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  1. Given the quality of Sidibeh and Keltjens, and to a lesser extent Kimpioka, I have reasonable confidence that if we manage to stay up this season (which I think we will - 10th place), Levein has an eye for a player, and the contacts to ensure we can have a decent squad next season and be more like 7th/8th finishers. We have some high earners whose contracts will be finishing in the summer, and some older players who will be moving on. Both Livi and Ross County are likely to lose their final game before the split (against Hearts and Rangers respectively). We have a really good opportunity at home against Killie to pull 7 points ahead, which would then make it very hard for Ross to catch up.
    9 points
  2. The result was always going to be the most important thing today, and we got it. Huge win! Especially at an away venue against a team who were supposedly on the rise, and with nobody expecting us to get anything. Sidibeh is some boy. I think he makes the whole team better because now they know that they have a teammate on the park who has pace, is a threat and can score. Mitov, back to his excellent self. In fact, the whole side did their jobs well and that's all you can ask at a time like this. It's been a while since I cheered a goal like I did our second. Anyway, we won. So for now, that'll do. It's nice to feel good on a Saturday night again.
    9 points
  3. Hello! Hope this is okay to post. We've recently relaunched Heartland FM, the community radio station in Perthshire, and have started covering St. Johnstone on our Daytime show. We've got regular interviews, courtesy of Saints TV, and chat from McDiarmid Park. We'd love to hear from Saints fans about what they'd like from a radio programme. Thank you.
    8 points
  4. I know there is a lot of negativity around but there is no one on here after 10 games that wouldn’t have taken pre the split to be a sh1tload of points ahead of 12th and 4 above 11th. Great result today.
    8 points
  5. Tony Gallagher. First name on team sheet for me .
    7 points
  6. Gekko

    Time for Levein to go

    Yeah, I agree that Tommy is our best ever. He not only won our first major trophy, but also laid the foundations for future successes. However, I wouldn’t say that Ormond and Totten were too far away from him when it comes to achievements. Ormond is up there, and has the stand named after him, because he managed to create a team that was capable of taking on Rangers and Celtic, at a time when both of them, and maybe even Scottish football as a whole, were arguably at their peak. To finish third in 70/71, above a really strong Rangers side who went on to win the European cup winners cup the next year, is an incredible achievement. Celtic at the time were one of the best teams on the planet, taking on the likes of the then, all conquering Leeds United, along with the rest of Europe's top teams. To be able to hold our own, over the course of a full season, in that kind of company is again, incredible. Totten did an amazing job in turning what was essentially a pub team, into an exciting and successful top league side in just a few years. The football his team played at that time was great as well. None of this well organised nonsense you have these days. It was "get intae them" from start to finish. Moorey, Maskrey and big Roddy at a packed out McDiarmid. Good times.
    7 points
  7. I think history will remember Davidson kindly. 100 years from now, if there's still a St Johnstone, he'll still be known as the manager who won the Double for Saints, long after whatever happened after that has been forgotten about. But he also played a huge part in destroying so many of the elements that had made St Johnstone successful. We're still feeling the repercussions of the damage he did, and it's looking increasingly like we're going to continue feeling them for several more years to come. If we go down, much of the blame for that is going to be at his door. His signing policy was atrocious, he didn't bring through a single youngster, his treatment of some players seemed unfair, he implemented the most turgid and ineffective style of football I'd ever seen at Saints, and he was too arrogant to change his ways when it was obvious he needed to. He also made an absolute pig's ear of probably the best chance this club will ever have of reaching European group stage football. He just completely ruined everything that Tommy Wright had built, and I still find that very hard to deal with.
