Fair Maid Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/14/child-benefit-limited-two-children-iain-duncan-smith Who reckons it should be capped at two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/14/child-benefit-limited-two-children-iain-duncan-smith Who reckons it should be capped at two? Well ids has set everyone else against each other with his gestapo propaganda, why not go for the kids now, mmm where have we seen that before. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/14/child-benefit-limited-two-children-iain-duncan-smith Who reckons it should be capped at two?me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 IDS should be capped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 IDS should be capped. IDS should be stuck up against a wall along with the rest of the so-called "elites" and shot. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 IDS should be stuck up against a wall along with the rest of the so-called "elites" and shot. Why waste a bullet guillotine them. Mike and Denzil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fair Maid Posted December 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 me Explain why? The rest of you, irrespective of your views regarding IDS, surely you can understand taxpayers being hacked off at having to subsidise irresponsible parents who breed continuously without real means of financially supporting their own children? I don't think withdrawing the CB is the answer, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Instead of just always blaming the poor and the disengaged. Maybe we should be looking at addressing inequalities? Denzil and Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Explain why? I know it is almost Xmas, but the season of miracles (and answers to simple questions) is not yet upon us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brogan Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't think it's as simple as 'blaming the poor'. I'm usually in favour of universal benefits, but child benefit is surely worth looking at - though rather than cap it, I'd like to see someone investigate whether it would be practicable to offer it in the form of clothes vouchers or food vouchers for fresh fruit rather than cash. Subsidising recyclable nappies would be another idea. saintee4life 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Explain why? The rest of you, irrespective of your views regarding IDS, surely you can understand taxpayers being hacked off at having to subsidise irresponsible parents who breed continuously without real means of financially supporting their own children? I don't think withdrawing the CB is the answer, thoughWell if you're sitting with a big bank balance you're quite well off do you really need to be taking whatever child benefit is nowadays from the state? And on the other side of the coin if you are further down the wealth ladder you shouldn't be having anymore than 2 kids if you cant comfortably afford them. Some women churn them out for fun just to rake in benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't think it's as simple as 'blaming the poor'. I'm usually in favour of universal benefits, but child benefit is surely worth looking at - though rather than cap it, I'd like to see someone investigate whether it would be practicable to offer it in the form of clothes vouchers or food vouchers for fresh fruit rather than cash. Subsidising recyclable nappies would be another idea.Brogan you are spot there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Here is the problem. Scotland has a rapidly ageing population...pensions are paid by those in work.....if current trends are not arrested, Scotland will have more people on pensions and benefits than in work and no modern economy can sustain in these circumstances...... Scotland will become a basket case with standards of living, infrastructure, healthcare, education taking a nose dive..... therefore anyone with half a brain cell can see that we must increase the birthrate quickly, so as to increase the number of those among us who are of working age going forward. IMO these are our options; (i) increase immigration for migrants of child bareing age (ii) incentivise having children through tax breaks and benefits (iii) Pipe Barry White records into peoples bedrooms (iv) Listen to invidious bigoted morons who cannot see past the end of there effin noses and watch our society crumble I would favour a combination of the first three. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I like your assessment Smarmy however, an additional problem that many of those children (that are the future etc etc) grow up in an environment where they have no aspiration to ever work, and in turn become an even bigger draw on the welfare state, and even when they do want to work, they are raised in households that do not support them through education, not caring if they go to school / stick in at school etc. There is also an argument that there is only a limited number of jobs, so increasing the potential workforce just means more surplus to places available Fair Maid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 We need to bring back workhouses imo. Smarmy Arab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I like your assessment Smarmy however, an additional problem that many of those children (that are the future etc etc) grow up in an environment where they have no aspiration to ever work, and in turn become an even bigger draw on the welfare state, and even when they do want to work, they are raised in households that do not support them through education, not caring if they go to school / stick in at school etc. There is also an argument that there is only a limited number of jobs, so increasing the potential workforce just means more surplus to places available Intergenerational worklessness is relatively rare Ed (see link from the excellent JRF) and I accept we as a society need to create the jobs or there is no point, but that is the challenge! http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/cultures-of-worklessness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't think it's as simple as 'blaming the poor'. I'm usually in favour of universal benefits, but child benefit is surely worth looking at - though rather than cap it, I'd like to see someone investigate whether it would be practicable to offer it in the form of clothes vouchers or food vouchers for fresh fruit rather than cash. Subsidising recyclable nappies would be another idea. Who would decide the value of these vouchers? Do they apply for Tesco "finest" or Tesco "value"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 We need to bring back workhouses imo. Good call Rik.....let Dickens give a seasonal angle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Who would decide the value of these vouchers? Do they apply for Tesco "finest" or Tesco "value"?pound shops, the vouchers would go further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Would it not be a better idea that those of a working age that are British and are able to work are made to work or get no benefits and if there are any jobs left then the migrant workers fill them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 pound shops, the vouchers would go further Unless the traditional Poundshop is now stocking more foodstuff than Haribo,Irn Bru and Rustlers microwave burgers it may not be the best way forward. Unless of course you are hoping that the poor all die off due to "lifestyle" illnesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunblanemike Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Intergenerational worklessness is relatively rare Ed (see link from the excellent JRF) and I accept we as a society need to create the jobs or there is no point, but that is the challenge! http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/cultures-of-worklessness now smarmy.....stop bringing real evidence to the debate!! If only it would stop the wild haverings of some on here... IDS is a master of spin, have a look at what his report says about child poverty. The guy is clueless about what it is like to live in breadline Britain. Child benefit is vital - capping it will not make a great deal of difference (except to the few families with more than two kids) as there are not that many cases it would apply to. Again though, why let facts get in the way of daily mail reader hyperbole. we have moved from unemployed poverty to employed poverty, virtual slave labour. A continuing wheeze is to get the unemployed on training courses for self employment. Once they have done the course they are then classed as self employed and no longer appear on the unemployed list and cannot claim benefit, they are left high and dry!! I could go on...... Lets face it, there are not enough decent paid jobs to go round while the austerity cuts are ongoing (maybe not if they were not, to be honest). Scotland missed an opportunity to make a real difference...... Tranmere Saintee, Smarmy Arab and rik2304 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Unless the traditional Poundshop is now stocking more foodstuff than Haribo,Irn Bru and Rustlers microwave burgers it may not be the best way forward. Unless of course you are hoping that the poor all die off due to "lifestyle" illnesses.rik2304 you would be amazed at what you can get in there nowadays and also shops like B and M bargains no need for anyone to starve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 rik2304 you would be amazed at what you can get in there nowadays and also shops like B and M bargains no need for anyone to starve You are not convincing me that B&M and Poundshops are the answer to poverty. If that was the case then why are Foodbanks on the rise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee4life Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 You are not convincing me that B&M and Poundshops are the answer to poverty. If that was the case then why are Foodbanks on the rise?didnt say they were the answer to poverty I said the food vouchers would go further in there than tesco. You can easily buy the ingredients and cook a decent enough meal for four for well under a tenner from any of those shops. Surely better than a McDonald's meal that many kids have as their diet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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