicalSaintee]

Please ask Del that question tonight!

I would if I could - the dad's getting the brother from the Norwich Union, and I'm stuck in Bankfoot.

It's no coincidence Craig's been poor since he was switched from the left. We're no better than any team in this league, they're simply worse than we are.

[101 Saint]

Its no wonder Swankie's confidence is shot to sh*t he was getting abuse even as he ran back from warming up, he wasnt any great shakes when he came on but did at least put a couple of decent looking balls into the box. Swankie might pussy out of the occaisional tackle but Sammy gives up on a 50 / 50 ball when theres more than 20 yards to run and he doesnt get half the dogs that swankie does??

Duck for cover! ps I fully agree

[mad saints fan]

pure stinking rotten pish!!

we're gonna lose the league if we keep playing like this.

Holmes needs to be dropped NOW!! he was non existent in the 2nd half and Barratt should never have been subbed, he was the only striker who was actually working! him and Savo would have caused that defence so many problems cause they were set up for an aerial battle with Holmes.

Barratt made Holmes look good in the 1st half, Holmes' knock downs and headers were poor and Barratt had to make up considerable ground to be within a chance of making any contact with them.

We really REALLY can't keep losing points or Dundee and Dunfermline will be right there breathing right down our necks ready to take the lead if we keep on slipping up.

[101 Saint]

I would if I could - the dad's getting the brother from the Norwich Union, and I'm stuck in Bankfoot.

It's no coincidence Craig's been poor since he was switched to the left. We're no better than any team in this league, they're simply worse than we are.

Read what you intially posted....

[CynicalSaintee]

Read what you intially posted....

To = from.

[Radford 72]

Absolutely garbage and nowhere near the standard required if we want to win the league. If the opposition come to Perth and play well then sometimes we maybe just have to hold our hands up but the fact we were the better team and still terrible today is not good enough and there have to be serious concerns about our ability to go on an win the league. Forget the fact that Thistle let us off the hook today, our luck can only last so much longer.

No invention as a team and the problems stem from that rather than any individuals really. There is virtually no link up play between players and everything is so predictable. We are incredibly easy to play against. Of course, we still look solid and you can't say we didn't at least finish the match with an attacking side but their not a team at the moment.

[101 Saint]

Why was Samuel played on the left and Craig on the right?

I'm gonna whisper this, so naebody'll laugh at ye....

Craig played right midfield for the first 35 minutes last week and left full back for the whole game today.

If you don't believe me, ask Moon's cousin!!!!!

[CynicalSaintee]

I'm gonna whisper this, so naebody'll laugh at ye....

Craig played right midfield for the first 35 minutes last week and left full back for the whole game today.

If you don't believe me, ask Moon's cousin!!!!!

http://churchcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/facepalm_picard.jpg

:oops:

[Jamie_Beatson]

Then how come we could only get a scoreless draw?

Smudge

Being comfortably the better team does not necessarily translate into winning games. We played the better football and looked much more likely to score. But we were still miles and miles away from whow we could play

[101 Saint]

Forget the fact that Thistle let us off the hook today, our luck can only last so much longer.

I've heard that line since the Highlanders last visited Perth. We'll be okay. There are no good teams in the division.

[CynicalSaintee]

I've heard that line since the Highlanders last visited Perth. We'll be okay. There are no good teams in the division.

Hate to say it, but Dundee are damn well looking like it.

But then again, I can't tell left from right :laugh:

[101 Saint]

Hate to say it, but Dundee are damn well looking like it.

But then again, I can't tell left from right :laugh:

They were almost full strength against us and couldn't muster one shot on target and we were awful.

[CynicalSaintee]

They were almost full strength against us and couldn't muster one shot on target and we were awful.

They're getting more wins than we are, and they're closing the gap.

That said, a couple of injuries and they're out of it.

[faircityboy]

Same auld PISH!! why do we bother punting long baws up to homer?.OK he wins flick ons but not much happens after that.GET the baw on the deck.The pitch doesn't help either.Passing was PISH.Ref poor even sent Adams of after he was pushed onto the pitch by doc.

