Sevco zombie Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I've been watching the under 15 and 17 saints youth academy teams lately,there are some really good players there, hopefully some will make it through, has anybody else watched these teams play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevco zombie Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I should have added in do you think youth will be given a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I think youth is a long term project. Hopefully a couple of the boys out on loan just now will break through. I think the club strategy will be to let these younger boys progress for a couple of seasons out on loan so they aren't just thrown in at the deep end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) I should have added in do you think youth will be given a chanceIf and when they are good enough, yes. At the moment, other than Kane and to a lesser extent Thomson, we've no-one good enough to displace those in the squad - who, let's not forget have been in very good form. Kane and Thomson have been unlucky in that the players they need to displace (Cummins and O'Halloran) have been two of our best players this season. Caddis needs to move on now. He can no longer be considered a youngster and hasn't done enough to warrant another contract. Scott Brown I think will be a very good player in the future - hopefully for us. Don't know enough about the other lads on loan, but hopefully a couple of those will make the breakthrough. ETA - if in the next couple of years, Clark, Brown, Thomson, Kane and a couple of the others currently out on loan break through, then I would consider that a very good return on our investment in youth. Edited October 25, 2015 by jhq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Agree that Liam should move on for his own sake, but have repeatedly said he needed a run in the team not the occasional start and 15 minutes off the Bench, the same could happen to Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Agree that Liam should move on for his own sake, but have repeatedly said he needed a run in the team not the occasional start and 15 minutes off the Bench, the same could happen to Brown. I don't think Caddis has shown enough out on loan to deserve a run in place of one of our regular starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang toon saintie Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I don't think that we really can consider Caddis a young prospect anymore as he is now 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Whats that got to do with playing for Saints, how many off these players have scored at Parkhead, or taken a penalty in a European match, you can have all the stats you want its when you turn out on the day what counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 One goal at Parkhead and a pen in a shoot-out? He needs to show a lot more than that Sixties. He didn't set the heather alight when out on loan. It's not a case of "needing" a run in the first team - it's a case of "earning" it. Liam clearly hasn't done enough to to this at Saints and needs to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Have to agree to disagree on this one jhq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat McGroin Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Going out on loan is where these boys are supposed to stand out and make TW and his team take notice. By all accounts, Caddis hasn't done that at all. He's looked like an average Championship player in average Championship sides. In reality, that's probably what he is.He may improve with 3 or 4 seasons at lower levels and eventually be good enough for this level (eg Chris Millar) but we're at a level now where we can't be bedding them in and giving them those 100-150 games of experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.B:- Adz Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I think Caddis is one worth sticking with.... sixties saintee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Agree that Liam should move on for his own sake, but have repeatedly said he needed a run in the team not the occasional start and 15 minutes off the Bench, the same could happen to Brown. I think Liam has to move on. If he cant get into the team in midfield in front of a full back ,especially after a good 15 minutes the week before then he never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevco zombie Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Twentys have a good side but I'm more on about the 17s and 15s there are some very good players in those teams if you get the chance try and go watch them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasha Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Both 15 and 17s teams at home this Sunday pm v Montrose at McD Astro. Also 20s at home in the main stadium v Stranraer in the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Both 15 and 17s teams at home this Sunday pm v Montrose at McD Astro. Also 20s at home in the main stadium v Stranraer in the cup.Despite having 15 & 17s under the "Results " column on the O.S., no results have been shown.How did the 15 & 17s fare on Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasha Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Club Academy Scotland states that you cannot report scores for non-competitive games.U15s won v Montrose and the 17s game was called off due to players moving up to the 20s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Some of the kids on the bench Sunday looked as if they had been nicked from the Under 15's - the future is looking a lot rosier than it has for a few years. HOODLUM65 and David123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Indeed!I noticed a tweet from Perth Academy, saying that one of their 4th years played the full 90 minutes against Stranraer for our U20s on Saturday. 4th year at high school would be 14/15 I think, seeing as we're not quite into the new year yet. Apparently another one made an appearance in the match too. I looked a little bit further back, and another Perth Academy pupil (a 14 year old) made the bench against Hearts in our U20s win against them.I've had a couple of conversations with people at the club in the past about youth development and the focus has been on getting young players involved in the more 'senior' youth sides earlier. They also wanted a bigger presence of Perth kids in the team. Probably a good thing as I think we have missed out on these guys at a young age.Saints have spent a decent amount of money on youth development and facilities etc for them and it's great to hear good things about the u15 and u17 sides. Fingers crossed we can get some more players into the first team squad over the next few years, even make some more money on fees in the future. Certainly seems to be a few boys at the club (Hurst, Thomson etc) who are emerging as potential first team players and even more out on loan. HOODLUM65, Tranmere Saintee, Coltrane and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevco zombie Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 My lad signed this season for the 15s but has played four games for the 17s. Already, he's a local lad but was signed for Falkirk last 4 years, he's really enjoying it and it's great that young boys if good. Enough are. Getting the chance to go up a level ex-montrosesaintee, Abernethy Saint, Kyle and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.mcneil99 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 If and when they are good enough, yes. At the moment, other than Kane and to a lesser extent Thomson, we've no-one good enough to displace those in the squad - who, let's not forget have been in very good form. Kane and Thomson have been unlucky in that the players they need to displace (Cummins and O'Halloran) have been two of our best players this season. Caddis needs to move on now. He can no longer be considered a youngster and hasn't done enough to warrant another contract. Scott Brown I think will be a very good player in the future - hopefully for us. Don't know enough about the other lads on loan, but hopefully a couple of those will make the breakthrough. ETA - if in the next couple of years, Clark, Brown, Thomson, Kane and a couple of the others currently out on loan break through, then I would consider that a very good return on our investment in youth. Its been recently publicised that chelsea have a system where they loan players out, with the belief that they will be ready for the first team around the age of 24. I am in no way trying to liken tommy with mourinho, but it seems to be fairly clear he wont play youth for the sake of it, and needs to trust and feel the player is good enough. perhaps that is the way he is viewing things, in terms of when clark, thomson, brown, caddis, kane, hunter, mclaren and perhaps even puting brad mackay in this ( even though he is a senior player ) when they turn 24 we will see that mckay, anderson, mannus , macca, millar, muzz, craig, will be edging towards retirement age, and a mixture of 5-10 senior appearences with loan spells in the championship will see them primed and ready for the premiership and having had a lot of experience in being round the st johnstone camp. Its worth noting that germany decided in 2002 that something had to be done about the youth set up and are now starting to see the benefits, similar to spain back in the late 90's , we have been really focussing on this for about 3-4 years,, give it time and we will see the benefits. as for caddis, he needs one lst make or break loan move, surely he would be better playing in a successful team even at a lower level, i.e dunfermline, building confidence and showing what he can do, rather than sending him to alloa, dumbarton morton ect where they will be up against it in most games. Coltrane and HOODLUM65 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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