andrew Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Attend protests, fly flags, display banners and organise boycotts. However do the west have the courage to implement effective measures? A true boycott would involve almost all everyday items, many of which originated in Israel. Mobile technology, text messaging, computer chips, dual flush toilets, irrigation and crop management systems used the world over, flash drives, security entry systems, MRI scanners and a plethora of other medical devices, investigative techniques and treatments. The list is enormous. Ignorance, selfishness and cowardice prevent any effective, real action being taken, whether at individual or national level. I'm not on any side. I deem it foolish to be so. I have dear friends over there on either side of the divide. Clearly both sides are in the wrong. We will not solve it over here. This is no Ireland or South Africa. The conflict aside, Israel is alone in the Middle East in its human rights record. Try getting a woman elected or building a church in an Arab country! Anti-government bias would not lead to the result it would in neighbouring states. I am not defending Israel not engaging in a polemic regarding any Arabs. I do think we are shallow and, at times, foolish in the extreme. P&KC and Stirling council boycotts. Posters in Dundee Uni. I have seen the suffering and spent time in the West Bank and been where the tourists don't get to go. The worst attitude I have seen came from our friends in the US. This is far more complex than olives, wine and oranges. It especially, for me, has no place at football, and St Johnstone in particular. This isn't the place for this, so I won't post anything else. Please, let's leave it out of St Johnstone. Balhousie Blue 1884 and SundayGirl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'm angry at Uefa more than the individual. How can this fine be justifiable? Showing your support for Palestine at a football match is absolutely pointless as it does nothing to help those poor individuals being bombarded and having their homes and life's destroyed on a daily basis, but I don't understand why it warrants punishment? Maybe if we were playing an Israeli team I could see the issue, but this is genuinely ridiculous. SaintDougie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'm angry at Uefa more than the individual. How can this fine be justifiable? Showing your support for Palestine at a football match is absolutely pointless as it does nothing to help those poor individuals being bombarded and having their homes and life's destroyed on a daily basis, but I don't understand why it warrants punishment? Maybe if we were playing an Israeli team I could see the issue, but this is genuinely ridiculous. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) It was a stupid decision to bring a Palestine flag to the match in the first place, although the fine seems a bit OTT. It isn't really the same as bringing a Scotland/Union Jack flag in order to make a political statement. The Israel/Palestine situation is an incredibly serious one which really has no business being brought up in this country at a football match. Nonetheless, a slap on the wrist and a warning of a potential fine on the next occasion would have sufficed. Edited September 2, 2014 by The Real Saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethamsaintee Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 The Merits of whether a Palestine flag at McDiarmid is idiotic or otherwise shouldn't matter. Although personally can't see the point. Utterly appalling and abhorrent decision by UEFA yet again. The lad who brought the flag should not he pilloried at all - not any different from a France flag or a Poland flag, whether we like it or not. If the flag had a message like 'Israel, go **** Yourself' then I could maybe sympathise with the view that he should be banned. I hope Saints appeal it, state that all countries and their flags are welcome at McDiarmid and stick one right up the arseholes that continue to ruin our game. McCarry One Nil and Grovesred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 It was a stupid decision to bring a Palestine flag to the match in the first place, although the fine seems a bit OTT. It isn't really the same as bringing a Scotland/Union Jack flag in order to make a political statement. The Israel/Palestine situation is an incredibly serious one which really has no business being brought up in this country at a football match. Nonetheless, a slap on the wrist and a warning of a potential fine on the next occasion would have sufficed. Take it you are owning up to it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagerf Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Whatever the merits of the flag waving the fine has brought the fact to a much higher level giving the display much more publicity. I was hat the game and was not aware of the flag until the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley saint Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley saint Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Do I have to submit paperwork when I buy a non Scottish flag for the SJFC EXILES? garydavidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Seems well over the top. Was it a Celtic fan in our ground ?? Yes, quite a large amount hence why the flag was there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 why was my post deleted you scoots!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Nice weather today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Nice weather today. Yes,yes it is. Getting inspired for a song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Yes,yes it is. Getting inspired for a song? Perhaps. I have written a few lines already. I see trees of green, red roses too. I see them bloom for me and you. And I think to myself.. Then I got stuck. Will let you know if I think of anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 why was my post deleted you scoots!! If it's the one with your address,then I suspect it's to save the postman from sending you lots of gay porn chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 why was my post deleted you scoots!! Nothing wrong with scoots,its a way of life to some.kindly use another derogatory term like flunge head.thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Was it just me singing 'Free Palestine' to the tune of Sweet Caroline, then? (I'm pure #joking btw) monkfish and Calinho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sorry back on topic . Uefa can go fuque themselves and ram there stupid fine.where the sun don't shine.stjohnstone should also withdraw from there competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Dont agree with flag bearer getting banned or even the suggestion saint in the city, Grovesred and lethamsaintee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akuram Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Surely the stewards and the police should have taken action as soon as the flag became aware to them and removed it and the person who took it in because they are paid to keep order by the club. They should be held responsible and pay the fine in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Surely the stewards and the police should have taken action as soon as the flag became aware to them and removed it and the person who took it in because they are paid to keep order by the club. They should be held responsible and pay the fine in my opinion. Did the club, police or stewards know about this 'rule' though? Is it even a rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livi saint Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) I assume palestine flags are allowed at domestic matches? Edited September 2, 2014 by livi saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I just got a text from a Celtic supporting friend, they have also been given one of these stupid fines and have written for the formal explanation as have we. Not sure if the Celtic one is European or domestic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Strasser Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Whilst the penalty is draconian - I stand by what I said earlier. Saints Flags for Saints games. Do you really want to go down the Green Brigade "Blod" soaked poppies route and jump on whatever bandwagon will get you some attention. Although it doesn't feel it at times McDiarmid is a place of entertainment not a political arena. We have free speech in this country and should you wish to air your views get yourself a couple of Irn Bru crates and do a Jim Murphy round Scotland. There are only two clubs politicising the game - lets not go down that route. Balhousie Blue 1884, Cagey, uphallsaint and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Is the rationale not something to do with Palestine not being an official state, which is why you can go wild with an Israel flag like sevco, but a Palestinian one is a no no? I don't agree with that btw, but I have it in my head that's the reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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