Kyle Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lt. Col Kojak Slaphead II said: Biggest stumbling block in our attempts to re-sign Joe has been the fact he is represented by his Dad, who by all accounts has proved a massive stumbling block in any attempted deal. Deal is on the table from Aberdeen but I think Joe is holding out for a potential move down South. one thing is for certain, he will not be at Saints next year I do not think. If that's the case - and I don't doubt you're speaking truth - then it's time to give Gordon and Kerr a run at centre back. Shaughnessy can play the last half an hour of the last home game to say his goodbyes and get his thanks, but we need to start looking to the future and if he's not part of it, he shouldn't be in the team. gingermunkie, Bruno Strasser, garydavidson and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Col Kojak Slaphead II Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kyle said: If that's the case - and I don't doubt you're speaking truth - then it's time to give Gordon and Kerr a run at centre back. Shaughnessy can play the last half an hour of the last home game to say his goodbyes and get his thanks, but we need to start looking to the future and if he's not part of it, he shouldn't be in the team. 100% agree, he has been a fantastic player for us, incredibly consistent and very rarely missed a game but if he has decided its time to move on then so be it, he is not irreplaceable by any means. Liam has proved he is more than capable to slot into that defence when called upon, now its time he is given an extended run until the end of the season. I see absolutely no reason to continue playing a player you know will not be with us next season, captain or not. andrew and Cagey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) Agree with both the above posts and I don't think there is a lot to be lost by dropping him, if he wants to stay he should have signed by now if he is considering his options then he surely isn't 100% focused on the job needing done. Edited April 5, 2019 by garydavidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Lt. Col Kojak Slaphead II said: Biggest stumbling block in our attempts to re-sign Joe has been the fact he is represented by his Dad, who by all accounts has proved a massive stumbling block in any attempted deal. Deal is on the table from Aberdeen but I think Joe is holding out for a potential move down South. one thing is for certain, he will not be at Saints next year I do not think. Not sure what makes him think he will get a move down south. Maybe if he had continued his form from first half of the season ,then maybe. Aberdeen is his best bet as I think he has burned his bridges with Tommy who I think has givren his final offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Kyle said: If that's the case - and I don't doubt you're speaking truth - then it's time to give Gordon and Kerr a run at centre back. Shaughnessy can play the last half an hour of the last home game to say his goodbyes and get his thanks, but we need to start looking to the future and if he's not part of it, he shouldn't be in the team. It's a kind of catch 22. We drop Shaughnessy and give Gordon and Kerr a run in the team until the end of the season and it does not work out we could lose over a hundred thousand pounds as we fall down the league. 7th - £1.36m (5.75%) 8th - £1.3m (5.5%) 9th - £1.24m (5.25%) 10th - £1.19m (5.0%) 11th - £1.13m (4.75%) 12th - £1.07m (4.5%) What do we see as being more important, the money which could be used to finance another central defender and other positions or trying out the partnership? In my opinion the money is more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Col Kojak Slaphead II Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Johnny B said: It's a kind of catch 22. We drop Shaughnessy and give Gordon and Kerr a run in the team until the end of the season and it does not work out we could lose over a hundred thousand pounds as we fall down the league. 7th - £1.36m (5.75%) 8th - £1.3m (5.5%) 9th - £1.24m (5.25%) 10th - £1.19m (5.0%) 11th - £1.13m (4.75%) 12th - £1.07m (4.5%) What do we see as being more important, the money which could be used to finance another central defender and other positions or trying out the partnership? In my opinion the money is more important. Its a very valid point you are correct. Tough call for Tommy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 39 minutes ago, Johnny B said: It's a kind of catch 22. We drop Shaughnessy and give Gordon and Kerr a run in the team until the end of the season and it does not work out we could lose over a hundred thousand pounds as we fall down the league. 7th - £1.36m (5.75%) 8th - £1.3m (5.5%) 9th - £1.24m (5.25%) 10th - £1.19m (5.0%) 11th - £1.13m (4.75%) 12th - £1.07m (4.5%) What do we see as being more important, the money which could be used to finance another central defender and other positions or trying out the partnership? In my opinion the money is more important. Shaunassy to Aberdeen , May back to Perth ... its going to happen season ticket seller bring him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 I would take a punt at James Norwood (Tranmere Rovers) His contract up at the end of the season. Top goal scorer in Div 2 with 27 league goals so far. I know it is a big jump but worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 58 minutes ago, Johnny B said: It's a kind of catch 22. We drop Shaughnessy and give Gordon and Kerr a run in the team until the end of the season and it does not work out we could lose over a hundred thousand pounds as we fall down the league. 7th - £1.36m (5.75%) 8th - £1.3m (5.5%) 9th - £1.24m (5.25%) 10th - £1.19m (5.0%) 11th - £1.13m (4.75%) 12th - £1.07m (4.5%) What do we see as being more important, the money which could be used to finance another central defender and other positions or trying out the partnership? In my opinion the money is more important. Your post seems to sum up the failings with Scottish football very well. However, what if Motherwell finish above us due to them throwing in some great 16, 17 and 18 year olds? They then benefit from more money and bleeding through youth. Liam Gordon has been very near the top performer in man of the match polls every time he has played. I don't think the risk lies with him and Kerr playing together. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, garydavidson said: Your post seems to sum up the failings with Scottish football very well. However, what if Motherwell finish above us due to them throwing in some great 16, 17 and 18 year olds? They then benefit from more money and bleeding through youth. Liam Gordon has been very near the top performer in man of the match polls every time he has played. I don't think the risk lies with him and Kerr playing together. Football is all about" what ifs" and "opinions" that's what makes it a great conversational game. What if your right, what if I am right, we will never know because all the scenarios can not come to fruition. We will have to agree to disagree and see how the club play out Joe's situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Johnny B said: Football is all about" what ifs" and "opinions" that's what makes it a great conversational game. What if your right, what if I am right, we will never know because all the scenarios can not come to fruition. We will have to agree to disagree and see how the club play out Joe's situation. It probably won't play out as Tommy doesn't seem to be the sort of person that would make the call to drop Joe. In my opinion, unless you are Steve Brown, you should really be wanting to try out a promising youngster over someone who isn't sure if they want to be at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Johnny B said: I would take a punt at James Norwood (Tranmere Rovers) His contract up at the end of the season. Top goal scorer in Div 2 with 27 league goals so far. I know it is a big jump but worth a try. Not a chance, he is way out of our price range.p Havana Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Tranmere Saintee said: Not a chance, he is way out of our price range.p Are you saying 4th tier England can more than us? and is he as good as his stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crieffsaintandy Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Johnny B said: It's a kind of catch 22. We drop Shaughnessy and give Gordon and Kerr a run in the team until the end of the season and it does not work out we could lose over a hundred thousand pounds as we fall down the league. 7th - £1.36m (5.75%) 8th - £1.3m (5.5%) 9th - £1.24m (5.25%) 10th - £1.19m (5.0%) 11th - £1.13m (4.75%) 12th - £1.07m (4.5%) What do we see as being more important, the money which could be used to finance another central defender and other positions or trying out the partnership? In my opinion the money is more important. Have to disagree as Gordon would have been a better option than joe since the break and could have maybe been top six if he was playing, as to me joe has been one of the issues that we are bottom six, been terrible since the turn of the year and should have been dropped but I think tommy plays him in the blind hope he is staying when the young lad Gordon should have been in based on performances rather than blinded loyalty to a liability at centre half, who is a poor excuse as a captain and lacks any inspiration qualities at all. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Johnny B said: It's a kind of catch 22. We drop Shaughnessy and give Gordon and Kerr a run in the team until the end of the season and it does not work out we could lose over a hundred thousand pounds as we fall down the league. 7th - £1.36m (5.75%) 8th - £1.3m (5.5%) 9th - £1.24m (5.25%) 10th - £1.19m (5.0%) 11th - £1.13m (4.75%) 12th - £1.07m (4.5%) What do we see as being more important, the money which could be used to finance another central defender and other positions or trying out the partnership? In my opinion the money is more important. Finish as high as possible. Top of bottom six please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 58 minutes ago, Johnny B said: Are you saying 4th tier England can more than us? and is he as good as his stats? If theres League One interest, he'll likely be out our price range, tbf. I dont think we'll ever be the biggest team after the top scorer in that division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indicator Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Johnny B said: Are you saying 4th tier England can more than us? and is he as good as his stats? Tranmere picked him up on a free from Forest Green who also picked him up on a free from ?? Current value 45k. On current form probably attracting some interest from Div1 or Championship clubs. Will give him the once over on April 22nd when Tranmere visit Lincoln. Edited April 5, 2019 by Indicator Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 Aberdeen are ready to withdraw their pre-contract offer to St Johnstoneskipper Joe Shaughnessy after growing frustrated by the lengthy negotiations with the former Pittodrie defender. (Sun) https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4089006/derek-mcinnes-aberdeen-joe-shaughnessy-st-johnstone/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Johnny B said: Aberdeen are ready to withdraw their pre-contract offer to St Johnstoneskipper Joe Shaughnessy after growing frustrated by the lengthy negotiations with the former Pittodrie defender. (Sun) https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4089006/derek-mcinnes-aberdeen-joe-shaughnessy-st-johnstone/ If it's in the Sun must be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, sixties saintee said: If it's in the Sun must be true Scott Burns reported the same thing yesterday, and hes seemingly bang on with Aberdeen rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 18 hours ago, Johnny B said: Are you saying 4th tier England can more than us? and is he as good as his stats? Yes, they pay more than us, plus there is still a good chance of Tranmere moving up another division. There has been plenty of interest, as you would expect, from ‘bigger’ clubs but the grass is not always greener, just ask Andy Cook who left us last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Saint Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 12 hours ago, Johnny B said: Aberdeen are ready to withdraw their pre-contract offer to St Johnstoneskipper Joe Shaughnessy after growing frustrated by the lengthy negotiations with the former Pittodrie defender. (Sun) https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4089006/derek-mcinnes-aberdeen-joe-shaughnessy-st-johnstone/ Saints have also withdrawn offer to Joe. It is up to him or his representative to re-open negotations. Joe and his rep (heard it was his father) playing long game in the hope others come in seems to be back firing. Pity Kerr red carded and suspended or would be ideal time to put Joe on bench or in the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Anyone think Tony Watt will be with us next season. He hasnt been getting starts lately and injured at the moment, not fully dropped. Im wondering who will pick him up after what hasnt been a good season for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, Rob said: Anyone think Tony Watt will be with us next season. He hasnt been getting starts lately and injured at the moment, not fully dropped. Im wondering who will pick him up after what hasnt been a good season for him. Manager confirmed today that his wage demands are beyond what the club think hes worth, so he'll be gone in the Summer. HOODLUM65 and sixties saintee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Started brilliantly but has faded badly. Has scored one more goal than Kane. Writing on the wall when Kane was starting ahead of him. Let's hope we don't end up with a Fallon or an Iwelumo for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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