ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Seems to me that Mr Lomas has a strategy emerging that players outwith his main 15-17 first choices should be playing first team football elsewhere. Caddis has gone to Arbroath for a month, Parkin looks to be going to Ayr United, May has been offered for loan, and Reynalds is already out on loan. Personally I think this is great, and think that teams miss a trick by keeping their three best u-21s as bench warmers, when they never get off the bench anyway. It would be just as well to give three 10 year olds (exagerating in case that isn't obvious) a pitch side view and get the best u-21s playing footy somewhere. Looking at 'grown up' players like Haber who is clearly short of match practice and confidence, to the point that it makes him unlikely to feature for more than a late subby, getting real potential like May and Caddis playing football in competetive games is a massive priority in my opinion. Caddis will get great experience at Arbroath, under a boss that many thought would be a good shout for Saints. Can't think of a better place for him to go. Do you think i is a good idea, or unecessarily exposing players to injury etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Totally agree with the loan situation. There is generally a clause that allows the player to be recalled early should we need them as well. It is definitely beneficial to someone in Big Sams position, coming back from a long term injury. Fitness is one thing, match fitness another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingaporeSaint Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 This is good news and good to see Lomas putting his own stamp on things right from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I think we'd be as well scrapping our young teams. Our 2 best youngsters Muzz and Adams (plus SuperDave) have cost us the grand sum of £50k and I see buying young talent from SFL clubs as a better option. I wish we'd gone for the kid Sinclair from Montrose, there's a good few Championship teams watching him now I'd class Haber as a youngster and one that's a damn sight more talented than any others on our books that have come through the system (Moon aside). I just don't see the player in Stevie May, he'll be with one of the Saints Reserve Angus Select before long. Edited November 24, 2011 by ryangordon86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'd class Haber as a youngster and one that's a damn sight more talented than any others on our books that have come through the system (Moon aside). Exactly, but this is the point I was trying to make above. He is of suitable quality to be third choice striker, and therefore in the nomans land of being required on the bench to back up SaS, who are undeniably worthy of their starting places. Haber can't go out on loan, because we need a striker on the bench who is good enough now to replace SorS if an injury or fatigue set in (as is often the case with Sandaza). I worry that keeping the likes of May, Reynalds and Caddis on the bench to meet the u-21 quota with players 'almost' good enough is really prepping them for a position like Haber has now, which is downright unfair on them. Remember 24 months ago Haber was at a Premiership side with high hopes. Injury and a subsequent lack of games has put him in a difficult position career wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraudman Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 RyanGordon what a ridiculous suggestion. Saints have an excellent 19's squad if every club failed to develop their own players where would any club be able to source these £50K players from. The young boys at Saints and every other team give up their education and their social life to chase the dream. Scottish football will soon depend on youth and it should be encouraged not belittled by nonsense like you are spouting, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I think we'd be as well scrapping our young teams. Our 2 best youngsters Muzz and Adams (plus SuperDave) have cost us the grand sum of £50k and I see buying young talent from SFL clubs as a better option. I wish we'd gone for the kid Sinclair from Montrose, there's a good few Championship teams watching him now I'd class Haber as a youngster and one that's a damn sight more talented than any others on our books that have come through the system (Moon aside). I just don't see the player in Stevie May, he'll be with one of the Saints Reserve Angus Select before long. Sorry Can't agree with any of that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Sammy Johnston Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) I think we'd be as well scrapping our young teams. Our 2 best youngsters Muzz and Adams (plus SuperDave) have cost us the grand sum of £50k and I see buying young talent from SFL clubs as a better option. I wish we'd gone for the kid Sinclair from Montrose, there's a good few Championship teams watching him now I'd class Haber as a youngster and one that's a damn sight more talented than any others on our books that have come through the system (Moon aside). I just don't see the player in Stevie May, he'll be with one of the Saints Reserve Angus Select before long. Pish! Scottish football will soon be dependant on homegrown talent, so why scrap it? Especially the likes of our team. We need to push grass roots and encourage talent to come through, scrapping it would make our game worse in a very short space of time. Encourage it, encourage our youngsters if you don't then the likes of mooner (one of very few)will never break through. Remember Rangers, who brought the best players to Scotland are now on the verge, and us little diddy St Johnstone are 4th in the league, with no debt, a new ambitious manger and a massive reason to be happy. Scrapping our youngsters is not an option. Edited November 26, 2011 by Super Sammy Johnston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crieffsaintandy Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Ryan the kids are the way forward for all of Scottish football. I still don't get your Haber love in, aye got the potential to be a good player, but what I have seen of him so far, has he done anything more than say Stevie May in the game time they both have been given. Also how much of the Under 19s do you watch, to make the above comment, he is more talented than any other on the books? I don't know, but I think you are swayed a bit with him coming from a team from the so called greatest league in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Our production of young players has been traditionally awful down the years. Moon is the first player to achieve anything of note since C Davidson. If there was significant enough talent in the 19's, I'd question why none of them are getting 10-15 mins match time. The so-called best league in the world regularly break in kids at 18 but we seem incapable. My suggestion of scrapping the 19's was over exaggerated to convey the sheer lack of players making the grade at our club in the 15-20 years I've been regularly attending. I stand by my view and think that a reserve/u21 league would serve us better. I still feel we could be cherry picking talent from wee teams like Dundee and other SFL clubs. I don't see it in Stevie May, I'd love to be proven wrong but in his performances last year he didn't look nearly ready for the first team nearly all of the time. Perhaps Del has done him a disservice by keeping him benched rather than potentially giving him 2 seasons in the first Division to bulk up and gain competitive match experience. My view on Haber has nothing to do with him playing for WBA, I judge players on what I see on the park and I'm pretty sure he'll go on to be a key player for us and you can bookmark this if you like!