andrew Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 With my limited tactical knowledge I’d say that we stood off them (squared) today. Most every time their man received the ball he had no one near him until he got the ball. Then our player had to go to him by which time he had time and space to pick out the next man who had no one near him. Multiply that all over the park and you lose - heavily. As poor as I’ve seen us play anywhere in quite a long time. Apology should be offered to those present today. A bit of honesty. Won’t happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 We've had plenty of good results at Ibrox under TW, he got it really wrong today but lets not start making it a conspiracy. Poor line up + Poor tactics + Poor individual performances = Bad result Simple as that really. Lessons hopefully learned and a reaction is needed on Wednesday. Best thing is they won't be stewing on that performance for too long before getting a chance to rectify it. I'd love for TW to explain the decision to play Wotherspoon from the start, but won't hold my breath. Didn't offer anything but I think most of us would've predicted that pre-match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indicator Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Dear me. Even Dundee only managed to concede 4 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Cagey said: Scougall not even on the bench yet he plays a guy who is off form. Its bizarre but no susprise really, hes spent the past 12 months trying to wedge Wotherspoon into the team without any success, I make that four different positions he's had a start in, while Scougall gets punted out of position for a few games then given up on. We all have our favourites, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 I watched their game against Villareal who should have been out of site before Rangers had 2 breakaways. Saints were hoping Rangers would be tired after that game. So we let them play the game at their pace & put no pressure on a poor defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 A lot of passengers out there. Clark needs pressure on his place. The Spoony inclusion was a bit strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Jenkins Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, Cagey said: Scougall not even on the bench yet he plays a guy who is off form. Looking increasingly like something has happened there. Oh and we shouldn't be shipping 5 goals to anyone in thus league, ever. Dave H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Grieve Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 What happened to turning up to Ibrox and running at them and pumping them? Feels like the old days when we were hoping not to get humped.... I’ve said it before on here...save the petrol and offer them a 3-0 by telephone...... Indicator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Grieve Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Someone further up the thread mentioned Celtic giving the league to Sevco......My stomach really couldn’t take that. There appears to be a media love-in with ‘superscouse’..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 We were pish today. A shite team selection and a fair few players putting in poor performances. Been said loads of times already, but throwing in Spoony who hasn't had a good game in six months was just completely random, especially for the player who's been involved in 4 out of our 5 goals this season. Our centre midfield is still nowhere near good enough, as everyone has said since the end of last season. Had an extra player in there and still had little constructive use of the ball or got in challenges in that first half. Absolutely gifted them goals from start to finish. Their midfield and attack are good, but defence are poor. We missed a couple of great chance 1 on 1's thru on goal in the second half when Watt then Swanson put wide so if we'd been a bit more positive from the start then who knows. Agree with earlier comment about Clark, every free kick against us round the box I expect a goal. Thought he was poor today as well as 3 of the 4 defenders. I'd definitely have Ando in ahead of Shaughnessy, he's a far better defender. That was how it used to be years back going to Ibrox and Celtic park, bottling it completely and getting steamrollered from start to finish. Not a massively enjoyable away day to be honest!! Havana Saint and sixties saintee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave H Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Away and shite! 5 fkn goals. Embarrassment! Trying to drum up enthusiasm to those fans who rarely go, saying we are playing well, looking good and exciting this season... roll on the quarter final v Celtic midweek, that'll be fun! Doesnt do the goal difference any favours... humped 5-1. After 6 games we are 8th... chasing the top 6 spot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford 72 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Only our fourth defeat in our last 21 games; it was a bad day at the office, everyone has them. I don't think it's worth delving too deep into things and, as the manager said, there were key moments today that went against us. We create a great early chance through Wright that Wotherspoon should do better with but 10-15 minutes in find ourselves a goal down despite them not yet being in our box. Watt and Alston squander a great chance at 2-0, they go straight up the park and score. Watt misses another great opportunity at 3-0 then what looked a clear foul on Swanson goes unpunished immediately prior to the fourth. Key moments. That's not to excuse some of the defending, which was way below the standard they've set over the past few weeks. I think we've seen enough this season to hope a lot of what we saw today was out of character. There are other issues that we've known are there but we've seen they can be overcome if we get other things right. The players will know what is required on Wednesday. The manager is now in the situation where he can make changes (I think he was right to remain largely loyal to the players he went with today) but equally these guys have lost only two out of eleven matches this season and that deserves to be remembered. 541ntees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, George Grieve said: What happened to turning up to Ibrox and running at them and pumping them? Feels like the old days when we were hoping not to get humped.... I’ve said it before on here...save the petrol and offer them a 3-0 by telephone...... Braw post there dude. