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I think the fact that Davidson was a 'St Johnstone man' give him a lot more time with some people.
I was very concerned the week of the Dundee United and LASK game as it was clear then Davidson only had one team and one plan.

Great to see the club finally catching up with this after the slightly embarrassing situation last season. Really hope people show up to back the team in some decent numbers.

Agree with this. But perhaps most damaging is the overall mindset Davidson instilled in the team, which I think we still haven't managed to pull ourselves out of. That attitude of fear, making all the players scared to try anything creative or a bit different that might have shown some spark or got the fans on their feet. Always scared to make a substitution or a tactical change in case it made things worse instead of better. Always scared to go for it at 1-0 down in case we went 2-0 down. Telling everyone that winning a relegation play-off would be better than winning the Double. Yes we were often defensive under Tommy Wright too, but we were also brave and aggressive and adaptable to situations.
I still think of the way Eetu Vertainen - at a time when he was young, living in a new country and eager to impress - was publicly shamed for trying one little flick on the halfway line against Rangers, and think that was the moment we really knew beyond any doubt what Davidson was all about. Sign players who might be good and drill every glimmer of flair out of them, and refuse to give them a game until they're fully brainwashed into playing with the same stiff, defensive mindset as everyone else.
So much of all of where we are now is Callum Davidson's fault, and if we go down much of the blame for it will be on his shoulders.
 

Agree with this. But perhaps most damaging is the overall mindset Davidson instilled in the team, which I think we still haven't managed to pull ourselves out of. That attitude of fear, making all the players scared to try anything creative or a bit different that might have shown some spark or got the fans on their feet. Always scared to make a substitution or a tactical change in case it made things worse instead of better. Always scared to go for it at 1-0 down in case we went 2-0 down. Telling everyone that winning a relegation play-off would be better than winning the Double. Yes we were often defensive under Tommy Wright too, but we were also brave and aggressive and adaptable to situations.
I still think of the way Eetu Vertainen - at a time when he was young, living in a new country and eager to impress - was publicly shamed for trying one little flick on the halfway line against Rangers, and think that was the moment we really knew beyond any doubt what Davidson was all about. Sign players who might be good and drill every glimmer of flair out of them, and refuse to give them a game until they're fully brainwashed into playing with the same stiff, defensive mindset as everyone else.
So much of all of where we are now is Callum Davidson's fault, and if we go down much of the blame for it will be on his shoulders.
 

Agree with this. But perhaps most damaging is the overall mindset Davidson instilled in the team, which I think we still haven't managed to pull ourselves out of. That attitude of fear, making all the players scared to try anything creative or a bit different that might have shown some spark or got the fans on their feet. Always scared to make a substitution or a tactical change in case it made things worse instead of better. Always scared to go for it at 1-0 down in case we went 2-0 down. Telling everyone that winning a relegation play-off would be better than winning the Double. Yes we were often defensive under Tommy Wright too, but we were also brave and aggressive and adaptable to situations.
I still think of the way Eetu Vertainen - at a time when he was young, living in a new country and eager to impress - was publicly shamed for trying one little flick on the halfway line against Rangers, and think that was the moment we really knew beyond any doubt what Davidson was all about. Sign players who might be good and drill every glimmer of flair out of them, and refuse to give them a game until they're fully brainwashed into playing with the same stiff, defensive mindset as everyone else.
So much of all of where we are now is Callum Davidson's fault, and if we go down much of the blame for it will be on his shoulders.
 

Agree with this. But perhaps most damaging is the overall mindset Davidson instilled in the team, which I think we still haven't managed to pull ourselves out of. That attitude of fear, making all the players scared to try anything creative or a bit different that might have shown some spark or got the fans on their feet. Always scared to make a substitution or a tactical change in case it made things worse instead of better. Always scared to go for it at 1-0 down in case we went 2-0 down. Telling everyone that winning a relegation play-off would be better than winning the Double. Yes we were often defensive under Tommy Wright too, but we were also brave and aggressive and adaptable to situations.
I still think of the way Eetu Vertainen - at a time when he was young, living in a new country and eager to impress - was publicly shamed for trying one little flick on the halfway line against Rangers, and think that was the moment we really knew beyond any doubt what Davidson was all about. Sign players who might be good and drill every glimmer of flair out of them, and refuse to give them a game until they're fully brainwashed into playing with the same stiff, defensive mindset as everyone else.
So much of all of where we are now is Callum Davidson's fault, and if we go down much of the blame for it will be on his shoulders.
 

