Strawman

The Steering group seemed to be picked very quickly, Ian Flaherty started off by saying that the first 4 weren’t hand picked by Saints but didn’t really elaborate how they were picked, there was no question they were all staying though and 4 were to be added. 
 
It was then a case of put your hand up if you were interested in joining, 5 hands went up, there was talk of a vote but then Tom Welsh ( who seems to be in charge of the steering group but nobody explained who he was, I m presuming just a fan )  just seemed to decide all 5 could join.
I cant really moan as I had opportunity but didn’t want to join myself, as did everyone in the room, one thing that did strike me though, there probably should have been more of an effort made to get a lady on the group or one of the younger lads, again though I was there and didn’t voice this at the time so……
My understanding from what was said is that all the steering groups meetings are open to everyone anyway to attend so maybe not that much of an issue.

Ian Flaherty opened the meeting talking about the Rangers game, he mentioned being open and honest, nothing to hide, offered assurances that things would be done different in future but didn’t really mention what.
I can’t make my mind up if him fronting everyone almost on his own was a very clever move or an accident that worked. At times I thought he came across as a guy out of his depth and didn’t have the knowledge needed for that job, I think it did mea though that he didn’t get as hard a time as he perhaps would have had the board been all there.
The room did seem to accept his explanation that they got it wrong very easily though and to be honest, thinking about it, he finished up his opening bit by saying that they will always do what’s in the best interests of St Johnstone, from what he said, that could mean giving up the East Stand and raising prices again, the only assurance is it will be run past the steering group in future and communicated that way, doesn’t mean they won’t do it.
Roddy seemed to be the one most up for a fight, he seems very against lowering prices in particular, according to him the Hibs fans complained a lot about the £5 games as it devalued season tickets ( not something I saw mentioned on social media by any Hibs fans ) . It didn’t sound like we should expect a reduced price game for the Hibs game in return anyway.
 

How much is the club worth, do we know an asking price, I ve seen various rumours of x million but genuinely no idea what it would take to buy the club.
As fans, could we even come close to selling enough shares to buy it, again no idea.
What I do know is I d happily buy shares in the club if the opportunity arose, obviously depending on price but if for example they were in £1000 blocks, I would be interested in investing maybe 2k. I think many others would as well, the big question though is there anywhere near enough of us.
What I d love to see is Geoff selling maybe 80% of the club to someone and giving smaller investors ie us the fans the chance to buy small stakes and own the 20% between us.

So what happened yesterday why the club see fit to warn us about our conduct ?
I sit towards middle of East Stand and saw nothing untoward at all.
I entered the car park on foot as I do most games from the crematorium side of the ground gate, from what I could see, Celtic fans were not corralled into 3 lines and subjected to being searched as I was when I got round to East Stand, why is that ?
Once again the Crematorium grounds were taken over as an unofficial Celtic fans carpark and a park they could enjoy a drink in as well,surely that can’t be acceptable, possibly not Saints fault but why don’t the council or whoever runs the Crematorium do something about it.