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 This lad could be close to a starting jersey, big few games coming up for Zander requiring BIG performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Radford 72 said: Only our fourth defeat in our last 21 games; it was a bad day at the office, everyone has them. I don't think it's worth delving too deep into things and, as the manager said, there were key moments today that went against us. We create a great early chance through Wright that Wotherspoon should do better with but 10-15 minutes in find ourselves a goal down despite them not yet being in our box. Watt and Alston squander a great chance at 2-0, they go straight up the park and score. Watt misses another great opportunity at 3-0 then what looked a clear foul on Swanson goes unpunished immediately prior to the fourth. Key moments. That's not to excuse some of the defending, which was way below the standard they've set over the past few weeks. I think we've seen enough this season to hope a lot of what we saw today was out of character. There are other issues that we've known are there but we've seen they can be overcome if we get other things right. The players will know what is required on Wednesday. The manager is now in the situation where he can make changes (I think he was right to remain largely loyal to the players he went with today) but equally these guys have lost only two out of eleven matches this season and that deserves to be remembered. What did you make of Clark today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broon Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Easy to look at the Goalkeeper when you get pumped 5-1 but he was left badly exposed by a very disorganised defence. Tanser was all over the place leaving gaping holes down the left which dragged the centre back across to cover. We never had a sitting midfielder who could come in and cover the gaps meaning rangers were able to overload on the other side. Yes you could argue he shouldn't get beat at his near post but Morelos had a free shot from 6 yards and it was a good finish. He does need to work on his walls though still a great free kick. The Arfield one was a very awkward place for a goalie - too close to get with your hand but not close enough for a foot save. Nothing he could do against Lafferty or Candeias to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Tommy has nowhere to go as far as moaning is concerned now. He stated he was happy with the squad & the chairman also put his hand in his pocket to bring in Swanson when he had signed the players he wanted.He can't say poor me the chairman won't open his purse. We bring in attack minded players & go to Killie & Ibrox expecting them to stay in their own half. I don't think many players like or enjoy playing like that. south inch, Coltrane and Dave H 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, rik2304 said: What did you make of Clark today? Think it's harsh to put too much on him. Have to see the free kick again but it's a worry that we conceded almost two identical goals successively. The rest he was horrendously exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, RandomGuy said: Think it's harsh to put too much on him. Have to see the free kick again but it's a worry that we conceded almost two identical goals successively. The rest he was horrendously exposed. McGinn for Aberdeen then Tavernier x2 today, second one hit the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 just watched replays.....is it not basic training for a wall to jump on free kicks? lead feet ffs....same with one that beat zander and hit bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, Cleveland-Saint said: just watched replays.....is it not basic training for a wall to jump on free kicks? lead feet ffs....same with one that beat zander and hit bar Looks like they are under instructions not to jump. There is no other explanation. I wonder what the percentage of goal are scored by firing under the wall. Not many I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
541ntees Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Are folk seriously complaing about Zander? Not watched the game yet but there was nothing he could do with any of the goals! Tavs 2 freekicks an Mcginns were plain and simple quality strikes. We were poor today but got to give credit to Rangers today they played well . Are folk surprised Tommy sat back at Ibrox? thats his usual tactics but rangers played better and we never took our chances - on another day we could have scored 4or 5 dave mc and mainstand 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Alston could've headed both free kicks,if he wanted to ,he shat both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 hours ago, RandomGuy said: Its bizarre but no susprise really, hes spent the past 12 months trying to wedge Wotherspoon into the team without any success, I make that four different positions he's had a start in, while Scougall gets punted out of position for a few games then given up on. We all have our favourites, I suppose. It’s up to Scoogs to force his case,if hes not,well I’ll stick with a qualified coaching staff to do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 hours ago, PauloPerth said: We were pish today. A shite team selection and a fair few players putting in poor performances. Been said loads of times already, but throwing in Spoony who hasn't had a good game in six months was just completely random, especially for the player who's been involved in 4 out of our 5 goals this season. Our centre midfield is still nowhere near good enough, as everyone has said since the end of last season. Had an extra player in there and still had little constructive use of the ball or got in challenges in that first half. Absolutely gifted them goals from start to finish. Their midfield and attack are good, but defence are poor. We missed a couple of great chance 1 on 1's thru on goal in the second half when Watt then Swanson put wide so if we'd been a bit more positive from the start then who knows. Agree with earlier comment about Clark, every free kick against us round the box I expect a goal. Thought he was poor today as well as 3 of the 4 defenders. I'd definitely have Ando in ahead of Shaughnessy, he's a far better defender. That was how it used to be years back going to Ibrox and Celtic park, bottling it completely and getting steamrollered from start to finish. Not a massively enjoyable away day to be honest!! So was Ando part of the old days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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