Agree with this. But perhaps most damaging is the overall mindset Davidson instilled in the team, which I think we still haven't managed to pull ourselves out of. That attitude of fear, making all the players scared to try anything creative or a bit different that might have shown some spark or got the fans on their feet. Always scared to make a substitution or a tactical change in case it made things worse instead of better. Always scared to go for it at 1-0 down in case we went 2-0 down. Telling everyone that winning a relegation play-off would be better than winning the Double. Yes we were often defensive under Tommy Wright too, but we were also brave and aggressive and adaptable to situations.
I still think of the way Eetu Vertainen - at a time when he was young, living in a new country and eager to impress - was publicly shamed for trying one little flick on the halfway line against Rangers, and think that was the moment we really knew beyond any doubt what Davidson was all about. Sign players who might be good and drill every glimmer of flair out of them, and refuse to give them a game until they're fully brainwashed into playing with the same stiff, defensive mindset as everyone else.
So much of all of where we are now is Callum Davidson's fault, and if we go down much of the blame for it will be on his shoulders.
 

Agree with this. But perhaps most damaging is the overall mindset Davidson instilled in the team, which I think we still haven't managed to pull ourselves out of. That attitude of fear, making all the players scared to try anything creative or a bit different that might have shown some spark or got the fans on their feet. Always scared to make a substitution or a tactical change in case it made things worse instead of better. Always scared to go for it at 1-0 down in case we went 2-0 down. Telling everyone that winning a relegation play-off would be better than winning the Double. Yes we were often defensive under Tommy Wright too, but we were also brave and aggressive and adaptable to situations.
I still think of the way Eetu Vertainen - at a time when he was young, living in a new country and eager to impress - was publicly shamed for trying one little flick on the halfway line against Rangers, and think that was the moment we really knew beyond any doubt what Davidson was all about. Sign players who might be good and drill every glimmer of flair out of them, and refuse to give them a game until they're fully brainwashed into playing with the same stiff, defensive mindset as everyone else.
So much of all of where we are now is Callum Davidson's fault, and if we go down much of the blame for it will be on his shoulders.
 

They weren’t running training, picking the starting 11 or communicating the tactics.

We are Hamilton Accies of 2016/17-2020/21….
Circling the drain for 3 seasons just waiting to disappear while taking no decisive action to fend off the inevitable.
I will never forgive Callum Davidson - ever!

Next Wednesday 1st May St Johnstone Women have their first match on the main pitch at McDiarmid, a 7.45 kick off against Queen's Park - who have just been crowned champions of that league.
After the proposed match in November 2022 was cancelled four days prior, this will be the first time the side have played on the main pitch.
Main stand only, with season ticket holders getting in free and a cash only gate otherwise of £5 adult and £1 concessions.
It would mean a considerable amount to the players if they were to get a decent support in that night.

Just to clarify, by "now happening" I mean that there are now ex-Saints players who are at other clubs and doing well, after doing badly here, when it used to be the other way around. Obviously it's not possible to know if this will be the case with any of the current players, as they're still current players.

I have a colleague who is a season ticket holder at Tannadice tells me that McCelland has been a stand out for the Terrors since he's started getting a regular game and they would happily keep him. Several fans are of the same opinion so that's good news going forward becasue we definitely need a shake up up in defence.

All true, but equally I think it's important for the club to actually look at why this happened so it doesn't happen again, rather than just shrug the shoulders and have a laugh about it. It's not just luck that allowed us to benefit in a similar way in the past. It happened because we'd created an environment here where players could thrive. If the opposite is now happening (and it definitely is, and not just with Bair), then that's probably a big part of the reason why we're now a team that struggles every year.