Good as the FCU have been recently, they are not representative of the Saints support as a whole, nor should they be and I ll be honest, I find it slightly worrying that they were informed by Saints in advance of the ticket situation for the Rangers game recently while nobody else was. 
If I was a teenager again then yes, I d be there with them but as a bloke in his 50s who for numerous reason prefers to sit to watch football these days then I ll leave them to it. Not knocking them at all, I think they re great but I d rather watch them from a distance rather than be in the middle.
I had a chat with Ian Flaherty about this, particularly for away games where we know we have plenty room, why can’t the club or opposition club say, this part of the away section will be seated, this part will be standing, then I can make my choice, if the seated section was sold out then I can decide not to go. His answer was that every club have an obligation to find you a seat you can sit and watch the game from, I have to inform a steward if not happy, now for one I’m not going to do that and create a fuss but two, is he honestly saying that if I d bought a ticket in the East Stand on Saturday supporting Rangers where the entire stand was standing, then spoke to a steward, I d have been found a seat to watch the game from.
Saints need the FCU, but they also need all fans and a Supporters Trust is the way  forward, representative of our entire support. I think the recent “ boycott “ which as we all know wasn’t a boycott because it wasn’t organised, just individual Saints fans deciding enough was enough, but it did sow the power we could have. Obviously I know the FCU didn’t go and thought the fireworks etc in the 20th minute to show twenty’s plenty were fantastic. Most fans my age and older didn’t go either but were quieter about it but the club will have noticed the lack of revenue and hopefully taken note.
I think it needs a completely new club/trust/whatever you call it, something that represents the fans of all ages, the people who want to travel by bus, the folk who like taking cars, the fans who no longer live in Perth but will still travel both home and away under their own steam.
This is the problem though, it takes time, organisation, money, I d happily pay a monthly fee, I d have no wish personally to be the person doing the representing and sitting on the board. It will be a tough gig for whoever did do it as well as there’s no way everyone would all be happy.
During the recent Rangers Cup ticket crap, and while I think Bev is so helpful and amazing whenever I ve dealt with her, the role of SLO was very quiet during the whole time. I and many many others missed what would have been the first home game in Scottish cup for 25/30 maybe years, I ve had zero contact from the club though, I can only presume they just don’t care. I know Bev can’t phone everyone etc but when on Twitter I see her retweet how to buy tickets 2 days before the game and that s her only comment it’s clear she’s just taken the clubs stance rather than the supports. I also understand it’s the club pays her wages though and I also do things at work I don’t necessarily agree with.  A supporters trust representative though not in the employment of the club can say much more.

Good as the FCU have been recently, they are not representative of the Saints support as a whole, nor should they be and I ll be honest, I find it slightly worrying that they were informed by Saints in advance of the ticket situation for the Rangers game recently while nobody else was. 
If I was a teenager again then yes, I d be there with them but as a bloke in his 50s who for numerous reason prefers to sit to watch football these days then I ll leave them to it. Not knocking them at all, I think they re great but I d rather watch them from a distance rather than be in the middle.
I had a chat with Ian Flaherty about this, particularly for away games where we know we have plenty room, why can’t the club or opposition club say, this part of the away section will be seated, this part will be standing, then I can make my choice, if the seated section was sold out then I can decide not to go. His answer was that every club have an obligation to find you a seat you can sit and watch the game from, I have to inform a steward if not happy, now for one I’m not going to do that and create a fuss but two, is he honestly saying that if I d bought a ticket in the East Stand on Saturday supporting Rangers where the entire stand was standing, then spoke to a steward, I d have been found a seat to watch the game from.
Saints need the FCU, but they also need all fans and a Supporters Trust is the way  forward, representative of our entire support. I think the recent “ boycott “ which as we all know wasn’t a boycott because it wasn’t organised, just individual Saints fans deciding enough was enough, but it did sow the power we could have. Obviously I know the FCU didn’t go and thought the fireworks etc in the 20th minute to show twenty’s plenty were fantastic. Most fans my age and older didn’t go either but were quieter about it but the club will have noticed the lack of revenue and hopefully taken note.
I think it needs a completely new club/trust/whatever you call it, something that represents the fans of all ages, the people who want to travel by bus, the folk who like taking cars, the fans who no longer live in Perth but will still travel both home and away under their own steam.
This is the problem though, it takes time, organisation, money, I d happily pay a monthly fee, I d have no wish personally to be the person doing the representing and sitting on the board. It will be a tough gig for whoever did do it as well as there’s no way everyone would all be happy.
During the recent Rangers Cup ticket crap, and while I think Bev is so helpful and amazing whenever I ve dealt with her, the role of SLO was very quiet during the whole time. I and many many others missed what would have been the first home game in Scottish cup for 25/30 maybe years, I ve had zero contact from the club though, I can only presume they just don’t care. I know Bev can’t phone everyone etc but when on Twitter I see her retweet how to buy tickets 2 days before the game and that s her only comment it’s clear she’s just taken the clubs stance rather than the supports. I also understand it’s the club pays her wages though and I also do things at work I don’t necessarily agree with.  A supporters trust representative though not in the employment of the club can say much more.