    7 points
  8. I thought there were both positives and negatives from that performance. The positives, the fact that we were actually attacking. It's been a long time since I've heard the media say "wave after wave of St. Johnstone attacks". This was a far cry from the ultra negative Davidson days. Sidibeh is raw and a bit all over the place, but is great to watch. And as for that goal, excellent! Robbie Savage even mentioned at the start of the 606 phone in on Sunday night. It's good to have somebody in a Saints shirt who gets you excited whenever he gets the ball. Again, it's been a while. Clark still looks a bit rusty, Kimpioka looked good when he came on. Max did okay but we missed Sprangler. If he had been in his normal place, there's a strong possibility that neither Dundee goal would have happened. As for the negatives, like others, I can't fathom out Levein's substitution policy. So many players were showing signs of tiredness with around 30 minutes to go, surely some fresh legs on the pitch would have made a difference. Callum had this reluctance as well and it's so frustrating. Good modern managers can take advantage of the five players you're now able to bring on. And more and more, it seems to be becoming an important part of the game. Levein seems stuck in the old two subs maximum days. This really needs to change going forward. Yes, we don't have the strongest bench, but Kimpioka and May could have been on earlier and even Crawford could have been brought on with ten minutes to go, to hopefully get one of his trademark equalisers or winners. For what it's worth, I thought at the time, and I still do, that the McGowan "goal" should have stood. I'm agreeing with Sportscene pundits for once, the keeper wasn't in control of the ball. I also thought it was already over the line. That's at least four points Dundee have got from us this season because of V.A.R. That would make the current table much different than it is now. And if you add in the Aberdeen game with the Carey goal! Levein frustrates me but if he keeps us up then it's job done. After that, he can be more accurately judged on his team and performances going forward. Dundee by the way I thought were okay, but not nearly as good as some people think. They remind me of what we used to be like, organised and able to somehow get a result when required. Beck makes them look better than they are, but without him, they're not as good as the hype.
    7 points
  9. There was plenty of effort from the players, but lacking so many of the basics. Thought Sidebeh was impressive. He was raw, but he was constantly looking to make things happen and scored an outstanding goal. His attitude towards being a St Johnstone player is also highly refreshing. You can see what it means to him, to have this chance in British football. A few others could learn a lesson from him.
    6 points
  10. I fear for us. Im struggling to see us getting anything from the next two games and think that County have more about them in an attacking sense. Played well for periods in the second half, but you can’t miss chances like we had and then defend so poorly for their winner. Leveins use of subs is just bizarre and has been since his first game. Kirk and Levein stand on the touch line for about 20 minutes discussing things with no action. It was clear that Sidibeh (delighted that he scored and thought he played well at times) was knackered and Kimpioka needed to come on, but they both stood there doing nothing until Sidibeh was pleading to come off. Max is by all accounts a lovely lad, and given his story, we all want him to do well, but it’s clear he is not cut out for this level. Carey should have been on well before he was. Docherty used his subs well, whilst Levein was left wanting. I don’t have any confidence in Leveins ability to turn us around. It’s been a depressing three seasons and I can’t see anything improving soon. Our only hope is that we somehow manage to stay up this season and we get a new owner in who is willing to invest in the squad and make a change of manager. We have so many players who just seem happy to drift through a game and offer absolutely nothing.
    6 points
  11. Can you imagine any other business where hard work, dedication and competence drives standards up, then the customers just accept the acquiescence to how things used to be? Customers would just walk away. Especially if the price of an inferior product was only rising.
    6 points
  12. I personally don't understand this way of thinking. I'll admit I'm a younger fan, but why is it a bad thing to have standards? Should we be winning league titles? Absolutely not, but from 2012/13 to 2020/21 we finished no lower than 8th. 3rd 1x, 6th 1x, 4th 3x, 8th 1x, 7th 2x, 5th 1x. Six times in the top 6. I see that as setting mid-table as a standard which is on the players to uphold, why shouldn't the fans have reasonable expectations given the last 10 years of results?
    6 points
  13. Yep, I really think relegation would be disastrous for us and we could end up stuck in the lower leagues for a long, long time. Just look at what's happened to Hamilton, Partick, ICT, Dunfermline, Falkirk etc. If we went down we could easily find ourselves struggling just as much in the Championship as we have been in the Premiership. For me it's absolutely vital that we keep our place in the top flight, no matter how we do it.
    6 points
  14. I think that is easy forgotten by those that are clearly not CL fans. We would of been dead and buried by now, had we not changed manager. As it stands, he is doing what he has been brought in to do. Get us out of the bottom two and stay in the top league. The transfer window has also seen us sign an absolute gem, that could well be the difference between us staying up or not. I don't agree with all of the managers decisions, but we are certainly in a better place now and the previous window has been a success to me. Great 3 points today. A draw next weekend as a minimum (on top of a County defeat) and we are in a strong position come the split.