[MUZZ]

Brewster at the age of 42 had more class today than anyone in our team and he wasn't that good either. I think we'll blow it and become a laughing stock once again. Sorry for being negative but i think Dundee will go on to win the league now.

[soulfulsaint]

Back home after what was one of the most lack-lustre games in living memory. Remarkable that we actually gained ground today - it doesn't feel like it.

Apart from three high quality cross-field passes from Sheerin there was precious little football on show and I have to agree that the Route 1 to Homes was pedestrian.

Some players react to being dropped: so Millar, Holmes and perhaps more controversially Craig are contenders. Some clearly don't react to being dropped and among them are Swankie and Samuel. Both ineffective beyond belief.

Thought Barrett and Moon were lively, defence was solid, and Sheerin yet again a class above all of those around him. Another point won in dire circumstances.

[faircityboy]

Brewster at the age of 42 had more class today than anyone in our team and he wasn't that good either. I think we'll blow it and become a laughing stock once again. Sorry for being negative but i think Dundee will go on to win the league now.

You might be right about that.

[Peterheed Saint]

Sorry for being negative but i think Dundee will go on to win the league now.

Pains me to say it but I think you might be right.Heres hoping we're both wrong :?

[HertsSaintee]

F*****g BOOOOO!!!

Nothing to add to what's already been said about the lethargic, predictable, one dimensional team we've become recently.

The only certainty about today is that starting on Tuesday our game plan MUST change. We have played every team in this league 3 times now bar Clyde who we visit on Tuesday. Each time we play them, even before we turn up at the opposition's ground, they know how they are going to have to line up defensively against us. Simply pack the defence, get as many defenders round Homer as possible and close down any threat from a runner as quick as poss. Makes it very difficult for us to score a goal. The manager must, for the last quarter, change the record and go out and surprise the opposition by playing two runners and have the team play the ball on the ground with no long, aimless punt in sight (please, god). Come on Del, you know it works - our best play today and also last week was when we did just that. Also we need to get some serious energy and forward momentum in the players for Tuesday. Double bananas all round I think. Apart from that, although nobody was a stand out, I thought Barratt looked useful in the first half. Moon had a semi decent game as well. Sammy looked a threat but we didn't really make use of him being there.

[templeofsaints]

Poor performance - no one willing to take responsibility on the park. Midfield was too easily crowded out and seemed to take an age on the ball - never mind sitting far too deep.

Holmes is becoming a weak link up front. We play all our balls to him but he rarely links with another Saints player and his lack of movement means any real attacks are usually one short.

Pluses: Defence was OK, Mooner had a good game and Barrett seemed sharp. There were flashes that we can play well but right now the players look like they're struggling to handle the pressure of having to win games (See Ruti's outburst at the end - WTF was that about?).

Del needs to put a few rockets up arses ahead of the trip to Broadwood. We're drawing ourselves into a corner and now we've put pressure on ourselves so that anything less than three points will not do.

[soulfulsaint]

F*****g BOOOOO!!!

Starting on Tuesday our game plan MUST change. We have played every team in this league 3 times now bar Clyde who we visit on Tuesday. Each time we play them, even before we turn up at the opposition's ground, they know how they are going to have to line up defensively against us. Simply pack the defence, get as many defenders round Homer as possible and close down any threat from a runner as quick as poss. Makes it very difficult for us to score a goal. The manager must, for the last quarter, change the record and go out and surprise the opposition by playing two runners and have the team play the ball on the ground with no long, aimless punt in sight (please, god).

Hear Hear.

[ancientsaint]

I dont think we have seen Sammy at half his best yet,,,,,doesnt get involved enough for me and doesnt look interested at times.......he has more potential than he is displaying....big disappointment so far.

[Brian Potter]

I dont think we have seen Sammy at half his best yet,,,,,doesnt get involved enough for me and doesnt look interested at times.......he has more potential than he is displaying....big disappointment so far.

Samuel looked like he really didn't want to be there today, his body language was a real giveaway, hands on hips, not interested! A couple of flashes but I expect more of him!

Giving him the benefit of the doubt there was a couple of times he tried to dribble down the wing and the ball was bobbling all over the place!

[Linlithgow Saint]

We're solid, so that is a positive.