Good as the FCU have been recently, they are not representative of the Saints support as a whole, nor should they be and I ll be honest, I find it slightly worrying that they were informed by Saints in advance of the ticket situation for the Rangers game recently while nobody else was. 
If I was a teenager again then yes, I d be there with them but as a bloke in his 50s who for numerous reason prefers to sit to watch football these days then I ll leave them to it. Not knocking them at all, I think they re great but I d rather watch them from a distance rather than be in the middle.
I had a chat with Ian Flaherty about this, particularly for away games where we know we have plenty room, why can’t the club or opposition club say, this part of the away section will be seated, this part will be standing, then I can make my choice, if the seated section was sold out then I can decide not to go. His answer was that every club have an obligation to find you a seat you can sit and watch the game from, I have to inform a steward if not happy, now for one I’m not going to do that and create a fuss but two, is he honestly saying that if I d bought a ticket in the East Stand on Saturday supporting Rangers where the entire stand was standing, then spoke to a steward, I d have been found a seat to watch the game from.
Saints need the FCU, but they also need all fans and a Supporters Trust is the way  forward, representative of our entire support. I think the recent “ boycott “ which as we all know wasn’t a boycott because it wasn’t organised, just individual Saints fans deciding enough was enough, but it did sow the power we could have. Obviously I know the FCU didn’t go and thought the fireworks etc in the 20th minute to show twenty’s plenty were fantastic. Most fans my age and older didn’t go either but were quieter about it but the club will have noticed the lack of revenue and hopefully taken note.
I think it needs a completely new club/trust/whatever you call it, something that represents the fans of all ages, the people who want to travel by bus, the folk who like taking cars, the fans who no longer live in Perth but will still travel both home and away under their own steam.
This is the problem though, it takes time, organisation, money, I d happily pay a monthly fee, I d have no wish personally to be the person doing the representing and sitting on the board. It will be a tough gig for whoever did do it as well as there’s no way everyone would all be happy.
During the recent Rangers Cup ticket crap, and while I think Bev is so helpful and amazing whenever I ve dealt with her, the role of SLO was very quiet during the whole time. I and many many others missed what would have been the first home game in Scottish cup for 25/30 maybe years, I ve had zero contact from the club though, I can only presume they just don’t care. I know Bev can’t phone everyone etc but when on Twitter I see her retweet how to buy tickets 2 days before the game and that s her only comment it’s clear she’s just taken the clubs stance rather than the supports. I also understand it’s the club pays her wages though and I also do things at work I don’t necessarily agree with.  A supporters trust representative though not in the employment of the club can say much more.

If you look under the Supporters Clubs section of this site you'll see we used to have quite a lot of different supporters clubs, but I don't know how many of them are actually still active. The club seems to consider the FCU a supporters club these days. There used to be the 208 and Dunkeld Road clubs who ran buses to away games. I've no idea if either of those two clubs actually still exist in any form.
What Saints fans could actually benefit from is a Supporters Trust, which is a bit different. It would be a proper body who would raise funds with the aim of getting an actual seat on the board for a supporters representative. If the worst came to the worst with the ownership situation it would also give the supporters a route into fan ownership. A lot of clubs have these but Saints fans have never really been motivated to do it as our ownership's been so stable for such a long time.
I'm a member of a Supporters Trust for a non-league club in England. I pay an annual membership fee and in return I get to vote on the Trust's position on major issues, which is then represented at board level (it also gives me benefits like priority for tickets for bigger games). The plan is for the whole football club's ownership to eventually be handed over to the Trust. The Trust also plays a part in raising funds for the club, selling merchandise, etc.
There's an interesting blog here by Alastair Blair about the Saints ownership situation and whether fan/community ownership might be an option.
Info on supporters trusts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supporters'_trust
https://thefsa.org.uk/fan-resources/resource-training/supporters-trusts-training-resource/setting-up-a-new-supporters-trust/