    5 points
  15. Aye for me the Totten period was the most memorable in terms of exciting football.There was a great passion for the club from both players and fans that seems lacking these days.Maybe I'm just being nostalgic but i definitely felt more connected to the club than now.The heart and soul of Saints is sorely missing at the present time imo. Think TW was one of our best managers and Davidsons success was off the back of that.I certainly echo BHs previous post that CD although ironically managing us through a double cup win then went on to blow our best chances in Europe and systematically ruin the team and waste millions of pounds on poor players.Just a shame TW was never given this money.Just imagine where we would be now.I still feel pissed off about it tbh
    5 points
  16. blueheaven

    Time for Levein to go

    Agree with all of this, but for me the thing that really puts Wright top of the bunch isn't just the obvious stand-out achievements, but the fact that he sustained us at a high level for year after year. Our other successful periods have petered out relatively quickly (even Ormond's league positions and cup performances were fairly unspectacular outside that one 3rd place finish and European run), but Wright turned us into a club that was comfortable in the top flight and enjoying at least one good cup run pretty much every year. The other thing I loved about Wright was that every single time it looked like things were taking a dip, he'd haul us out of it. We had some bad patches, but I always had faith in him to turn them around, and he always did. And his ability to continually refresh the squad without ever needing to resort to a massive rebuild was almost Alex Ferguson-esque (except Fergie had millions and Wright had a shoestring). Even when we lost Stevie May and he wasn't allowed to use any of the money to sign a striker to replace him, he just got on with things and somehow managed to finish 4th in the league despite only scoring 34 goals all season. That's just incredible.
    5 points
  17. It was around this time last year we jettisoned Davidson and found ourselves away at Killie - a match we ultimitley won to confirm our top league status whilst Killie were left scrambling anxiously late on to avoid the play off game. How things have changed; Killie are on the brink of European football and we find ourselves desperatley trying to keep our head above water. In another quirk of fate the corresponding game in Perth earlier in the season we turned over a buoyant Kilmarnock with stand in manager Alex Cleland managing to bring the best out of our beleagured squad exposing the underlying problemes with the squad with the previous incumbent. Kilmarnock are still playing some nice football and will be a tough side to over come but we go in to this game buoyed by our fine win in Edinburgh last weekend. Three points would be massive for our future aspirations in the Premeir league. Killie have great wide players so I think this might come in to the thinking of the manager when choosing the starting line up. Gordon will start if he's fit and I have a feeling Carey might be in the line up too with Sid up front on his own with Clark in behind. I expect Clark to have a big bearing on this game.
    4 points
  18. Agree we'll probably stick with the winning team or something close to it, but I can't help but feel our midfield could be so much stronger. Gallacher just isn't a winger and Matt Smith has had to shift out to the right in order to let us accommodate Max in the middle. Way too many square pegs in round holes. Personally I feel we'd be much stronger if we stuck with Smith and Phillips in the middle, probably with Carey on the left, and I'd like to see Franczak put on the right as his direct style really benefitted us when he had his spell at RWB.
    4 points
  19. Judging by Saturday they all lack fitness and that's why they lost the second goal. You can excuse lack of skill but not fitness and workrate which is the minimum a club should be looking at and the fact they don't have those qualities must be down to coaching staff. Too late this season now.
    4 points
  20. You'd bracket Connolly with McClelland and MacLean, mistakes that were relatively quickly rectified. Clark, Stark and Davidson weren't necessarily dreadful managers but were allowed to carry on for far too long. Things started going downhill for Clark in the autumn of 2000 and by the spring of 2001 they probably should have been assessing things. Geoff Brown had stepped away from Saints at the time though and I think has said he'd have acted sooner than leaving it until the start of the following season. Like with Davidson, the club were too loyal because of past achievements. I think CD probably earned a chance after Kelty (despite the losing run it was part of) but the 7-0 at Celtic Park should have ended him, the players just weren't playing for him by that point. Stark had a knack of getting a result when he needed it which always seemed to keep our promotion hopes alive, when the reality was that we'd never have the fight to win big games if it really mattered. There was never going to be a benefit to sacking him mid-season though so the missed opportunities were at the end of his first two campaigns. It is hard to compare the first three against the latter three but Stark was clearly worse than Clark and Davidson, by miles, so your worst four in McDiarmid-era are: McClelland, Stark, Connolly and MacLean. I'll let others rank them in order of ineptitude.
