PauloPerth Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Quoted from Pie and Bovril, from a Motherwell supporter: BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT The club is again facing a potential shortfall of cash in the second half of the season. It has lost a combined £780,000 in the two seasons 2011-13, and has predicted a loss for last season. In February 2013, the Well Society helped the club meet a cash shortfall of £150,000 by buying shares. Last season the Well Society lent the club £230,000, which has been repaid: the club also borrowed £125,000 from an asset finance company. With the cup exits this season and difficulty in replicating last season's SPFL prize money, there is the real prospect of a bigger shortfall. While the club has no bank debt it still owes more than £360,000 to John Boyle, who has security over the stadium as a condition. If we cannot meet the shortfall together, the club will need to be sold and could be sold very quickly. So, Motherwell supporters can help by, PROVIDING A LOAN We have come up with a range of benefits (outlined below) that will be provided to anyone who can lend the club enough money as part of a consortium. The stadium would be used as security for the lending consortium on a pro-rata basis. We are looking for pledges of £10,000 upwards. Lender Benefits In summary, in return for pooling their resources and providing the loan it is proposed that the consortium members will receive the following key benefits: all loan amounts repaid over an agreed timescale, with the club stadium providing loan security and protection a competitive rate of interest, paid annually a combined 20% share of any player's transfer fee to another club a combined 20% share of any surplus if the club reaches the Scottish Cup Final all benefits of the Well Society's amber members a guarantee that John Boyle will transfer his shares to the Well Society, confirming fan ownership of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 £10000 for a new website seems rather high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Did you not ask hm why he is killing our very club And what brings you to that conclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDT Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Let's just say we come 10th this season, avoiding relegation whilst at the same time paying for all these required improvements..... Then next season we add a bit more quality/few more faces in the squad and improve..... Would some be willing to call it a good business gamble? gingermunkie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsy Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Let's just say we come 10th this season, avoiding relegation whilst at the same time paying for all these required improvements..... Then next season we add a bit more quality/few more faces in the squad and improve..... Would some be willing to call it a good business gamble? if the chairman had made this completely clear to the fans then fair enough but they way he went about his business over the summer was farcical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Let's just say we come 10th this season, avoiding relegation whilst at the same time paying for all these required improvements..... Then next season we add a bit more quality/few more faces in the squad and improve..... Would some be willing to call it a good business gamble? Not necessarily. The damage may have been done by driving away the new fans. Pelosi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Not necessarily. The damage may have been done by driving away the new fans. Did their driving create more pot holes to be repaired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Did their driving create more pot holes to be repaired? Possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Ok folks, have put together a breakdown of the infrastructure constantly referred to on WAP for your information. This info was made freely available last night at the Q&A last night. As the Chairman quite rightly alluded to, the stadium is now 25 years old and from a maintenance point of view should be maintained as an asset to a high level, both to satisfy the match day certification and also the customers. Happy to answer any questions. Element Reason Cost £ CURRENT YEAR General Stadium Maintenance Required £50,000 Reseed of main & training pitches Required £25,000 Renew Astroturf Required to gain Elite status £200,000 Remedials to Floodlights Required upgrade £25,000 New Website £10,000 New Scoreboard Replacement £25,000 AirCon Renewal Necessary replacement £10,000 £345,000 FUTURE PLANS All Weather Floodlights Replacement £50,000 Fire Alarm Replace - obsolete £60,000 Laundry Equipment Replace - obsolete £25,000 £135,000 WISH LIST FOR STADIUM Install Lift Main Stand DDA Enhancement £150,000 Tarmac Resurfacing 12acres to manage £500,000 £650,000 Thanks for posting this up. Could you or someone else who was there give us a write up on the various questions and answers that were raised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintglenn72 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Thanks for posting this up. Could you or someone else who was there give us a write up on the various questions and answers that were raised? Give me a day or so to decipher my notes and I'll get all the responses up for you. blueheaven and Cagerf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 £10000 for a new website seems rather high. Must be a helluva new website for that very high price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Must be a helluva new website for that very high price. It will be one of SB's mates that got the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'd do them a website for half that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDT Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 People do nothing but moan about how poor or website is, but then complain when they plan to spend money on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 People do nothing but moan about how poor or website is, but then complain when they plan to spend money on it. I've no problem with spending money on a new website, but come on, £10K??? That's taking the piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I can imagine that website cost will include on going maintenance/management of the site plus hosting for the website as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Beatson Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Getting that kind of thing done by a professional company - especially if it involves some kind of eCommerce system - isn't cheap. At all. fazman1977 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintglenn72 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Getting that kind of thing done by a professional company - especially if it involves some kind of eCommerce system - isn't cheap. At all. Agreed! My work just paid £30k for their new site, but that included design, hosting and ongoing maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenko82 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I think if the webpage is also being updated to support mobiles devices and the variety of different internet browsing platforms then that price probably isn't too bad. If it also includes online purchase of tickets, merchandise etc then it's probably outstanding value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Sack the Board calls - at St Johnstone? Surely you are having a laugh. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Presumably we've not spent £10,000 on the website yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 If it also includes online purchase of tickets, merchandise etc then it's probably outstanding value This is Saints we're talking about, LAUGH OUT LOUD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Interesting wall of silence since this meeting. Very surprising as the club are normally very good at communicating such matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Looks like a few figures made up on the back of a fag packet to justify making an arse of the close season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Getting that kind of thing done by a professional company - especially if it involves some kind of eCommerce system - isn't cheap. At all.Although what the club should do is contact either the college or Dundee uni. IT students usually require a software project in their final year. This would be free. It gives a student a project they can work with an actual client rather than a pretend one as well. The club get a free site. They would obviously need to get it hosted etc. Worst comes to worst they don't need to use it if it's not quite up to scratch. The student could still go away and work on it after the project is over and the club could pay them some sort of fee if it is good. Would save them a lot of ££. Could the club think outside the box a bit. For things like the new fire alarm system or the new air con they could think outside the box a bit for those type of things too imo. Come to some sort of arrangement for say getting it at cost price in return for free season tickets for staff or certain amounts of hospitality etc. Just examples but I'd like to think the club do these kind of things already. Edited November 2, 2014 by PerthSeany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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