All true, but equally I think it's important for the club to actually look at why this happened so it doesn't happen again, rather than just shrug the shoulders and have a laugh about it. It's not just luck that allowed us to benefit in a similar way in the past. It happened because we'd created an environment here where players could thrive. If the opposite is now happening (and it definitely is, and not just with Bair), then that's probably a big part of the reason why we're now a team that struggles every year.

All true, but equally I think it's important for the club to actually look at why this happened so it doesn't happen again, rather than just shrug the shoulders and have a laugh about it. It's not just luck that allowed us to benefit in a similar way in the past. It happened because we'd created an environment here where players could thrive. If the opposite is now happening (and it definitely is, and not just with Bair), then that's probably a big part of the reason why we're now a team that struggles every year.

All true, but equally I think it's important for the club to actually look at why this happened so it doesn't happen again, rather than just shrug the shoulders and have a laugh about it. It's not just luck that allowed us to benefit in a similar way in the past. It happened because we'd created an environment here where players could thrive. If the opposite is now happening (and it definitely is, and not just with Bair), then that's probably a big part of the reason why we're now a team that struggles every year.

I don't think anyone would ever suggest that he is. But he doesn't need to be the Stevie May of 11 years ago to still be good enough to be an option for the current side.

Just to clarify, by "now happening" I mean that there are now ex-Saints players who are at other clubs and doing well, after doing badly here, when it used to be the other way around. Obviously it's not possible to know if this will be the case with any of the current players, as they're still current players.

I voted yes. No idea what will actually happen of course, but at this point in time my guess is we'll finish 11th and scrape through the play-off.

All true, but equally I think it's important for the club to actually look at why this happened so it doesn't happen again, rather than just shrug the shoulders and have a laugh about it. It's not just luck that allowed us to benefit in a similar way in the past. It happened because we'd created an environment here where players could thrive. If the opposite is now happening (and it definitely is, and not just with Bair), then that's probably a big part of the reason why we're now a team that struggles every year.

100% this. It seriously annoyed me the way winning a relegation play-off was suddenly treated as something we should all be celebrating, instead of recognised as the massive failure that it was. We'd gone from winning two cups and matching Galatasaray on their own pitch, to relegation candidates in less than a year. Davidson should have been firmly embarrassed by that, not running around in front of the fans like he thought he was some sort of hero. To me it's one of the cringiest things I've ever witnessed in my years watching Saints.
Davidson also should have looked upon that moment as his opportunity to walk away and let someone else have a go at the job, instead of clinging on and actively making us even worse (which we're still trying to recover from two years later).

100% this. It seriously annoyed me the way winning a relegation play-off was suddenly treated as something we should all be celebrating, instead of recognised as the massive failure that it was. We'd gone from winning two cups and matching Galatasaray on their own pitch, to relegation candidates in less than a year. Davidson should have been firmly embarrassed by that, not running around in front of the fans like he thought he was some sort of hero. To me it's one of the cringiest things I've ever witnessed in my years watching Saints.
Davidson also should have looked upon that moment as his opportunity to walk away and let someone else have a go at the job, instead of clinging on and actively making us even worse (which we're still trying to recover from two years later).

Completely agree with all of this but sadly I struggle to see Levein doing any of it.
The Kimpioka-Sidibeh pairing in particular surely has to be worth a shot? I think it could really take an opponent by surprise if we unleash those two from the start of a game. And Hibs, whose defence looked pretty ropey last time, would surely be prime candidates to try it against?
Feel a bit sorry for Clark as he's being used in completely the wrong role. He's far from the only one, though.

100% this. It seriously annoyed me the way winning a relegation play-off was suddenly treated as something we should all be celebrating, instead of recognised as the massive failure that it was. We'd gone from winning two cups and matching Galatasaray on their own pitch, to relegation candidates in less than a year. Davidson should have been firmly embarrassed by that, not running around in front of the fans like he thought he was some sort of hero. To me it's one of the cringiest things I've ever witnessed in my years watching Saints.
Davidson also should have looked upon that moment as his opportunity to walk away and let someone else have a go at the job, instead of clinging on and actively making us even worse (which we're still trying to recover from two years later).