But goals win games and Holmes has to be dropped, to allow the midfield and front pair to link up better. It's all hopeful stuff and has gone on for weeks. Barrett or Milne with Sammy in attack, Craig, Sheerin, Hardie and Millar in behind.

And why the heck do we sign a left back and yet again not play him? It's becoming an absolute joke. Surely come March we would still not b talking about Goran Stanic... but yes, we still are.

Draws will not win us this league, we know from past experience how damaging they can be. We are giving our rivals all the incentive they need when this league should be over.

Three points at Clyde required. Remember the battling 1-0 win there during the Gretna chase. Same again, it's time for warriors.

[MUZZ]

. Same again, it's time for warriors.

the transfer window has shut mate. sorry.

[lampshade]

the effort i have put in to get to that game today,and watch that shit i am so angry,and i dropped my bloody pie come on saints get the bloody finger out.

[Chansey]

No invention as a team and the problems stem from that rather than any individuals really. There is virtually no link up play between players and everything is so predictable. We are incredibly easy to play against. Of course, we still look solid and you can't say we didn't at least finish the match with an attacking side but their not a team at the moment.

Absolutley spot on, we were so predicatble today. With the exception of Sammy in the first half, no-one attempted to run at the opposition, apparently a cross from 35 yards out is a better option......i for one can't comprehend this.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

the effort i have put in to get to that game today,and watch that shit i am so angry,and i dropped my bloody pie come on saints get the bloody finger out.

what was worse the £17 to get in or the loss of your pie :):)

[StDuncM]

Like SS says it is a point won in dire circumstances and we enhance our lead. Obviously I did not witness the performance but we are still up there where it matters and we will strengthen in the SPL.

We will get better.

[myDarlingBeefeater]

Cynical Saintee - I forgot about Homer's header. Quite how I forgot the only exiting bit of the game I don't know!

Going forward to Clyde & beyond - what HertsSaintee said. Time for positive action.

As for Samuel, I couldn't believe my eyes when he went on a wee mazie run & shot (well wide). Apart from that he's no use to this club's title challenge IMO.

Wasn't gonna go to Clyde but I think I might now. Saints will need our support after that dirge.

[soulfulsaint]

We're solid, so that is a positive.

Three points at Clyde required. Remember the battling 1-0 win there during the Gretna chase. Same again, it's time for warriors.

Yes if Martin Hardie plays as well as he did that night and Willie McLaren is as bad then we should get the three points.

[saintee4life]

Please ask Del that question tonight!
unless am blind but i couldve swore craig was on the left all day
:rolleyes:

[MUZZ]

Yes if Martin Hardie plays as well as he did that night and Willie McLaren is as bad then we should get the three points.

shame that hardie is a washed up, past his sell by date shitebag now and the other mentioned player is playing some great football. i know who i'd rather have in my team.

[THE REBEL SAINT]

unless am blind but i couldve swore craig was on the left all day
:rolleyes:

i he was from where i was sitting

[saintee4life]

homer barely won a header all game their number 6 totally dominated him, time for a change and if sammy plays it has to be through the middle not wide.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Poor performance - no one willing to take responsibility on the park. Midfield was too easily crowded out and seemed to take an age on the ball - never mind sitting far too deep.

Holmes is becoming a weak link up front. We play all our balls to him but he rarely links with another Saints player and his lack of movement means any real attacks are usually one short.

Pluses: Defence was OK, Mooner had a good game and Barrett seemed sharp. There were flashes that we can play well but right now the players look like they're struggling to handle the pressure of having to win games (See Ruti's outburst at the end - WTF was that about?).
Del needs to put a few rockets up arses ahead of the trip to Broadwood. We're drawing ourselves into a corner and now we've put pressure on ourselves so that anything less than three points will not do.

He got pissed at the Posties brief summary of the game. A very vocal call of " That was ****ing garbage, just ****ing garbage" He seemed to want to come up and talk to Ian about it, but in a pub brawl style, was held back..I'm not sure exactly what part of Ians summary he disagreed with...He's the captain, he needs to work on a solution, not get involved with disgruntled fans who are clearly only telling it like it is...

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

the effort i have put in to get to that game today,and watch that shit i am so angry,and i dropped my bloody pie come on saints get the bloody finger out.

