Standyourground Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Ha ha, yeah Im all for it, but I was just thinking, mad dictator ( salmond), oodles of oil !!! Does this sound familiar !!! The Americans will send the troops in and we'll all be toast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indicator Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 My heart says yes let's cut our ties to the English and tear up that dratted Act of Union that the traitor James VI and his lackey Queensberry got us into. My head says no, we'd get stuck with a large chunk of the national debt, have to adopt the euro and/or let London/Frankfrt set our interest rates. It would be like a South American banana republic with oil as the currency instead of bananas, and what would we do when all the oil runs oot? Might not have to worry about the Euro looking at tonights news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee john Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Salmond is a tosser in promising to deliver a referendum without/before having the authority to do so. He will lose. a master stroke if you ask me. e***and's rulers tell us it is illegal, thus more Scots get hacked off with them telling us what we can do again. more votes for YES. Salmond knows what he is doing. SCOTLAND WILL FLOURISH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee john Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 personally i don't think independence will get through but i think devolution max will. Very interesting few years ahead. what he said. I do want independence though. We can't do any worse. john1962 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 That wis ~200 years later Doc woosh swoosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wish i was Joe McGurn Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 SNP membership up 4% in the last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 SNP membership up 4% in the last week. Long way to go to pass the WAP Barossa Street club tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Long way to go to pass the WAP Barossa Street club tho Can you stop taking threads off topic please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse of Gowrie Saint Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I think SNP should gamble on a Yes/No vote. Devo Max will be delivered in the future regardless as there is political will across the other parties for it to happen. If there is an additional question on Devo Max on the ballot paper it may sway some voters from voting for independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjw Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Does a country not take a great chunk of income from taxation of the people? Can't see under 6 million people making education funds & infrastructure improve much. Forgot about all that oil we have tho,or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubands House Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Does a country not take a great chunk of income from taxation of the people? Can't see under 6 million people making education funds & infrastructure improve much. Forgot about all that oil we have tho,or not. Luxemburg aint got much oil and are doing fine(same population as edinburgh). Also how many countrys that used to be a part of the great british empire asked to come back after independence? (none). Ireland has only been independant since the 1920s, they are now not doing to well, do they want back in ? no, why not ? Infact there has been NO country that has gained independence that ever went back from it, why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJ Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 If there is an additional question on Devo Max on the ballot paper . The only additional question should be Are we not men? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjw Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Of course no country ever comes back. Or asks to come back. Would they be welcomed with open arms?? No.! Does Luxembourg have an income tax system? Bet it doesn't have as many spongers & jakeys draining the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse of Gowrie Saint Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Does a country not take a great chunk of income from taxation of the people? Can't see under 6 million people making education funds & infrastructure improve much. Forgot about all that oil we have tho,or not. Agree with your comments but is that not the whole point about independence. We get to decide how our money is allocated and how we spend it rather than being dictated to by westminster. One thing guaranteed is that we will not be spending money on trips around the middle east fighting wars in an independent Scotland. I think the majority would all agree the money could be better spend improving our infrastructure, education system and health. No politician can guarantee whether we would be better off financially or not but I would rather we had control of our destiny rather than trusting another country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wish i was Joe McGurn Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 http://alanbissett.com/2012/01/13/my-contribution-to-the-debate-on-scottish-independence/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Agree with your comments but is that not the whole point about independence. We get to decide how our money is allocated and how we spend it rather than being dictated to by westminster. One thing guaranteed is that we will not be spending money on trips around the middle east fighting wars in an independent Scotland. I think the majority would all agree the money could be better spend improving our infrastructure, education system and health. No politician can guarantee whether we would be better off financially or not but I would rather we had control of our destiny rather than trusting another country. Trying really hard not to get involved in these conversations but: Do you not envisage Scotland being part of NATO? We do decide at present how the money is allocated, but we do not decide on the total money to allocate. The Scottish Parliament don't at present have to bother about public sector, old age pensions, state benefits etc all that would have to be brought into the equation and administered. An awful lot to be thought about