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  1. 10 points
    I'd imagine it's after you ignoring the various good points made by Mainstand to have a dig at his grammar/spelling. Why anyone would expect any better of you is beyond me! Since you started this thread you've taken every possible opportunity to rile against the board and anyone who makes a point that doesn't fit in your Steve Brown=bad paradigm. On a personal level, do you not think you should take a step back and reflect on the amour of bile you're spewing and look at where it comes from? Do you genuinely feel all this negativity or is there some under lying cause? Do you know Steve Brown? Was he mean to you in a previous life? Are you challenging the patriarchal/nepotistic society that we live in, by challenging one family business at a time? Some on here have said they agree with many of the points you have made, and there really won't be anyone on here that doesn't think the club can't be better run in some way, but your dislike for the situation seems to be so much more personal than others. I (and many others) see this period as the club restructuring towards a different business model. A business model that has proved successful elsewhere (United for a very recent obvious example). It's been said by others but "all Scottish football clubs are selling clubs", when was the last time saints sold a player for money? Momo Sylla? Unless I've missed news and May has gone overnight? If there has really been a down turn in the non football income as has been reported, then the club needs to make more money from football income while also reducing costs. One of the main costs that saints has is the renting of the University of Stirling facilities, the club has had a windfall and has decided to reinvest this money into the infrastructure and the youth team. In football you can create new assets with good training/coaching and youth development. The amount of money that a "Goodwillie" or similar calibre of player would have been on would be comparable to what? Maybe 5-7 youth players? One of whom could go on to be the next Stevie May, Callum Davidson or Ally McCoist and bring serious money into the club. Players like Goodwillie(or similar) aren't necessarily going to bring in much money in future. Even if they do the club would have 1-2 major assets, where as investment in the youth facilities creates far from limited possibilities. As the ancient Chinese proverb says: "Give a football club an experienced slightly tainted talented footballer and they'll maybe get rewards for a season or two; but give a football club a well funded youth set up and training facility and they can create their own slightly tainted talented footballers for life". I've said elsewhere that I agree the club could market it's self much better, although for non fans saints have been seen as being quite active on social media and traditional meet and greet style events this summer, taking the cup to various fetes and Perth Show etc. The club is never going to give enough information to sate the desires of the hardcore or the football nerds (like me that would love to see an FM style spreadsheet with breakdown of every cost, contract etc), but they could be more PR friendly, a weekly or fortnightly memo to the press or even just an update on the official site would maybe even be enough, but during pre season this would possibly be really dry anyway. I also agree that May and TW should have been signed up on better contracts by now but there seems to have been plenty of personal issues that have got in the way over the last few weeks/months and the club deserve some slack on this issue.
  2. 6 points
    Plastered

    Stevie May

    Selling May to anybody under £M1 will show a complete lack of ambition. I don't mean ambition for the team, rather the ability to make serious money. Going to Rotherham now will be particularly short sighted, both for May and the club. I fully understand the need for financial stability and applaud that, but the chairman needs to employ a bit of cunning and forward thinking. I know that Brown Senior has said that he will not interfere with Brown Junior, but perhaps this is the time for some wise words. I also fully understand that the Chairman job is to make tough decisions and not to try to win a popularity contest, but selling the club short for a quick buck is not the way to go. Many die-hard supporters who understand the need for good finances will be mighty p!ssed off and rightly so. So SB, you risk losing the goodwill and support of many core supporters with the wrong decision, and all the goodwill brought about by Brown family over many years could easily vanish. Balls this one up, and you are in big doo-doos.
  3. 5 points
    Inchcolm

    Let Us Remember Them

    Today is the anniversary of us entering World War I let us take time to remember our players who went off to do their duty and never came back John Cameron St Johnstone Alexander Halkett, Dundee, Aberdeen, St Johnstone Thomas Alexander Jackson, St Mirren, St Johnstone (Scottish International) William MacPherson St Johnstone David McWalter, St Johnstone Herbert Murray, Clyde, Aberdeen, Queen’s Park, St Johnstone, Motherwell Bertram Sampson, St Johnstone Charles Scott, Rangers, St Johnstone They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, We will remember them. If I have missed anyone please add them to the list
  4. 4 points
    slf