Is that the pie dropping incident I witnessed????

[Cagey]

It`s all been said.
One dimentional.Punt Holmes .Left back situation . Midfield bypassed . Lack of imagination.No pace in the team etc etc .

I have stayed out of the Holmes debate as I thought he wasn`t too bad but the fact that he is there encourages everyone to punt the ball in his direction.

We played really well in the first half against Rangers with Holmes in the team so they can play without the continual punt.

The game itself was poor with no one getting pass marks. Craig was poor. Why was he at left back when we brought someone in for that position. Was it because Liam was poor in midfield & del thought he was now in defensive mod & would play better at left back or was it to make way for Sheerin or Samual.

Barrett did ok but has to get studs in his boots.

Ruti`s long punts were overhit all day.

Finally. We would not be top of the league & everyone would be calling for Del to go if it wasn`t that there was nobody in this league good enough to go up to the SPL.

[Carse of Gowrie Saint]

Another abysmal display!

Pass marks to Main, Ruti, Caff, Moon And Barratt.

Craig - Looks heavy and unfit, needs to lose a stone.
Irvine- Doesn't get on the ball enough and direct play down the flanks.
Millar - Not good enough
Sheerin - Must have a sore neck watching the ball getting launched every two minutes
Samuel- Good in flashes, looked uninterested for the majority of the game
Holmes- Looks like he is towing a caravan!
Milne - We have given him another years contract. Why?

We play with 9 behind the ball and a 40 yard gap between midfield and the front two against a team that come here playing for a draw. We should have taken Holmes off so he could watch Brewster and learn how to bring a ball down and lay it off.

We must improve the level of performance / entertainment. This is NOT good enough!!

[saintee4life]

Another abysmal display!

Pass marks to Main, Ruti, Caff, Moon And Barratt.

Craig - Looks heavy and unfit, needs to lose a stone.
Irvine- Doesn't get on the ball enough and direct play down the flanks.
Millar - Not good enough
Sheerin - Must have a sore neck watching the ball getting launched every two minutes
Samuel- Good in flashes, looked uninterested for the majority of the game
Holmes- Looks like he is towing a caravan!
Milne - We have given him another years contract. Why?

We play with 9 behind the ball and a 40 yard gap between midfield and the front two against a team that come here playing for a draw. We should have taken Holmes off so he could watch Brewster and learn how to bring a ball down and lay it off.

We must improve the level of performance / entertainment. This is NOT good enough!!absolutely spot on

[101 Saint]

Another abysmal display!
Craig - Looks heavy and unfit, needs to lose a stone.

From where? His hair, his wet t-shirt? Michty me, if he needs to lose weight we're all fat wankers!

[Carse of Gowrie Saint]

From where? His hair, his wet t-shirt? Michty me, if he needs to lose weight we're all fat wankers!

He had the same problem at Falkirk, he was given extra sessions to try and lose the extra weight.

Against Dundee he struggled to get up and down the left hand side and offered nothing coming forward from full back today.

He is a good player but if he wants to play at a higher level he has to lose some weight.

[101 Saint]

Trust me, he does not need to lose weight. He arguably has a stamina issue but that's nowt to do with weight.

[Perth-Saint]

Solid at the back but no creativity up the front. Barrett and Moon looked good.

Simply that wasn't good enough. Must do so much better. Teams play for a draw with us and we can't seem to break them down.

Got to win games not draw.

As for that arse Adams in the County dugout. wtf?

[Mike180279]

Finally got the will power to switch the laptop on. For the first time since our last defeat a little bit of doubt has crept into my mind about our destiny for this season. We must change, and change now.

I didnt think we should of went with Homer today, I am now asbsolutely certain he should not play from the start against clyde. His workrate is good, and if we used him correctly could be an asset but this punt up the park is not saints, it doesnt suit the players that we have. Its utter shite! Boring to watch, and very rarely an end product. Leave that garbage to your Mortons of the league.