I am really struggling to get my head round the complete disinterest from the club on this.
Be it Ian Flaherty, Roddy Grant, Steve Brown ……… anyone , it feels like it must be 75% of our fans, maybe more are not attending this game and the club are doing nothing to address the situation.
My first ever Scottish Cup tie was Whitehill Welfare at home in the 80s and I might have missed one since but I can’t think of one I ve missed since apart from the Covid year. Had to get a ticket in wrong end for Inverness Caledonian before they merged with Th.
Theres just zero effort being made to communicate with fans, I know it’s been said 100 times already but it’s total disbelief to me that they are relying on leaked emails to other fans to communicate with us.
They have the info, they can see who normally attends and can see who hasn’t bought tickets, even at this late stage, some kind of apology that they ve got this wrong and a willingness to show things will improve would see a lot of us buy tickets I m sure.
For me it’s actually gone beyond the price rise, and the moving to main stand, it’s now more the way they ve dealt with it. As soon as they stopped treating us like fans and like customers then it’s interesting that a lot of us thought like customers and voted by not buying tickets. I keep hearing it’s because the club has to run like a business, well what business can afford to take the risk of pissing off 75 % ish of their normal customer base.
Right now I doubt Saints will make any more money than they would have by leaving us in the East Stand as it doesn’t look like being a sell out crowd and they’ve caused so much bad feeling. I m presuming it was the young lads put the banner up, I know guys in their 60s refusing to go who would normally, this is across our entire support.
If it was being run like a business, you’d try to address the situation, why the silence ?
I fail to see how the club continues with Flaherty there but I ve no idea if that’s unfair, how much it’s his fault, how often he’s even at the club I ve no idea. Sometimes it feels like nobody works at the club, maybe that’s part of the problem, is Ian Flaherty full time or two afternoons a week , I dunno.
I just feel someone needs to try build a bridge although I fear it’s been left to long now to have any change to Saturday, I know there’s nothing the club can now do re stands and pricing, that ship sailed as soon as they first announced it. They didn’t have to let it cause this much bad feeling.
I was at Jeanfield Swifts Scottish Cup tie with Brechin City so have at least seen a Scottish cup game this season.

I am really struggling to get my head round the complete disinterest from the club on this.
Be it Ian Flaherty, Roddy Grant, Steve Brown ……… anyone , it feels like it must be 75% of our fans, maybe more are not attending this game and the club are doing nothing to address the situation.
My first ever Scottish Cup tie was Whitehill Welfare at home in the 80s and I might have missed one since but I can’t think of one I ve missed since apart from the Covid year. Had to get a ticket in wrong end for Inverness Caledonian before they merged with Th.
Theres just zero effort being made to communicate with fans, I know it’s been said 100 times already but it’s total disbelief to me that they are relying on leaked emails to other fans to communicate with us.
They have the info, they can see who normally attends and can see who hasn’t bought tickets, even at this late stage, some kind of apology that they ve got this wrong and a willingness to show things will improve would see a lot of us buy tickets I m sure.
For me it’s actually gone beyond the price rise, and the moving to main stand, it’s now more the way they ve dealt with it. As soon as they stopped treating us like fans and like customers then it’s interesting that a lot of us thought like customers and voted by not buying tickets. I keep hearing it’s because the club has to run like a business, well what business can afford to take the risk of pissing off 75 % ish of their normal customer base.
Right now I doubt Saints will make any more money than they would have by leaving us in the East Stand as it doesn’t look like being a sell out crowd and they’ve caused so much bad feeling. I m presuming it was the young lads put the banner up, I know guys in their 60s refusing to go who would normally, this is across our entire support.
If it was being run like a business, you’d try to address the situation, why the silence ?
I fail to see how the club continues with Flaherty there but I ve no idea if that’s unfair, how much it’s his fault, how often he’s even at the club I ve no idea. Sometimes it feels like nobody works at the club, maybe that’s part of the problem, is Ian Flaherty full time or two afternoons a week , I dunno.
I just feel someone needs to try build a bridge although I fear it’s been left to long now to have any change to Saturday, I know there’s nothing the club can now do re stands and pricing, that ship sailed as soon as they first announced it. They didn’t have to let it cause this much bad feeling.
I was at Jeanfield Swifts Scottish Cup tie with Brechin City so have at least seen a Scottish cup game this season.

