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That stretch Albert has highlighted is awful - but it is also, probably, one of the quietest pieces of footpath in the city centre aside from coaches doing drop offs, which wasn't happening much if at all during this spell of weather. That piece basically links the railway bridge to the town. I walk it all the time - but am avoiding it for the moment because the steps at the other side up to Dundee Road are brutal.

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Now I understand why grit is jsut thrown onto snow.. pointless, as the snow needs to be cleared first of all to allow the grit to work properly.

so you do at least agree it was pointless someone from the council driving over the snow to drop the grit without clearing the snow first.

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There is snow everywhere and ice everywhere, you fall it is your own fault.... Identify whos fault it is? well look at oneself first of all for not having the ability to walk on snow or ice.

so if you slip it is your own fault. All paths and streets in Perth were gritted as quickly as possible, from what I could see.

I wouldnt say that it is or own fault if I fell or slipped. I fell twice in town on black ice even though i had proper footwear on i wouldn't say that was my fault, its just one of these things.

I would however blame the council if my Gran fell! I was visiting her on sunday and not a bit of grit had been thrown in her street, not a bit of snow had been cleared they couldnt even walk along the road to the bus stop as the road was thick with ice nobody has touched it since the snow started!!!!

Yes the weather has been exceptional but that is no excuse!! its health and safety gone mad!!! in previous cases of extreme bad weather people fuctioned, roads were clear etc because people just did it, they didnt wait for risk assessments etc they just bloody well got on with it.

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it's not about health and safety. the reason the council took so long was because they have to get the important roads and paths done first the picture albert took was in a seldom used area so was a fairly low priority. if you don't get the snow cleared soon enough the wee ploughs can't really clear the ice. also there are no shops on that side of the road so it'll have to be done by some workshy council slackers. Join the council anytime al i'm sure you'll enjoy it

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Boll@cks to that! :D money making shower of greedy chunts! There is snow everywhere and ice everywhere, you fall it is your own fault.... Identify whos fault it is? well look at oneself first of all for not having the ability to walk on snow or ice.

So in your photo of Tay St, it is clear that grit had been used. so if you slip it is your own fault. All paths and streets in Perth were gritted as quickly as possible, from what I could see. Now I understand why grit is jsut thrown onto snow.. pointless, as the snow needs to be cleared first of all to allow the grit to work properly.

You work for Tayside Contracts?

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Im convinced ... erm .... Bertrand .... :laugh: that if I said Black you would say white!

Lets try and see!

Go on...i'm waiting! :wink:

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Slips and falls – Compensation Claims Update

As we get nearer to winter when ice forms on pavements and public areas more accidents will take place due to the presence of either black ice, snow or just an icy surface. It is possible to claim personal injury compensation for such a slip, trip or fall.

In order to do this it would be necessary to identify who was at fault. If you are injured as a result of a fall or slip on the pavement for example, then you may have a claim against the local authority or council on grounds that they failed to maintain a safe area and failed to grit the pavement.

Thats whats wrong wi todays society,to many lazy arsed b*st*rds lookin for compensation for the slightest thing

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There were many city centre shops clearing paths at the doors to allow access without walking through the snow (also to prevent snow being brought into the shop). If you slip and fall in this weather it is simply your own fault and no one elses.

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Now - Lets be clear here - you are stating this as a fact, do you know this is a fact or are you just basically putting over what you think SHOULD be correct?

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Bertrand - whit you uttering about? lets quote and quote again :) I witnessed with my own eyes that there were efforts made to remove the snow from shop doors (whether it was by the council or the shop - who cares) I presumed it was the shop as I did not see any council representative clearing shop doorways. eg, Scott St, the path was cleared by the wee snow plough, the snow was still deep at the road side and building side of the path, ie a little clearing was made for walking. and in some instances the shops entrances were clear and others were not. Hence suggesting that some owners cleared the snow in front of their premises... I am stating no facts here though? simply evidence your honour!