I thought Sammy was ok today, taken a bit of flack but he looked lively in patches. The ball on the deck would suit him and we would see more for him if we are playing this way. Moon was OK, Caff was OK (see his cross from the left wing - who the F needs swankie!), Barrett was very lively we lost a lot when he went off. Ruti didnt have as good a game as he has done recently but still pass marks. Savo OK when he came on. Generally I dont think anybody did much wrong today, just the way we are playing games would be more suited to a relegation dogfight than a championship push!

Why was Byrne on the Bench? Craig in midfield for gods sake, or as has been suggested, give him a reality check and let him watch one from the bench.

Good Cross in from Swankie but not really much involvement.

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[THE REBEL SAINT]

total fuc*** crap

[Saint.Justin]

We should have this league wrapped up and about 15 points clear now!!
Its beginning to get to me now!
Im sure draw after draw isnt going to win us this league ...
This is when we need to take our chances!!:shock:



Only positive thing for me was i served swankie in dominos tonight..
He looked well pissed off!

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[R.B.B:- Adz]

Sammy looked a threat but we didn't really make use of him being there.


Couldnt agree more mate! Also noticed Hardie added an urgency when he came on!!

[ShakespeareBar]

Saints are struggling at the wrong time, they have had their fun and Dundee are starting to warm up now. Our injuries are clearing up as well .

[soulfulsaint]

Saints are struggling at the wrong time, they have had their fun and Dundee are starting to warm up now. Our injuries are clearing up as well .

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another couple of wins and you'll be clear of relegation at last.

[el doro]

Anyone clock the guy at the North end of the East stand giving Rusty a barage of abuse at full time? Rusty started giving it back, reminded me of that terrible night at Livi earlier this season.

[CynicalSaintee]

Of all our players, Rusty is certainly the one least deserving of abuse. Fair play to the guy, showing exactly what he thought of it.

Craig again invisible (at LB, not on the right, contrary to my earlier ramblings :oops:). Ridiculous to get a LB on loan, and then not even bloody play him. Moon taken off, again, for no apparent reason other than he actually tried to play the ball on the deck, tackle players, and show some attacking mindedness, all of which don't seem to be enough for one of our midfielders :roll: Samuel was hot and cold, fantastic run in the first half, lethargic for large periods of the rest of the game. Sheerin one of the few players who attempted to keep the ball down, and it would then swiftly be wasted with a poor pass, attempt of a shot or aimless cross. Barratt was taken off for no good reason I could see, and the ref was awful. It actually looked like Swankie was about to do something we'd been waiting for, when he knocked the ball past one of their players and chased after it, only to be barged to the ground. The County players' attitude, as well as their manager's, was abysmal. Diving everywhere, fouling and getting away with it, then Derek Adams running out of his box to play ball-boy.

Not good enough.

[blueheaven]

I've not had time to read the entire thread, but I thought Saints were absolutely awful yesterday and I don't think a neutral observer would ever have realised that one of the teams playing yesterday was top of the league and apparently on course for promotion to the top flight. I don't think I've ever heard of a team being top of their league in March yet playing so poorly, with no real stand out players, no creative spark, no particular shape or apparent game plan, no strikers who look like scoring or no general confidence or spring in the step. The difference between the current side and our past First Division-winning teams of the late 80s and late 90s is like night and day. Could we end up being one of the poorest teams ever to win their league? I don't like to be too scathing because I don't get to see every Saints game these days, but from what I've seen of us this season I think that could well be the case.

The main positive about us at the moment appears to be not from within our own camp, but from the fact that the entire league is so poor that nobody looks like catching us. Why has the First Division become such an awful league?

I thought everything about our shape yesterday was wrong - and I'd really love to know why Peaso isn't getting a sniff of first team action this season, because he's a far better player than a lot of the guys we've got struggling through matches every time I watch us. Part of me dreads what will happen to some of these players if they make it to the SPL, but then I also think that perhaps it's not much better up there, as teams like Hamilton appear to have hardly strengthened at all yet are doing okay. I really think, though, that no matter where we finish at the end of this season there are quite a few players in the team at the moment who just aren't good enough to be at Saints.

I also have to say though that I thought some of the stuff coming from the fans around me was truly embarrassing. A group of blokes to the right of me at the scoreboard end seemed more interested in watching the Ross County manager and attempting to be heard by him than paying attention to/encouraging our own players, and there were some guys behind me trying to start chants of "we're shite and we know we are" towards the end of the game. To me that's really poor behaviour and I think we all (I include myself in that) need to be more encouraging.

