101 Saint Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I actually think that if Saints are not even handed in this then they will drive support away and therefore cut income long term, But Saints are even-handed! In all honesty, there is an argument for pandering to these clubs - look at the revenue! They must have outnumbered us by approximately 1.5:1. Still nobody has said what they want the club to do!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgendboy Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 But Saints are even-handed! In all honesty, there is an argument for pandering to these clubs - look at the revenue! They must have outnumbered us by approximately 1.5:1. Still nobody has said what they want the club to do!! Got to agree to rely on our home support would mean a big drop in revenue and to talk of boycotting away games could also backfire if they did likewise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Neutral Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Would love to see the club allow the minimum ticket allocation to both the bigot brothers.If they are taking the moral high ground,let them put their morals and principals before profit.That in my opinion would be a proper stance,not just the easy option. Is the minimum allocation not based on a percentage of a clubs average home attendance? As such the old firm and the Edinburgh lot will always be entitled to a larger away support than other clubs. Also given that league gate receipts do no get shared the club loses out in revenue. I know many fans would rather see the north and ormond stands empty rather than OF fans being in them but the club has to live in the real world and that means bums on seats. If we can't get it from Perth we need every penny from away fans willing to come to Perth. As for standing... Randomly pick a group of fans and escort them out but it the same problem for all clubs, OF included. No one can afford to police and steward a football match to the level that the crowd can be completely contollled. For example if every saints fan were to stand in Saturday for the 1st 15 mins there is no way the police and stewards could force them to sit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I'd rather we gave the old firm all 10,000 seats than give them a minimum allocation... in fact was that post even serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaylor88 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 As for standing... Randomly pick a group of fans and escort them out but it the same problem for all clubs, OF included. No one can afford to police and steward a football match to the level that the crowd can be completely contollled. For example if every saints fan were to stand in Saturday for the 1st 15 mins there is no way the police and stewards could force them to sit But they do escort us out for standing, while they don't for the old firm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I’m livid about the reaction to the events of Saturday’s Celtic match. The stupid actions, to quote Saints own statement, of ‘an extremely small minority of our support’ have seen the club immediately issue a statement and launch an investigation that will result in ‘stringent action’ being taken against those identified as having taken part. In its own right, whether one agrees it was a racist incident or not, most of the ‘fair minded’ supporters that make up the ‘overwhelming majority of our support’ would have no problem with such a move. However, in the context of what was happening during the game on Saturday, it was not the most serious piece of audible abuse experienced by that overwhelming majority of fair minded Saints supporters, many of who couldn’t even hear the afore mentioned actions of the extremely small minority. Yet again we are subjected to virtually 90 minutes of the Celtic support singing disgusting, sectarian, anti-British, pro-terrorist songs made even worse, if that was possible, by thousands of them singing a few days before Armistice Day for us to ‘Shove your f’ing poppies up your ar$e’. Very few rational people could fail to be directly insulted by such offensive insults. Yet again though, absolutely nothing is said or done about this abuse suffered by the St Johnstone support either by Saints themselves or the national media, who have chosen to pick up and highlight the actions of the minority supporters from the smaller club whilst totally ignoring the disgraceful, more serious actions of the Old Firm majority. Why is there no statement? Why no complaint to Celtic about the offensive, sectarian actions of their support? Why are Saints not conducting a thorough investigation? Why are the police and stewards doing nothing? Why no study of cctv pictures and ‘stringent action’ taken against those identified. It’s not as if anyone’s hands are tied as I believe sectarianism is now treated as racism. If so, why is a small group of perpetrators of potentially racist actions highlighted at the expense of the majority who are undoubtedly guilty of the same offence? This is not even bringing the firework incident into the matter. I shall be writing to Saints to express my disappointment at these events and the non action regarding the racist/sectarian Celtic support but feel that since the actions of a few have been given a thread of their own for the media to pick up on, then, for the sake of balance, there should also be a thread devoted to those of us directly offended by the Celtic support and who do not want their behaviour ignored yet again and just swept under the carpet as per usual. Isn’t there a FIFA initiative regarding Fair Play For All? Let’s see it then Saints given you’ve set the ball rolling with your statement. Let’s have Fair Play for the overwhelming majority of your fair minded support. well said.i agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefcake Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 "This is sheer lunacy. Geoff and the