Havana Saint 690 Report post Posted February 20 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47313458 Inept refereeing, poisonous sectarianism at Ibrox tonight... Just another day in Scottish football. Pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sixties saintee 1,640 Report post Posted February 21 Hopefully they will charge Steve Clarke over his comments, lets get this can o worms opened up once and for all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garydavidson 1,320 Report post Posted February 21 27 minutes ago, sixties saintee said: Hopefully they will charge Steve Clarke over his comments, lets get this can o worms opened up once and for all. Charge Steve Clarke? That would be their normal solution to dealing with sectarian abuse. The only solution is to take points off clubs - it is the only way you will see it stamped out of football grounds. It is a far deeper problem in society unfortunately. 1 nickyg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sixties saintee 1,640 Report post Posted February 21 14 minutes ago, garydavidson said: Charge Steve Clarke? That would be their normal solution to dealing with sectarian abuse. The only solution is to take points off clubs - it is the only way you will see it stamped out of football grounds. It is a far deeper problem in society unfortunately. Agree wae what your saying GD, but got to start somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garydavidson 1,320 Report post Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, sixties saintee said: Agree wae what your saying GD, but got to start somewhere. I would still think that charging Clarke won't encourage others to speak against the abuse in the future. When you look at the comments on twitter it is shows the sort of issue - Both sets of fans just point and blame the other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cagey 1,787 Report post Posted February 21 1 hour ago, garydavidson said: I would still think that charging Clarke won't encourage others to speak against the abuse in the future. When you look at the comments on twitter it is shows the sort of issue - Both sets of fans just point and blame the other. Mr Sutherland will get Pelter's for that I would imagine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dunblanemike 137 Report post Posted February 21 Scottish clubs voted against introducing strict liability back in 2013, claiming it was a step too far (docking points, closing stands etc). Time to have another vote I reckon. 3 sixties saintee, Havana Saint and south inch reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Havana Saint 690 Report post Posted February 21 We need to agree that sectarianism is first and foremost Anti-Catholicism. Scotland has been a country who historically has not welcomed Irish Catholics. "Catholics need not apply" was commonly written in job adverts. In 2019, the Catholic community has had to put up with appalling abuse and singing from certain "fans". Orange marches past churches are still happening in this country in 2019. It's almost an accepted social norm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMac 256 Report post Posted February 21 It needs to be rooted out, whoever it is directed toward, believers of faith, non believers ,I could go on and on with a list. It is a poison which blights our society and not welcome in a modern Scotland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ejksjfc 652 Report post Posted February 21 4 hours ago, Havana Saint said: We need to agree that sectarianism is first and foremost Anti-Catholicism. Scotland has been a country who historically has not welcomed Irish Catholics. "Catholics need not apply" was commonly written in job adverts. In 2019, the Catholic community has had to put up with appalling abuse and singing from certain "fans". Orange marches past churches are still happening in this country in 2019. It's almost an accepted social norm. I cant agree that sectarianism is anti-Catholicism it is every bit as reprehensible coming from "catholic" septic fans as it is from the other cheek of the same arse. I do however agree with the rest of your post. I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garydavidson 1,320 Report post Posted February 21 41 minutes ago, ejksjfc said: I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. I will need to have a look back at what was said at the time but I don't think clubs were happy with how it would be implemented and how punishments were to be handed out. There are a lot of conditions and situations to consider it's use and I guess that is the sticking point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cagey 1,787 Report post Posted February 21 3 hours ago, ejksjfc said: I cant agree that sectarianism is anti-Catholicism it is every bit as reprehensible coming from "catholic" septic fans as it is from the other cheek of the same arse. I do however agree with the rest of your post. I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. As Steve Clark says it has roots in the west coast Most of these guys don't know why they have each others. It is down to they have each other because of what club or religious cult you follow. The sooner they move down south or to Europe the better. 1 MySpazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nickyg 78 Report post Posted February 22 Points deduction is perhaps the best idea reckon 10 points for incidents like the Steve Clarke one for starters, 15 for a second offence and so on. Make it so draconian the offenders will shit themselves. 1 MySpazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MySpazz 1,038 Report post Posted February 22 He mentions Alex Dyer, who I was kitman for at his job before Killie............one classy classy guy. He mentions his kids in England. I have had the luxury of avoiding sectarianism, and whenever I hear it I am kinda fascinated by the people, how they ACTUALLY believe it. I look and listen to it, like Clarke says, like i would a racist, with sympathy for the dead head that's operating the mouth. Scotland to have any hope of success in sport or as a nation needs rid of that garbage. As someone above posted, I too vote for getting the OF to fk out of the league, let them go to England. Without the OF so much sectarianism would evaporate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