    4 points
  21. Was Martindale ever really our first choice of new manager, the fact that only Levein and him were mentioned is a worry as don’t think he’d have been a great fix either. I think every interview he does you can’t take seriously, it’s like he can’t be arsed and in his head I think he thinks he’s amusing. In his very first interview he tried to tell us he was only at the game Cleland took charge of to watch Max and that he nearly left when he realised Max wasn’t playing. Of course he was there because he was invited by Geoff so why make that wee story up. Somewhere in Levein s head he wants us to think at that Tues night game, Geoff Brown looks over and turns to Roddy : “ is that Craig Levein over there ?” Roddy : “ aye I think it is “ Geoff : “ run over and see if he fancies the Manager job, our only other option, Livingston didn’t give us permission to speak to “ Roddy : “ he says he will take it, but only if he can bring some lad called Andy and it will be Andy does all the work, he only wants to mentor Max “
    4 points
  22. On paper levein made a lot of sense at the time, and it's still one I dont think you criticise the club for no matter how it turns out.
    4 points
  23. Does anyone actually still have any faith in Levein? I just can't see a single redeeming feature to sway me from the thought that he's been an absolutely calamitous appointment, completely wrong for the club, barely giving a sh*t, and when he eventually goes he'll just give a shrug of the shoulders, have a laugh about it with his mates on the radio, and wander into another media job without a care in the world while we're left in an absolute mess. Couldn't help but notice the contrast in body language between Docherty and Levein on the touchline yesterday. Docherty enthusiastic, encouraging, wanting to be involved in everything. That job is huge to him. Levein, on the other hand: relaxed, casual, hands in pockets while his team falls to yet another defeat. Couldn't even be arsed to bring on a substitute for a player who was literally sitting on the ground during the game. Oh for the days when our club had the nous and the foresight to go for hungry, up-and-coming managers who actually saw the Saints job as a big opportunity and had a point to prove.
    4 points
  24. Jesus is rising early!
    4 points
  25. Is it just me, or has nicky clark been somewhat invisible last couple of games
    3 points
  26. I can confirm that all of the above is putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. Not remotely true.
    3 points
  27. Win a game he’s a hero. Lose a couple of games people want him sacked. Just the way it is these days.
    3 points
  28. We won away and we scored two goals. Gordon was not playing. Just saying...
    3 points
  29. He definitely was crap though.
    3 points
  30. I wanted to be positive about Levein and give him a chance but for me it just never sat well and he's turned out to be completely the wrong fit for the club. I don't really buy into it making a lot of sense at the time. Bringing him back to this level was a big gamble. He made a big mess of his last stint at Hearts, it's a very long time since he was a success at our level and bringing Kirk with him meant putting a Highland League manager in charge of a Premiership club's training. I still think back to those opening interviews he gave, where he didn't mention Saints at all, expressed no excitement for the job or opportunity, and just said he came because Geoff asked him and he likes the people here. He just seemed way too relaxed about the whole thing, and he still does. Is he hungry for this job and does he understand the ambitions of St Johnstone? There would have been younger, hungrier, more ambitious managers absolutely desperate for the chance to come to this club. I wonder how many of those guys Geoff Brown even spoke to? Compare Levein to everything we know about Derek McInnes - the attitude, the work he puts in, the strategy he has. That's someone running a club that should be one of our close competitors in this league, and I just don't think Levein comes even close to matching him. That's why clubs like Killie (and Dundee) have overtaken us when they never should have. All of this has just been so annoyingly avoidable.
    3 points
  31. They have only fully sold out one section behind the goal. Still tickets available at both side of the goal and in the main stand. Thought they would have sold much more by now. Good to read that Saints have given away 1,500 tickets to schools and community groups for tomorrow
    3 points
  32. The "you're clearly a young fan who's spoiled by success" line is the shite we got from older fans who happily seal clapped while Callum Davidson and Ian Flaherty drove us into the ground losing almost £2m over a year. I can't see that type of comment now without assuming the next comment is along the lines of claiming anyone under 20 isn't a real fan because they've never experienced the 3rd tier or lower.
    3 points
  33. Knowing what Saints are like when it comes to selling players, probably a very small one. That's why I'd rather we just held onto him for another year. I think another full season of having a goalkeeper as good as that is worth a lot more to us than the £200,000 or whatever it would be we'd end up selling him for. I wonder if there's a chance Celtic might show an interest in him.
