Saint Paul Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Johnny B said: Did we have enough money to sign May and and experienced defender? Surely, after releasing Foster, we did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Johnny B said: Did we have enough money to sign May and and experienced defender? Well we apparently had enough to bring in Vihmann, who Tommy apparently already has no faith in, and since then we've released Foster (as Saint Paul mentions), so to me that doesn't seem like the best management of the personnel situation at the back. Looking back I'd say there are a few different mistakes/bad judgement calls that have been made with the defence... The belief that an inexperienced Kerr-Gordon partnership would be good enough, following the departure of Shaughnessy. It's interesting that if you look back to when Shaughnessy's impending departure became public, people on here were calling out for those two to become our first choice pairing. That now seems very naive to me. Sending Ando back out on loan - it feels like, if he was still here, he'd probably be back in the team now. Besides, he's surely the experienced head that Kerr and Gordon would benefit from learning from. Why was Vihmann signed? Tommy said he'd watched him several times and was excited to get him. Now he can't get near the starting line-up even when Gordon is injured. How can Tommy's opinion of him have changed so dramatically in such a short space of time? Was a bad judgement made when scouting him, or has a rash judgement been made in dropping him? Either way, it feels like a really badly thought out piece of business. If only there was another Duberry/Kernaghan/Mackay/Wright/Weir out there who could come in and take charge of the defence. I think Tommy should have seen earlier that we were seriously lacking in that department earlier, and it should have been a bigger priority while the transfer window was still open. I'd also suggest that, regarding the penalty situation, it may have been made worse by constantly changing the penalty taker every time a player misses one. I really don't think that helps. I think we need to work out who our best penalty taker is and stick with them, even if they miss from time to time. Having said all that I'm still 100% behind Tommy and I'm of the opinion that if there is any manager in the world who deserves time to turn things around, it's surely him. HOODLUM65, Bruno Strasser and Coltrane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, blueheaven said: Well we apparently had enough to bring in Vihmann, who Tommy apparently already has no faith in, and since then we've released Foster (as Saint Paul mentions), so to me that doesn't seem like the best management of the personnel situation at the back. Looking back I'd say there are a few different mistakes/bad judgement calls that have been made with the defence... The belief that an inexperienced Kerr-Gordon partnership would be good enough, following the departure of Shaughnessy. It's interesting that if you look back to when Shaughnessy's impending departure became public, people on here were calling out for those two to become our first choice pairing. That now seems very naive to me. Sending Ando back out on loan - it feels like, if he was still here, he'd probably be back in the team now. Besides, he's surely the experienced head that Kerr and Gordon would benefit from learning from. Why was Vihmann signed? Tommy said he'd watched him several times and was excited to get him. Now he can't get near the starting line-up even when Gordon is injured. How can Tommy's opinion of him have changed so dramatically in such a short space of time? Was a bad judgement made when scouting him, or has a rash judgement been made in dropping him? Either way, it feels like a really badly thought out piece of business. If only there was another Duberry/Kernaghan/Mackay/Wright/Weir out there who could come in and take charge of the defence. I think Tommy should have seen earlier that we were seriously lacking in that department earlier, and it should have been a bigger priority while the transfer window was still open. I'd also suggest that, regarding the penalty situation, it may have been made worse by constantly changing the penalty taker every time a player misses one. I really don't think that helps. I think we need to work out who our best penalty taker is and stick with them, even if they miss from time to time. Having said all that I'm still 100% behind Tommy and I'm of the opinion that if there is any manager in the world who deserves time to turn things around, it's surely him. Sorry BH he has had loads of time & transfer window to sort things out. The problems have been there since January . look at the results. Any wins we had were against the likes of Dundee & Brechin. The transfer window was an embarrassment. HertsAgain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, rickardo said: No matter what happens Tommy will never be a failure at this club ,can’t believe you even typed that pish. It is quite clearly a question to the original poster! Anyway if he gets sacked he will have failed, why else would they sack him? Sure he would be the greatest manager Saints will have had but by being sacked you have failed at that point in time. Edited October 24, 2019 by garydavidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Johnny B said: Did we have enough money to sign May and and experienced defender? He was trying to sign Gallacher from Livi but he turned us down for Motherwell. Edited October 24, 2019 by garydavidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickardo Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Pat McGroin said: This does have the potential of going a bit “Arsene Wenger”. Success and failure isn’t a constant, if his team sends us down, I’d say he finished his spell here as a failure. Maybe finish as a failure if he gets sacked granted ,but I was replying to his time here in general. I think it’s down right disrespectful to say the most successful manager in our whole history a ‘failure ‘ but hey ho that’s maybe false loyalty in my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) We are in a hole at the moment, give the present incumbent(s) the opportunity to get us out of it. Keep the faith. Edited October 24, 2019 by GMac Spelling error HOODLUM65 and sixties saintee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Cagey said: Sorry BH he has had loads of time & transfer window to sort things out. The problems have been there since January . look at the results. Any wins we had were against the likes of Dundee & Brechin. The transfer window was an embarrassment. We did pretty well after the split last season and 7th is an acceptable place in the league to finish, so I wouldn't say his "time to turn it round" started last season. Agree with you about the transfer window but surely you wouldn't put that down as being entirely the manager's fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 cristo and blueheaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, rik2304 said: Is this the highlights form tonight’s match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 8:05 AM, RandomGuy said: No we weren't. The last time we opened a season with 9 winless games was 2001/02. Guess what happened... As I said few seasons ago we maybe won before now but we’re still bottom of the league but looking better now. blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 7 hours ago, saintgscot said: but we’re still bottom of the league but looking better now. We're 8th? dunkeldneil and HOODLUM65 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgscot Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 7:16 AM, RandomGuy said: We're 8th? as I said looking better now as in not bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cristo Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Remember when every time a manager parted company with his club we were worried they might come in for TW. Then he never got a mention. Hearts job? No chance. Hibs job? hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, cristo said: Remember when every time a manager parted company with his club we were worried they might come in for TW. Then he never got a mention. Hearts job? No chance. Hibs job? hmmm. Stephen Robinson favourite for both jobs. Tommy has only been mentioned for the Arabs job in all the time he has been here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, cristo said: Remember when every time a manager parted company with his club we were worried they might come in for TW. Then he never got a mention. Hearts job? No chance. Hibs job? hmmm. Rumour is Jack Ross to Hibs. Would the ‘Well job tempt Tommy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SconeSaintees Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Heard Hibs are keen on Michael O'Neill, if that happened think Tommy would be favourite for the NI job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy rhodes fancy watch Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Michael O'Neill s on a million a year for a part time job, not a hope in hell Hibs would tempt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 9:33 AM, andy rhodes fancy watch said: Michael O'Neill s on a million a year for a part time job, not a hope in hell Hibs would tempt him. Strong mumblings that! MON is on his way to Stoke city though who I would imagine, money wise could tempt him so the NI job mat still be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 Some Tommy may actually need a taxi but not in the way the original poster intended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 Just been announced. O’Neil to Stoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belfastsaintee Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 Stephen Robinson to NI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, belfastsaintee said: Stephen Robinson to NI? Says he doesn’t want it yet apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 hours ago, belfastsaintee said: Stephen Robinson to NI? TW being reported as the "clear front runner". If he offered it, which seems likely, then hes taking it. Not a single doubt about that in my mind. This is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, RandomGuy said: TW being reported as the "clear front runner". If he offered it, which seems likely, then hes taking it. Not a single doubt about that in my mind. This is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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