Edited by Dave H

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Bertrand - whit you uttering about? lets quote and quote again :) I witnessed with my own eyes that there were efforts made to remove the snow from shop doors (whether it was by the council or the shop - who cares) I presumed it was the shop as I did not see any council representative clearing shop doorways. eg, Scott St, the path was cleared by the wee snow plough, the snow was still deep at the road side and building side of the path, ie a little clearing was made for walking. and in some instances the shops entrances were clear and others were not. Hence suggesting that some owners cleared the snow in front of their premises... I am stating no facts here though? simply evidence your honour!

Dave we're getting wires crossed here!

Im referring to the bit about "If you slip and fall in this weather it is your own fault" - I am in no doubt that you would have seen businesses clearing outside their own shop, not disputing that at all.

Whereas I do wholeheartedly agree that yes it is your own fault should you fall - the point is that if you are a business owner and you make an attempt to clear the outside of your shop, you will then be liable for any damages claimed for an injury outside your premises should it occur as the council have not done it, you have done it yourself and therefore you are liable.

I have this information from a reliable source who is a business owner in the centre of town - it seems a ridiculous scenario but that appears to be the case, if you clear it yourself you can expect a claim!

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Ah, I am stating no facts on compensation payments or the legal system and anal world of this kind of law (American-style greed law!). In the light of the snow and icy weather of late, if you slip and fall and I were the ruling body on the claim - I would be throwing the claim out the window on the words 'CHANCER - YA CLUMSY BUGGA'

Snow and Ice, whos fault is it when you fall over... eh, human nature could be to blame, but it is the individual.

I want the post to get back to kerbs :) it has started to read bollocks and we are all typing bollocks :)

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I want the post to get back to kerbs :) it has started to read bollocks and we are all typing bollocks :)

That's why I left you lot to it after starting this thread! :laugh:

Anyhoo..............clearing up now and starting to see there's gonna be a hell of a lot of roadworks to re-lay pavements for the next few months :?

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Ah, I am stating no facts on compensation payments or the legal system and anal world of this kind of law (American-style greed law!). In the light of the snow and icy weather of late, if you slip and fall and I were the ruling body on the claim - I would be throwing the claim out the window on the words 'CHANCER - YA CLUMSY BUGGA'

Snow and Ice, whos fault is it when you fall over... eh, human nature could be to blame, but it is the individual.

I want the post to get back to kerbs :) it has started to read bollocks and we are all typing bollocks :)

You could always do a Billy Connolly. It's an act of God, sue the church!:laugh:

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If they ever finish their tea break , give them my fondest regards.

What is it you do again? apart from riding that big high horse of yours of course?!

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You're very welcome ...... erm ..... Bertrand.

Aww what's the matter, this paranoia kicking in again?!

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Whereas I do wholeheartedly agree that yes it is your own fault should you fall - the point is that if you are a business owner and you make an attempt to clear the outside of your shop, you will then be liable for any damages claimed for an injury outside your premises should it occur as the council have not done it, you have done it yourself and therefore you are liable.

I have this information from a reliable source who is a business owner in the centre of town - it seems a ridiculous scenario but that appears to be the case, if you clear it yourself you can expect a claim!

There was a story about this in the Dundee Evening Telegraph on the 6th Jan.

It quoted two local legal eagles who were both sceptical about the likelihood of any such claims being successful.

Gordon McBean, a partner at Thorntons in Dundee who specialises in personal injury law, said, "There's no Act of Parliament or statute that states you shouldn't do X, Y or Z when the pavements are covered in snow or ice. If someone is trying to help clear a public path, this is fine unless he or she creates an obvious danger. I find it inconceivable that someone would consult a lawyer and point the finger at someone else for creating such a problem."

He also said he believed a court would be reluctant to convict anyone seen to be acting in the interests of public safety.

In addition, Ronald Conway, a senior partner with Bonnar & Co. personal injury solicitors, said, "I struggle to conceive of circumstances in which a person who has intended to help neighbours or pedestrians by clearing a path could end up on the wrong side of the law."

Any such incident would set a landmark legal precedent. It has never happened before.

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Never trust anything you read in a dundee paper..!

As I said in the post it seems like a ridiculous scenario, still feel that way!

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I would have thought that the pavements that have risen with the cold snap might of settled to their original level, appears this is not the case. Shame really as this will just be a drain on local resources to fix the broken kerbs / pavements in and around Perth.

I think I have a business plan in the making :)

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