in the coming years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse of Gowrie Saint Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Trying really hard not to get involved in these conversations but: Do you not envisage Scotland being part of NATO? We do decide at present how the money is allocated, but we do not decide on the total money to allocate. The Scottish Parliament don't at present have to bother about public sector, old age pensions, state benefits etc all that would have to be brought into the equation and administered. An awful lot to be thought about in the coming years. An independent Scotland would withdraw from NATO due to the SNP's anti-nuclear policy . Personally I would rather have Edinburgh making decisions for me re pensions, benefits etc rather than London. Agree there is a lot to debate over the next 30 months but it could deliver a brighter future for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center Half Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Trying really hard not to get involved in these conversations but: Do you not envisage Scotland being part of NATO? We do decide at present how the money is allocated, but we do not decide on the total money to allocate. The Scottish Parliament don't at present have to bother about public sector, old age pensions, state benefits etc all that would have to be brought into the equation and administered. An awful lot to be thought about in the coming years. The thing is mainstand that is the view IMOP of somone looking after what he already has got. The thing is we have a young population who have nothing at present to hold on to and nothing to loose so as you say a lot to consider in the near future and all of sudden the Uk Prime minister is interested talking about Scotland so at least that is progress in my Opinion. Also Looks like Salmond is as popular as the pope with the gers today:laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjw Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 He gives me the heebie jeebies.! Him & sturgeon. Something well shifty about they two,in a brother & sister kinda way.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Does a country not take a great chunk of income from taxation of the people? Can't see under 6 million people making education funds & infrastructure improve much. Forgot about all that oil we have tho,or not. countries who are lucky enougth to have oil do not have to build their own infrastructures....they get them built by energy guzzling nations such as USA CHINA FRANCE GERMANY and others...anyway what infrastructures do we need that we do not have already? Scotland supplies 64 pc of the fish consumation in France...the Spaniards prob more and then you have the Japsineed...if independant and not in the EC....european countries will not have the right to fish in our waters is Ravenscraig still open?....we need to develop our own industries and make more trade with our european neighbours ( count less on england for supplies and for exporting our whisky frum Southampton this is an oppertunity for creating finacial suqcess for.....? somebuddies Scottish so get yer dunce caps out all you universty A levels and more and take up this challenge to make us rich in a more social comfortable and healthy nation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wish i was Joe McGurn Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 countries who are lucky enougth to have oil do not have to build their own infrastructures....they get them built by energy guzzling nations such as USA CHINA FRANCE GERMANY and others...anyway what infrastructures do we need that we do not have already? Scotland supplies 64 pc of the fish consumation in France...the Spaniards prob more and then you have the Japsineed...if independant and not in the EC....european countries will not have the right to fish in our waters is Ravenscraig still open?....we need to develop our own industries and make more trade with our european neighbours ( count less on england for supplies and for exporting our whisky frum Southampton this is an oppertunity for creating finacial suqcess for.....? somebuddies Scottish so get yer dunce caps out all you universty A levels and more and take up this challenge to make us rich in a more social comfortable and healthy nation Ravenscraig went years ago, site cleaned up and now houses cover it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY5565 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 so we build a new one and start building ships....can do lots of things with ships ( more employment and more tax and profits...and if built on the west coast will reduce delinquence ....a dude with coin in his pocket doesnt need to thieve.....+ most will be OF fans and many wont be able to make some matches due to work....now if that disnnae swing yer vote...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubands House Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Ex Labour leader and First minister Henry mcleish says that the current union with england is not fit for purpose.. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/mcleish-brands-union-as-not-fit-for-purpose.16461798 Edited January 15, 2012 by Hubands House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubands House Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Sign up folks...Learn the truth. http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/YES-to-an-Independent-Scotland/136640179747331 http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/business-opinion/bill-jamieson/mike_small_day_to_day_we_didn_t_exist_yet_all_of_a_sudden_here_we_are_1_2056986 Comment of the week......... Edited January 15, 2012 by Hubands House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubands House Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 a master stroke if you ask me. e***and's rulers tell us it is illegal, thus more Scots get hacked off with them telling us what we can do again. more votes for YES. Salmond knows what he is doing. SCOTLAND WILL FLOURISH Correct john.... And mr cameron will start off week 2 as bad as he started week 1..... He shall now be known as... Dig a hole Dave.....!! http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/295749/David-Cameron-in-new-threat-to-Alex-Salmond . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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