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin saint Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Is this not on the new manager's remit to get out and get involved with the local schools. There is plenty of young talented football player's from Perthshire who have in the past never been looked at by previous managers . Youth is the way forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I said it at the time and many times since, but the biggest problem in Scottish football was the short term money saving scrapping of the reserve leagues - there is no way of now bringing on the youngsters against better/senior players other than the cut throat SPL and it takes a brave manager to throw them in. Young lads down south have invariably had a good grounding in the reserves and have proven they are capable of making the step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJ Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Remember Rangers, who brought the best players to Scotland are now on the verge, and us little diddy St Johnstone are 4th in the league, with no debt, a new ambitious manger and a massive reason to be happy. Scrapping our youngsters is not an option. How many of the team that see's us 4th in the SPL did we buy in and how many are our home produced youngsters? To see how successful our youth set up has been folk should look through the lower leagues, from Andy Jackson down. I'm with Ryan. From what I see, we invest a lot yet rarely bring through a first team player. One ever 10 years or so is derisible especially for a club that needs to count every penny. I don't think we even get fees for the players that go to lower league clubs as they are freed by us. The reserve league needs to be brought back and games played at times supporters can actually get to them. Playing on the likes of a Friday afternoon is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I still don't get your Haber love in, aye got the potential to be a good player, but what I have seen of him so far, has he done anything more than say Stevie May in the game time they both have been given. Aye that Haber's no better than May Amazing what he can do with more than a 5 min sub appearance. He'll have a right to feel upset if he doesn't start at Tynie next week. As I said earlier this week, he'll be a key player for us, I think he's a cracking player. That was the Marcus Haber today that I saw last season in pre-season when funnily enough he also got more than 5 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 The argument to scrap the youth teams is absolute nonsense. We may not have had a conveyor belt of talent but that may be perhaps with not identifying the correct youngsters or even if we have then not bringing them through properly. The last few years however looks as if improvement is on the way. Its not something that can be done overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crieffsaintandy Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Aye that Haber's no better than May Amazing what he can do with more than a 5 min sub appearance. He'll have a right to feel upset if he doesn't start at Tynie next week. As I said earlier this week, he'll be a key player for us, I think he's a cracking player. That was the Marcus Haber today that I saw last season in pre-season when funnily enough he also got more than 5 mins. All about opinions mate, have disagreed with you in the past (Ando, Sheridan, Deucher etc,) and will do so in the future probably, the lad did very well today and took his chance, seemed more committed than the earlier games I have seen him in this season and is a very good finisher, hope it kick starts his season. BTW May never got 5 mins so where's the comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 The reserve league needs to be brought back and games played at times supporters can actually get to them. Playing on the likes of a Friday afternoon is ridiculous. that is already in the pipeline with games being played on Monday nights at team grounds. Friday afternoon should be the stipulated time for all under 19 matches which would prevent players at under 19 missing out on matches due to being first team subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cagey Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 On 11/27/2011 at 1:07 PM, mainstand said: that is already in the pipeline with games being played on Monday nights at team grounds. Friday afternoon should be the stipulated time for all under 19 matches which would prevent players at under 19 missing out on matches due to being first team subs. Anyone know what happened to Mainstand. I used to enjoy my jousts with him. Never vindictive always humourous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setting Son Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 20 hours ago, Cagey said: Anyone know what happened to Mainstand. I used to enjoy my jousts with him. Never vindictive always humourous. I’d take a guess 🥲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 On 2/17/2024 at 9:39 PM, Cagey said: Anyone know what happened to Mainstand. I used to enjoy my jousts with him. Never vindictive always humourous. According to his profile page he's still visiting the site regularly and was last here on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 @Cagey As @blueheaven says I am still loitering in at various times, just a bit busy these days so don't post Setting Son, Saintdunc, MySpazz and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, mainstand said: @Cagey As @blueheaven says I am still loitering in at various times, just a bit busy these days so don't post Good to hear it 😍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 8 hours ago, mainstand said: @Cagey As @blueheaven says I am still loitering in at various times, just a bit busy these days so don't post Just out of prison IMO. mainstand and blueheaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saline Saint Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 Prisons awash with mobiles no excuse not to post, garydavidson and mainstand 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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