Brogan Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) This quite possibly might be his last chance of a move to make the type of money/deal he is after as a two/three year deals puts him into the over 30 camp and signing for Saints I suppose into the lower basic wages brigade. So he will see no big rush just now to commit as there was no games this week to miss, and there is always the chance of a offer from a club who is in greater need during the coming months now that the transfer window is closed.Well that's one way of looking at it. Alternatively, the longer Swanson goes without a game the more he turns into the player we saw at QOS; or that those who can afford him up here may well see him as a guy who can't get a game for an English League one side. Or they remember a player who did really well in a couple of games for Saints, but was often blowing out of his arse shortly after half time in others. In short, he doesn't hold ALL the cards.So that's why I find - not for the first time - Tommy's comments disingenuous. We were told the deal was dead on Friday. So why this needless resurrection of the story? Is it to put pressure on Brown? If so, I think he should resist. Edited September 8, 2015 by Brogan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) I have sympathies for all parties here to be honest. Swanson was all set to come to us on loan, but was released before hand. I'm guessing we were paying a portion of his wage and Coventry the rest. That was a game changer for us as we clearly can't afford his full wage. Makes it difficult for both the chairman and the player who is clearly still keen on a move to Saints. Tommy misses out on his number 1 target and the position he most wanted to strengthen still has a hole in it.Best chance we have is Swanson lowers his demands, and Brown tries to meet him somewhere in the middle. If the club can't afford it though, then we can't afford and we should move on. If this signing is unlikely to happen, then I think that's really unfair of Wright putting pressure on Brown the way he is. Edited September 8, 2015 by Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 The jury is still out because it never gets the chance to weigh up the evidence.There is no reasonable justification for the manager's treatment of Caddis. Either he's not good enough - in which case why keep offering him contracts? - or he is - in which case, give him a consistent run in the team.Instead Wright keeps putting him in for a couple of games and then dropping him for no obvious reason (I think he's done ok the last few times I've seen him play; certainly more direct than Caddis, and on current form no worse than Craig).Caddis is a back up player, he's good enough for cover but not for consistent starts, his time on loan in the Championship showed him as completely inconsistent and pretty average for that division. The reason hes kept on is because he can cover a multitude of positions and the fact that getting any player that can cover such a range of positions would be more expensive, Radford kept making that point in the Summer, that for what he is you'd struggle to get anything better for the money. He's also young enough that he could potentially mature into a starter.I fully agree he should leave us though, he's never going to play regularly as hes never proven hes good enough for that, whether that be out on loan or on the training pitch, and his careers just completely stagnating now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Also surprised TWs putting pressure on the chairman, I think we're all in agreement that its his use of the budget thats prevented us getting Swanson more than Brown being tight. Although I've sympathy with TW too who clearly worked the budget with the mindset of having Swanson on loan rather than permanently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It's Tony Mowbray's fault imo.Roaster. Highland Saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 This quite possibly might be his last chance of a move to make the type of money/deal he is after as a two/three year deals puts him into the over 30 camp and signing for Saints I suppose into the lower basic wages brigade. So he will see no big rush just now to commit as there was no games this week to miss, and there is always the chance of a offer from a club who is in greater need during the coming months now that the transfer window is closed, Like our panic move for McFadden last year so not dead in the water yet. I would imagine if he is coming though it will be by the end of week, It will need to be Danny/His agent who backs down though as I would be surprised if Steve Brown will budge on the offer he has made. Agree with some of what you're saying about Swanson. I don't think Saints are really scared to sign players over 30 though - the likes of Lappin, Millar, Mackay, Maclean etc have all had 2 years deals off us after their 30 birthday (I think Mackay actually had 3 years) and I doubt any of those guys are on the lower end of our wage scale. He's training with Hearts and, if they do offer him a deal, I can't see us being able to get close to it. Fingers crossed we can up our ofer a wee bit though, as I think he'd end up being back up there.I don't think we had any option but sign McFadden or another striker this time last year. Maclean was out for months, Kane was loaned out until January with no recall option, Morgan turned out to be the second coming of Rory Fallon (only this time he was pals with Ian Beale) and Graham was the only contributing striker at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBored Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 A little surprised by Wright's comments this morning. Seems like he is making more noises about the budget than he did previously, particularly highlighting that Swanson isn't the first player we have missed out on this summer due to the finances.If the opportunity to sign Swanson has gone, I wonder whether we will look to the English loan system....or are we too late for loans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 A little surprised by Wright's comments this morning. Seems like he is making more noises about the budget than he did previously, particularly highlighting that Swanson isn't the first player we have missed out on this summer due to the finances.If the opportunity to sign Swanson has gone, I wonder whether we will look to the English loan system....or are we too late for loans?Dont think you can get loan outside window except emergency for goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brogan Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Swanson