board have very clear views on the behaviour of OF fans, but there is no way they could ever put their thoughts in writing!" Well maybe they need to relate those views to the general Saints supporters to stop the levels of frustration that are obviously felt by the home crowd on seeing the discrepencies in the way the OF fans are treated in comparison to the way they are treated week after week Well maybe they need to relate those views - pish. Watcha mean, invite a number of the more trustfull fans to sit in and listen to their opinion on the matter, I think not, cos you will be posting on da internet within 5 mins. They cannot make any public comment on this whatsoever as the OF loving press would stick an anti spin on it and if this is an issue that Mr Brown feels strongly enough about, I'm quite sure he will pick up the phone to someone of importance at CFC or topic it for discussion, next time at Hampden after possibly getting backing from other Eeespl clubs. SJFC have to tread warily as not to upset the OF, I know you don't like the sound of it, but its true - they have all the power and persuasion. This cannot stop however, you the fans, highlighting your displeasure to CFC, the SFA and Tayside Police if necessary. There is no point in harrasing your club about this type of behaviour, in all honesty, there time could be better spent dealing with club issues. As for all the posts about, limiting their numbers, do more stringent spots checks and all the rest. 1. the club needs their money, there is no hiding from that and 2. were there's a will there's a way. I got into an U21 game in pavia with a full bottle of Voddy after being searched!! I know a lot of people have been very upset about this and rightly so, it cannot be condoned or allowed to continue, however, I raise to 2 points in response that are relevant. 1. The St mirren disabled fans that were abused last season at McDiarmid Park - did you all write letters to the club then!. 2. I know a number of you all who boed the Lichtenstein National Anthem when played cos it sounded like God Save the Queen. Do you think the 208 will stop selling OF fans drink before matches to prevent any possible drink fuelled trouble come match time - I think not, but write letters to the 208 anyway to ask that they do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Saint Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Well said, Beef! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1884 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Do you think the 208 will stop selling OF fans drink before matches to prevent any possible drink fuelled trouble come match time - I think not, but write letters to the 208 anyway to ask that they do! I've often pleaded with the owners to ask them to stop selling Saints fans drink before and after matches to prevent bacardi and diet coke being spilt in my car when I'm dropping people home but to no avail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefcake Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I've often pleaded with the owners to ask them to stop selling Saints fans drink before and after matches to prevent bacardi and diet coke being spilt in my car when I'm dropping people home but to no avail... quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mc Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 So you want to cut the income at the club? If one has enough conviction in their beliefs,then profit should not come into it imo.If the club are serious about getting rid of all racism/sectarinsm then they must do everything in their power to make it happen,regardless of the cost.They can't surely be seen to take only the easy option and pick on 20 teeny boppers barking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Economics 3 Morals 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertiesaints Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I've often pleaded with the owners to ask them to stop selling Saints fans drink before and after matches to prevent bacardi and diet coke being spilt in my car when I'm dropping people home but to no avail... oh my god they should be BANNED:oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1884 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 oh my god they should be BANNED:oops: It's my understanding that the SPL match delegate has duly noted the unfortunate incident in his match report and the guilty fan will be reprimanded in due course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertiesaints Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 It's my understanding that the SPL match delegate has duly noted the unfortunate incident in his match report and the guilty fan will be reprimanded in due course. i am sure the guilty party will bow to there superiors:laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1884 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 i am sure the guilty party will bow to there superiors:laugh: If they're sober enough not to fall over whilst doing so...:laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Beatson Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I also wrote a similar e-mail to the club, I'm utterly furious that our supporters are being dragged through the mud while not a single thing has been said in public about the disgusting behaviour of Celtic's fans on Saturday. Notwithstanding their disgraceful songs chanted by hundreds, if not thousands, from the away end for the full 90 minutes, they invaded the pitch and threw fireworks into the goalmouth occupied by Graeme Smith. But despite that, we're the bad ones. I agree that the idiots who made the woofing noises deserve to be chastised. But why should I by association be tarred with the racist brush when far greater crimes were being perpetrated simaltaneously by another group. I think the reason people will be getting in touch with Saints over this is that the club are the only ones to have made a public statement on it. I think we