Corbyn. Braw. Discuss.

[Abernethy Saint]

See above.

[Edstar101]

Didn't really matter who won, they are a dying party

[andy rhodes fancy watch]

Funny as **** to be honest. 

[Paul N Shark]

If he's the best Labour can muster they are well and truly ****ed.

[Oldermoresensiblepack]

Funnily enough he was the only REAL LABOUR candidate among them.

They have a hell of a lot of work to undo what Tony Blair done to the Labour Party before they get my vote back.

[sleepless]

well, it's braw if you're happy for the tories to pursue an even more aggressively right wing agenda for the next four years because it doesn't matter a fig what they do, they'll still get an overall majority at the next election. I was at the NALGO conference on the day of the Michael foot general election and it still ranks as one of the most depressing days of my life. I expect a re-run in 2020.

[canuck_saint]

The Tories could easily tear themselves apart over the EU referendum, wouldnt be the 1st time.

UKIP (remember, more votes than the nats and the libs combined at the last election) are far from a spent force. The rise of the english far right is just about being balanced by the leftie Corbynmania.

Add in SNPs probable calling of another plebiscite...

Id say we are more likely to go down the coalition road in the future, given the country as a whole is so politically and financially divided

[Cagey]

Up there with Michael Foote & Niel Kinnock. You couldn't make it up.

[Abernethy Saint]

Not very interesting fact No. 1,456. The guy who held Corbyn's seat before he did was......wait for it.....one Micheal O'Halloran.

[AthensSaint]

David Cameron is proving to be a fantastic PM. The longer he is in power the more steady and reliable he becomes.

Cameron and his Party must be ecstatic about the Labour leadership result.

In saying this, my political beliefs are in the minority (right of centre). Maybe those left of centre do now have a leader that gives them hope. Let's see but I reckon that the Labour Party will implode soon with ultra in-fighting.

Also, Corbyn will end SNP dominance in Scotland if he survives.

A very interesting situation.

 

     

        

        

[Brogan]

Also, Corbyn will end SNP dominance in Scotland if he survives.

To do that he'd have to impose UK Labour policies on Scottish Labour, which would only highlight Scottish Labour's branch office status. It would also entail another embarrassing policy shift for Kezia Dugdale.

[dunblanemike]

David Cameron is proving to be a fantastic PM. The longer he is in power the more steady and reliable he becomes.

Cameron and his Party must be ecstatic about the Labour leadership result.

In saying this, my political beliefs are in the minority (right of centre). Maybe those left of centre do now have a leader that gives them hope. Let's see but I reckon that the Labour Party will implode soon with ultra in-fighting.

Also, Corbyn will end SNP dominance in Scotland if he survives.

A very interesting situation.

 

     

        

        

I have reported the first paragraph for rank stupidity..... :-)

it may look from a distance that DC is a fantastic PM but when you see what his policies are doing here on the ground I would hope you would change your mind. Yeah, I took the bait.

 

as for Corbyn, he appears to have galvanised former lab voters who gave up once new labour took over. Don't forget the extreme right wing Tories got in with only 26% of the vote. Labour do not need too much of a swing to win. Unlikely I know given our extreme right wing press looking after the rulers.

ps why is it anyone left of centre is called extreme? This current mob are far more extreme on the right.

[canuck_saint]

Youre right athens the extreme right is a minority vote in the uk. the tories (and together with their slightly nastier bretheren in UKIP)  polled less than a third of the elecorate yet got a workable majority at the election. What does that say about the current system? Democracy? doesnt seem so to many.

 

 

[SaintJet]

David Cameron is proving to be a fantastic PM. The longer he is in power the more steady and reliable he becomes.

Cameron and his Party must be ecstatic about the Labour leadership result.

In saying this, my political beliefs are in the minority (right of centre). Maybe those left of centre do now have a leader that gives them hope. Let's see but I reckon that the Labour Party will implode soon with ultra in-fighting.

Also, Corbyn will end SNP dominance in Scotland if he survives.

A very interesting situation.

 

     

        

        

Great post and nice to know there is some other Saints thinking like me.

Corbyn is a political dinosaur from a time when militant politics had some sort of foothold in the UK. Politics have changed and the Labour party as it was known has gone forever.

 

[Edstar101]

Open up the loss making mines I say

[Crossest Man In Scotland]

Youre right athens the extreme right is a minority vote in the uk. the tories (and together with their slightly nastier bretheren in UKIP)  polled less than a third of the elecorate yet got a workable majority at the election. What does that say about the current system? Democracy? doesnt seem so to many.

 

 

Actually right wing parties (Tory + UKIP + NI Unionists) won 51% of votes cast. Left wing theories always end disastrously when attempted to be put into practice. Check out Greece, Zimbabwe, Venezuela , North Korea or the old Eastern Europe before the fall of Berlin Wall.

 We have never had it so good. Living standards across the board in UK are much higher than a generation ago. Look at the number of cars on the road, people taking foreign holidays, advances in technology, longer life expectancy etc, etc. 

[canuck_saint]

Actually right wing parties (Tory + UKIP + NI Unionists) won 51% of votes cast. Left wing theories always end disastrously when attempted to be put into practice. Check out Greece, Zimbabwe, Venezuela , North Korea or the old Eastern Europe before the fall of Berlin Wall.

 We have never had it so good. Living standards across the board in UK are much higher than a generation ago. Look at the number of cars on the road, people taking foreign holidays, advances in technology, longer life expectancy etc, etc. 

how about you actually read my post before jumping on it....." less than a third of the elecorate" - thats pretty self explanatory. nothing to do with the numbers of votes cast.