On the plus side, I thought Barratt looked like he could be quite good for us, and Hardie looked like a bit of sharpness might perhaps be returning. Sheerin still shows some flashes of the old wizard's magic, and Kevin Moon always looks promising. We also seem to be decent at the back, if we can just get a settled left-back in place. I reckon it's time to abandon the traditional approach to finding players, and see if we can't get some Goran Stanic DNA and try to build a new left-back of our own.:neutral:

[Oldmuirton]

What puzzles me is that most contributors on this site complain that we are one dimensional. High ball to Homer and thats yer lot. Why can everyone else except Derek McInnes see it? Or does he not care? Does he think we can/should win the league ugly??

Our football at present is boring, unattractive , toothless and will not win us the league.
I agree its better to win ugly than lose but 3 goals in our last 6 home games- thats not even winning ugly. And anyway I don't subscribe to the view that this league can ONLY be won that way.
We have the players who are capable of winning this league in style. Come on Del- get them playing football again and we can still run away with it.

[Saintly Child]

Just decided to read up on yesterdays disaster.
That totally spoilt my week, we lacked anything of any substance.

Think that game cost us the title yesterday.

[dunblanemike]

Just decided to read up on yesterdays disaster.
That totally spoilt my week, we lacked anything of any substance.

Think that game cost us the title yesterday.
?????wtf????
the last time I looked at the table we were 4 points clear and even if teams won their games in hand we would still be 4 points clear!
It seems to me the fans are losing their bottle much more than can be said of the team. We have hit the inevitable sticky patch are yet are still grinding out points. Any other team's supporters would rather be in our position just now. Go on, look on the bright side.

[ryangordon86]

I think it is definitely time to mix things up a little, we seem to be one trick ponies at the minute and it doesn't take a genius in the opposition dugout to stop us from playing. Come on Del, show us what you're made of.

[saintj]

why are people having a pop at sammy? he was absolutely knackered and didnt look fit to be playing.

mcinnes needs to get his act together, its his bloody team and he needs to sort it now, everyf**kin time its a punt. punt after f**kin punt, the way this team has been performing is completely unacceptable

i couldnt give a monkeys toss about 21 unbeaten if we are playing absolute mince that 10 years can do, and if we cannot win

the fact we are still top is unbelievable, god knows how mcinnes has got us in this position, it wouldnt surprise me if the gap was further closed on tuesday

[Harry Curran's Love child]

?????wtf????
the last time I looked at the table we were 4 points clear and even if teams won their games in hand we would still be 4 points clear!
It seems to me the fans are losing their bottle much more than can be said of the team. We have hit the inevitable sticky patch are yet are still grinding out points. Any other team's supporters would rather be in our position just now. Go on, look on the bright side.

I agree most teams would rather be in our position and on paper we have a great advantage but I think the general opinion (see most of the posts after the game) is that our recent performances have been worrying to say the least. All it would need is for a team, from the 4 on our tail, to put a 3 or 4 game winning streak together and for us to play the way we have been doing and we could be in trouble. I'm still very hopefull we can do it but I just worry about our lack of goals and overall performance levels of late.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Anyone clock the guy at the North end of the East stand giving Rusty a barage of abuse at full time? Rusty started giving it back, reminded me of that terrible night at Livi earlier this season.

He wasn't giving Rusty a barrage of abuse....He WAS giving the entire team a barrage of abuse by telling them he thought that their performance on the day was appaling. Rusty (being captain) I suspect, took it personally. As captain I would hope HE would be more concerned with his team mates performances rather than the opinions of a disgruntled supporter who as it happen I tended to agree with at the time

The Livingston incident was completely different as I WAS shouting only at MMM..

[templeofsaints]

He wasn't giving Rusty a barrage of abuse....He WAS giving the entire team a barrage of abuse by telling them he thought that their performance on the day was appaling. Rusty (being captain) I suspect, took it personally. As captain I would hope HE would be more concerned with his team mates performances rather than the opinions of a disgruntled supporter who as it happen I tended to agree with at the time

The Livingston incident was completely different as I WAS shouting only at MMM..