are perfectly entitled to reply and give our opinions to that. I actually find it offensive, Gordon, that you don't think we should air our views on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertiesaints Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 If they're sober enough not to fall over whilst doing so...:laugh: we cant help if the door wasnt there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefcake Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I agree that the idiots who made the woofing noises deserve to be chastised:?: I say get your own house in order first Beatson, before you have any right whatsoever to criticise other fans. Get down off your feckin perch will ya, if Saints fans are racist and abusive, then both the club and fans have no right to criticise others. This is obviously an important issue to you, so name the offenders, I dare you, cos you know who they are!! 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Saint Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 If one has enough conviction in their beliefs,then profit should not come into it imo.If the club are serious about getting rid of all racism/sectarinsm then they must do everything in their power to make it happen,regardless of the cost.They can't surely be seen to take only the easy option and pick on 20 teeny boppers barking. But they're not! They put a statement out for good reason. Read between the lines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Saint Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I also wrote a similar e-mail to the club, I'm utterly furious that our supporters are being dragged through the mud while not a single thing has been said in public about the disgusting behaviour of Celtic's fans on Saturday. Saints are not dragging our supporters through the mud. Notwithstanding their disgraceful songs chanted by hundreds, if not thousands, from the away end for the full 90 minutes, they invaded the pitch and threw fireworks into the goalmouth occupied by Graeme Smith. They're scum, we know that. What do you want the club to do? IBut despite that, we're the bad ones. According to who? I agree that the idiots who made the woofing noises deserve to be chastised. But why should I by association be tarred with the racist brush when far greater crimes were being perpetrated simaltaneously by another group. Because we're deemed guilty by association, it's the way of the world. Have the media mentioned the firework or the sectarian signing, or the breach of the stadium rules? No. Why? It won't sell papers. I think the reason people will be getting in touch with Saints over this is that the club are the only ones to have made a public statement on it. I think we are perfectly entitled to reply and give our opinions to that. You, of all people, know why they made that statement. I actually find it offensive, Gordon, that you don't think we should air our views on this. Air your views, but do it here so you don't cost the club time and money. The only person you're hurting is Paul Smith who already works many unpaid hours for the love of the club. I ask again, what are you hoping to achieve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Neutral Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Rangers fans singing fornicate with the pope, Celtic fans signing about the IRA, Hearts fans signing about not getting abused by catholic priests, a very small (but vocal) minority of Saints fans barking. I've heard fans signing the Fields of Athenry @ Rangers fans to wind them up and The Sash at Celtic fans to wind them up. NONE OF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE IN SCOTTISH FOOTBALL. I think everyone accepts this. Racism, Bigotry, Sectarianism is all one and the same as far as I am concerned. Until Saturday I never had heard the Saints fans indulge in this crap and bile. People have been saying on here that it is getting blown out of proportion and the discussion of makes matters worse... Well look at it this way, maybe the attention that is getting focused on this could nip this crap in the bud. Hopefully those involved realise now what they have caused and won't do it in future and if they do, sing, shout, cheer drown the ignorant little feckers out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1884 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I ask again, what are you hoping to achieve? Perhaps he just feels better getting things off his chest? I find the mass hysteria and over reaction to this whole issue quite embarrassing. I really am astonished, shocked, stunned and overwhelmed by it all. If it sold a few more red-tops today then fair play to the gutter press. Journalism at it's finest, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1884 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Until Saturday I never had heard the Saints fans indulge in this crap and bile. People have been saying on here that it is getting blown out of proportion and the discussion of makes matters worse... Well look at it this way, maybe the attention that is getting focused on this could nip this crap in the bud. On the contrary. Killie fans on P&B have already listed their foreign players and associated foods so Saints fans can make fun of them this Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Intersting article in the Herald this morning about this, and guess what,it is all taken from this thread so everyone on here who has 'villified' the barking fans or slagged them off be famous for a few minutes, you have managed to drag our club into the press' knee jerk reactionary standards, unless it was a freelancer you sold them the story of course Oh, and I seem to remember we had a problem last season with Celtic players being abused - by TFOD fans who were in the East stand, or was it some of our fans who's big club is TFOD Edited November 2, 2010 by Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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