Joey

Major overhaul don't even discribe it. The entire squad with the exception of perhaps 3 or 4 players needs to be looked at and thier positions within the club evaulated. In the business world if you don't add value to your organisation you are shown the door - Mr Brown you are a businessman, time to start doing this. At this rate with that squad and lack of goals, pace, ideas ambition I fear for the next season...

'made me embarrassed to be a St Johnstone supporter. I know certain people are going to give me flak for saying that, but I couldn't give a toss! That was an absolute embarrassment' Completely agree with you, throughout all the years, all the awful performance and disappointments yesterday took the bloody biscuit. The players should be embarrassed at their performance, Del should took a long hard look at his management skills and the St. Johnstone board should offer to pay all the fans back the ticket money in my opinion such was the level of non-performance offered by so called proffesional footballers. Clueless, toothless and utterly useless...

I agree that we are looking at far too low a figure for Muzza if looking for around 750k - he is already worth over a million, regardless of where you are playing. You are paying for their ability not the reputation from their league. Granted, in the days of stupid fees, but did Callum Davidson not go for 1.25 million, after playing only a handful of games in the top flight. Surely we should be looking at something similar. Anything less is criminal. That price by todays standards is a bargain. At least insist on a high % sell on fee. Problem, is if who goes, how do we fill the gap... Probably another thread to be discussed over the summer though...

It's also on the BBC website - can't help thinking that we may be seeing the last of Murray in the next few weeks. Hopefully he'll get on the pitch for Sunday, for several reasons (i) finally a Saints player getting the recognition he deserves and (ii) if this is all to be believed add maybe another couple of digits on any potential fee. As much as I would hate him to go, he has the ability to be a top player for a top team. Are Wolves a top team, not sure, but he deserves the chance to play at a higher level.

Agree mate, getting behind the team for the last three games is the key point right now. Then when and not if, the title is won we can start the annual, who will we buy, who should sell thread on here. Will be easier to do when we know for certain what division we will be playing in.

Very good point - apologies. Read fixtures wrong time for new specs me thinks....

I would certainly have taken the position that we are in now, at the start of the season. All other teams wish that they were clear of the table with so little games to play. The title is really ours to throw away as much as it is ours to win. Mathematically winning the league at Den's is possible but unrealistic in that I feel that Partick will win against Clyde. Leaving us with winning the title on our own patch. When it is called for the Perth support can get behind the team, they can create the eternal 12th man. We all remember NDP and the support that we took, but more importantly if we need to avild defeat at McD against Morton to clinch it, it will be the biggest game we've hosted since THAT game against Dundee. Remember the support? Remember the noise, remember the atmosphere - neutrals, occasionals and diehards, all turning out in number and voice. This is the time that Saints need us all to get behind the team. Yes today, we were poor. For a plethora of reasons but the result can't be changed so why bother. The next 3 games are what we need to look to. We need to get behind the team, turn Dens into the a secondary McD next Saturday take the points that we need, then watch McD explode when we claim the final points that will take us up into the SPL, crown us champions. Yes winning in at Dens would have gone done in folklore, but to honest, winning it anywhere is better than not winning it all. Here's to the next three games and to the next 9 points!!! SPL here we come!!!

I agree to a certain point - in regards to the defense being pulled apart we have to remember that we had a generally right footed centre half playing at left back. This alone threw the balance, allowing QOS to pull us this way and that. This is not a dig at Ando just an obersavatioin from todays game.

I can not believe that Geoff Brown would even entertain such an idea. Our stadium was once revered by many other clubs around Scotland; am I wrong or was McD not the first all seated stadium to be built in Scotland? Now there are plans to pull down the away stand - diabolical. The whole face of the stadium will be changed, we will be going backwards instead of forwards. If for arguments sake we win promotion in the next two years and we cement a place in the Premier then would we need to create a temporary stand and at what cost? To be potentially selling the land so that an access road can be created in a time of economic downturn seems rather strange for a businessman as shrewd as Geoff Brown. Surely simple economics suggest that consumer demand would make such a sale useless at present. The house market is in decline and should we allow this sale to go with it - will the image and future fortunes of Saint Johnstone mirror this market?

Has OC got what it takes? I am unconvinced like many of us that he has; however he is probably the best that we can hope for at this moment in time. We must keep faith in him for the time being and perhaps reasses the situation at the end of the season. Anyone with a realistic bone in thier body will fully acknowledge that we are out of the title race; we will have a say by hopefully taking points of Scumdee and Hamilton but as for catching them?!? What is more alarming than OC apparent lack of seeing what the rest of us sees, in that the team he selects week in week out simply aren't good enough, Sheerin, McInnes and Willie, all for varying reasons aren't upto it this year or the fact that he fails to learn from his mistakes is what exactly is Sandy Stewart doing? Surely this man has more managerial experience than OC, surely he OC brought him in as an assistant and a mentor to offer advice at times where OC could not see the alternatives. If so then what is he doing? Is it possible that both are inept at seeing the performances that we endure at a now worringly regular occurance. Or is this simply the Airdire way? A large portion of responsibility must lie with OC but there is also responsibility of those that he has selected to be around him...

There was times tonight where I was convinced that i was watching Saints. A team that looked like playing all night withouth scoring, so obvioulsy not working, options on the bench and the manager gives the player ten minutes. If I had had a bottle in my hand at the time I would have thrown it at the tv. Poor decisions by Rafa cost Liverpool dear tonight.

Read in the paper today (Sun) that he has been denied a permit to enter Canada.

I'll bet Perth probably also has a large proportion of people from Glasgow, Edinburgh, etc. - not Saints fans to start with. I'd have to agree with that. Both my parents and i attend Saints games home and away (well I go away they babysit!), and none of us are from the Perth area originally. My parents are from Yorkshire and Lancashire and are now devoted saints fans. It would be interesting to know how many fans that go to saints games are actually from Perth or is it a case of at one time a new inhabitant of Perth from lands afar goes along one week, goes back the next hoping it would be better, thinking the next week that you had nothing better to do as the St. Johns centre is crap and next thing you know you are a season ticket holder. Ok yes slightly off thread, apologies. Don't think Perth is too posh for football, our support as other have said is quite good proportionate to the population of the town, area and the fact that we are accessible to other cities and thier teams. If the team has a goos year next year what is to say that we can not win some of these supporters back?

I agree next season look quite difficult, although i still think we'll do it. Last season was certainly a mix-match of emotions for us fans. Some great results coupled with some displays that leave you feeling very angry. Perhaps we are all looking through rose tinted glasses at last season, would we still be in Gretna had beaten Clyde and confirmed the title the week before? It was the excitement and the possibilities that created the season. Also agree that we need to be far more consistent and far far FAR more ruthless in front of goal. Pass (don't hump) the ball forward, wide men, hit the by-line sling it back in. Don't play the backwards ball unless absolutely neccesarry. Our standard of football was not that great last season bar the cup games where I thought we were superb. Maybe we play better against supposed better teams, where we need to sit deep and hit them quickly instead of being the team that is to drive the game forward. I just hope that the players use their memories of this season to motivate them and push on next year, hit the ground running, build up as many points as possible. Porobably more important win away from fortress McD. Lets face it, our style of football, out tatics, the standards of the games are not the issue. We lost the league away from McD - (QoS, and Dens two of many games that we should have won or at least drawn - 2 points = SPL).