    Saints Book Now On Sale

    The book is dynamite.first class braw. Ye should get a free box of tissues to wipe away the tears. Well done on compiling a professionally done and easy to read book. I recommend this book it goes all the way up to the lucerne game. Thanks again . It's a belter .saints fans buy it on sight. Braw
  5. 4 points
    The threats were/are unnacceptable. I very much have a gut instinct though, that if Andy5565 had ended up in Perth, there is more likeliness he would have bought Kojak a pint rather than slapping his baldy heid As previous, there is no real crticism to the mods (especially Jamie) who have a tough job of protecting the majority and definately were put in a position to make a tough decision. The mod "Kyle" who said he banned Andy "because he can do what he wants to" - well what a man you are. Bravo ! An apology by Andy5565 and a promise of continuous good behaviour might be considered if people actually believe this site is more than a "football forum" and has a soul. Empathy is a good quality in people and a quality that the vast majority of posters that are on WAP have I'm sure. Please consider this.
  6. 3 points
    belfastsaintee

    Stevie May

    yeah its not the 1990s.... all the daft money has gone from England I mean in 2014 its not like Dundee Utd - the team we beat in the cup final and basically matched in the league last year are selling Gauld for £3m with a 60m euro buy out clause... Or look at Robertson , 4 times they turned down offers from Hull and eventually they sold him for £3 million after Hull came back a 5th time... Dundee Utd had to do some serious work to avoid the banks forcing a sale the previous January to Everton for £700k. The difference here is they had their players signed up and said NO till the offer was too good to say no to. We appear to be begging for a team to come in and offer £800k when we should be signing up May and selling him in a year or 18 months when an offer comes in which is too good for the club and/or May to refuse. But nah you would never get an offer of 7 figures for May from a championship club when championship clubs are trading in players like Ross McCormack for £11m eh...... When Celtic are selling Watt ( 18 goals since 2010 ) for £1.2m .... Nah May is not worth 7 figures .... the price of a small apartment in London ffs !!
  7. 3 points
    Aitchy

    Player contracts and transfers

    Brown was going to punt him before Thursday, but, his spokesman aka Ghostie withdrew his services, so that freed up an extra four seats on the flight.
  8. 3 points
    ScottMann

    Stevie May

    What is best for Saints is at least another year's extension, Kane put out on loan to a Championship club for next season, an experienced striker brought in to cover Kanes place for a year, Stevie gets sold this time next year and kane is ready to immediately take his place. It obviously won't happen though.
  9. 3 points
    AthensSaint

    We Are All Andy5565!

    Mr Rhodes, I genuinely would like to say that some of the issues that have happened to Andy5565, I hope never happen to your family or people close to that you care about.
  10. 2 points
    Wendy Saints

    Saints Book Now On Sale

    Indeed Sir or Madam I do In total awe of 'Sleepless' he is the kind of fan that makes our club tick... Look forward to reading your quotes ... My point was/ is..it's one thing to comment behind the cover of 'nickname' however I agreed to 'Sleepless' using my name. You will agree that following our team is an emotional business & I shared some 'emotions' which for me is a big thing! That's why I feel nervous no other reason⚽
  11. 2 points
    belfastsaintee

