Wendy Saints Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 hours ago, sleepless said: the voice of reason. No wonder he doesn't come on here any more... Thought it was an excellent article and hit the nail squarely on the head. Before anyone accuses me of being one of the ‘happy clappy ‘ fans, I too have watched Saints up and down ALL the divisions, so consider this episode as a blip in an otherwise successful 10 years... we are a team in transition and if anyone deserves time to turns things around it’s Tommy Wright.. for those fans calling for his ‘head’ be careful what you wish for! If we are relegated then we just have to take the good with the bad, hopefully won’t come to that. In the meantime let’s get behind our wee diddy team.. COYS sleepless, Cleveland-Saint, blueheaven and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SconeSaintees Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Well he will have god now's how many years in the Championship to turn it around George Grieve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 We were here few seasons ago finished 8th so do t getting hasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byebyedundee Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 If I was Tommy I’d gracefully resign and tell the fans thx for the best time ever and be quite clear that I’ve done all I could he’ll get the fans respect rather than get sacked and Brown goes and gets Ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 Tommy is only part of the problem. Our recruiting over the summer was bad and very late. The players are a major part of the problem. IF we bring in a new manager, he will inherit Tommy's players and he too will not be able to turn our imature and inexperienced back four into a defensive unit. He will not be able to turn May into a loan striker but he can play 2 up front. Steve Clarke has the same problem with Scotland if you do not have the players you will not succeed. We do not have the defensive players therefor no matter what manager we bring in he will fail. Tommy will stay because it is not viable to get rid of him and a new manager will not improve the players we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 7 hours ago, saintgscot said: We were here few seasons ago finished 8th so do t getting hasty No we weren't. The last time we opened a season with 9 winless games was 2001/02. Guess what happened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 Make it a mini bus and run the players out of town.spineless , useless bozos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Saint Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, RandomGuy said: No we weren't. The last time we opened a season with 9 winless games was 2001/02. Guess what happened... Didn't Steve Lomas go 14 games without a win, before we beat Ross County, who were on a 40+ winning run. We then embarked on a decent run ourselves. Is it too unrealistic to believe that lightening can strike twice in the same place, or are we just dire on the footballing, management, and coaching, side? Edited October 20, 2019 by Dutch Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dutch Saint said: Didn't Steve Lomas go 14 games without a win, before we beat Ross County, who were on a 40+ winning run. We then embarked on a decent run ourselves. Is it too unrealistic to believe that lightening can strike twice in the same place, or are we just dire on the footballing, management, and coaching, side? Lomas went 12 games without a win until we beat Celtic, but that was over the course of two seasons and including a post split run of fixtures against the top six. We started Lomas' only full season with no wins in 5. We've not started a top flight season with no wins in 9 since 2001/02. Any other winless run has been either after a winning run, of when we're already safe. Starting a season with one sets the tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Johnny B said: Tommy is only part of the problem. Our recruiting over the summer was bad and very late. The players are a major part of the problem. IF we bring in a new manager, he will inherit Tommy's players and he too will not be able to turn our imature and inexperienced back four into a defensive unit. He will not be able to turn May into a loan striker but he can play 2 up front. Steve Clarke has the same problem with Scotland if you do not have the players you will not succeed. We do not have the defensive players therefor no matter what manager we bring in he will fail. Tommy will stay because it is not viable to get rid of him and a new manager will not improve the players we have Tommy has said he has the best squad since he has been here. It is the formation & tactics that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cagey said: Tommy has said he has the best squad since he has been here. It is the formation & tactics that's the problem. Formation and tactics mean nothing when teams just have to thumps ball in the box from a set piece to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny B Posted October 20, 2019 Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, Cagey said: Tommy has said he has the best squad since he has been here. It is the formation & tactics that's the problem. It may be the best attacking midfield squad It cetrtainly is not the best squad Strikers: May, Hendry and Kane Not the best Defense: Tanser, Kerr, Gordon, Ralston, Duffy and Vihmann Not the best. If Tommy thinks this is his best squad he has lost the plot compare it with his Cup winning squad how many are better none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Tommy not afraid for his job. Perhaps he should be. Perhaps that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SconeSaintees Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Wouldn't disagree with that assumption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy rhodes fancy watch Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Cagey said: Tommy not afraid for his job. Perhaps he should be. Perhaps that's the problem. Do you think someone afraid of losing their job performs better? Do you think someone who isn't confident in their own skills and experience is the right man to be St Johnstone manager? blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin saint Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Think we missed an opportunity by not getting Callum Davidson back on board. Anyway good luck at Millwall sir Johnny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, andy rhodes fancy watch said: Do you think someone afraid of losing their job performs better? Do you think someone who isn't confident in their own skills and experience is the right man to be St Johnstone manager? I think it is complacent & arrogant for a man who has got our team in this position to say he isn't worried about his job. What has he seen that we haven't since January 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, dublin saint said: Think we missed an opportunity by not getting Callum Davidson back on board. Anyway good luck at Millwall sir The dream team that failed at Stoke. Good luck to Callum anyway. Has that scuppered Steve's plan B ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Cagey said: I think it is complacent & arrogant for a man who has got our team in this position to say he isn't worried about his job. What has he seen that we haven't since January 2019. What, exactly, are you expecting him to come out and say? What message does he send to his players if he comes out and says he shite scared of losing his job because theyve not been performing? Massive pressure on the players as it is, let's heap more onto them, as that's how everyone works best. templeofsaints and blueheaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Strasser Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 If Tommy manages to extricate us from the situation we are in now it will be a bigger achievement than winning the cup. We are not playing as a team nd have an inexperienced defence which are a bombscare with zero confidence throughout the team. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Cagey said: I think it is complacent & arrogant for a man who has got our team in this position to say he isn't worried about his job. What has he seen that we haven't since January 2019. I think what he said was that he could not afford to worry every night about his job or he would be a wreck and unable to do what he was wanting to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, dublin saint said: Think we missed an opportunity by not getting Callum Davidson back on board. Anyway good luck at Millwall sir I spoke to his old kit manager at Stoke a few months ago who thought he would always be going back down south, it was just a case of waiting until the right job came up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, mainstand said: I spoke to his old kit manager at Stoke a few months ago who thought he would always be going back down south, it was just a case of waiting until the right job came up. Yeah but Millwall looks like desperation. Never mind ,good pay off in a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Obviously he's going to say that he's not afraid of losing his job. It would be crazy to say anything other. A lot might depend on how much left he has on his contract, and therefore how much it would cost. Even at this stage, the other options aren't very appealing. Gary Holt is the only option that I think could do a good job. Otherwise it's relegation with McCall, Coyle, etc. etc. Let's stick with Tommy instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callander saint Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Linky said: Obviously he's going to say that he's not afraid of losing his job. It would be crazy to say anything other. A lot might depend on how much left he has on his contract, and therefore how much it would cost. Even at this stage, the other options aren't very appealing. Gary Holt is the only option that I think could do a good job. Otherwise it's relegation with McCall, Coyle, etc. etc. Let's stick with Tommy instead. What about Jack Ross ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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