andrew Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 It was interesting to hear from a club physio about confidentiality. If a player tells the physio he isn't fit the physio is not obliged to inform the manager. Quite the opposite. Patient confidentiality rules. Not linking this in any way to Muzz feeling/being sick. Just a point of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Saint Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Â It was interesting to hear from a club physio about confidentiality. If a player tells the physio he isn't fit the physio is not obliged to inform the manager. Quite the opposite. Patient confidentiality rules. Not linking this in any way to Muzz feeling/being sick. Just a point of interest. So if the manager asks the physio for his assessment of the first team squad players does he then inform the manager or not? If he does not is he not being negligent in his duties to the club and also his "patient" who could play and aggravate any condition or minor injury he has? Surely he has a duty of care to the club to protect its assets ie the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017  It was, I believe nothing ot do with concussion but that he had been sick during the week but declared he was fit. You do not have to be a neurosurgeon to know when you have been puiking and how that his effected you. Sickness and nausea are classic symptoms of concussion. Muzz was knocked out during the Celtic game and had 5 minutes of treatment on the pitch, he was then taken to hospital.  It was reported on 5 September that Saints were satisfied he could return to full training and be considered for the Hibs game.  However, it appears from his criticism that Tommy was aware he had been sick later in the week.  I do find it strange that with that sequence of events he was allowed to play on Saturday simply on his own assessment as to how he was feeling. ex-montrosesaintee and SaintJet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Considering the physio recently got a lot of credit for work on concussion I can't imagine that is what the illness was related to. http://www.footballmedic.co.uk/2017/03/07/fma-member-effects-change-scottish-football-association/ Edited September 11, 2017 by garydavidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldPoster Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 That's a very good blog but its quite scary to think that we have had 4 concussions within the space of 8 games!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Â Considering the physio recently got a lot of credit for work on concussion I can't imagine that is what the illness was related to. http://www.footballmedic.co.uk/2017/03/07/fma-member-effects-change-scottish-football-association/ My thought, and my original comment, was taking this into account. Â Given the good reputation we and our physio have, it would explain why Tommy was so angry, if Murray had concealed the fact he was feeling unwell still. Â All speculation, it was just out of character for Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017  It was interesting to hear from a club physio about confidentiality. If a player tells the physio he isn't fit the physio is not obliged to inform the manager. Quite the opposite. Patient confidentiality rules. Not linking this in any way to Muzz feeling/being sick. Just a point of interest. I would have thought that the club doctor would have to apply patient confidentiality standards but not a physio. Dave Ferg and Cagey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017  I would have thought that the club doctor would have to apply patient confidentiality standards but not a physio. I would have thought that for both physio and doctor they have a duty to the club first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 I can just imagine a player getting a medical before he signs and then the doctor telling the club that he can't tell them the result. Don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Â I can just imagine a player getting a medical before he signs and then the doctor telling the club that he can't tell them the result. Don't think so. Don't you think it's probably the case in that scenario that the player has to consent to having the results shared with the club? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017  Don't you think it's probably the case in that scenario that the player has to consent to having the results shared with the club? Just a thought. I'm sure there will be something in most players contracts to cover all these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJet Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017  Sickness and nausea are classic symptoms of concussion. Muzz was knocked out during the Celtic game and had 5 minutes of treatment on the pitch, he was then taken to hospital.  It was reported on 5 September that Saints were satisfied he could return to full training and be considered for the Hibs game.  However, it appears from his criticism that Tommy was aware he had been sick later in the week.  I do find it strange that with that sequence of events he was allowed to play on Saturday simply on his own assessment as to how he was feeling. I was shocked to see Muzz in the lineup to be honest. I think if there is any concussion we should be following the NFL protocols where a player being cleared to play within a 2 week period is near impossible. I hope Muzz is grounded for another week and lets hope everyone learns from this. south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Â Sickness and nausea are classic symptoms of concussion. Muzz was knocked out during the Celtic game and had 5 minutes of treatment on the pitch, he was then taken to hospital. Â It was reported on 5 September that Saints were satisfied he could return to full training and be considered for the Hibs game. Â However, it appears from his criticism that Tommy was aware he had been sick later in the week. Â I do find it strange that with that sequence of events he was allowed to play on Saturday simply on his own assessment as to how he was feeling. Surprised Abernethy didn't question your medical qualifications. south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 I can, for my usual fee. south inch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooj Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017  I would have thought that the club doctor would have to apply patient confidentiality standards but not a physio. There's no difference. Doctors have to abide by GMC code of conduct, physios by the HCPC code of conduct. They have pretty much the same requirements in terms of confidentiality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanamaSaint Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Muzz has an attitude problem anyway. About time he got moaned at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Â Muzz has an attitude problem anyway. About time he got moaned at. Based on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Are pubs open 24 hours in Panama? Dave Ferg and rik2304 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Â Based on? The fact he turned up late for a European game and got dropped from the starting 11, perhaps?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Â The fact he turned up late for a European game and got dropped from the starting 11, perhaps?? Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited)  The fact he turned up late for a European game and got dropped from the starting 11, perhaps?? Big difference between poor time keeping and having an attitude problem. Especially if it was a one off. Edited September 17, 2017 by Pat McGroin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Surely trying to play a game you're not fit enough to play in is the opposite of an "attitude problem"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 He's becoming increasingly poor at dealing with high balls. I'd say he has an altitude problem. I'm here all week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indicator Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 What about the Panama question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Â What about the Panama question? Is it anything like the West Lothian one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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