Didn't hear what was shouted at the end but saw Rusty's reaction and IMHO it seemed totally out of character. At the time I wondered if there had been some personal abuse aimed at him but more and more I think it was simply an emotional reaction at the frustration over the draw. The real worry though is if it's a sign that the pressure is getting to the players - if that's the case we have got problems.

[Dave H]

I wonder what our score v the Rosshire men might of been if Ross County v Dunfermline had been played midweek................................... ...................................... .................................................. ...................... ................................

[SlickDT]

Until we get the punting up the park routine sorted, our game isn't going to get any better.

Rusty, who has been fanstastic this season, is particularly guilty of it. Seems to me he's determined to keep a solid defence and take no risks, thus when he gets the chance the balls cleared from our area- pronto up the park.

I want to see more from Sheerin when he's in the middle- he has the ability- so get hold of the ball and control the game wizard.

I'm glad to see Rusty shouting back at the guy- he's puts everything into each game for St Johnstone and is the leader for our team- publicly he should ALWAYS defend his fellow players and lead from the front (as he is doing!). In the changing room it's different- McInnes needs to get the lads playing nice football- similair to the stuff we did against Rangers- we can do it- now it's time to do it!

[saintee4life]

The problem lies in the wide areas o midfield,not once do they take their man on and whip decent crosses in fae the bye line. its turn back tae the full-back then a punt fae deep that homer can do feck all with

[john1962]

I'm glad to see Rusty shouting back at the guy- he's puts everything into each game for St Johnstone and is the leader for our team- publicly he should ALWAYS defend his fellow players and lead from the front (as he is doing!).

Well he has confused the hell out of me in the Telegraph. He says they are giving 100% then says if County had scored Saints would have come back and won. How would they have managed that if they were already givig 100%? Surely if they could have come back from one down then logically they should have been able to win 2-0?

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2009/03/09/story12748993t0.shtm

[saintj]

Well he has confused the hell out of me in the Telegraph. He says they are giving 100% then says if County had scored Saints would have come back and won. How would they have managed that if they were already givig 100%? Surely if they could have come back from one down then logically they should have been able to win 2-0?

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2009/03/09/story12748993t0.shtm

you can be giving 100% but it just isnt happening then something changes and the team plays more like a team and a result comes from it

[Mike180279]

you can be giving 100% but it just isnt happening then something changes and the team plays more like a team and a result comes from itSurely in that case if they know what changes are needed then they should do this before they go behind? Doesnt make sense to me either unless they have been told not to concede.

[Peterheed Saint]

If they had scored we'd have come back and won?What a load of b****cks!Thats basically saying well as long as we're not behind we're happy to sit back and take the draw instead of pushing for the win.I've a lot of respect for the guy but if that's honestly the teams mentality then we're in a bad way.

[saintj]

Surely in that case if they know what changes are needed then they should do this before they go behind? Doesnt make sense to me either unless they have been told not to concede.

i dont know, perhaps it is a psycological thing? dundee came from behind a hell of a lot last season or the season before

perhaps going a goal down brings the team closer together on the pitch

[Mike180279]

i dont know, perhaps it is a psycological thing? dundee came from behind a hell of a lot last season or the season before

perhaps going a goal down brings the team closer together on the pitchIn that case then its easy, we hire Paul McKenna. Let the players believe we are 1-0 down when they come onto the pitch, have the scoreboard set at 1-0 too. Piece of cake, 10 points clear by the end of the season. :laugh:

[Peterheed Saint]

In that case then its easy, we hire Paul McKenna. Let the players believe we are 1-0 down when they come onto the pitch, have the scoreboard set at 1-0 too. Piece of cake, 10 points clear by the end of the season. :laugh:

Right now I'm about willing to try anything so aye lets get him in :laugh:

[john1962]

If they had scored we'd have come back and won?What a load of b****cks!Thats basically saying well as long as we're not behind we're happy to sit back and take the draw instead of pushing for the win.I've a lot of respect for the guy but if that's honestly the teams mentality then we're in a bad way.

I have to agree. Makes me wonder if they think that maintaining the unbeaten record in itself will be enough to win the league.