Comparing a leftish socialist britain to zimbabwe, north korea or even the old soviet bloc is laughable at the very least - they were/are all dictatorships. Are you insinuating socialism is akin to some kind of stalinism? Scandanavia seems to have a very socialist society without the need of a Stazi pulling out fingernails and shooting people up against the nearest wall.

And of course were better off than a generation ago, isnt every generation?

[Crossest Man In Scotland]

how about you actually read my post before jumping on it....." less than a third of the elecorate" - thats pretty self explanatory. nothing to do with the numbers of votes cast.

Comparing a leftish socialist britain to zimbabwe, north korea or even the old soviet bloc is laughable at the very least - they were/are all dictatorships. Are you insinuating socialism is akin to some kind of stalinism? Scandanavia seems to have a very socialist society without the need of a Stazi pulling out fingernails and shooting people up against the nearest wall.

And of course were better off than a generation ago, isnt every generation?

Scandinavian countries have high rates of taxation (not popular with UK electorate) but they cannot be described as socialist as they operate free market economies.

 It is only in counties which enjoy the benefits of free market capitalism in which each generation is better off than the one before. Look at the economic growth in China, India and Eastern Europe in the past 25 years since they turned their backs on planned economies.

 As I see it, all nations which have experimented with a planned economy have no choice but to become totalitarian to a greater or lesser degree as they need to clamp down on free enterprise. I want the prosperity, choices and freedom brought about by the free market and am perfectly prepared to accept the income inequalities which are part and parcel of this.

[canuck_saint]

..and a completely free market, in which multinational corporations like amazon and starbucks, are now so much bigger than individual nations that they can abuse local tax authorities and laws. Pay workers a pittance and expect the taxpayer to pick up the shortfall.

As Teddy Roosevelt said about a century ago"

We need to set our faces like flint against mob-violence just as against corporate greed; against violence and injustice and lawlessness by wage-workers just as much as against lawless cunning and greed and selfish arrogance of employers"

[dunblanemike]

 We have never had it so good. Living standards across the board in UK are much higher than a generation ago. Look at the number of cars on the road, people taking foreign holidays, advances in technology, longer life expectancy etc, etc. 

I have highlighted the bit in this sentence that is so, so wrong. Child poverty is higher now than a generation ago and IDS wants to change the way we count the number of kids in poverty so that we can forget about 'em. A half of households in poverty actually have at least one person in the household who is working. So much for the tory mantra of getting folk into work breaking the poverty trap. Poor wages are keeping folk in poverty.

Capitalism is on its last legs. it is all about exploitation, of the environment, you, me, everything. what happens when there is nowt else to exploit? A social democracy is the way to go, like Scandi countries.

PS socialism does not necessarily mean a planned economy. Generally, it is opposed to untrammelled workings of the economic market. The bankers who caused the 2008 were pretty close to untrammelled but not entirely and had some controls in place. Imagine if those controls had not been there!

[andy rhodes fancy watch]

 

Also, Corbyn will end SNP dominance in Scotland if he survives.

 

     

        

        

explain in detail please.

[Honest Saints Fan]

13% of SNP voters say Corbyn makes them more likely to vote Labour. 18% say less. 58% say no difference. Yup, Athens definitely knows the political scene in Scotland.

[Abernethy Saint]

13% of SNP voters say Corbyn makes them more likely to vote Labour. 18% say less. 58% say no difference. Yup, Athens definitely knows the political scene in Scotland.

The polls I've seen in the last few days show the projected Labour vote in Scotland still dropping, and the SNP firmly on course for a landslide in May. Indeed, the most likely big event between now and then is Labour in Scotland dropping to third behind a slightly resurgent Tory party. Such was the extent of their treachery during Indy ref, and such is the depth of contempt they are now held in across Scotland, particularly in the previously core support households they so gleefully and stupidly betrayed by backing the Tories, that they are utterly fecked as far as elections in 2016 and 2017 go. Sure, the SNP won't dominate for ever - there will be no need for them once we are free - but the idea that the election as party leader of a bloke that, rightly or wrongly, is loathed by his own parliamentary parties in the UK and Scotland is going to bring about the SNP's fall from power is, with respect, barmy. 

By 2017, the SNP will hold virtually every seat at local, Scottish and UK level that the mathematics of the various PR systems allow them to. Even as a lifelong SNP supporter, I'm not comfortable with that. I don't see it changing until at least one of the opposition parties completely re-invents itself. In Scotland at least, they show no sign of even recognising the need to do so, still spouting the same old SNP Baaaaaaad shite day after day after day even as the only folk now supporting Labour are deranged Sevco supporters, the only folk supporting the Tories are dying off, and the only folk supporting the LibDems are too preoccupied supporting a self-confessed liar.

Around 80% of youngsters just coming into the electorate identify as SNP supporters. End of the SNP's dominance? We're just getting started......... We WILL be a Free People, and Corbyn is just a bit of light entertainment for the couple of years it will take for the English Oxbridge establishment to reclaim and tame their pet, token opposition party.

 

[babychunder]

The guy looks and acts like he fell into a coma in the mid 70s and just woke up. He'll be wondering what's happened to Slade, Jimmy Carter, flared troosers and lava lamps.

Edited September 15, 2015 by babychunder

[Oldermoresensiblepack]

The guy looks and acts like he fell into a coma in the mid 70s and just woke up. He'll be wondering what's happened to Slade, Jimmy Carter, flared troosers and lava lamps.

Slade are still on the go minus Noddy Holder.