    Stevie May

    May seems a genuinely cracking lad. If Saints are offering May a sh1t deal i would rather he bangs in another 25+ goals and goes to a top English Championship team like a Wigan or Derby etc and Saints only get a development fee than we try and push him out the door to Rotherham ( who after Blackpool are the bookies favourites to get relegated ). that will be our own fault for not signing him up. why can they not see that giving him the best deal a Saints player has ever had will pay dividends when we a) get to keep him and b ) when the day comes in 6/12/18 etc months we sell him for far more $$$$ . Mind you with SB 'no you cant sign anyone' strategy i am not sure who's gonna provide the balls thru to May for goals when injuries strike! I'd be wondering if this team will provide the 27 goals like last years.....Then the fact neither SM or TW are signed up tells me the problem is with Saints... After the cup final I heard TW was selling his house in Ballyclare to move over permanently and now 3 months later no contract is signed??? why not budget to go debt a LITTLE this season as its likely things will improve as Gers , Hibs , Hearts come back up over the next couple of seasons. Saints do not have to balance the books every season just over the course of time keep things balanced... +200k - 300k + 100k -150k +150k = balanced books hey maybe they might even sack Cockwomble and find some league and cup sponsors !!! And who knows with May you might of got more cup runs or god forbid had you let him play on Thursday the Europa league stages and 1m+ from that !!!
  12. 2 points
    Here's how it's done Broon Http://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/article/statement-from-the-chairman-050814-1805076.aspx
  13. 2 points
    Ginger Bakers rebel army

    Stevie May

    Saints wanted Stevie to extend his contract. Stevie wanted to sign on for another year. Stevies agent entered negotiations and asked for more money. SBrown has dug his heels in and said no to the agents demands. SB has offered a contract extension but on almost identical terms to his current deal. Stevie has said no as TW has said in the press SM has refused to sign his contract extension. I am convinced SM was not being greedy but SB played hardball. Stevies agent will be on between 5 and 10 % of the transfer fee. The agent stands to make a lot of money when Stevie goes. I believe he was and still is happy to stay but his agent will be pushing for a big pay day. It is difficult to criticise SB as none of us know exactly what is going on in what will be an ongoing discussion. SB going live on the official site was purely to see if anyone elsr is interested. All we can do is wait and see what happens. If SB gets the money he wants Stevie will be on his way. He is a young lad who has played a big part in a great team who have given us our best ever season ever. SB will be doing what he thinks is best for saints but I think he has failed miserably in not getting the contract extension agreed. SB needs to do a lot more to keep the support on side as his current PR skills are sadly lacking. I would love to see Stevie hear for another year but I suspect that will not happen.
  14. 2 points
    essexsaint

    Stevie May

    Of course we can play hardball....we have a player who allegedly wants to stay with us......he is in contract...we are still in Europe....surely we are in the driving seat on this? Why settle for under a million? I'll be well pissed off if he goes but mega pissed off if he goes to bloody Rotherham.
  15. 2 points
    What bothers me is the club could come across so much better if handled slightly better . Take the May situation , we have made a profit in the last year , have plenty money in the bank yet we are coming across as being skint , thus effecting what people think we would take for May . It looks from outside looking in that Stevie Brown isn't clever or in fact a half decent businessman . I do know people who work at Saints who say all is not well (not playing staff) but they still work there and haven't left so it can't be that bad . Good/bad PR can make or lose you money , seems Saints want to lose money . Some of BBDs points are valid but then he would just go over the score making himself look like that mad bunny boiler ex we've all had .
  16. 2 points
    He had 2 targeted for before August . Means diddly squat if SB wants new carpets .
  17. 2 points
    rik2304

    Stevie May

    Brown is desperate to sell him. Bet he was shitting himself when May was making noises about staying.
  18. 2 points
    Ali91

    Stevie May

    It's not as if we have cash flow problems and need the money urgently, an extension and another great season, which I'm convinced he'd have, and we'd get double that. Short sighted in the extreme.
  19. 2 points
    We sold a player for 40k last season
  20. 2 points
    PerthSeany

    Let Us Remember Them

    It does make you realise we are very lucky. Bickering amoungst ourselves about drival . Is May going to Rotherham. At least we don't have to go through things like they did. Puts things in perspective
  21. 2 points
    sixties saintee

    We Are All Andy5565!