I am really struggling to get my head round the complete disinterest from the club on this.
Be it Ian Flaherty, Roddy Grant, Steve Brown ……… anyone , it feels like it must be 75% of our fans, maybe more are not attending this game and the club are doing nothing to address the situation.
My first ever Scottish Cup tie was Whitehill Welfare at home in the 80s and I might have missed one since but I can’t think of one I ve missed since apart from the Covid year. Had to get a ticket in wrong end for Inverness Caledonian before they merged with Th.
Theres just zero effort being made to communicate with fans, I know it’s been said 100 times already but it’s total disbelief to me that they are relying on leaked emails to other fans to communicate with us.
They have the info, they can see who normally attends and can see who hasn’t bought tickets, even at this late stage, some kind of apology that they ve got this wrong and a willingness to show things will improve would see a lot of us buy tickets I m sure.
For me it’s actually gone beyond the price rise, and the moving to main stand, it’s now more the way they ve dealt with it. As soon as they stopped treating us like fans and like customers then it’s interesting that a lot of us thought like customers and voted by not buying tickets. I keep hearing it’s because the club has to run like a business, well what business can afford to take the risk of pissing off 75 % ish of their normal customer base.
Right now I doubt Saints will make any more money than they would have by leaving us in the East Stand as it doesn’t look like being a sell out crowd and they’ve caused so much bad feeling. I m presuming it was the young lads put the banner up, I know guys in their 60s refusing to go who would normally, this is across our entire support.
If it was being run like a business, you’d try to address the situation, why the silence ?
I fail to see how the club continues with Flaherty there but I ve no idea if that’s unfair, how much it’s his fault, how often he’s even at the club I ve no idea. Sometimes it feels like nobody works at the club, maybe that’s part of the problem, is Ian Flaherty full time or two afternoons a week , I dunno.
I just feel someone needs to try build a bridge although I fear it’s been left to long now to have any change to Saturday, I know there’s nothing the club can now do re stands and pricing, that ship sailed as soon as they first announced it. They didn’t have to let it cause this much bad feeling.
I was at Jeanfield Swifts Scottish Cup tie with Brechin City so have at least seen a Scottish cup game this season.

I am really struggling to get my head round the complete disinterest from the club on this.
Be it Ian Flaherty, Roddy Grant, Steve Brown ……… anyone , it feels like it must be 75% of our fans, maybe more are not attending this game and the club are doing nothing to address the situation.
My first ever Scottish Cup tie was Whitehill Welfare at home in the 80s and I might have missed one since but I can’t think of one I ve missed since apart from the Covid year. Had to get a ticket in wrong end for Inverness Caledonian before they merged with Th.
Theres just zero effort being made to communicate with fans, I know it’s been said 100 times already but it’s total disbelief to me that they are relying on leaked emails to other fans to communicate with us.
They have the info, they can see who normally attends and can see who hasn’t bought tickets, even at this late stage, some kind of apology that they ve got this wrong and a willingness to show things will improve would see a lot of us buy tickets I m sure.
For me it’s actually gone beyond the price rise, and the moving to main stand, it’s now more the way they ve dealt with it. As soon as they stopped treating us like fans and like customers then it’s interesting that a lot of us thought like customers and voted by not buying tickets. I keep hearing it’s because the club has to run like a business, well what business can afford to take the risk of pissing off 75 % ish of their normal customer base.
Right now I doubt Saints will make any more money than they would have by leaving us in the East Stand as it doesn’t look like being a sell out crowd and they’ve caused so much bad feeling. I m presuming it was the young lads put the banner up, I know guys in their 60s refusing to go who would normally, this is across our entire support.
If it was being run like a business, you’d try to address the situation, why the silence ?
I fail to see how the club continues with Flaherty there but I ve no idea if that’s unfair, how much it’s his fault, how often he’s even at the club I ve no idea. Sometimes it feels like nobody works at the club, maybe that’s part of the problem, is Ian Flaherty full time or two afternoons a week , I dunno.
I just feel someone needs to try build a bridge although I fear it’s been left to long now to have any change to Saturday, I know there’s nothing the club can now do re stands and pricing, that ship sailed as soon as they first announced it. They didn’t have to let it cause this much bad feeling.
I was at Jeanfield Swifts Scottish Cup tie with Brechin City so have at least seen a Scottish cup game this season.