    3 points
  34. 3 points
  35. I know there's always the chance of taking a hammering at Celtic Park or Ibrox no matter what we do (far, far better Saints teams have gone there and lost by more goals), but our team just feels so flat, unmotivated and poorly organised at the moment, and that's a big worry regardless of the opponent. I've no problem with us playing one up front as it can be effective if done well (we basically won two cups and qualified for Europe with one player up front - ironically a player who is still ours but apparently surplus to requirements), but what was the actual plan yesterday? Our five defenders just camped out on our own 18 yard line and invited them to come at us. Celtic just had to bide their time and wait for us to crack. On our part there was no pressing, no pressure on the ball, no one looking to have a go. Why do we never go to places like this and press them any more? Is it a fitness issue? Sidibeh did everything he could up front but honestly, what did Levein expect him to do? Outpace the Celtic defence and beat two or three men on his own? Seriously, we need to have a better plan than that. I've been saying this for years now but I really feel Stevie May would bring a lot to our midfield, especially in games like this one. He tracks back, he breaks forward, he tries to force opponents into making mistakes, he's the only guy who seems to move when we have the ball. He'd bring way more energy to our midfield than Carey (for example) does. Levein himself sounds like a defeated man in his interviews: as flat and out of ideas as the team, and way too quick to criticise the players when perhaps it's his own approach that is the real problem. I'm sorry to say that I just have absolutely no faith in him at all. Whether we stay up or not, I want a fresh approach for next season.
    3 points
  36. Please, please, remind us how bad it was 50 years ago and how thats our level. The 3rd most successful club in Scotland over the past decade with a turnover of over £12m, and a group of older fans still think we're a part time outfit dreaming of the top flight. Times change, and you should probably remember the mindset that dragged us out that shiteheap and moved things upwards. It certainly wasn't "what do you expect? We're a wee diddy outfit who are lucky to even share a park with top flight sides".
    3 points
  37. I been happy clapping since the sixties. . seen some shit displays ,some no bad and some braw. i don’t live in the last 1o years of success. Get real . sjfc
    3 points
  38. Absolutely. Imagine what would happen to Carey if he tried to speak to Ando, Fraz, Cuptie or Eastie the way he speaks to Robinson or Sprangler. I really really don’t want St Johnstone to get relegated. I really really dislike the quality, personality and heart of so many players in this current squad.
    3 points
  39. Livingston put their shitters up them a week ago and scored twice. We didnt manage a shot on target until 3-1 in the 81st minute. Celtic played so well because they had nonstop attacking opportunities and there was absolutely no pressure on them at any point. Just players continously backing off. Accepting shite like that and giving players/managers a pass for it is more likely to result in relegation than saying its not good enough. We've accepted half hearted shite for far too long under this pathetic attitude we can't do any better.
    3 points
  40. Keep on happy clapping champ. I wasn’t expecting anything because I know how gutless this side is. We can at least attempt to score a goal rather than planting 11 men behind the ball against a celtic side that have struggled recently. I love how people start to question if someone is a fan if they complain about a result. What condescending pish, what qualifies you to decide who is or isn’t a fan?
    3 points
  41. If he was a race horse head get a bullet to put him and us out of our misery.
    3 points
  42. Was it "better" because we played better, or because Dundee scored after 6 minutes and were then happy to sit on that and watch us pass sideways of hump the ball out for the rest of the match? Almost 60 minutes against a side letting us have the ball and Clarks chance in the first half the only one that was actually created from build up play? Goal comes from nothing really. Then Dundee decide to bother again and score with their first chance. Really struggle to take a single positive from the game. Poor shape, poor subs, poor attacking play, poor defensive play. What was actually good about it?
    2 points
  43. No chance for Sprangler I reckon. We really do need to try and win this though. Make a statement, Levein FFS.
    2 points
  44. What do you think Saints should have done? The article says we made previous attempts to keep him. It's highly likely his agent would have been advising him to wait and see what other offers come along. And really, why would he want to commit his future to Saints when we could easily be playing in the Championship next season? Even if we stay up, playing for Saints doesn't exactly look like it's a lot of fun these days. This time next year it'll be Mitov we'll be facing up to losing, unless there's a plan to cash in on him this summer.
    2 points
  45. We'll really miss the zero goals and assists we get from Phillips IMO.
    2 points
  46. sixties saintee

    The Split

    But you gotta score goals
    2 points
  47. The place is rotten and needs gutted.
    2 points
  48. Enjoyed him not getting a simple pass and us losing the ball, just to see him twirling around jumping up and down stamping his feet like a literal child while Celtic pressed onto our defence. Theres so few players in this squad who'll be able to cope with any sort of high intensity play off game.
    2 points
  49. I remember they planted trees in the 70’s along the front of Bell’s to honour local sports people. My dad had one for boxing.
    2 points