    Unless it happens to someone you know you have no idea, there but the grace of God.
  22. 2 points
    Abernethy Saint

    Let Us Remember Them

    Guys, we're being asked to turn everything off and sit in the dark just to have a wee think for 1 minute at 11pm tonight. Imagine being 18 years old, with a rare bird at home, everything in front of you. And then you have to climb out of a rat-infested trench and get machine-gunned to death because some blokes in suits had an argument. These pieces of lead usually hit at stomach or thigh level. With no hope of medical support, you bled to death, or died in agony from infection in a hospital. And still it goes on. 11pm. Turn the lights off.
  23. 2 points
    slf

    Saints Book Now On Sale

    Dunno I also felt quite good when I got the pirate cup final DVD. In fact this is now two things a book and a DVD done by the fans for the fans.nae rip offs.just supporters getting stuck in and doing it for themselves. absolutely braw. Well done dudes.
  24. 1 point
    RandomGuy

    Stevie May

    Maybe... just maybe....
  25. 1 point
    belfastsaintee

    Stevie May

    What about a fans fund to keep stevie !? I mind an irish businessman paying trappatonis wages to manage the irish. Could set it up on gofundme.com Would get some media and also let stevie know how much he means to us !!! X fans x X quid a week = £Xk !
  26. 1 point
    Al C

    Saints Book Now On Sale

    Got mine today - brilliant effort Sleepless, some real tear to the eye stuff in there. Really well put together and a great momento. Bit of an ugly bar steward on page 75 mind you.......
  27. 1 point
    Edstar101

    The The V Hibs Tonight - Live On Alba

    Templeton is a complete little wank who has ruined his career. He is nothing like the player he was and I doubt will be again
  28. 1 point
    rik2304

    Ross County V St Johnstone 10/08/14

    INFRASTRUCTURE
  29. 1 point
    Ross County will rue the day they neglected infrastructure !!
  30. 1 point
    Why stop at 5-7 youth players. Go for 11 or 12 if numbers are being taken from thin air. Goodwillie was apparently willing to accept a lot less than he usually gets to join Saints, and I hasten to say again, apparently, so we we weren't going to be facing administration by signing him if true. The squad needs strengthening now, not in 10 years time. It's also very easy to spout cliches and romantic ideas about a youth system but how many people have actually looked at the cold hard reality of Saints and youth? Basically, we're crap at it. We've tried it often enough and failed. One big cheque every generation won't even cover the expenditure laid out over the barren decades. For what? A handful of players that we might get a couple of seasons out of before they head down the divisions. I'd hazard a guess that Montrose, Arbroath and Forfar have done better out of Saints youth systems over the years than we have. If you want to look at drains on our resources then start here. Why on earth should we suddenly develop a Dundee United style conveyor belt of first team players and sellable income raisers this time? It was one of Geoff's ambitions for all the years he was Chairman and it never happened. What is Steve going to do that's so different? Sell the club to them in his usual style? 'Join us and if you reach the first team you'll get a yearly contract and you'll be out of the door as soon as a Peterborough or Rotherham come calling. Forget about long term contracts and multi million pound moves to the Premiership or the Continent like United's kids. Pay you over the summer? That'll be right. We're not made of money you know. Ok, can I borrow your dad's pen so you can sign here? ' It's good to see Kane, Caddis and Clark looking like they'll join May in bucking the trend but how much will it have cost to produce them over the years? Who's next? I don't mean the ones we've picked up after a sweep of the English lower league 'released' lists. Who is the next genuinely home grown youth product earmarked for the first team? The youth conveyor belt is fine in principle but we've proven over the decades it doesn't really work for us. I'd much rather our limited funds weren't further wasted in propping up a failed system.
  31. 1 point
    The Inspiration

    Saints Outta Hama

    Former Liverpool legend dietmar hamman to replace tommy wright?
  32. 1 point
    Haha fair point, although was that not more, not buying a player for 40k.
  33. 1 point
    Will the trip be long enough to re-run the 2014 Scottish Cup Final?
  34. 1 point
    Kyle

    Player contracts and transfers

    Gardyne did well for Ross County and I don't think he's necessarily a bad player. We've already got Wotherspoon, Croft and O'Halloran who I'd say play in his position and are better than him though. If we're targetting players, it really needs to be a striker (or two) and a left sided midfielder. Millar would be coming into the club in a position where we're fairly well covered - Chris Millar, Brown, Davidson, McDonald and Caddis. I can't see him shifting any of those guys, particularly the senior players. Of the 3 listed, I would probably take a gamble on Gardyne of the 3. Millar - no and Clarkson - definitely no. Just personal opinion - if they do sign, I'll get behind them but I do think there's better fits (and players) out there for us.
  35. 1 point
    patsy

    Player contracts and transfers

    Kelly clarkson?
  36. 1 point
    AthensSaint

    What Is This On My Shed Roof?!