I am really struggling to get my head round the complete disinterest from the club on this.
Be it Ian Flaherty, Roddy Grant, Steve Brown ……… anyone , it feels like it must be 75% of our fans, maybe more are not attending this game and the club are doing nothing to address the situation.
My first ever Scottish Cup tie was Whitehill Welfare at home in the 80s and I might have missed one since but I can’t think of one I ve missed since apart from the Covid year. Had to get a ticket in wrong end for Inverness Caledonian before they merged with Th.
Theres just zero effort being made to communicate with fans, I know it’s been said 100 times already but it’s total disbelief to me that they are relying on leaked emails to other fans to communicate with us.
They have the info, they can see who normally attends and can see who hasn’t bought tickets, even at this late stage, some kind of apology that they ve got this wrong and a willingness to show things will improve would see a lot of us buy tickets I m sure.
For me it’s actually gone beyond the price rise, and the moving to main stand, it’s now more the way they ve dealt with it. As soon as they stopped treating us like fans and like customers then it’s interesting that a lot of us thought like customers and voted by not buying tickets. I keep hearing it’s because the club has to run like a business, well what business can afford to take the risk of pissing off 75 % ish of their normal customer base.
Right now I doubt Saints will make any more money than they would have by leaving us in the East Stand as it doesn’t look like being a sell out crowd and they’ve caused so much bad feeling. I m presuming it was the young lads put the banner up, I know guys in their 60s refusing to go who would normally, this is across our entire support.
If it was being run like a business, you’d try to address the situation, why the silence ?
I fail to see how the club continues with Flaherty there but I ve no idea if that’s unfair, how much it’s his fault, how often he’s even at the club I ve no idea. Sometimes it feels like nobody works at the club, maybe that’s part of the problem, is Ian Flaherty full time or two afternoons a week , I dunno.
I just feel someone needs to try build a bridge although I fear it’s been left to long now to have any change to Saturday, I know there’s nothing the club can now do re stands and pricing, that ship sailed as soon as they first announced it. They didn’t have to let it cause this much bad feeling.
I was at Jeanfield Swifts Scottish Cup tie with Brechin City so have at least seen a Scottish cup game this season.

I am really struggling to get my head round the complete disinterest from the club on this.
Be it Ian Flaherty, Roddy Grant, Steve Brown ……… anyone , it feels like it must be 75% of our fans, maybe more are not attending this game and the club are doing nothing to address the situation.
My first ever Scottish Cup tie was Whitehill Welfare at home in the 80s and I might have missed one since but I can’t think of one I ve missed since apart from the Covid year. Had to get a ticket in wrong end for Inverness Caledonian before they merged with Th.
Theres just zero effort being made to communicate with fans, I know it’s been said 100 times already but it’s total disbelief to me that they are relying on leaked emails to other fans to communicate with us.
They have the info, they can see who normally attends and can see who hasn’t bought tickets, even at this late stage, some kind of apology that they ve got this wrong and a willingness to show things will improve would see a lot of us buy tickets I m sure.
For me it’s actually gone beyond the price rise, and the moving to main stand, it’s now more the way they ve dealt with it. As soon as they stopped treating us like fans and like customers then it’s interesting that a lot of us thought like customers and voted by not buying tickets. I keep hearing it’s because the club has to run like a business, well what business can afford to take the risk of pissing off 75 % ish of their normal customer base.
Right now I doubt Saints will make any more money than they would have by leaving us in the East Stand as it doesn’t look like being a sell out crowd and they’ve caused so much bad feeling. I m presuming it was the young lads put the banner up, I know guys in their 60s refusing to go who would normally, this is across our entire support.
If it was being run like a business, you’d try to address the situation, why the silence ?
I fail to see how the club continues with Flaherty there but I ve no idea if that’s unfair, how much it’s his fault, how often he’s even at the club I ve no idea. Sometimes it feels like nobody works at the club, maybe that’s part of the problem, is Ian Flaherty full time or two afternoons a week , I dunno.
I just feel someone needs to try build a bridge although I fear it’s been left to long now to have any change to Saturday, I know there’s nothing the club can now do re stands and pricing, that ship sailed as soon as they first announced it. They didn’t have to let it cause this much bad feeling.
I was at Jeanfield Swifts Scottish Cup tie with Brechin City so have at least seen a Scottish cup game this season.