was all set to come to us on loan, but was released before hand.Not quite a total hard-luck story. After all, if Swanson was simply released he'd be entitled to the remainder of his contracted salary - he'll hardly be on the breadline. Even if he negotiated his release, he'd have received a payoff from Coventry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Not quite a total hard-luck story. After all, if Swanson was simply released he'd be entitled to the remainder of his contracted salary - he'll hardly be on the breadline. Even if he negotiated his release, he'd have received a payoff from Coventry.Of course it isn't a hard luck story, but if he's used to a salary then he'll want to get as close to that salary as before. Saints clearly can't match that and I doubt Swanson expected us to either. It seems to me that we were miles apart on what he was after and what he was offering as it doesn't seem to have gotten passed the first day of negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It's worth remembering that Chris Millar was an average and at times frustrating player until he was in his late 20s and just keeps getting better now. Not all players progress at the same rate. Maybe it is harsh to write Caddis off? Coltrane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Caddis is a back up player, he's good enough for cover but not for consistent starts, his time on loan in the Championship showed him as completely inconsistent and pretty average for that division. The reason hes kept on is because he can cover a multitude of positions and the fact that getting any player that can cover such a range of positions would be more expensive, Radford kept making that point in the Summer, that for what he is you'd struggle to get anything better for the money. He's also young enough that he could potentially mature into a starter.I fully agree he should leave us though, he's never going to play regularly as hes never proven hes good enough for that, whether that be out on loan or on the training pitch, and his careers just completely stagnating now.I think that is the problem. Caddis can cover a few positions but like a few utility players suffers because of it.He has to leave for his own good. sixties saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Also surprised TWs putting pressure on the chairman, I think we're all in agreement that its his use of the budget thats prevented us getting Swanson more than Brown being tight. Although I've sympathy with TW too who clearly worked the budget with the mindset of having Swanson on loan rather than permanently there might be room in the budget but a player or two but maybe they are asking more than our individual wage structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldermoresensiblepack Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Play the young guy who came on the Blackpool friendly, he looks like he's worth a punt.I know his name but it comes up a swear word on my laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Play the young guy who came on the Blackpool friendly, he looks like he's worth a punt.I know his name but it comes up a swear word on my laptop.was that not Craig Thompson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldermoresensiblepack Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 was that not Craig Thompson? Aye thats the guy I mean. C***g T***p**n McCarry One Nil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 As long as you weren't meaning ***ter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Have Hearts taken him on yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Agree with some of what you're saying about Swanson. I don't think Saints are really scared to sign players over 30 though - the likes of Lappin, Millar, Mackay, Maclean etc have all had 2 years deals off us after their 30 birthday (I think Mackay actually had 3 years) and I doubt any of those guys are on the lower end of our wage scale. He's training with Hearts and, if they do offer him a deal, I can't see us being able to get close to it. Fingers crossed we can up our ofer a wee bit though, as I think he'd end up being back up there.I don't think we had any option but sign McFadden or another striker this time last year. Maclean was out for months, Kane was loaned out until January with no recall option, Morgan turned out to be the second coming of Rory Fallon (only this time he was pals with Ian Beale) and Graham was the only contributing striker at that point.Mabey what I was saying did not come over that clearly, I was not meaning saints would not sign a over thirty player or he would be on the lower end of our wage structure, more that if Swanson does decide to commit or indeed decides we are his best offer then he will more or else have giving up the dream of a £5K+ a week pay packet and into the wage structure of most Premiere league player up here is on, I think Caddis is in the same boat if he decided to leave I would imagine Part time at best for him and a complete unknown life from then on again the dream of a full time football player may be lost, so he hangs on as long as he can to that dream?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Officially signed for Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Officially signed for HeartsHow can that be. People in here said ages ago he had signed a 2 year deal.....I don't understand Highland Saintee and PauloPerth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-johns-toun Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 people talk shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Grieve Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Missing out on what appeared to be a top signing target is poor.missing out and signing for opposition is appalling.a really poor piece of business all round:-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin James Is On Stilts Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Missing out on what appeared to be a top signing target is poor.missing out and signing for opposition is appalling.a really poor piece of business all round:-(Bigger club, more money. Disappointing as a Saints fan but it's a bit of a no-brainer decision for Swanson really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 He has taking the money on offer, however a 1 year deal? is not much security for him if he gets punted at the end of the season. I suppose familiarity with Levine, and the manager at Hearts may have helped him, Not a convincing deal for him IMO. Dave Ferg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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