    I believe that they are frozen in time monsters sent by ANDY5565 to Perth to infiltrate the leaders of WAP. They are presently frozen but are de-frosting in time for the start of the new season. There are hundreds in secret hiding places. One came down Kojak's chimneyand is slowly coming to life. Then one night it is going to give him a big slap on his baldy heid YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. The one in hiding for KYLE has got a 12 inch dildo with him
  37. 1 point
    Pelosi

    Player contracts and transfers

    Scott1884 – In answer to your question “would Scott Brown be in the 1st team if Muzz was available” then yes I believe he would. My reason/s for this is due to the fact St Johnstone began negotiations in December 2012 with several players regarding contract extensions. In December 2012 Murray Davidson was offered a 2 year deal, but refused this as his intention was to seek a career move to an English club and Liam Craig had also advised that he would not renew his contract at the end of the season, preferring to sign a pre-contract with Hibs (We all know how that one ended out!). Murray Davidson’s contract took him through until the end of season 2012-13 and in July 2013 he left Saints following our 2 nil victory over Motherwell which secured our Europa League place. Saints were in contact with Bradford City with a view to signing Scott Brown in July 2013 and were clearly intent on securing younger players and possibly on less expensive contracts than Murray Davidson’s, however they did leave the door open for Murray to return if he was not successful in seeking a move to English football. Scott Brown signed for Saints in August 2013 on a permanent deal at the age of 18, clearly for future potential. His current contract extends past Murray Davidson's so It is now up to Murray Davidson to claim his place, once he returns to full fitness! You stated Doris although scoring against Celtic had failed at Dundee.....didn’t really know the player, but if he signed for Dundee perhaps that was the problem! Regarding Liam Caddis – He has been on loan in previous seasons to Arbroath, Cowdenbeath and Alloa making over 30 appearances and has featured in over a dozen 1st team games for Saints already. At 20 years old he is certainly ready for his chance to cement his starting place ahead of our older players and I would much prefer him to play ahead of a few of our current midfielders. Tommy has shown that he intends promoting him to 1st team this season, having played him in our Europa League fixtures. Chris Kane - I agree still has to prove he can be as prolific a scorer as Stevie May at 1st team level. Having been on loan last season to Dumbarton, Kane’s scoring was comparable to May’s and at 19 he has also been introduced to our squad at an early age. Tommy may have wanted to loan him out for another season, but clearly he believes Kane could achieve exactly what May has following his introduction in our Europa League fixtures last season! I bet no-one believed May would do so well so soon! Following Steve Brown’s rallying call last pre-season and again following our Scottish Cup win. It is clear that the idea is to reduce expense, (younger players, cheaper contracts) whilst increasing revenue (more season tickets, advertising revenue and merchandise sales) If proof is needed that we are not going to sign anyone soon, then this is it!...the introduction of these players to our 1st team cannot come quick enough for me! Considering their ages if they’re good enough then they’re old enough.
  38. 1 point
    lethamsaintee

    Stevie May

    Make your own rules up then. Point stands, it can happen. And I'm certain it probably does more than we know.
  39. 1 point
    lethamsaintee

    Stevie May

    I personally think selling him the now is very short sighted. Ideally he'd sign something like a 3 year deal, have another smashing season with Saints and next summer we'd be talking a doubling the fee or perhaps more.
  40. 1 point
    monkfish

    Protest At Celtic Game

    No pyro no protest
  41. 1 point
    rik2304

    Ross County V St Johnstone 10/08/14

    This is their "till January" squad.
  42. 1 point
    dunblanemike

    Ando Testimonial Match

    getting back on topic.... :-) It was heartening to hear the next generation of the young team singing their hearts out at one point in the second half...
  43. 1 point
    Abernethy Saint