I am really struggling to get my head round the complete disinterest from the club on this.
Be it Ian Flaherty, Roddy Grant, Steve Brown ……… anyone , it feels like it must be 75% of our fans, maybe more are not attending this game and the club are doing nothing to address the situation.
My first ever Scottish Cup tie was Whitehill Welfare at home in the 80s and I might have missed one since but I can’t think of one I ve missed since apart from the Covid year. Had to get a ticket in wrong end for Inverness Caledonian before they merged with Th.
Theres just zero effort being made to communicate with fans, I know it’s been said 100 times already but it’s total disbelief to me that they are relying on leaked emails to other fans to communicate with us.
They have the info, they can see who normally attends and can see who hasn’t bought tickets, even at this late stage, some kind of apology that they ve got this wrong and a willingness to show things will improve would see a lot of us buy tickets I m sure.
For me it’s actually gone beyond the price rise, and the moving to main stand, it’s now more the way they ve dealt with it. As soon as they stopped treating us like fans and like customers then it’s interesting that a lot of us thought like customers and voted by not buying tickets. I keep hearing it’s because the club has to run like a business, well what business can afford to take the risk of pissing off 75 % ish of their normal customer base.
Right now I doubt Saints will make any more money than they would have by leaving us in the East Stand as it doesn’t look like being a sell out crowd and they’ve caused so much bad feeling. I m presuming it was the young lads put the banner up, I know guys in their 60s refusing to go who would normally, this is across our entire support.
If it was being run like a business, you’d try to address the situation, why the silence ?
I fail to see how the club continues with Flaherty there but I ve no idea if that’s unfair, how much it’s his fault, how often he’s even at the club I ve no idea. Sometimes it feels like nobody works at the club, maybe that’s part of the problem, is Ian Flaherty full time or two afternoons a week , I dunno.
I just feel someone needs to try build a bridge although I fear it’s been left to long now to have any change to Saturday, I know there’s nothing the club can now do re stands and pricing, that ship sailed as soon as they first announced it. They didn’t have to let it cause this much bad feeling.
I was at Jeanfield Swifts Scottish Cup tie with Brechin City so have at least seen a Scottish cup game this season.

For the two seconds it would take to copy and paste that post into an email, I think it would be worthwhile. 
 
When I first read the email, it screamed whataboutery to me, but I didn’t email the club in the first place. All your points are valid. 

So no statement to all fans ?
 
They spoke to some fans in a pub in Dingwall, they spoke to the FCU any everyone who emailed the club got an email.
Everyone else gets nothing ?

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?
 
 
 

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?
 
 
 

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?
 
 
 

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?
 
 
 

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?
 
 
 

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?
 
 
 

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?
 
 
 

I have the total fear we are heading to the play off position again the way we are going.
What seems to be the common ground at the minute is an older fan, either on here,Banter page or Pie and Bovril, coming in total support of manager and club in everything they do because they were at the 3-3 Rangers game in the 80s or the Dundee game in 60s which I just don’t get.
I m an older lad myself, started going mid to late 80s, first real success I remember was being on the pitch after beating Arbroath 4-0 and the players in main stand throwing champagne about, singing “ Ayr Ayr **** yer Ayr “ despite the fact we’d finished second to them, it was promotion from Scotlands bottom league at the time.
Right now though is the most unconnected with the club I ve ever felt. I think Callum’s a bit unlucky in that I probably don’t give him enough credit for the cup double, mainly cos I wasn’t there. Over last 30 odd years I ve probably missed less that 10 home games over that time and been at double figures away games every year too. I actually almost resent the double cup win, I ve been to Hampden so many times and still never seen us win there.
I don’t understand how anyone can be happy right now, a clueless manager who should have been gone by the time I got back to Perth after the Kelty game.
Football on the pitch that is eye watering bad, I don’t mind us getting beat but at least have a plan that you look like you have set up to try and win.
Zander must have been so low in confidence having not played in months at the Hearts game yet we gave him nothing to do early on.
A squad that is so big, biggest I can ever remember yet we have no idea our strongest team.
Then add in the Rangers cup game shitfest, even “ off the ball “ on radio where Stuart Cosgrove is normally the boards saviour was so damming of the situation. Some people may have been told the true reasons in a pub, it appears some contact was made with however they communicate with the young lads in FCU, what about just the normal fans though, we get to hear nothing.
I was briefly enjoying this season before the World Cup as we were ok to watch for a while, it’s back to the rubbish tactics of last year though and if we achieve 10th place it will be seen as success.
I hate the fact that, I live 10 mins walk from ground, will be free the night of Rangers game and can afford £30 but right now, won’t be there, will be first time ever I miss a game where I’m in the house and can hear the crowd noise. This obviously happened during Covid but no crowd. How have we managed to get to such a crappy place with how I feel about my club ?