south inch Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 The controversial bit is the stress on the word typical on "typical foreigner". How do you show that that action is typical of someone who isn't British. You undeniably cannot. If Brad had only said Juanma was a cheat and not implied that typical foreigners were then he'd likely still be being charged but for something like bringing game into disrepute and questions of PC would be nowhere near it - and I'd agree with your point I take your point it is a fair one. However, the Complaint refers specifically to "Juan Manual Delgado Lloria" and quotes word for word the comment about holding his head and rolling about. I would argue that the way the Complaint is worded lays more emphasis on the possibilty that Juan is a cheat. If the Compliance Officer was only worried about a slur on foreign players why mention the rest of the comments. Jiangsu Sainty and Kilgour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiangsu Sainty Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Could be it's both the disrepute and the other comments as both sections of his interview feature word for word in the notice and no set charge is mentioned from what I saw. The BBC are certainly going for the foreigner angle, maybe Brogan onto something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave H Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Spaniard as "a typical foreigner" who "gets touched and goes down" Sounds like something my dad would say.... Pretty dated comment and with a fans perspective. Interesting to see what happens next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mad referee Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 The compliance officer needs to start looking at his role and define it to the Clubs & Fans its a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McQueen Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I notice there wasnt a penalty attached to this, could he be hammeded for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=foreigner+i+want+to+know+what+love+is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthensSaint Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It was a silly rather than racist comment. I reckon he will get away with a one match suspended ban and a telling off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Should have been dealt with in house no need for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Typical compliance officer reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Man Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Being one of those pesky foreigners, I think this is a farce! I can't see how it causes any offense in the slightest As an aside, I personally take far greater offence to things like Dundee utd being called Arabs... I'd rather not be linked to those manky bastards, thanks Kyle and Edstar101 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 What is ppl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Man Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 just because youre not offended doesnt mean nobody else is or it shud just be swept under the carpet. you just cant say things like that these days and its highly ignorant we are a family club and dont need this kind of bad publicity. Anybody who gets offended by anything as trivial as this needs to give their head a wobble. There was no racist or hateful meaning behind it for there to be any offense taken. There's no need to focus solely on the words used and to ignore the context, and then to act outraged on the behalf of others who more than likely couldn't care less about the comment made! Presumably we should all now apologise profusely for stating that Dundonians partake in inappropriate incestuous relations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Anybody who gets offended by anything as trivial as this needs to give their head a wobble. There was no racist or hateful meaning behind it for there to be any offense taken. There's no need to focus solely on the words used and to ignore the context, and then to act outraged on the behalf of others who more than likely couldn't care less about the comment made! Presumably we should all now apologise profusely for stating that Dundonians partake in inappropriate incestuous relations? Who are you to decide what someone can and cannot be offended by? Brad McKay should not have said it and we should just accept whatever punishment he gets and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 just because youre not offended doesnt mean nobody else is or it shud just be swept under the carpet. you just cant say things like that these days and its highly ignorant we are a family club and dont need this kind of bad publicity.What is shud? saintscotty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown_Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 What is shud? should you knew that as well though. are you that tedious that you have to follow me about all day and pick up on things i type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 should you knew that as well though. are you that tedious that you have to follow me about all day and pick up on things i type? It's 'I' (capital letter) Dave H and saintscotty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sainties sheep Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 i cant believe ppl think this is an over reaction you cant say things like that nowadays, not only is it plain ignorant its offensive to the great number of foreigners we have playing in the country. saying we should not give any more interviews to the bbc is like some wee spoilt child going in the huff Rubbish. I deal with this type of comment said by individuals every day and make assessments on whether it is or is not criminal, a hate crime or incident. 100% guarantee, Brad's comments were none of the aforementioned. People think they have an idea of what is and is not regarded as hate / racial / discriminatory incidents based upon media sensationalism which is miles from the truth. If you would like to test your legal knowledge and debating skills, please let me know. :-) Kilgour and PerthSeany 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown_Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It's 'I' (capital letter) never been funny in your entire life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown_Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Rubbish. I deal with this type of comment said by individuals every day and make assessments on whether it is or is not criminal, a hate crime or incident. 100% guarantee, Brad's comments were none of the aforementioned. People think they have an idea of what is and is not regarded as hate / racial / discriminatory incidents based upon media sensationalism which is miles from the truth. If you would like to test your legal knowledge and debating skills, please let me know. :-) its not a criminal incident or hate crime, i didnt say it was you seem very confused here despite apparently knowing better than poor wee laymen like me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sainties sheep Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 its not a criminal incident or hate crime, i didnt say it was you seem very confused here despite apparently knowing better than poor wee laymen like me It was a poor choice of language on Brad's part. There was no ignorance nor was there anything offensive, as you state in any of his quote. People may perceive it to be, but, that does not mean it is in the true meaning of the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown_Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It was a poor choice of language on Brad's part. There was no ignorance nor was there anything offensive, as you state in any of his quote. People may perceive it to be, but, that does not mean it is in the true meaning of the word. another one who thinks they can dictate to people what they can or cant be offended by and of course there was ignorance in what he says, unless you believe foreigners are typically cheats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 another one who thinks they can dictate to people what they can or cant be offended by and of course there was ignorance in what he says, unless you believe foreigners are typically cheats I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 What is ppl? Payment protection insurance. It's been in the news often enough. Get with the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown_Out Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I do you also believe you are funny so hardly suprising monkfish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south inch Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Could be it's both the disrepute and the other comments as both sections of his interview feature word for word in the notice and no set charge is mentioned from what I saw. The BBC are certainly going for the foreigner angle, maybe Brogan onto something Once again I'm broadly in agreement with you. Whichever one of us is right about the main thrust of the "Complaint" Brad had better be able to justify his "rolling about" comment. If he can't he is in trouble but if he can then to be punished for drawing attention to a player who is trying to get fellow professionals booked or sent off is a bit much. A warning to be more careful with his language in future would surely suffice, we are after all talking about a 22 year old football player not a guy with experience of the pitfalls that are there today for anyone who is a bit careless in their use of language. It would annoy me in particular given that on the evidence of the Josh Meekings case the Compliance Officer himself is no great shakes at interpreting English since he did not seem to understand his own remit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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