south inch 609 Report post Posted February 22 10 hours ago, Cagey said: As Steve Clark says it has roots in the west coast Most of these guys don't know why they have each others. It is down to they have each other because of what club or religious cult you follow. The sooner they move down south or to Europe the better. Fair point but don't forget if they move south they will still be playing in Glasgow. You can just see a revised format for Sportscene, an hour devoted to the ugly sisters games against Fleetwood and Burton Albion (don't think they will get straight into the Premier or the Championship) followed by a quick 15 minutes run round "Scottish football today". Fortunately, I do not think the Sassenachs will touch them with the proverbial barge pole. Strict liability, imposed if necessary, is the only answer. There would not have been a cheap out of the Sevco boys on Wednesday if they were at risk of being kicked out of the cup. 1 Cagey reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
541ntees 637 Report post Posted February 22 The police can do something about cyber bullying so why don’t they do something about every idiot who posts on these forums and social media? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Havana Saint 690 Report post Posted February 22 17 hours ago, MySpazz said: He mentions Alex Dyer, who I was kitman for at his job before Killie............one classy classy guy. He mentions his kids in England. I have had the luxury of avoiding sectarianism, and whenever I hear it I am kinda fascinated by the people, how they ACTUALLY believe it. I look and listen to it, like Clarke says, like i would a racist, with sympathy for the dead head that's operating the mouth. Scotland to have any hope of success in sport or as a nation needs rid of that garbage. As someone above posted, I too vote for getting the OF to fk out of the league, let them go to England. Without the OF so much sectarianism would evaporate. Steve Clarke has nothing to do with Celtic!! The vile abuse he was subjected to was purely and simply down to the fact that he is a Roman Catholic. That is horrific. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueheaven 1,973 Report post Posted February 26 On 2/22/2019 at 8:56 PM, Havana Saint said: Steve Clarke has nothing to do with Celtic!! The vile abuse he was subjected to was purely and simply down to the fact that he is a Roman Catholic. That is horrific. I'm always fascinated by how these guys even know (or claim to know) people's religions. I have no idea what the religious beliefs are of any footballers in Scotland. Possibly because I don't care. I still remember Paddy Connolly getting booed once when coming on at Ibrox, presumably because his name is Paddy. 1 541ntees reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOODLUM65 2,297 Report post Posted March 27 On 2/21/2019 at 11:42 AM, dunblanemike said: On 2/21/2019 at 11:42 AM, dunblanemike said: Scottish clubs voted against introducing strict liability back in 2013, claiming it was a step too far (docking points, closing stands etc). Time to have another vote I reckon. On 2/21/2019 at 8:29 PM, ejksjfc said: I cant agree that sectarianism is anti-Catholicism it is every bit as reprehensible coming from "catholic" septic fans as it is from the other cheek of the same arse. I do however agree with the rest of your post. I personally don't understand why strict liability is not enforced either willingly by the clubs or otherwise. Only clubs who have something to be ashamed of need suffer. In a recent BBC survey/poll of the 42 senior clubs on "Strict Liability" only 3 clubs wanted it, those being Q-of-S., Annan & Partick. 14 clubs said they would vote against, including Saints. 17 clubs said they were unwilling to comment. 8 clubs failed to respond , among those were Celtic , Hearts & Rangers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indicator 381 Report post Posted March 27 (edited) Saints Response: https://jamesdornanmsp.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/sl109-54207468.pdf Some very valid points IMHO and... at least the club responded to the survey - robustly! (To use a term frequently employed by the current ibrox incumbents) Very telling - those clubs that are the major source of the problems refused to respond at all. Edited March 27 by Indicator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abernethy Saint 2,960 Report post Posted March 27 The problem for the small clubs like Saints is that the chickenshits at the SFA are likely to punish them rather than the two clubs where perhaps 80% of the problems occur, as this excellent article explains as part of a wider discussion of the state of the game in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47697708 2 south inch and Cagey reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
541ntees 637 Report post Posted March 27 I’m still not sure about strict liability what I am sure about is that clubs shouldn’t be voting on it. The sfa/spfl need to grow a set an start making rules about this and forcing the clubs to comply 1 Cagey reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fazman1977 351 Report post Posted April 2 On 3/27/2019 at 12:59 PM, Abernethy Saint said: The problem for the small clubs like Saints is that the chickenshits at the SFA are likely to punish them rather than the two clubs where perhaps 80% of the problems occur, as this excellent article explains as part of a wider discussion of the state of the game in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47697708 too right, they would. you just need to look at heavy handed stewarding telling saints fans to sit down when bigger teams go to grounds and stand up all game with nothing said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
south inch 609 Report post Posted April 2 On 3/27/2019 at 12:59 PM, Abernethy Saint said: The problem for the small clubs like Saints is that the chickenshits at the SFA are likely to punish them rather than the two clubs where perhaps 80% of the problems occur, as this excellent article explains as part of a wider discussion of the state of the game in Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47697708 The only club I can remember having its ground closed for crowd trouble was - wait for it - Huntly FC. Some supporters taking a short cut across the pitch at the end of a game allegedly pushed the referee over. Christie Park was closed for 2 months in punishment. 1 garydavidson reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saintee in exile 106 Report post Posted April 3 St Mirren goalkeeper hit with an object throw from the crowd tonight.Be surprised if anything is done about it, different matter if it was one of the smaller teams responsible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