    Ando Testimonial Match

    The real - your song is a complete stonker. 50% of people on this site moan, and moan and moan. And........... 1% write to the club with suggestions. Join the Fans Forum. Turn up at 8 in the morning and clean up litter. Form groups to further the cause of disabled fans. Spend your day off cleaning up the trash from the day before. Give us reports from the training ground. Join committees to celebrate wonderful servants to the club. Etc, etc, etc. The real heros are the 100 or so heading off to Slovakia. Big hugs, and I hope you all come back safe and sound.
  44. 1 point
    Inchcolm

    Let Us Remember Them

    I found the article on the net My story is regarding our grandfather Bertram Sampson who was born 17 Jan 1886 in Perth Scotland, and died 23 April 1917 in the Battle of Arras, France & Flanders. His regiment was the 1st/7th Black Watch (Royal Highlanders). The Battalion suffered heavy casualties, 25 other ranks killed and 123 wounded. In 1916 Bertram was sent home on Compassionate Leave as he sustained a "shrapnel wound" to his neck, he recovered and was sent back to fight once again, but sadly was K.I.A. leaving a wife and six children. Before he enlisted Bertram was a professional football player with the local team St Johnstone, in the centre half back position. His registration with the Scottish Football Assoc. was dated 14th May 1907, at the age of 21. From the age of 16 he was an avid football player, and played with many local junior teams. The St Johnstone team lost eight of their players in the First World War. Our grandfather Bertram is mentioned quite extensively in the very rare copy of the "Official St Johnstone FC History from 1886-1997", along with his grandson (my brother Brian Sampson} who also played professional football for St Johnstone, our local team. Bertram is buried in the Brown's Copse Cemetery, Roeux, France.
  45. 1 point
    mike_gain

    Time To Spend Steve

    How can you judge the squad policy when we haven't kicked a ball in the league? People are predicting this policy will fail but we can't make any judgement till we have the facts i.e. results one way or another. I think the PR is subjective, his method and style of communication doesn't seem to have changed since last season it's just that this close season he's not saying things people like where as last season he was playing hardball with Ross County and people liked that so he was a PR genius. I can't remember the last time we kept a successful top flight squad together for a 2nd season and to me this massive positive has been overlooked too much in favour of supposition about what is going wrong at the club. In reality all that has (or rather hasn't) happened is the arrival of new faces but we've had an explanation for that. People read too much into things and while the current squad policy may end up going wrong we can't judge the decision until that point.
  46. 1 point
    rik2304

    Spartak Trnava V Saints

    For those going to the game in Solovakia. Have a word with the chairman if you get a chance!
  47. 1 point
    I think the owners deserve a little more faith than this from the fans after what they have delivered. Am I concerned? A little. Am I prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt? Yes. Relax.
  48. 1 point
    RandomGuy

    Player contracts and transfers

    Have you added in policing costs? Electricity bills? Staff wages? Advertising costs? Food stock? Paramedic costs? Its pointless trying to work out how money we make from games as we have no idea how much it costs to actually stage a game
  49. 1 point
    Everyone seems to be jumping on the "Steve Brown is trying to make money for himself"..... As of yet, there has been nothing to suggest he is taking any money out of the club and is verging on slander. We do deserve answers though!
  50. 1 point
    Nold

    We Are All Andy5565!

    This clearly comes down to two distinct issues. The fact Andy has an unusual and at times baffling point of view and also his repeated disdain and at times violent intentions against some on the forum. Personally I can't be bothered with reading a lot of what he says but that also goes for what a lot of what certain other posters say. I therefore choose to not take a blind bit of interest in their views on 'Dr Goaless' or repeated mentions of whether Novikovas is cup tied. That does not make any of their tedious points, or Andy's any less valid. As for the violent intentions, they can not and should not be condoned however we have all had bad days and said things we did not mean. The fact the guy has made thousands of posts must show this forum means a fair bit to him. Could this not all be resolved with an apology and we can move on to discussing better things?